Wow isnt going anywhere! Sure its bound to lose a few million subs to the likes of Rift, SWToR, GW2, TSW, AA and any other MMO coming out in the forseable future. With that being said they will be just fine. Hell if my game of choice Asherons Call is still plugging along with several thousand accounts and making Turbine money then theres no reason to believe that WoW is dieing, but the genre is gaining competition.
I too will not be playing SWToR or any other WoW clone in the future because I prefer a much older mature crowd that usually plays the sandparkish style of MMO's. I jsut hope GW2 or TSW has enough sandbox elements to tide me over til la new AAA developer comes along and makes a Asherons Call virtual successor.
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I hope they don't leave WoW for SWTOR. I'd like for SWTOR's community to NOT be a cesspool.
Dark times are ahead for SWToR. Great disturbance in the qq I do sense. Begun the qq wars
Going by the official SWTOR forums, I think it's too late for that, Goatgod.
So I have heard. Guess I'll just cancel my pre-order and wait a few months and see what happens after release. Seems EVERY community is getting tarnished. Sigh.....
The community has already been contanimated many a month ago. When I was following SWTOR closely and was pyched about the game I realized that the community will be WoW's baby lil brother from the official forums and hanged up the game. Plus you have the SW fan boys thrown into the mix also. SWTOR will prolly be #2 worst community which I doubt anyone can have a worse comunity than WoW.
I'm contrarian on this one. I believe that SW:TORs release will *IMPROVE* WoW's community.
$%^& flows down-hill. The more problems that leave WoW for SW:TOR the fewer problems WoW will have. Dedicated WoW players (adults) aren't going to leave their home because of a new game. They haven't yet, and if Cata didn't drive them off then certainly nothing is going to.
Frankly this could be very good for WoW.
Now if we could just convince them to stop nerfing the stuffins out of our PVE toons, we'd be all set.
The problem with your theory is that SWTor is a true RPG, with decisions that change the world and the way the story folds to your character. It has loads of conversations that require answers since they shape your reputations. It would be much much more complex to play than WoW, especially to players wich are not native english speakers, this representes a great ammount of wow players.
In my point of view, the "kids", the elitist and most of the morons who only see "EPIC LOOTZ" and "RAIDZZZ TONIGHTZZ" wont have the patience to invest on SWTor, and this are the ones who will remain on WoW, not the adult, casual, RPG gamer. Unfortunately from where I see it, the "shi*" is whats gonna remain mainly in wow, with exceptions ofc.
WoW as indeed peaked, and I dont expect anything new to come from that side, and neither does Blizzard im afraid, their best writers/programmers are already working on the Titan project, and I think that shows alot...
The kids will leave WoW for SWTOR because
1. It's the hottest newest thing
2. Raiding is a focus point
3. It's SW..... Darth Vader, Storm Troopers, and Boba Fett alone willl have the kids in drones coming in.
4. These kids have nothing to do but play games so patience ins't a deterrent
5. Better appealing graphics
The mature adult crowd are the ones that remain in WoW as they are sticking it out there and aren't easilly persuaded from their game.
Kids don't like to read and/or listen to older people talk.
They are going to flock to TOR and then leave because the leveling isn't fast enough and they have to spend so much time listening to story dialogue.
Hurray!
I actually think YOU are the one right here. And....it's made me really want to play SWTOR more now that I've considered what you just said. I think you're right. I think the little kiddies won't have the patience for this game, WHICH.....would make it a better gaming experience for me (and you)....at least hopefully.
Kids don't like to read and/or listen to older people talk.
They are going to flock to TOR and then leave because the leveling isn't fast enough and they have to spend so much time listening to story dialogue.
Hurray!
I actually think YOU are the one right here. And....it's made me really want to play SWTOR more now that I've considered what you just said. I think you're right. I think the little kiddies won't have the patience for this game, WHICH.....would make it a better gaming experience for me (and you)....at least hopefully.
i am not so sure about that.. after all, have you actually seen spongebob squarepants.. i mean come on.. i've seen kids sit and watch those back to back for hours.. watching the dialogue in sw;tor should be a breeze by comparison..
