The game is 6 years old. The fact that every PoS doesn't make them worried is just a tribute to the depth of game they have created.
WoW isn't going to just suddently die no matter how good SWTOR is or GW2 .. at some point it may fade to the point where they have to close it, but taking UO as an example .. it won't be anytime soon, and like any good company they will continue to try and keep it relevant to players.
This time of year is always packed with news and changes as they prepare for Blizzcon.
These forums are so hilarious for their incessantly contradictory posts. In one forum you have Rift fanbois saying Rift is better than WoW because it has content patches every other day and in another you have SW:TOR fanbois saying WoW is desperately trying to pack in a bunch of content because they are afraid od SW:TOR. It's depressing to read this much stoopid.
dont forget the wow-fanbois saying rift will die within a year and tor will fail
are those the wow fanbois..... i thought wow was almost universally hated here
having said that.. arent those games (rift and sw;tor) both types of games that wow players would love to play? its a bit like saying.. League of Legends players are claiming Defence of the Ancients is going to fail.. and Defence of the Ancients fans claiming that League of Legends is going to fail once their game gets going.. oh wait..their the same people...
WoW has 11 Million active players, the chances are pretty good, that of the 1 million playing Rift, a significant proportion also play WoW.. same goes for SW;TOR.. all those pre-orders, i'd lay good odds that at least 50 percent of them are from WoW players (if Bioware throw in a free sparkly pony im sure the percentage would increase)
People who say the 'WoW phenom' will never happen again are... speaking out of turn. How do you know it won't happen again? Hell, nobody expected it to happen the first time.
It just takes an amazing game to do what Wow has done. We haven't seen any 'amazing games' launch for a while. A lot of games promise to be amazing (WAR and AoC), but when the smoke (and hype) clears after launch... the sobering fact is that they flopped.
WoW's needs captured about 60-70% of what I wanted in a game, personally. But really, that's still a failing grade. I played WoW because they had numbers. I could get in and do 'stuff', because there were others that wanted to do 'stuff'.
I expected WoW to do more of the little things quicker. Meaning, they really should've been more responsive much, much faster than they were.
If SW:TOR can somehow must the ability to hit the large targets and pull of the big things (the pilars that most people 'need' in MMO's) + hit many of the key 'little things', then they will have more than one of the most powerful IP's in their arsenal.. they will have a 'solid' hit on their hands.
Does SW:TOR need to be a WoW killer to be a success? No. But every 'successful' game that comes out will help to alter and re-shape what WoW currently is. And, over time, the old WoW will have died.. and the evolution of the game will present 'new WoW'.
And by the time we've seen a complete overhaul of WoW... Blizz's next major MMO title will be upon us.
I don't think that anyone having created a game as successful as WoW must ever be desperate about anything.
This -exactly.
WoW has made so much money over the past SEVEN (7) YEARS that whatever they get from it today is just icing on the cake. They are probably laughing on the way to the bank because of the millions of subscribers they still have. If they had a mere 350,000 subs, they would still be raking in money considering the age of this product.
So no - they are not desperate. They are just seeing how long they can milk this thing until their next big things come out to eclipse WoW.
I don't think that anyone having created a game as successful as WoW must ever be desperate about anything.
This -exactly.
WoW has made so much money over the past SEVEN (7) YEARS that whatever they get from it today is just icing on the cake. They are probably laughing on the way to the bank because of the millions of subscribers they still have. If they had a mere 350,000 subs, they would still be raking in money considering the age of this product.
So no - they are not desperate. They are just seeing how long they can milk this thing until their next big things come out to eclipse WoW.
Yeah.
- Box sales
- Subscription fee
- Gender Change
- Race Change
- Server Change
- Name Change
- Mount Sales
- Pet Sales
That is A LOt of money! They maybe even sell more stuff than that.
I don't think that anyone having created a game as successful as WoW must ever be desperate about anything.
This -exactly.
WoW has made so much money over the past SEVEN (7) YEARS that whatever they get from it today is just icing on the cake. They are probably laughing on the way to the bank because of the millions of subscribers they still have. If they had a mere 350,000 subs, they would still be raking in money considering the age of this product.
So no - they are not desperate. They are just seeing how long they can milk this thing until their next big things come out to eclipse WoW.
Yeah.
- Box sales
- Subscription fee
- Gender Change
- Race Change
- Server Change
- Name Change
- Mount Sales
- Pet Sales
That is A LOt of money! They maybe even sell more stuff than that.
