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This is exactly why RealID should have been implemented

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  • MadimorgaMadimorga Member UncommonPosts: 1,920

    Originally posted by karat76

     

    Sorry about the stalker truama elle. However in all honesty the cooler full of steak comment could be applied to just about any bar in the country. As society and social media have done nothing but ruin all that was decent about being a grown man now we are flooded with of legal casaulties of puberty unfit of ever being called a man. I did not relaize it was this bad until after a decade away i went back to college for another degree and was disgusted at what passed for male behavior on campuses. This behavior would have got you put down back in my prime.

     

    There's a difference, though.  You don't have to give every random stranger in a bar your personal information just to have a drink.

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  • DarkholmeDarkholme Member UncommonPosts: 1,212

    Just remember kiddies, internet anonimity will only get you so far. Eventually being a douchebag, whether you're hiding behind internet anonimity or not, will catch up to you. And there are always going to be these people who are willing to go that extra mile, to find you and teach you a lesson...

    That having been said, I do not see this as an example why we need systems like ReadID. If anything it's a reason not to. The guy shouldn't have strangled the kid, but rather the kids parents for doing a crappy job raising the little toolbag. Yes kids, being a douche to people on the internet is the same as doing it to their face. It's just that on the internet you usually dont have to face the real consequences that you would if you were standing in front of the person. I know that 99% of the people that act like this in online communities wouldn't dare do the same to someone's face, which is one of the reasons why they act like this in the first place.

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  • IcewhiteIcewhite Member Posts: 6,403

    Originally posted by Darkholme

    Just remember kiddies, internet anonimity will only get you so far. Eventually being a douchebag, whether you're hiding behind internet anonimity or not, will catch up to you. And there are always going to be these people who are willing to go that extra mile, to find you and teach you a lesson...

    That's fine, as long as they're willing to be convicted and sentenced.

    The real fun will start when a e-thug rages off to his enemy's home to flex his manliness, and meets a loaded weapon.

    Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

  • MadimorgaMadimorga Member UncommonPosts: 1,920

    Originally posted by Icewhite

    Originally posted by Darkholme

    Just remember kiddies, internet anonimity will only get you so far. Eventually being a douchebag, whether you're hiding behind internet anonimity or not, will catch up to you. And there are always going to be these people who are willing to go that extra mile, to find you and teach you a lesson...

    That's fine, as long as they're willing to be convicted and sentenced.

    The real fun will start when a e-thug rages off to his enemy's home to flex his manliness, and meets a loaded weapon.

     

    See?  See!  I told you all it was an epic troll plan!

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  • SonictempalSonictempal Member Posts: 55

    Exactly.

  • SonictempalSonictempal Member Posts: 55

    Originally posted by Sanguinelust

    It takes a long time to develop a thick skin when it comes to the internet. There have been a few times where I wanted to go beat someones ass, not becasue I'm a sore loser, but because the other person decides to say something that would get thier ass beat if they weren't safe in their mother's basement. It would be great if no one was allowed the anonimity that the internet gives them but I think of it this way now, anyone who acts that way is doing so because they are pretty much powerless to do so in any other format. That line of thinking and a thicker skin has allowed me to get beyond the feelings of hurt I'd like to deliver.

    That and kicking my cat when it happens helps too image

    I'm kidding about the kicking of the cat part of course.

    Exactly.

  • DrunkWolfDrunkWolf Member RarePosts: 1,701

    I think the only time i have ever really felt the rage to the point were i wanted to beat sombodys face in while gameing is when im dealing with hackers. i play alot of FPS so it has taken along time to get used to the fact that alot of people just cant stand not being good at a game so they have to cheat. then while cheating they talk trash like they are good.

    this is the one thing that i cant stand more than anything else in online gameing. not only are they ruining it for legit players but they get away with it most of the time.

  • IlliusIllius Member UncommonPosts: 4,142

    The first thing that popped into my head was this:

    Clicky!

    ^^^ click it you know you want to!

    Hey Madi I personally invite you to come along and recreate the vid I linked for the simple joy of just watching you curse at people... followed of course by a well to do beating that I plan to participate in.  Nothing to serious, just a thorough throtteling...

    No required quests! And if I decide I want to be an assassin-cartographer-dancer-pastry chef who lives only to stalk and kill interior decorators, then that's who I want to be, even if it takes me four years to max all the skills and everyone else thinks I'm freaking nuts. -Madimorga-

  • AutemOxAutemOx Member Posts: 1,704

    What does this have to do with Real ID?