Kids don't like to read and/or listen to older people talk.
They are going to flock to TOR and then leave because the leveling isn't fast enough and they have to spend so much time listening to story dialogue.
Hurray!
I wish so much this would/will be true... I've always wanted a server in a MMORPG that would have age restriction for under 20 or upt to under 25 years old, to not be able to enter. I dont know how it would be possible to make but I'd like to play one MMORPG where I can have universal chat channels etc open without having to witness the kiddo bickering and "my dad is better than your dad" crap 99% of the time. Sure older people can be "overgrown teenagers" in games too but at least it would be less of that.
Kids don't like to read and/or listen to older people talk.
They are going to flock to TOR and then leave because the leveling isn't fast enough and they have to spend so much time listening to story dialogue.
Hurray!
too bad someone will make an addon/program that will auto click the path you want (dark side, light side, badass, goodiegoodie, etc) while the dialog is happening and let the kids go get a snack or whine to mom and dad for more allowance while the program does the "hard" part for them/sigh
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Originally posted by UnleadedRev I have been reading on various websites all the recent updates and changes to WoW, the latest being removing the threat issue for Tanks, which I read on the "TenTonHammer" gaming website. It seems ever since SWTOR went pre-order there has been a flood of updates, content, changes etc etc from WoW. I guess it makes sense to pull out the stops with the sales numbers SWTOR is showing and of course its Star Wars. I am beginning to feel that even though WoW is fantasy and SWTOR is Sci-Fi, that the old age debate of Fantasy Players not leavign WoW for a Sci-Fi MMO is a mute point. What do you think?
I do agree that we see a lot of crappy patches and weird decisions. But that must be due to the fact that Blizz moved its best devs to Titan project and left the other guys (who are not so good obviously) to run WoW. Also I believe Blizz expect Titan to be smashing success and slowly abandoning WoW in favor of their new MMO.
I have been reading on various websites all the recent updates and changes to WoW, the latest being removing the threat issue for Tanks, which I read on the "TenTonHammer" gaming website. It seems ever since SWTOR went pre-order there has been a flood of updates, content, changes etc etc from WoW. I guess it makes sense to pull out the stops with the sales numbers SWTOR is showing and of course its Star Wars.
I am beginning to feel that even though WoW is fantasy and SWTOR is Sci-Fi, that the old age debate of Fantasy Players not leavign WoW for a Sci-Fi MMO is a mute point.
What do you think?
Well I know players are desperate for something of quality thats new and exciting. Swtor is probably going to be a prime alternative plus its not the same old fantasy stuff.
And if you're still hungry for more fantasy GW2 is coming that looks AAA as well.
So its a double threat and I figure they are probably feeling it. Not as much as they probably will be though.
Well, I don't think Blizzard is getting desperate, it's more like they are wanting to maximize profits without doing a bunch of work. They are just maintaining WoW until Titan comes out.
They have lost 900k subs since the release of Cataclysm (could be more at this point), and they are rushing through this expansion (Deathwing raid will be out before the end of the year). So it's obvious they didn't like the way things were going with the xpack, so they are going to push to end it, and start a new focus with the next xpack.
Also consider that with their new Transmogrification system (which is just a fancy costume system that is also a gold sink), they made every single old raid that is just sitting there useless, actual content again. You will have people who will run the old raids for the old tier sets so they can make their characters look the way they want. Again, Blizzard isn't adding actual new content, just making old content more relevant.
Finally, WoW is just old know. It turns 7 this November. I feel it's finally reached a point that no matter what Blizzard does for WoW that it's now on the downslope. It reached peak sub numbers right at the release of Cataclysm, and has only gone down since that point. The game won't die, and we all know this. Hell, even it if lost 1 million subs per year, it would still continue to be the most populated game for a number of years (since those lost subs most likely all won't go to the same singular game). WoW will be in a holding pattern of providing just enough content to make it seem like they still have a focus on WoW until Titan is released.
