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SWTOR you break my heart :(
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It's indeed sucky that same sex romances are not in the game.
I wonder why actually, because all recent BioWare games have had them (and they're a big exception in the general games market there).
It's not like the "controversy" (which is also absurd btw) has really stopped sales or ratings either.
Luckily some new dialogue / cutscenes, and thus romances, aren't extremely hard to add. I can definitely see it being added later on when enough people keep asking for them.
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May be EA will not allow it. I mean it is odd that blood and heinous acts are allowed but gay romance is taboo. Stupid if you ask me.
Have you seen any blood or henious acts in any of the trailer, stage footage or leaked beta clips?
Because i have not, i do not forsee the content and the atmoshpere of SWTOR to be more mature than WoW, in some cases i think it would be even a bit less "mature" due to its scifi theme.
Not exactly sure what you think you are going to be missing in a game that's going to grab a "Teen" rating. NPC romances seem kind of silly for an MMORPG to begin with. I suppose a lot of people are going to treat this game like a single player adventure. I hope it's worth playing in such a light, but that seems like only half the game to me.
On a differing note, hysterics like this over a video game does "your kind" no favors. You can't even come forward and identify what you are talking about, as if conjecture of your deeply wounded soul was all that was necessary. BioWare has been very kind and supportive for many members of their playerbase. This attitude of yours is rather ungrateful and fickle. "Thanks for Mass Effect and Dragon Age... OMG! BETRAYED!"
Look, this game is coming out shortly. If I was the game director at BioWare... get in a few more NPC romance options... meet the Holiday buying season deadline... it's a no brainer. But they will need to add new romances to the game in their expansions as well as add new material to keep the old flames relevant. I think you'll find that what you are looking for is going to come in time. If you can't demonstrate any patience, or ask for it better than you have so far, I think you might be better off not playing an online game, because real *anonymous* people might just be too brutal for you to handle.
Good luck with your future gaming search.
They allowed it in Mass Effect and Dragon Age.
It really isn't EA.
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Mass Effect was owned by Microsoft unless I am wrong and was Bioware already with EA when Dragon Age was developed ?
Both of them were M rated games, and EA capitalized on that, have you seen the Dragon Age trailers? Blood Gore and Behadings... the marketing department went nuts on that just as they did with Dead Space and that Devine Comedy game...
But SWTOR is a Teen rated game, and they need all the teenage, and bearly teenage cash cows they can get to compete with WoW, so if they even tought there was a slight chance it would prevent them from getting that rating its a no brainer.
I read an interview with a dev the other day stating that haven't added guild banks in yet. You want to complain about a feature being absent, pick something worthwhile. While I support your opinion that if there are straight RA's there should be gay ones also, I simply think there are more important things to be done in a limited amount of time, in fact there were from the begining and resources spent on mechanics/gameplay imo are of better use. I just don't see myself continueing to play a flawed mmo because it has a great love story, pointless.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
I understand that it would be a nice extra to be able to have a relationship between characters etc. which will have impact in the game in specific situations in a single player game. But.. I seriously don't see a point having a relationship with an NPC character in an online game as you can actually interact with REAL people.
If you get excited by the fact that 2 NPC's with the same gender do whatever with eachother... your doing something terribly wrong in real life. As you stopped playing online games you have plenty of time and hopefully invest that in building up a REAL relationship if you don't have one already.
This is why i have given up on theme park mmo's, its all kill kill kill murder murder murder, i mean why am i out killing these harmless wild life creatures, do jedi really do that? don't bounty hunters hunt humanoids and not some defenseless boar?
Could be, it's homophobic to give a different rating to homesexual romance scenes though. That's something to blame the ratings for, not EA, because the game will most certainly feature regular romances.
As well as (non explicit) beheadings etc. according to some hands-on stuff.
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May be they should remove all the romantic plots altogether and allow people to do it like they do in every other game. People go to inns and other places and cyber that seems acceptable I mean doesn't WoW have a whole server for that . The Moon something server the name escapes me for now .
That, or trying to get in their fur it would seem.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
I am sorry you feel that way but it is not bioware you should be mad at.
1) It is lucas arts. Shoot bioware wanted to include same sex romances in kotor and were blocked. It is george lucas IP not EA and not BW, but lucas arts. It is one of the reasons BW decided to make mass effect so they can do what they want with their IP when they want.
2) second is they want/need to maintain a Teen rating to have the largest available audience. Like others have said the other BW games are rated M, but they want this game to be teen rated. You will not get a teen rating if you include same sex romance arcs.
I think BW understands what people want but it is NOT their IP and thus, some decisions are not theirs to make.
Personally, if I was you I would still support the game cause if the game is popular EA/BW might go on to make that Mass Effect MMO and there you would likely see a same sex romance arc.
The various organizations that their sole purpose is to limit scocieties exposure to content they deemed unfit are homophobic?.. OMG? REALY?! AND WATER IS WET?!!
Dude who do you think sits on the boards of those organizations? trust me not the liberal "hippies"...
swtor has romance arcs but no guild banks? srsly? haha. That's some messed up priorities.
On topic, I fully support the idea of same sex romance arcs if they wasted time on opposite sex romance arcs. Hell, I'd screw an ewok if it meant I'd get a speed movement buff in pvp. Something tells me there's no pvp buffs from romance though, so I'll pass.
to the op - it's time to make a decision, and then look forward and enjoy life. Either skip this game, and forget about it, move forward playing some other awesome games that don't make you feel this way. Or decide that you're not going to let this bother you for now, and dive in and enjoy the game. Whatever you do, don't play and then continue to feel crappy about the whole thing.