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  • DarkholmeDarkholme Member UncommonPosts: 1,212

    Originally posted by Icewhite

    Originally posted by Darkholme

    Just remember kiddies, internet anonimity will only get you so far. Eventually being a douchebag, whether you're hiding behind internet anonimity or not, will catch up to you. And there are always going to be these people who are willing to go that extra mile, to find you and teach you a lesson...

    That's fine, as long as they're willing to be convicted and sentenced.

    The real fun will start when a e-thug rages off to his enemy's home to flex his manliness, and meets a loaded weapon.

    Ethugs don't have the balls to leave mom's basement, which is why they are ethugs... I'm saying that there are crazy people out there that can find you with or without a RealID system, so making it so much easier isn't really such a great idea. That doesn't mean that retaining internet anonimity so you can be a douche to everyone and troll every community on the internet is acceptable behavior, even from a 13 year old.

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  • generals3generals3 Member Posts: 3,307

    Originally posted by Madimorga

    Originally posted by Icewhite


    Originally posted by Darkholme

    Just remember kiddies, internet anonimity will only get you so far. Eventually being a douchebag, whether you're hiding behind internet anonimity or not, will catch up to you. And there are always going to be these people who are willing to go that extra mile, to find you and teach you a lesson...

    That's fine, as long as they're willing to be convicted and sentenced.

    The real fun will start when a e-thug rages off to his enemy's home to flex his manliness, and meets a loaded weapon.

     

    See?  See!  I told you all it was an epic troll plan!

    I must admit your epic troll plan was quite funny (well it would be sad if done in reality, but the idea made me laugh)

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  • just1opinionjust1opinion Member UncommonPosts: 4,641

    Originally posted by Ceridith

    Originally posted by LordPsychodi

    You guys are RATIONALIZING a complete psycho? This is NEVER OKAY. I don't care if someone is in your face, spit flying as they shout insults about your dead grandma, you NEVER lay a hand on someone over words, forget actions in a game. If that were my son I'd ask for the mic and join in with mocking the guy getting butthurt over my son Pwning him and taunting.

    This is exactly WHY realID is a terrible idea. all it will is enable psychos like that man who should be kept far away from an Xbox if a 13 year old can make him so mad. Preferably a padded cell with lots of medication,

    In one breath you claim that people who react this way have a mental instability, and then in another you state that you would join in and mock said person for becoming so upset.

    Mental disabilities are no laughing matter, sir.

    Maybe people shouldn't get so 'butthurt' when someone reacts negatively when provoked through verbal harassment and taunting. Particularly so if some of said people are "psychos", maybe people should think twice before running their mouths off at strangers.

     

    Regardless of the fact that the adult in this situation was obviously wrong for handling it the way he did.....the highlighted sentence is still true.

     

    And he managed to find the kid without RealID, which in my opinion is further evidence of why we do NOT need RealID. Let's not make these encounters any easier.

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  • MadimorgaMadimorga Member UncommonPosts: 1,920

    Originally posted by Illius

    The first thing that popped into my head was this:

    Clicky!

    ^^^ click it you know you want to!

    Hey Madi I personally invite you to come along and recreate the vid I linked for the simple joy of just watching you curse at people... followed of course by a well to do beating that I plan to participate in.  Nothing to serious, just a thorough throtteling...

     

    Muahaha!  Let's go!  My parole officer doesn't expect me in his office til Monday.  image

     

    Ah the joy of imagining beating the crap out of the richly deserving.  But in reality I can't quite bring myself to do it.  Well, maybe the last guy who wouldn't get off the phone...

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  • PilnkplonkPilnkplonk Member Posts: 1,532

    Originally posted by Ceridith

    Originally posted by Pilnkplonk


    Originally posted by nerovipus32


    Originally posted by Ikeda

    I LOVE how this thread has devolved from the REAL issue here.

    You have a 13 year old kid... playing a game RATED MATURE.  Yes, the guy went an beat his tail.  I don't feel bad.  

    Obviously te parents weren't doing their job.  My kid has been saying yes sir/ma'am, no sir/ma'am from the time they could speak.

    So in a game... where you have USERNAMES... this kid mocked a guy... dude got his real name/address SOMEHOW... tracked him down... and strangled him Homer-style.

    Sorry.. anonymity should only go so far.  If you feel the need to start berating someone you should be prepared for the consequences.  We prosecute the adults when kids invite grownups over to do stuff they shouldn't be doing.  Why dont we smack the kids as well?  If someone gets a pic of an underage girl/bow, we prosecute the person for child abuse but not the underage girl/boy for taking the picture as a distributor?

     

    We have become a world where kids who CAN make choices, often make the bad decision simply BECAUSE they can.  They know the possible implications and they ignore it anyways.