I guess the true question is, when will Blizzard officially announce what Titan is and start the hype train. Hell, Blizzard could even add in their own Hall of Monuments type of thing and make a bunch of the achievements require the lastest xpack content, and people would complete those for whatever rewards available in Titan.
(IMO) SW:ToR will ultimatley be the last blow for WoW. After that, it's not going to get any better. WoW is dying.
Blizzard could try changing the model to free-to-play but it won't do them much good at all. If Blizzard where wise they would start up a new game and call it WoWII or, even better, World of Starcraft.
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i disagree..going f2p for wow would bring in even more people than what you think..and atleast for the 1st part of the f2p year i think they would bring in boat loads of cash from cash shops..imo i think f2p would help them out alot more than what people think
Personaly I think Blizzard is losing it's magic. Too wrapped up in corporate greed putting their best thinking into ways of raking in $ rather then fun and inovative game play.
Same old.. same old... wrapped up in a nice new shiny package for 3 times the price
anyways, as far as Blizzard getting "desperate" thats ree donk you luss. They lost 900k from Cata, safe to say a 3rd of those players if not half or more returned to check out Firelands, out of those folks some stayed and some went. Its the facts of life for any and all MMOs.
Will SWtoR affect WoW's subscriber base? you bet, so will my little pony online but that doesnt mean WoW is dead or...desperate. Blizzard has time and again posted update after update after update to enhance their players game lifestyle, those things the OP mentioned while something they've been working on for a while is nothing to stay that they are desperate. So who cares if they lose half their subscriber base... 6million subs is nothing to laugh about. Posts like this is dumb. While I havent played WoW in over a year and having a bit of information regarding the new SWtoR that everyone is just praising the force about, some of you are going to be very very very disappointed. The game does not deviate so far from the mother tree (World of Warcraft is SWtoR's Teldrasil) that its going to blow big momma away. The questing and cutscenes and voice acting will surely blow a players mind, but everything else in the game is .... WoW
The people that makes this kind of threads remind me of my ex.
Everytime she was in "those days" she would whine, complain and announce that the world was over and our relationship was coming to an end, then whenever the shitstorm passed, she would forget all about it.
The next month, as her next few days approached, the doomsaying began all over again.
I'm thinking that Blizzard isn't 'desperate' about anything,because they've made billions of dollars on WoW making it a wild unfathomable success.If anything,they're adapting to the market.
Even if i grow up with Star Wars i will never play new Star Wars mmo it is really simple for it is per the 3 1st movie of Star Wars saga.
Sure people will buy the new Star Wars MMO but in the end i think most people will leave it for if the are to easy to get end game and company dont push out end game content people will get bored after few month and go back to there old MMO again.
Also this biowars 1st MMO game every so dont expect a smooth ride in start other but i guess time will tell if new Star Wars will be WoW killer or not i dont think so.
Originally posted by tochicool If Blizzard where wise they would start up a new game and call it WoWII or, even better, World of Starcraft.
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You do know that Blizzard is already work on new mmo and the been do for while it go under code name Titan maybe you check fact/info before you post thing like this mate
I have been reading on various websites all the recent updates and changes to WoW, the latest being removing the threat issue for Tanks, which I read on the "TenTonHammer" gaming website. It seems ever since SWTOR went pre-order there has been a flood of updates, content, changes etc etc from WoW. I guess it makes sense to pull out the stops with the sales numbers SWTOR is showing and of course its Star Wars.
I am beginning to feel that even though WoW is fantasy and SWTOR is Sci-Fi, that the old age debate of Fantasy Players not leavign WoW for a Sci-Fi MMO is a mute point.
What do you think?
Blizzard lost most of the best people in the last 6 years. The people that made Blizzard great are not working for them anymore.
Instead they work of ArenaNet, Carbine. Runicgames, Trion, and many other studios. I cant wait to see Blizz fail, tho is gona take some time. They still gona make dumb down mmorpgers, and people will fall for it, but with quality competition, things wont be easier for Blizz.
