I don't have numbers but it looks like the western market kinda got bored of WoW. Western market is more demanding, people want new stuff, better stuff, improvements etc, Most people on these boards wait for GW2 or TOR or TSW or other stuff. Pretty much anyone i know who played WoW does not play it anymore because of the "same old" syndrome. Therefore, the asian market is very very very important to Blizzard. Try most asian mmo's, you'll find anime graphics, pandas etc. Seems that ppl there like sh*t like that, otherwise the asian devs would not put them in their games. Blizzard just plays along, i dont think it has anything to do with maturity.
Definitely trying to pull in more girls after seeing the videos. Not your usual demon frenzied lich king soul sucking kind of expansion which would appeal to a different type of person. But more women in the game = win win.
you seem to be under the impression that we're living in a world were there aren't thousands of 20+ year olds watching "My Little Pony" as if it's the coolest thing ever.
That Pixar movies are aimed purely and solely at little kids and contain no elements whatsoever which may appeal to adults.
That 'gritty' and 'realistic' are more mature and adult then any other art-style.
However, that's not the world we're living in.
There's plenty of people out there who don't give a rat's ass about whether or not the videogame they play is considered mature by the good folks over here at MMORPG.com. They don't need a videogame to validate their maturity. They feel plenty comfortable in their adult status even when playing with dolls, petting pink kittens or playing as a panda in a cartoony videogame. They've realised that maturity is about a lot more then outward appearances and have learned that if you spend all your time looking mature it leaves very little time to act mature.
See, to most actual adults this is just a videogame. It's already something that isn't serious and of no huge importance. Whether or not it has pandas doesn't change that. But pandas are cute, so for them the choice is between a silly game and a cute & silly game, guess which one they pick?
Pandas are aimed at your normal WoW player who already see it as a silly game that's nevertheless a good way to waste time and relax. They don't need to play as big burly US marines to validate their maturity. They're just playing to have fun, pandas are fun as well so they fit right in.
Best post ever and if still someone wants to continue to generalise all gamers who play games like WOW as kids.. it is a lost case.
Gobla -1
OP - K.O
Again you totally missed my central point that its is unlikly to attract children around the age of 12 years old . Theres no way I was saying this wouldn't appeal to some adult . It wont appeal to the majority of 30+ year olds though and if it does appeal to someone of 35 good for them . Not every 35 year old reads comics and its seen by most 35 year old that they are immature if they do but if you enjoy it kudos to you .
What I was saying its far more unlikly to attract the 12 year old demographic that most people that are making critiscms think it will . Maybe if you learn to read whats actually written than make assumptions you will be able to make an informed and intelligent responce .
Some animated movies appeal to me as some are well done and offer something to the older viewer and some dont . At 12 years old I had lost interest in Disney but now I'll quite happily watch a disney movie .
Very reason I rarely enter the WoW forums . For some reason people here seam to be unable to grasp the simplest of discussions and resort to they type of unthinking post you've just made .
I'm 35, just turned 35 yesterday actually, and I stil read comics. I also draw and paint, so it kind of makes sense. Also, every person I know that draws still reads comics, and whenever I go in the comic shop I don't see kids, it's adults.
Know why I don't see kids in the comic shop? Cause kids don't read comics. They don't, that's why the comic industry has had so much trouble. Wanna know why adults read comics? Caue they were reading them as kids. Something tells me that the young adults I see in Barnes and Nobles every weekend, looking through the manga section aren't going to stop reading them cause they hit a specific age. Here's a bit of reality, if you're 20something and reading comics, you're probably going to be doing the same thing at 30something.
You do realize that there are comic books gears specifically for adults. Just because someone put a word ballon in a drawing doesn't automatically religate it to the childrens market.
When have you ever seen a kid spend a thousand dollars on a comic book?
Where do you get the idea that "most" 35 year olds think it's immature to read a comic? There isn't a single adult that I know that thinks I'm immature. Not to mention I have adults on a weekly basis asking me to paint stuff for them, and they aren't asking for landscapes.
Did you know that I don't know a single kid that does LARP's. I first learned about them when my boy was in college and he started playing Vampire masquerade with a girl he was dating. About a year ago a girl tried to pick me up, and invited me to come to a medival LARP thing with her. The girl at the comic shop was talking to me about her 50 year old father who does LARP's. Grown people playing dress up, and you think that adults think comics are immature?