    Is being a kid not a learning process? they dont have the foresight adults have, maybe you should lay off the 13 year old kid, who is just a kid and doesn't know any better.  next you'll be telling 8 year olds to grow up.

    agree completely. kids make mistakes, that's what childhood is for. this whole terrible nanny state crap and zero tolerance policies in schools are creating a generation of cowed drones seething with frustration.

    and being a grown-up entails showing some tolerance to the vagaries of youth. that's one of the things being a grown-up means. a guy who can get seriously upset over something a 13yr old said to him over the internet is an emotional cripple and not a proper adult at all.

    The kid knew full well what he was doing when he was taunting the guy over the course of the day. He was doing it to get a reaction from the guy, and the kid got one, it just wasn't one he was expecting to get.

    Tolerance of poor behavior doesn't correct poor behavior, consequences do. The kid should count himself lucky that things didn't turn out worse for him, and hopefully he'll think twice before running his mouth off at strangers again.

    well the kid is dead so i doubt he'll be able to think twice about it

    just like the 8yo kid who got criminal record for doodling a gun during a class. the grown up in 10 or 20 years time won't be able to erase what the kid has done. there is no redemption, no leatning and no salvation in this world that you present and defend.

    sorry, but your arguments disgust me deeply. no, they fill me with loathing. "a 13 year old kid should have now better" - are you crazy? the kid got killed by a psychopath who couldn't take a taunt? Should I be justified in killing you right know because "you should have known better" than to offend me?!

  • generals3generals3 Member Posts: 3,307

    Originally posted by Pilnkplonk

    Originally posted by Ceridith


    Originally posted by Pilnkplonk


    Originally posted by nerovipus32


    Originally posted by Ikeda

    I LOVE how this thread has devolved from the REAL issue here.

    You have a 13 year old kid... playing a game RATED MATURE.  Yes, the guy went an beat his tail.  I don't feel bad.  

    Obviously te parents weren't doing their job.  My kid has been saying yes sir/ma'am, no sir/ma'am from the time they could speak.

    So in a game... where you have USERNAMES... this kid mocked a guy... dude got his real name/address SOMEHOW... tracked him down... and strangled him Homer-style.

    Sorry.. anonymity should only go so far.  If you feel the need to start berating someone you should be prepared for the consequences.  We prosecute the adults when kids invite grownups over to do stuff they shouldn't be doing.  Why dont we smack the kids as well?  If someone gets a pic of an underage girl/bow, we prosecute the person for child abuse but not the underage girl/boy for taking the picture as a distributor?

     

    We have become a world where kids who CAN make choices, often make the bad decision simply BECAUSE they can.  They know the possible implications and they ignore it anyways.

    Is being a kid not a learning process? they dont have the foresight adults have, maybe you should lay off the 13 year old kid, who is just a kid and doesn't know any better.  next you'll be telling 8 year olds to grow up.

    agree completely. kids make mistakes, that's what childhood is for. this whole terrible nanny state crap and zero tolerance policies in schools are creating a generation of cowed drones seething with frustration.

    and being a grown-up entails showing some tolerance to the vagaries of youth. that's one of the things being a grown-up means. a guy who can get seriously upset over something a 13yr old said to him over the internet is an emotional cripple and not a proper adult at all.

    The kid knew full well what he was doing when he was taunting the guy over the course of the day. He was doing it to get a reaction from the guy, and the kid got one, it just wasn't one he was expecting to get.

    Tolerance of poor behavior doesn't correct poor behavior, consequences do. The kid should count himself lucky that things didn't turn out worse for him, and hopefully he'll think twice before running his mouth off at strangers again.

    well the kid is dead so i doubt he'll be able to think twice about it

    just like the 8yo kid who got criminal record for doodling a gun during a class. the grown up in 10 or 20 years time won't be able to erase what the kid has done. there is no redemption, no leatning and no salvation in this world that you present and defend.

    sorry, but your arguments disgust me deeply. no, they fill me with loathing. "a 13 year old kid should have now better" - are you crazy? the kid got killed by a psychopath who couldn't take a taunt? Should I be justified in killing you right know because "you should have known better" than to offend me?!

    As far as i know the kid did not die or was there some new info released stating otherwise?

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  • PilnkplonkPilnkplonk Member Posts: 1,532

    Originally posted by generals3

    Originally posted by Pilnkplonk


    Originally posted by Ceridith


    Originally posted by Pilnkplonk


    Originally posted by nerovipus32


    Originally posted by Ikeda

    I LOVE how this thread has devolved from the REAL issue here.