Uh don't forget the Mangas, Comics, T shirts, Action figures, Boardgames, Cardgames, Novels, Artbooks and any other merchindising I'm forgetting.......
why does everyone says this game is going to kill wow... WOW is not going anywhere anytime soon... if uo/ac1/eq1 and im sure i missed even older games that still stick around without millions and millsions of players.. again wow is not dying..
If Titan turns out to be WoW 2 that would be sweet......otherwise, WoW is now mainly a game for the Asian and eastern europe markets, as the west is leaving it in droves.
Originally posted by UnleadedRev If Titan turns out to be WoW 2 that would be sweet......otherwise, WoW is now mainly a game for the Asian and eastern europe markets, as the west is leaving it in droves.
7% in 2 quarters for a game that is 6+ years old is so far from "droves" it's laughable. That is so far above average for MMOs in the past 10 years it's ridiculous .. but continue hating, and most of us will continue to laugh at you.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
i guess so, after WLK, blizzard updates it about every 2 months, 4.2 has been with us for nearly 2 months, now 4.3 is almost here!! it's lightning fast!!!!
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I hope they don't leave WoW for SWTOR. I'd like for SWTOR's community to NOT be a cesspool.
Dark times are ahead for SWToR. Great disturbance in the qq I do sense. Begun the qq wars have has
Frankly you look at the SWTOR forums and the community is as bad as or worse than WoW already. Anytime you have a big gaming community and give them a place to mouth off the scum will push everyone else out of the forum.
TOR will have all the advatages of being 100% wow clone and all the disadvantages too.
There are a lot of Wowsers making wowish demands on the game but there are many swgheads doing the same thing. The forums are crap now and I find myself significantly reducing my time on them.
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I think it's really funny that so many people blame the community for WoW's downfall. I think it's funny because Blizzavision has embraced and supported it via current game mechanics that allow and make things easier for these people. I think it's funny because Blizzavision already has rules and systems in place to clean up their forums, but they won't. It's funny because it's like ironic justice for their own actions and caused by their own lack of adequate and level handed moderation in and out of game. And the funniest part of all is that they do these things to ensure profits.
Some will call me a WoW/Blizzavision basher. Often used and over used term here. But, the real reason I'm anti Blizzavision is because of their current attitude, QA, and game directions. They are not the Blizzard I used to know and love. What they are now is not a company I buy products from.
I have been reading on various websites all the recent updates and changes to WoW, the latest being removing the threat issue for Tanks, which I read on the "TenTonHammer" gaming website. It seems ever since SWTOR went pre-order there has been a flood of updates, content, changes etc etc from WoW...
What do you think?
First; WoW is always updating content.
Second; Content changes take time and planning, any changes annouced now would have been in the works long before SWTOR went pre-order.
Third; In the long run competition is good and if SWTOR is successful then WoW will have to respond by making a better product.
Fourth; I am looking forward to SWTOR now that it is getting close to release. If you follow a game to early you get disappointed by the inevitable delays and things they think they are going to put in it but end up not being able to do at release.
Fifth; I am not into theme parks or sandbox's, I just want good games that do what they do well. I hope SWTOR does that.
(IMO) SW:ToR will ultimatley be the last blow for WoW. After that, it's not going to get any better. WoW is dying.
Blizzard could try changing the model to free-to-play but it won't do them much good at all. If Blizzard where wise they would start up a new game and call it WoWII or, even better, World of Starcraft.
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Even if blizzard looses few million players to swotor then it still will have many enough left to earn great deal of cash from it,dont missunderstand me I do not like wow only played it from release and canceled it 2 months later never came back,realy dislike wow.
(IMO) SW:ToR will ultimatley be the last blow for WoW. After that, it's not going to get any better. WoW is dying.
Blizzard could try changing the model to free-to-play but it won't do them much good at all. If Blizzard where wise they would start up a new game and call it WoWII or, even better, World of Starcraft.
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Even if blizzard looses few million players to swotor then it still will have many enough left to earn great deal of cash from it,dont missunderstand me I do not like wow only played it from release and canceled it 2 months later never came back,realy dislike wow.
Yes but I think that just like how WoW got momentum and grew into this MMO giant we see today, the drop in subs will come in a similar fashion.
And you can rest assured that "even if we lose a few million players we still have many left to earn cash from" is not how activision will see it. They will fight for every sub.
Yes but lately they have been changing things they said for years they wouldnt touch. Also rehashed dungeons and encounters isnt what I call updating content. I think WoW fans settled for so little and now they're like "wtf happened?"
Yes but lately they have been changing things they said for years they wouldnt touch. Also rehashed dungeons and encounters isnt what I call updating content. I think WoW fans settled for so little and now they're like "wtf happened?"