I was a huge Blizzard fan since, Warcraft I, in 2005 Blizzard died for me, Same with Bioware when they sold to EA. The last good game Bioware developed was KOTOR 1. ME 1 wasnt bad either, but unfinished.
The game is 6 years old. The fact that every PoS doesn't make them worried is just a tribute to the depth of game they have created.
WoW isn't going to just suddently die no matter how good SWTOR is or GW2 .. at some point it may fade to the point where they have to close it, but taking UO as an example .. it won't be anytime soon, and like any good company they will continue to try and keep it relevant to players.
This time of year is always packed with news and changes as they prepare for Blizzcon.
These forums are so hilarious for their incessantly contradictory posts. In one forum you have Rift fanbois saying Rift is better than WoW because it has content patches every other day and in another you have SW:TOR fanbois saying WoW is desperately trying to pack in a bunch of content because they are afraid od SW:TOR. It's depressing to read this much stoopid.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
What I foresee, is that the SWToR community will be flocked by adults that complain about kids, while acting like kids themselves.
Just look at this thread for example, it's filled with so much garbage and useless bashing which does nobody any good. I, personally, do not have a problem with the community of WoW, Rift or WAR. What I do find a bit annoying, is the fact that people slater the community of these games as "bad", which does what to help it? Absolutely nothing.
The game is 6 years old. The fact that every PoS doesn't make them worried is just a tribute to the depth of game they have created.
WoW isn't going to just suddently die no matter how good SWTOR is or GW2 .. at some point it may fade to the point where they have to close it, but taking UO as an example .. it won't be anytime soon, and like any good company they will continue to try and keep it relevant to players.
This time of year is always packed with news and changes as they prepare for Blizzcon.
These forums are so hilarious for their incessantly contradictory posts. In one forum you have Rift fanbois saying Rift is better than WoW because it has content patches every other day and in another you have SW:TOR fanbois saying WoW is desperately trying to pack in a bunch of content because they are afraid od SW:TOR. It's depressing to read this much stoopid.
It is kind of crazy... so many seem to think that in order to be a success they must beat WoW... when really they only need to achieve a fraction of WoW's numbers in order to be considered a success... chances are, the WoW phenomena will never happen again... but .... it is kind of amusing.. all these various X game kills WoW kind of thing.. and i enjoy a good laugh as much as anyone
i think the reason that WOW is slowly deing isnt bc off the game (wow itself is pretty good for a fantasy game) but the community, you cant join raids if u dont have the right equipment and guess where u get that equipment, right the same raid u want to join, and also after the server hack by those chinese goldfarmers wow lost alot off there players
WoW? Blizzard is desperate. Without their subscribers they won't be able to own a castle and 20 cars. It's all about the money mate, atleast with Blizzard.
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Wow isnt going anywhere! Sure its bound to lose a few million subs to the likes of Rift, SWToR, GW2, TSW, AA and any other MMO coming out in the forseable future. With that being said they will be just fine. Hell if my game of choice Asherons Call is still plugging along with several thousand accounts and making Turbine money then theres no reason to believe that WoW is dieing, but the genre is gaining competition.
I too will not be playing SWToR or any other WoW clone in the future because I prefer a much older mature crowd that usually plays the sandparkish style of MMO's. I jsut hope GW2 or TSW has enough sandbox elements to tide me over til la new AAA developer comes along and makes a Asherons Call virtual successor.
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The community has already been contanimated many a month ago. When I was following SWTOR closely and was pyched about the game I realized that the community will be WoW's baby lil brother from the official forums and hanged up the game. Plus you have the SW fan boys thrown into the mix also. SWTOR will prolly be #2 worst community which I doubt anyone can have a worse comunity than WoW.
The kids will leave WoW for SWTOR because
1. It's the hottest newest thing
2. Raiding is a focus point
3. It's SW..... Darth Vader, Storm Troopers, and Boba Fett alone willl have the kids in drones coming in.
4. These kids have nothing to do but play games so patience ins't a deterrent
5. Better appealing graphics
The mature adult crowd are the ones that remain in WoW as they are sticking it out there and aren't easilly persuaded from their game.