Know what most adults do find immature though? When someone gets pissy because someone else disagreed with them.
BTW, all my nieces and nephiews, and I have 11 of them, think pandas are cool, and my girls 15 year old son does to. And Kung Fu Panda is one of my favorite movies. And my little pony blows. Pokemon sucks, but I'm tempted to get this Xpac when it comes out so I can play battle pets.
PS: I play a game were I fly around in tights, another one were I'm a frog, and another were I run around as a cartoon guy shooting other people.
you seem to be under the impression that we're living in a world were there aren't thousands of 20+ year olds watching "My Little Pony" as if it's the coolest thing ever.
That Pixar movies are aimed purely and solely at little kids and contain no elements whatsoever which may appeal to adults.
That 'gritty' and 'realistic' are more mature and adult then any other art-style.
However, that's not the world we're living in.
There's plenty of people out there who don't give a rat's ass about whether or not the videogame they play is considered mature by the good folks over here at MMORPG.com. They don't need a videogame to validate their maturity. They feel plenty comfortable in their adult status even when playing with dolls, petting pink kittens or playing as a panda in a cartoony videogame. They've realised that maturity is about a lot more then outward appearances and have learned that if you spend all your time looking mature it leaves very little time to act mature.
See, to most actual adults this is just a videogame. It's already something that isn't serious and of no huge importance. Whether or not it has pandas doesn't change that. But pandas are cute, so for them the choice is between a silly game and a cute & silly game, guess which one they pick?
Pandas are aimed at your normal WoW player who already see it as a silly game that's nevertheless a good way to waste time and relax. They don't need to play as big burly US marines to validate their maturity. They're just playing to have fun, pandas are fun as well so they fit right in.
Best post ever and if still someone wants to continue to generalise all gamers who play games like WOW as kids.. it is a lost case.
Gobla -1
OP - K.O
Again you totally missed my central point that its is unlikly to attract children around the age of 12 years old . Theres no way I was saying this wouldn't appeal to some adult . It wont appeal to the majority of 30+ year olds though and if it does appeal to someone of 35 good for them . Not every 35 year old reads comics and its seen by most 35 year old that they are immature if they do but if you enjoy it kudos to you .
What I was saying its far more unlikly to attract the 12 year old demographic that most people that are making critiscms think it will . Maybe if you learn to read whats actually written than make assumptions you will be able to make an informed and intelligent responce .
Some animated movies appeal to me as some are well done and offer something to the older viewer and some dont . At 12 years old I had lost interest in Disney but now I'll quite happily watch a disney movie .
Very reason I rarely enter the WoW forums . For some reason people here seam to be unable to grasp the simplest of discussions and resort to they type of unthinking post you've just made .
And you know that for sure how? do you know all 30+ mature guys who play WOW or just any other online games? you are just making up numbers here that is why it is hard to take anything you say seriously.
Howevern it is not just about reading comics that make you look childish and immature (that is what you think by the way not me). Same can be said for those who play online games. I can make up fake numbers too and say hey 'x' number of people think anyone who is 30+ and play vidoe games is childih and immature.
See how shallow and hypocrite it sounds? for someone who generalised entire WOW population who are looking forward to Panda race as 12 years old you should be the last person to complain about 'unthinkign post'. Goblas hit the nail on head and you should read and learn something from it.
I didn't say reading comics made someone look immature to me but it does appear that way to the majority of 35 year olds . fyi I still read them but these days it tends to be stuff by writers I like such as Alan Moore ,Neal Gaimen, Grant Morrison rather than following spacific companeys or characters . Again you really should learn to absorb what you read rather than make assumptions .
Theres a big difference between me saying I personally find people that read comics at 35 immature and saying the majority of 35 year olds find the 35 year olds that do immature . I don't find
And once again you get it wrong I said the 12 year olds are more unlikly to enjoy Pandas than very young players and adults .
12 year olds want to be seen to be growing up and are less likly to enjoy things they at 12 they percieve to be childish . Someone whos a biit older and has already grown up a bit it wont be so important to and thus they are for more likely to be acceptable to them . Let that germinate in the old gray matter for a bit and perhaps you'll finally get my point .
you seem to be under the impression that we're living in a world were there aren't thousands of 20+ year olds watching "My Little Pony" as if it's the coolest thing ever.