Cataclysm was all about updating old content. Not just old zones but old dungeons/raids as well.
As for changing their minds about doing things they said they wouldn't, this is a good thing, it means they are listening to what players want.
In the long run if SWTOR is successfully WoW will have to improve to keep up, competition is good. I just don't think that the current changes are due to the announcement of SWTOR pre-orders. Those changes would have to have been planned long before that for those things to be ready for 4.3 or anytime in the near future.
Yes but lately they have been changing things they said for years they wouldnt touch. Also rehashed dungeons and encounters isnt what I call updating content. I think WoW fans settled for so little and now they're like "wtf happened?"
Cataclysm was all about updating old content. Not just old zones but old dungeons/raids as well.
As for changing their minds about doing things they said they wouldn't, this is a good thing, it means they are listening to what players want.
In the long run if SWTOR is successfully WoW will have to improve to keep up, competition is good. I just don't think that the current changes are due to the announcement of SWTOR pre-orders. Those changes would have to have been planned long before that for those things to be ready for 4.3 or anytime in the near future.
Most likely we'll see blizz bring the big guns around SWtor launch. Competition is good idd.
I do not see blizzard as getting desperate. Wow keeps expanding worldwide such as their launch in brazil. Wow can be played in many languages with high quality voice overs, Till another game that can offer more than wow can worldwide, up to voice overs. I do not see wow going away any time soon. With Swtor on the way, they already limited themselves to a few countries on release, since the gameif fully voiced it will take tons of time to translate it well to different languages or go the cheap way and add subtitles for other languages.
Till then wow will remain up there. Its also a cultral thing now, its gonna be hard to get rid of wow. The bright side is there will be really good competition comming forth which will force blizzard to get off their arses and add some good quality stuff to keep wow players on wow.
If you think about the low, almost sub-human level of intelligence in WoW trade chat you can understand why a better game is no threat to WoW's popular appeal.
Till then wow will remain up there. Its also a cultral thing now, its gonna be hard to get rid of wow. The bright side is there will be really good competition coming forth which will force blizzard to get off their arses and add some good quality stuff to keep wow players on wow.
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are those the wow fanbois..... i thought wow was almost universally hated here
having said that.. arent those games (rift and sw;tor) both types of games that wow players would love to play? its a bit like saying.. League of Legends players are claiming Defence of the Ancients is going to fail.. and Defence of the Ancients fans claiming that League of Legends is going to fail once their game gets going.. oh wait..their the same people...
WoW has 11 Million active players, the chances are pretty good, that of the 1 million playing Rift, a significant proportion also play WoW.. same goes for SW;TOR.. all those pre-orders, i'd lay good odds that at least 50 percent of them are from WoW players
(if Bioware throw in a free sparkly pony im sure the percentage would increase
) 
People who say the 'WoW phenom' will never happen again are... speaking out of turn. How do you know it won't happen again? Hell, nobody expected it to happen the first time.
It just takes an amazing game to do what Wow has done. We haven't seen any 'amazing games' launch for a while. A lot of games promise to be amazing (WAR and AoC), but when the smoke (and hype) clears after launch... the sobering fact is that they flopped.
WoW's needs captured about 60-70% of what I wanted in a game, personally. But really, that's still a failing grade. I played WoW because they had numbers. I could get in and do 'stuff', because there were others that wanted to do 'stuff'.
I expected WoW to do more of the little things quicker. Meaning, they really should've been more responsive much, much faster than they were.
If SW:TOR can somehow must the ability to hit the large targets and pull of the big things (the pilars that most people 'need' in MMO's) + hit many of the key 'little things', then they will have more than one of the most powerful IP's in their arsenal.. they will have a 'solid' hit on their hands.
Does SW:TOR need to be a WoW killer to be a success? No. But every 'successful' game that comes out will help to alter and re-shape what WoW currently is. And, over time, the old WoW will have died.. and the evolution of the game will present 'new WoW'.
And by the time we've seen a complete overhaul of WoW... Blizz's next major MMO title will be upon us.
This -exactly.
WoW has made so much money over the past SEVEN (7) YEARS that whatever they get from it today is just icing on the cake. They are probably laughing on the way to the bank because of the millions of subscribers they still have. If they had a mere 350,000 subs, they would still be raking in money considering the age of this product.
So no - they are not desperate. They are just seeing how long they can milk this thing until their next big things come out to eclipse WoW.
Yeah.
- Box sales
- Subscription fee
- Gender Change
- Race Change
- Server Change
- Name Change
- Mount Sales
- Pet Sales
That is A LOt of money! They maybe even sell more stuff than that.