Kids don't like to read and/or listen to older people talk.
They are going to flock to TOR and then leave because the leveling isn't fast enough and they have to spend so much time listening to story dialogue.
Hurray!
I actually think YOU are the one right here. And....it's made me really want to play SWTOR more now that I've considered what you just said. I think you're right. I think the little kiddies won't have the patience for this game, WHICH.....would make it a better gaming experience for me (and you)....at least hopefully.
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i am not so sure about that.. after all, have you actually seen spongebob squarepants.. i mean come on.. i've seen kids sit and watch those back to back for hours.. watching the dialogue in sw;tor should be a breeze by comparison..
I wish so much this would/will be true... I've always wanted a server in a MMORPG that would have age restriction for under 20 or upt to under 25 years old, to not be able to enter. I dont know how it would be possible to make but I'd like to play one MMORPG where I can have universal chat channels etc open without having to witness the kiddo bickering and "my dad is better than your dad" crap 99% of the time. Sure older people can be "overgrown teenagers" in games too but at least it would be less of that.
too bad someone will make an addon/program that will auto click the path you want (dark side, light side, badass, goodiegoodie, etc) while the dialog is happening and let the kids go get a snack or whine to mom and dad for more allowance while the program does the "hard" part for them/sigh
Well I know players are desperate for something of quality thats new and exciting. Swtor is probably going to be a prime alternative plus its not the same old fantasy stuff.
And if you're still hungry for more fantasy GW2 is coming that looks AAA as well.
So its a double threat and I figure they are probably feeling it. Not as much as they probably will be though.
Well, I don't think Blizzard is getting desperate, it's more like they are wanting to maximize profits without doing a bunch of work. They are just maintaining WoW until Titan comes out.
They have lost 900k subs since the release of Cataclysm (could be more at this point), and they are rushing through this expansion (Deathwing raid will be out before the end of the year). So it's obvious they didn't like the way things were going with the xpack, so they are going to push to end it, and start a new focus with the next xpack.
Also consider that with their new Transmogrification system (which is just a fancy costume system that is also a gold sink), they made every single old raid that is just sitting there useless, actual content again. You will have people who will run the old raids for the old tier sets so they can make their characters look the way they want. Again, Blizzard isn't adding actual new content, just making old content more relevant.
Finally, WoW is just old know. It turns 7 this November. I feel it's finally reached a point that no matter what Blizzard does for WoW that it's now on the downslope. It reached peak sub numbers right at the release of Cataclysm, and has only gone down since that point. The game won't die, and we all know this. Hell, even it if lost 1 million subs per year, it would still continue to be the most populated game for a number of years (since those lost subs most likely all won't go to the same singular game). WoW will be in a holding pattern of providing just enough content to make it seem like they still have a focus on WoW until Titan is released.
I guess the true question is, when will Blizzard officially announce what Titan is and start the hype train. Hell, Blizzard could even add in their own Hall of Monuments type of thing and make a bunch of the achievements require the lastest xpack content, and people would complete those for whatever rewards available in Titan.
i disagree..going f2p for wow would bring in even more people than what you think..and atleast for the 1st part of the f2p year i think they would bring in boat loads of cash from cash shops..imo i think f2p would help them out alot more than what people think
Personaly I think Blizzard is losing it's magic. Too wrapped up in corporate greed putting their best thinking into ways of raking in $ rather then fun and inovative game play.
Same old.. same old... wrapped up in a nice new shiny package for 3 times the price
here's looking at you Starcraft
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This is my first post here (cheers me)
anyways, as far as Blizzard getting "desperate" thats ree donk you luss. They lost 900k from Cata, safe to say a 3rd of those players if not half or more returned to check out Firelands, out of those folks some stayed and some went. Its the facts of life for any and all MMOs.