That Pixar movies are aimed purely and solely at little kids and contain no elements whatsoever which may appeal to adults.
That 'gritty' and 'realistic' are more mature and adult then any other art-style.
However, that's not the world we're living in.
There's plenty of people out there who don't give a rat's ass about whether or not the videogame they play is considered mature by the good folks over here at MMORPG.com. They don't need a videogame to validate their maturity. They feel plenty comfortable in their adult status even when playing with dolls, petting pink kittens or playing as a panda in a cartoony videogame. They've realised that maturity is about a lot more then outward appearances and have learned that if you spend all your time looking mature it leaves very little time to act mature.
See, to most actual adults this is just a videogame. It's already something that isn't serious and of no huge importance. Whether or not it has pandas doesn't change that. But pandas are cute, so for them the choice is between a silly game and a cute & silly game, guess which one they pick?
Pandas are aimed at your normal WoW player who already see it as a silly game that's nevertheless a good way to waste time and relax. They don't need to play as big burly US marines to validate their maturity. They're just playing to have fun, pandas are fun as well so they fit right in.
Best post ever and if still someone wants to continue to generalise all gamers who play games like WOW as kids.. it is a lost case.
Gobla -1
OP - K.O
Again you totally missed my central point that its is unlikly to attract children around the age of 12 years old . Theres no way I was saying this wouldn't appeal to some adult . It wont appeal to the majority of 30+ year olds though and if it does appeal to someone of 35 good for them . Not every 35 year old reads comics and its seen by most 35 year old that they are immature if they do but if you enjoy it kudos to you .
What I was saying its far more unlikly to attract the 12 year old demographic that most people that are making critiscms think it will . Maybe if you learn to read whats actually written than make assumptions you will be able to make an informed and intelligent responce .
Some animated movies appeal to me as some are well done and offer something to the older viewer and some dont . At 12 years old I had lost interest in Disney but now I'll quite happily watch a disney movie .
Very reason I rarely enter the WoW forums . For some reason people here seam to be unable to grasp the simplest of discussions and resort to they type of unthinking post you've just made .
And you know that for sure how? do you know all 30+ mature guys who play WOW or just any other online games? you are just making up numbers here that is why it is hard to take anything you say seriously.
Howevern it is not just about reading comics that make you look childish and immature (that is what you think by the way not me). Same can be said for those who play online games. I can make up fake numbers too and say hey 'x' number of people think anyone who is 30+ and play vidoe games is childih and immature.
See how shallow and hypocrite it sounds? for someone who generalised entire WOW population who are looking forward to Panda race as 12 years old you should be the last person to complain about 'unthinkign post'. Goblas hit the nail on head and you should read and learn something from it.
I didn't say reading comics made someone look immature to me but it does appear that way to the majority of 35 year olds . fyi I still read them but these days it tends to be stuff by writers I like such as Alan Moore ,Neal Gaimen, Grant Morrison rather than following spacific companeys or characters . Again you really should learn to absorb what you read rather than make assumptions .
Theres a big difference between me saying I personally find people that read comics at 35 immature and saying the majority of 35 year olds find the 35 year olds that do immature . I don't find
And once again you get it wrong I said the 12 year olds are more unlikly to enjoy Pandas than very young players and adults .
12 year olds want to be seen to be growing up and are less likly to enjoy things they at 12 they percieve to be childish . Someone whos a biit older and has already grown up a bit it wont be so important to and thus they are for more likely to be acceptable to them . Let that germinate in the old gray matter for a bit and perhaps you'll finally get my point .
Pardon me! What is your source for saying the "magority" of 35 year olds? Your OPINION doesn't mean that that's what the magority think.
Obviously you've got some deeper issues about whether or not it's ok for an adult to read a comic. You had to justify your reading them by stating you only read based on specific authors. Guess what? I was readin those same guys when I was a teen and they were just starting out as writers in their early 20's.
