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Kotaku: TOR Looks As Interesting As a Naboo Trade Blockade
Verterdegete
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"""All standard fare for an MMO. And for MMO fans, they'll be appreciated. But for me, a massive Star Wars fan expecting a revolution, none of what I saw was very interesting, or representative of why I love that universe in the first place. Especially when the game's famously bombastic cinematic cutscenes (which even opened my demonstration) are so quickly followed by little but clicking, clicking then clicking some more."
Did this guy look into this game what so ever before GC?
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
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Normally i take reviews with a grain of salt, but this website isn't known for liking swtor. here is the first comment
Another Kotaku post bashing SWTOR. I don't think there has been a single positive post made about SWTOR on Kotaku. We get it Kotaku writers, you aren't avid MMO players.
Not my words obviously. Still you get reviewers, not everyone will like the game but kotaku isn't know for liking this game. for whatever their reasons. Not their first article bashing the game.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Why is it every single one of these negative articles is written by a NON MMO player? On top of that why do MMo gamers read them then repost them on an MMO oriented forum? How does such a view have any relevance to an MMO fan?
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
SW:TOR Graphics Evolution and Comparison
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How do you know hes not an mmo player?Because he didn't enjoy swtor?
I've been playing mmos daily for over 8 years and i aggree in lots of areas with Kotaku's review.It just happens that a lot of people don't share the same tastes as you maybe.That doesn't mean that we aren't mmo players.Or that we won't play swtor.But you obviously need to get off the hype wagon and actually accept that its not as perfect as you want it to be,it simply cant be and it will never be.This doesn't mean swtor is a bad game.But just be ready to accept people's negative opinions on some of its features..
I was commenting toward that comment quoted by Whilan, and mostly talking about the last linked trash on TOR article, when a few admitted non MMo players were trying and failing at MMO PVP. This also has the tone of a Non MMO player, and according to that quote, it's the norm over there.
I mean the guy obviously did no research on this game what so ever, "expecting a revolution". Where's the journalistic value in that? That's like a food critic going to Mcdonalds for the first time expecting bacon wrapped Filet Mignon. While reviewing based on that expectation. Pure garbage if you ask me. I could care less what his view is, but if it's an uninformed one there's no value in that at all.
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
SW:TOR Graphics Evolution and Comparison
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I checked out that website again and after reading the name of the "author" I didn't even bother looking at the rest of the page. The fact is that particular person is on my "short list". That list is made up of people that have outright lied about features in a game OR admitted to not liking a certain genre, but still writing a review anyways. So, he gets ignored, in this case because he previously said he doesn't like MMOs in general (or it might have been he was a FPS only type play, it was a while ago). The website itself gets ignored though because of the multitude of times that have outright lied about proveable feature on several different games, not just SWTOR.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
Hoping everyone actually took the time to read the story...
"The screen was cluttered with a sea of icons, buttons and meters that make no sense to the interested bystander." Bogus statement.
"But for me, a massive Star Wars fan expecting a revolution, none of what I saw was very interesting, or representative of why I love that universe in the first place." Maybe he could expand on that statement...
"These are features that, if you're used to this kind of thing, will be of worth looking into." Another ridiculous statement.
We'll all see how he follows up "I'll be getting some hands-on time with the game tomorrow; given my prior love for all parties involved I can hopefully end my Old Republic Gamescom experience on a more optimistic note."
And until he plays, I don't really care...
The vast majority of folks rabidly defending this game havent played it, we should apply this sentiment across the board.
What i say is take a look at the game yourself, decide if you want to play that type of game. Theres enough videos of the game to get a good idea of what the game is like. Then you take quotes from devs to get a better idea.
Really reviews are only useful after the game has released. This is the point where i feel the game is ready to be judged, not 5 months later, not 2 monts before release, but right at release. This is the product they are giving you, thats what they should be judged on.
I'll take any review thats done their research and played the game enough time to get a feel for the game (maybe a week? i dunno what would be the right amount of time to hit all the areas.). Once they have enough time to play the game and get a feel for how it plays and have done their reserach on what the game does and does not do. THen they can write a review that is well informed and based on facts and not just conjecture or videos they saw while they watched someone else play.
Before that happens you take every review, positive, negative, and neutral with a grain of salt, and look at the game yourself.
Help me Bioware, you're my only hope.
Is ToR going to be good? Dude it's Bioware making a freaking star wars game, all signs point to awesome. -G4tv MMo report.
Actually, the majority of people defending this game do so on the grounds of false information OR talk about the multitude of good reviews the game gets from people who HAVE played the game. Trusting someone to review a game that hasn't even played it is like trusting the performance rating on a car from someone that never even drove it around the block once. You will never catch ME doing it.
"If half of what you tell me is a lie, how can I believe any of it?"
ROFl defending the game, what did I say that remotely defended TOR? please reply to my second post and tell me how I am defending TOR, please.
Second if you can show me an article written with prudence without BS expectations a person could lay to waste with just a tiny bit of research on the game, I'll most likley agree with the criticisms they have to say about TOR. I'm sure I'll never hear from you on this again though.