Will SWtoR affect WoW's subscriber base? you bet, so will my little pony online but that doesnt mean WoW is dead or...desperate. Blizzard has time and again posted update after update after update to enhance their players game lifestyle, those things the OP mentioned while something they've been working on for a while is nothing to stay that they are desperate. So who cares if they lose half their subscriber base... 6million subs is nothing to laugh about. Posts like this is dumb. While I havent played WoW in over a year and having a bit of information regarding the new SWtoR that everyone is just praising the force about, some of you are going to be very very very disappointed. The game does not deviate so far from the mother tree (World of Warcraft is SWtoR's Teldrasil) that its going to blow big momma away. The questing and cutscenes and voice acting will surely blow a players mind, but everything else in the game is .... WoW
The people that makes this kind of threads remind me of my ex.
Everytime she was in "those days" she would whine, complain and announce that the world was over and our relationship was coming to an end, then whenever the shitstorm passed, she would forget all about it.
The next month, as her next few days approached, the doomsaying began all over again.
Rawr.
Even if i grow up with Star Wars i will never play new Star Wars mmo it is really simple for it is per the 3 1st movie of Star Wars saga.
Sure people will buy the new Star Wars MMO but in the end i think most people will leave it for if the are to easy to get end game and company dont push out end game content people will get bored after few month and go back to there old MMO again.
Also this biowars 1st MMO game every so dont expect a smooth ride in start other but i guess time will tell if new Star Wars will be WoW killer or not i dont think so.
You do know that Blizzard is already work on new mmo and the been do for while it go under code name Titan maybe you check fact/info before you post thing like this mate
http://www.blizzmmo.com/topic/48-blizzards-titan-and-ensembles-cancelled-titan/
http://www.blizzmmo.com/topic/58-blizzards-titan-heavily-focused-on-the-social-aspect/
Blizzard lost most of the best people in the last 6 years. The people that made Blizzard great are not working for them anymore.
Instead they work of ArenaNet, Carbine. Runicgames, Trion, and many other studios. I cant wait to see Blizz fail, tho is gona take some time. They still gona make dumb down mmorpgers, and people will fall for it, but with quality competition, things wont be easier for Blizz.
I was a huge Blizzard fan since, Warcraft I, in 2005 Blizzard died for me, Same with Bioware when they sold to EA. The last good game Bioware developed was KOTOR 1. ME 1 wasnt bad either, but unfinished.
The game is 6 years old. The fact that every PoS doesn't make them worried is just a tribute to the depth of game they have created.
WoW isn't going to just suddently die no matter how good SWTOR is or GW2 .. at some point it may fade to the point where they have to close it, but taking UO as an example .. it won't be anytime soon, and like any good company they will continue to try and keep it relevant to players.
This time of year is always packed with news and changes as they prepare for Blizzcon.
These forums are so hilarious for their incessantly contradictory posts. In one forum you have Rift fanbois saying Rift is better than WoW because it has content patches every other day and in another you have SW:TOR fanbois saying WoW is desperately trying to pack in a bunch of content because they are afraid od SW:TOR. It's depressing to read this much stoopid.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
What I foresee, is that the SWToR community will be flocked by adults that complain about kids, while acting like kids themselves.
Just look at this thread for example, it's filled with so much garbage and useless bashing which does nobody any good. I, personally, do not have a problem with the community of WoW, Rift or WAR. What I do find a bit annoying, is the fact that people slater the community of these games as "bad", which does what to help it? Absolutely nothing.
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It is kind of crazy... so many seem to think that in order to be a success they must beat WoW... when really they only need to achieve a fraction of WoW's numbers in order to be considered a success... chances are, the WoW phenomena will never happen again... but .... it is kind of amusing.. all these various X game kills WoW kind of thing.. and i enjoy a good laugh as much as anyone
If WoW loses 6million players, it will left only chinese players with their WoTLK expansion
i think the reason that WOW is slowly deing isnt bc off the game (wow itself is pretty good for a fantasy game) but the community, you cant join raids if u dont have the right equipment and guess where u get that equipment, right the same raid u want to join, and also after the server hack by those chinese goldfarmers wow lost alot off there players
WoW? Blizzard is desperate. Without their subscribers they won't be able to own a castle and 20 cars. It's all about the money mate, atleast with Blizzard.