Well, first of all, I think it's more about the progression of the story and not about getting one's jollies.
Secondly, if people do get their jollies this way then, regardless of same sex or opposite sex then that's probably their business within the scoope of what the game offers.
I'd be a bit hesitant if I were you to start labeling what people need to re-evalutate when sexuality can be pretty nutty in the first place and each person has their own particular "kink" that could be looked at as bizarre by others.
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As much as I feel sorry for the OP . I do aslo sympathise with Lucas Arts decision . StarWars is a franchise that appeals to all ages and I imagine a fair few childen will be playing the game . If you look at the amount of homophobia in other games where theres a lot of younger players then you can see the wisdom . Same gendrt relationships would cause a lot of verbal abuse . It would lead to a very unpleasant atmosphere in the game . I don't think its a choice they came to easily but they just saw the practicalitys and decided to avoid the uproar it would cause . I don't know much about the StarWars relationship system but if people want to have same sex relationship maybe just do it under your own steam in the game . Hold the ceremony on Hoth or Endor or whereever you chose . I can't see how anyones going to stop you doing that . I've seen a fair few wedding ceremonys in WoW over the years but I've never seen a same sex one . Out of interest has anyone ever seen one in WoW ??? They must be very rare or non existant .
I think they should have had same sex relationships since they had it in Mass Effect. To be truthful though it's not like I support it for the right reasons. I picked the female Shepard in ME 1 so I could look at the awesomely shaped ass they designed and as a side effect of not wanting to get banged by a dude I had to pop liara's cherry so I could actually sleep at night. In ME 2 the temptation wasn't there since the asses were covered by plate-like armor pieces.
For me Mass Effect could have really been called "Side Effect".
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Same sex relationships in WoW I have seen in WoW in fact we had a very entertaining Tauren /Orc pair that had us in stiches on their antics while having sex. We would all laugh because they would do their dialogue and they did with such aplomb and it was for roleplaying purposes so well scripted and hilarious I mean real side splitting stuff. Don't recall any weddings though but same sex relationships were very common in Europe anyway cannot speak for the US servers on Emerald Dream.
And I think that's the thing, the cusomization is most likely not robust enough to make a woman look like a man.
I realize that there are some people who think gay men are women in "man form" (and there are, believe me) but there are plenty of men out there who would probably be looked at as straight until they said "nope, gay".
I understand the work around bit but for those gays who are feeling disenfranchised I am guessing it's about having to "work around" all the time.
If one is in a society when one has to always be doing a "work around" then at some point one starts to wonder why it's them that is always working around.
If there were no Black Barbies and someone said "don't worry, just get an airbrush, some good paint and paint it the color you want, problem solved" then sure that could work. But I suspect that could get tiring over the course of a life.
As far as romances in stories, my initial thought is that I don't care. However, if one thinks about it, sexuality and romantic relations are practically at the core of humanity. It's a big part of our wiring.
We deal with it all the time.
so if one is in a story with someone and there are no romances or even the suggestion of sexual tension then it seems a bit 2 dimensional. People flirt with each other all the time. Even at the work place.
For some gays it's not a big deal but for others, it's just another reminder that they can't be what they are.
I mean, right up to the 60's there were segregated water fountains. One could say "I don't see what the big deal is, you are still getting water and heck, there's less of a line"!
But somehow I don't think that placated people.
My thought is that this whole thing is about money. Bioware/EA has spent a lot and they want the game to do as well as it possibly can. Add a few same sex relationships and suddenly parents are going to have second thougths (some parents) and some adults are just not going to buy.
Essentiall they want every dime they can get!
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Intererestingly enough the news just surfaced that Skyrim will have even same sex marriages. A strange coincidence to bring this news now.
Honi siot qui mal y pense, as the French saying goes.
("Shamed be he who thinks evil of it..." A motto of the British Kings.)
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/25/old-republic-skyrim-on-same-sex-couples/
Which reminds me, after cancelling my 150 Dollar preorder have have 150 dollars free for a Skyrim Collectors Edition. Huzzah!
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Ok... First and foremost i would be more worried about the intra-species relations and any problem that can arise from that. Second... Drop the "persecuted minority" act... It is not "you and you people...." YOU are not representative for a wide community that is a diverse as it is rich in opinion. The things i tho that you are playing in someone elses sandbox...
And in this sandbox it is not a direct democracy, and even if it was i am sure that you would actually loose out in the end.
Quite honestly i be glad if they took the sexuality out of my bloody computergames to begin with... either it be boy/girl or boy/boy or girl/girl, human/plant thing, dog-faced gremlin/anthromorph elephant... But that will not happen either so i guess we are both s.o.o.l.
But then again... I guess you were just waiting for a real reason to feel slighted and insulted.... So you could spread the martyr cream on with a shovel....
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Intererestingly enough the news just surfaced that Skyrim will have even same sex marriages. A strange coincidence to bring this news now.
Honi siot qui mal y pense, as the French saying goes.
("Shamed be he who thinks evil of it..." A motto of the British Kings.)
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/25/old-republic-skyrim-on-same-sex-couples/"
This is called marketing.... And you bought it hook line and sinker.
This have been a good conversation
Skyrim is not an MMO so you don't have to deal with immature pre teens making 'gay' jokes. I can understand the reason behind not allowing such a concept in MMORPG. It does more harm than good considering how many kids play MMOS these days. One requires a certain maturity and understanding in matters like this which is non existent in online games. t just give them more oppertunities to harass and flame gay people.
I have just as hard a time wrapping my head around those who feel hard done by when opposite sex relationships are not included in video games. The whole thing just seems so trivial no matter the orientation that it really boggles my mind.