    You have a 13 year old kid... playing a game RATED MATURE.  Yes, the guy went an beat his tail.  I don't feel bad.  

    Obviously te parents weren't doing their job.  My kid has been saying yes sir/ma'am, no sir/ma'am from the time they could speak.

    So in a game... where you have USERNAMES... this kid mocked a guy... dude got his real name/address SOMEHOW... tracked him down... and strangled him Homer-style.

    Sorry.. anonymity should only go so far.  If you feel the need to start berating someone you should be prepared for the consequences.  We prosecute the adults when kids invite grownups over to do stuff they shouldn't be doing.  Why dont we smack the kids as well?  If someone gets a pic of an underage girl/bow, we prosecute the person for child abuse but not the underage girl/boy for taking the picture as a distributor?

     

    We have become a world where kids who CAN make choices, often make the bad decision simply BECAUSE they can.  They know the possible implications and they ignore it anyways.

    Is being a kid not a learning process? they dont have the foresight adults have, maybe you should lay off the 13 year old kid, who is just a kid and doesn't know any better.  next you'll be telling 8 year olds to grow up.

    agree completely. kids make mistakes, that's what childhood is for. this whole terrible nanny state crap and zero tolerance policies in schools are creating a generation of cowed drones seething with frustration.

    and being a grown-up entails showing some tolerance to the vagaries of youth. that's one of the things being a grown-up means. a guy who can get seriously upset over something a 13yr old said to him over the internet is an emotional cripple and not a proper adult at all.

    The kid knew full well what he was doing when he was taunting the guy over the course of the day. He was doing it to get a reaction from the guy, and the kid got one, it just wasn't one he was expecting to get.

    Tolerance of poor behavior doesn't correct poor behavior, consequences do. The kid should count himself lucky that things didn't turn out worse for him, and hopefully he'll think twice before running his mouth off at strangers again.

    well the kid is dead so i doubt he'll be able to think twice about it

    just like the 8yo kid who got criminal record for doodling a gun during a class. the grown up in 10 or 20 years time won't be able to erase what the kid has done. there is no redemption, no leatning and no salvation in this world that you present and defend.

    sorry, but your arguments disgust me deeply. no, they fill me with loathing. "a 13 year old kid should have now better" - are you crazy? the kid got killed by a psychopath who couldn't take a taunt? Should I be justified in killing you right know because "you should have known better" than to offend me?!

    As far as i know the kid did not die or was there some new info released stating otherwise?

    sorry i got a brain fart there :) (confused that with another similar incident)

    however, i still stand by the gist of what i said. kids are kids. they do horrible things sometimes, but that's what kids do... just like grownups.

    people learn, especially kids. too harsh penalties are counter productive, unless your goal is not actually stopping the bad behavior but simply exacting "righteous vengeance" and consequences be damned (how to create a criminal 101 - take a kid who smokes pot with his pals for kicks and put him into a jail for 2 years, that's real smart - if you want to have a criminal society, that is)

    however, there is never a justification for crossing the line between physical and verbal violence. there is a line there. the guy who crossed it in this case is pathetic moron, both for allowing himself to be provoked into this state and by being so by a child who knows nothing. crap, if you need to put people into jail or strangle them because you can't take some smack talk from a pimply pube then you really are an idiot. there are so many way this guy could have had reacted - from stopping the communication to enjoying baiting the kid to actually and smartly trying to refrom him by actually being a grown up. but what did he do? he descended to an even lower level. it's just moronic. I'm a parent and I'll tell you that there are very very few instances where physical punishment or, even worse, loosing your cool is justified (if ever). What that guy did just marks him as a thoroughly pathetic emotional cripple, way worse than that annoying kid who at least has the justification of being... a kid, ffs.

     

  • PilnkplonkPilnkplonk Member Posts: 1,532

    Originally posted by LordPsychodi

    You guys are RATIONALIZING a complete psycho? This is NEVER OKAY. I don't care if someone is in your face, spit flying as they shout insults about your dead grandma, you NEVER lay a hand on someone over words, forget actions in a game. If that were my son I'd ask for the mic and join in with mocking the guy getting butthurt over my son Pwning him and taunting.