To SB fans, please stop making our demographic look bad.Stop invading threads that have nothing to do with sandboxes.
SW:TOR Graphics Evolution and Comparison
SW:TOR Compare MMO Quests, Combat and More...
How many times has Kotaku been wrong with their shilled reviews?
Almost every time
Wake me when someone with actual credibility and without an agenda against TOR writes something interesting.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
I would say that anyone who has not actually played the game should probably shut up about how fun it LOOKS.
A lot of things don't LOOK anywhere near as fun as they are.
100%
I knew it was only a matter of time when I saw this a couple of days ago on the official forums that someone would post that here. Most people following the game don't give a rats behind what that site says. They have hated the game since the beginning and their articles are not anything more than non-professional rants.
There Is Always Hope!
"All standard fare for an MMO. And for MMO fans, they'll be appreciated. But for me, a massiveStar Wars fan expecting a revolution"
Pretty much states he isn't an MMO fan. If your not a fan of MMO's, you're not an MMO player.
May not be
And for those that are defending the game that have played it? What then?
They ofc have a more valid opinion and will be taken more seriously
I have not "played" the game /wink
Very little of the game is instanced really, you get instances for some class specific quests in towns, and normally one to two instances per zone you are leveling it, one being a group phase the other being a solo phase. They are actually pretty nice, one of the things that pisses me off the most about leveling in most MMOS is when you have a line of 10 people waiting to kill a single quest mob to advance in a zone, the short 5 minute instances fixes that problem relatively seamlessly. You really only notice the instances when you want to do one of the group ones (some of which you can solo if you have pro companion skills) or when you accidently try to go into another classes instance and it locks you out.
High end PC's don't really have a lot of lag problems unless the issue was with some certain aspect of highend PCs like SLI or Crossfire. MY PC is basically a beast running the game on the highest settings with max AA @ 60 fps and I never had FPS drop issues. My PC isn't SLI or crossfire though, so maybe it was a problem there.
I like the game a lot, pre-ordered it, want to play it when it goes live. However, I feel like D3 is gonna come out pretty close to the same time and simply slaughter it.
Also the PvP is pretty terrible unless you play a Bounty Hunter or a Sith Inquisitor. Those two classes can 100-0 any melee without ever being touched if they know how to play. That said, the BG's in the game are actually pretty cool, you have a version of capture the flag where you run a ball around, but it is better than most capture the flag as you can throw the ball to teammates but when you have it you are slowed by 50% so the best strat is to have a few people running it in a line constantly throwing it, but if the other team is good they can intercept it if you fuck up a little.
Then there is a node control map where you control three large cannons that shoot down the other teams ship over time, basically just hold nodes to win but the map design is pretty cool.
Then there is an objective based map where you have to get through different stages by spending some time at certain objects, the defenders just have to stop you from interacting with them for 5+seconds. That one is ok except that casters lock that shit down while melee are 100% worthless, that pretty much applies to most of the PvP right now though. It doesn't make sense, they gave all the stuns, snares, and CC to the ranged and basically none to the melee.
In the name of demonstrating your critical open minded approach to this game though, can I ask what criticisms of it you have seen that you HAVE agreed with?
I'm not going to get into what I think of Kotaku, but I am going to bring something up that I think is fairly relavant into a lot of previews that I'm reading.....
Where are people getting the idea that SWTOR is going to revolutionize the genre? I know Dr. Ray says that, but I think we're all smart enough to realize it for marketing speak, and since we've been around the block, we realize that to revolutionize the genre doesnt mean you have to break the mold and start fresh.
A game like WoW revolutionized the MMO-genre, but if you look at it, it took so many features from previous games. This wasnt some quantum leap forward in combat or anything, but it did take existing features from other games, polish them, put a Blizzard twist on them, and make them appealing to a much broader market than any other MMO had done to date.
Personally, I believe the story (and god we've heard it enough...) can have a very similar impact. I'm not saying it's going to make everything all new, I'm saying it may be enough to have an impact. The UI, the dungeons, the combat, other than a few small changes (remember, just like WoW did) are enough to personalize the game, and the big focus (story) is where the innovation lies.
The absolutely false standard that it appears some previewers are taking, is that not every feature is new and different. Their approach is that if it isnt a complete and total difference from past MMO's, than it's just stale. Hate saying it, but I remember fans asking "what's so new and good about WoW?" before they got their hands on it.
That something has to be entirely different is really a false standard, and really seems a silly one to try and hold a game to. I'll give GW2 some props for trying to be more different than the rest, but we'll also have to see if they hit their ambitious goals as well. The bottom line is folks are going to like what they like, and dislike what they dislike, but honestly they kind of make themselves sound silly when their best argument is "well it isnt 100% new, so we've seen it before and nobody will like it." I'm sure most of them (and they'd never admit it now) said much the same things about a game like WoW when they were playing EQ, and oh...how things have changed.
Well...in this case...maybe not as much as we'd have thought.
Where are people getting the idea that SWTOR is going to revolutionize the genre?
Bioware keeps saying that the game is revolutionary and will forever change MMO's.