Uh don't forget the Mangas, Comics, T shirts, Action figures, Boardgames, Cardgames, Novels, Artbooks and any other merchindising I'm forgetting.......
Dem hibbies! Dey be wrong!
why does everyone says this game is going to kill wow... WOW is not going anywhere anytime soon... if uo/ac1/eq1 and im sure i missed even older games that still stick around without millions and millsions of players.. again wow is not dying..
p.s. i do not play wow or have for a few years.
imo.
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If Titan turns out to be WoW 2 that would be sweet......otherwise, WoW is now mainly a game for the Asian and eastern europe markets, as the west is leaving it in droves.
7% in 2 quarters for a game that is 6+ years old is so far from "droves" it's laughable. That is so far above average for MMOs in the past 10 years it's ridiculous .. but continue hating, and most of us will continue to laugh at you.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
i guess so, after WLK, blizzard updates it about every 2 months, 4.2 has been with us for nearly 2 months, now 4.3 is almost here!! it's lightning fast!!!!
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There are a lot of Wowsers making wowish demands on the game but there are many swgheads doing the same thing. The forums are crap now and I find myself significantly reducing my time on them.
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LacedOpium: "So the question that begs to be asked is, if you are not interested in the game mechanics that define the MMORPG genre, then why are you playing an MMORPG?"
I think it's really funny that so many people blame the community for WoW's downfall. I think it's funny because Blizzavision has embraced and supported it via current game mechanics that allow and make things easier for these people. I think it's funny because Blizzavision already has rules and systems in place to clean up their forums, but they won't. It's funny because it's like ironic justice for their own actions and caused by their own lack of adequate and level handed moderation in and out of game. And the funniest part of all is that they do these things to ensure profits.
Some will call me a WoW/Blizzavision basher. Often used and over used term here. But, the real reason I'm anti Blizzavision is because of their current attitude, QA, and game directions. They are not the Blizzard I used to know and love. What they are now is not a company I buy products from.
First; WoW is always updating content.
Second; Content changes take time and planning, any changes annouced now would have been in the works long before SWTOR went pre-order.
Third; In the long run competition is good and if SWTOR is successful then WoW will have to respond by making a better product.
Fourth; I am looking forward to SWTOR now that it is getting close to release. If you follow a game to early you get disappointed by the inevitable delays and things they think they are going to put in it but end up not being able to do at release.
Fifth; I am not into theme parks or sandbox's, I just want good games that do what they do well. I hope SWTOR does that.
Even if blizzard looses few million players to swotor then it still will have many enough left to earn great deal of cash from it,dont missunderstand me I do not like wow only played it from release and canceled it 2 months later never came back,realy dislike wow.
Yes but I think that just like how WoW got momentum and grew into this MMO giant we see today, the drop in subs will come in a similar fashion.
And you can rest assured that "even if we lose a few million players we still have many left to earn cash from" is not how activision will see it. They will fight for every sub.
@Johnie-Marz
"First; WoW is always updating content."
Yes but lately they have been changing things they said for years they wouldnt touch. Also rehashed dungeons and encounters isnt what I call updating content. I think WoW fans settled for so little and now they're like "wtf happened?"
Cataclysm was all about updating old content. Not just old zones but old dungeons/raids as well.
As for changing their minds about doing things they said they wouldn't, this is a good thing, it means they are listening to what players want.
In the long run if SWTOR is successfully WoW will have to improve to keep up, competition is good. I just don't think that the current changes are due to the announcement of SWTOR pre-orders. Those changes would have to have been planned long before that for those things to be ready for 4.3 or anytime in the near future.
Most likely we'll see blizz bring the big guns around SWtor launch. Competition is good idd.
I do not see blizzard as getting desperate. Wow keeps expanding worldwide such as their launch in brazil. Wow can be played in many languages with high quality voice overs, Till another game that can offer more than wow can worldwide, up to voice overs. I do not see wow going away any time soon. With Swtor on the way, they already limited themselves to a few countries on release, since the gameif fully voiced it will take tons of time to translate it well to different languages or go the cheap way and add subtitles for other languages.
Till then wow will remain up there. Its also a cultral thing now, its gonna be hard to get rid of wow. The bright side is there will be really good competition comming forth which will force blizzard to get off their arses and add some good quality stuff to keep wow players on wow.
If you think about the low, almost sub-human level of intelligence in WoW trade chat you can understand why a better game is no threat to WoW's popular appeal.
I'm not trolling, I play WoW.
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