    This is exactly WHY realID is a terrible idea. all it will is enable psychos like that man who should be kept far away from an Xbox if a 13 year old can make him so mad. Preferably a padded cell with lots of medication,

    agree. there is a very VERY real line between words and actions. you do NOT cross that line lightly and that is the very point of the freedom of speech we're so very proud of. talking smack at someone is one thing, going physical is completely another. it is exactly this equalization of verbal and physical violence that is bringing this society down.

    look man, if something i said to you offends you then it is your problem, not mine because you can choose to retort or simply don't listen to me. however, physical actual violence is another matter entirely. i can take any kind of smack talk from anyone, because i know what i believe in and no 13yo kid can make me "loose it".(jeez that would be pathetic of me, just like those fundamentalists who got mortally hurt by some cartoons by some local newspaper in some foreign country). but if you lay one finger on me... better watch out because there's a shitstorm coming.

    that guy who "overreacted" could have just shrugged it off, played it out, laughed at the annoying kid trying to be smart.. anything. but no, he crossed the line and showed the world that he is unable to parry a 13yo kid who's baiting him... that he is not smart and strong enough to defend himself from a verbal assault by a child. that's just miserable. if i were in his shoes i'd probably be dying of shame.

  • travamarstravamars Member CommonPosts: 417

    I bet the little shit will think twice before he acts like that again though. He should be playing a f2p game with all of the other little snot nosed brats that like to run their mouth..

  • RaventreeRaventree Member Posts: 456

    I don't know what is worse, a grown man beating up a kid, or the smack talking kids on the internet saying things they would never say in real life because they would get their butts kicked.

    Either way, I think Jay and Silent Bob need to be sent out across the country repeatedly until the internet becomes a much nicer place.

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  • KostKost Member CommonPosts: 1,975

    Originally posted by Asheram

    Joystiq has a pretty humorous article about it hehe.

    http://www.joystiq.com/2011/09/30/guy-chokes-a-kid-after-being-made-fun-of-in-black-ops-were/8#c34856317

    That's some good stuff right there.

  • RaventreeRaventree Member Posts: 456

    Originally posted by Asheram

    Joystiq has a pretty humorous article about it hehe.

    http://www.joystiq.com/2011/09/30/guy-chokes-a-kid-after-being-made-fun-of-in-black-ops-were/8#c34856317

    Oh god that article is hilarious!!!!  He brought the kid a great big Choke-a-Cola!!!  Haha!!!

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  • xKingdomxxKingdomx Member UncommonPosts: 1,541

    Originally posted by Lienhart

    No, just no. Go hide in a bubble and QQ. You're able to post online, you're not starving to death, you aren't being bombed by Americans or suicide bombers. You don't live in a dictatorship, or a communist control. Just no, get out please.

    People like you seriously sicken me because you're what's wrong with this world. I ride a motorcycle, it rained yesterday and I went 160km/h+ down a highway not knowing whether or not the retard driver infront of me would brake for no reason because we all know 99% of the population cannot drive during rain...hell, they can't drive period seeing as how even if I'm not being a troll (ie. going way above the speed limit), some idiot always managers to left/right turn into the wrong lane and nearly into me until I yell at them, punch their window, or give them the finger.

    Am I gonna stop riding? Never. How many accidents have I gotten into? Zero in 6 years with approximately 300,000km total from riding and driving.

    So please, if you're afraid of getting raped and murdered you may as well just stop driving, coming online, and hide in a bubble for the rest of your life.

    what are you talking about?

    How is rape and murder related to driving? coming online?


    • If you are starving to death, you probably don't have a choice there

    • if you are being bombed by Americans and suicide bombers, you probably don't have a say in there

    • if you live in a dictatorship or communist control, you probably don't have a right to leave anytime you want.

    • But RealID, you have a choice to not go on the internet, why should this feature be forced upon everyone? I can't tell you 99% of people will just put fake names and ID in it anyway, unless you ar eexposing your credit card details, that hell takes over.

    And how is anything got to do with RealID?

     

    You know what they should do? Make a poll, then to everyone that said yes to RealID, let them have it. Then come back a year later and tell me hows it going.RealID means givng the published permanent rights to expose your real name and personal details online for as long as they want, not just the period of your gametime.

    And why the hell would you go 160km+, are you in a hurry to the toilet to shit bricks? You honestly can't blame anyone if you crash oneday, or say it is because of RealID

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  • DerWotanDerWotan Member Posts: 1,012

    see thats what unanymous online requirement gets you. Some people are just that crazy unbelievable. Since its the most braindead shooter ever I'm not surprised.

     

    Hope this idiot will get what he deserves.

    We need a MMORPG Cataclysm asap, finish the dark age of MMORPGS now!

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  • IcewhiteIcewhite Member Posts: 6,403

    Originally posted by xKingdomx

    You know what they should do? Make a poll, then to everyone that said yes to RealID, let them have it.

     

    As much as the wry karmic justice of that would amuse me, I'd much rather see Kotick's personal cell phone number get re-published every time he was forced to change it (again).

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