Were are you getting this "12 year olds want to be seen as growing up" nonsense? Your single nephew doesn't represent every 12 year old! I know only one kid that tries to behaive like a grown up, and that's because her mother is a piece of crap and doesn't take care of her; every other preteen I know acts exactly like a preteen, and aren't trying to be seen as growing up.
A kid who THINKS they're grown up, isn't trying to be seen as a grown up. There's a diffirence. A preteen doesn't know what it means to be a grown up enough to even properly catogorize things as being grown up or childish. The same kid who may tell you that pandas are for kids, are probably still playing with dolls!
PS: You're only 27! What the hell do you know what a 35 year old thinks?
you seem to be under the impression that we're living in a world were there aren't thousands of 20+ year olds watching "My Little Pony" as if it's the coolest thing ever.
That Pixar movies are aimed purely and solely at little kids and contain no elements whatsoever which may appeal to adults.
That 'gritty' and 'realistic' are more mature and adult then any other art-style.
However, that's not the world we're living in.
There's plenty of people out there who don't give a rat's ass about whether or not the videogame they play is considered mature by the good folks over here at MMORPG.com. They don't need a videogame to validate their maturity. They feel plenty comfortable in their adult status even when playing with dolls, petting pink kittens or playing as a panda in a cartoony videogame. They've realised that maturity is about a lot more then outward appearances and have learned that if you spend all your time looking mature it leaves very little time to act mature.
See, to most actual adults this is just a videogame. It's already something that isn't serious and of no huge importance. Whether or not it has pandas doesn't change that. But pandas are cute, so for them the choice is between a silly game and a cute & silly game, guess which one they pick?
Pandas are aimed at your normal WoW player who already see it as a silly game that's nevertheless a good way to waste time and relax. They don't need to play as big burly US marines to validate their maturity. They're just playing to have fun, pandas are fun as well so they fit right in.
Personally I play games to have fun. Not because I need to prove anything. I think a game should have dark serious world that can sometimes be cruel and violent. No cartoons or silly jokes related to pop culture.
Its certainly about personal taste. And some people want games that are more serious. And some adults would like some content that would be bad for young children. Not that the whole game should focus on that. But sometimes it makes the game and its story more interesting.
Playing a game with content that is harmless and good for children will of course also prove nothing. If you think its fun its good for you. Other people have different taste and are looking for a different experience. Thats the way it is. WoW is big. But its not for everyone. When they try to target the biggest possible audience there are some things they cant do. They cant afford to offend anyone or include content that is bad for children. Someone that targets a smaller and limited audience can obviously do more and give that audience what it wants. But such games will probably never be as big as WoW even if they are very good.
you seem to be under the impression that we're living in a world were there aren't thousands of 20+ year olds watching "My Little Pony" as if it's the coolest thing ever.
That Pixar movies are aimed purely and solely at little kids and contain no elements whatsoever which may appeal to adults.
That 'gritty' and 'realistic' are more mature and adult then any other art-style.
However, that's not the world we're living in.
There's plenty of people out there who don't give a rat's ass about whether or not the videogame they play is considered mature by the good folks over here at MMORPG.com. They don't need a videogame to validate their maturity. They feel plenty comfortable in their adult status even when playing with dolls, petting pink kittens or playing as a panda in a cartoony videogame. They've realised that maturity is about a lot more then outward appearances and have learned that if you spend all your time looking mature it leaves very little time to act mature.
See, to most actual adults this is just a videogame. It's already something that isn't serious and of no huge importance. Whether or not it has pandas doesn't change that. But pandas are cute, so for them the choice is between a silly game and a cute & silly game, guess which one they pick?
Pandas are aimed at your normal WoW player who already see it as a silly game that's nevertheless a good way to waste time and relax. They don't need to play as big burly US marines to validate their maturity. They're just playing to have fun, pandas are fun as well so they fit right in.
Best post ever and if still someone wants to continue to generalise all gamers who play games like WOW as kids.. it is a lost case.
Gobla -1
OP - K.O
Again you totally missed my central point that its is unlikly to attract children around the age of 12 years old . Theres no way I was saying this wouldn't appeal to some adult . It wont appeal to the majority of 30+ year olds though and if it does appeal to someone of 35 good for them . Not every 35 year old reads comics and its seen by most 35 year old that they are immature if they do but if you enjoy it kudos to you .
What I was saying its far more unlikly to attract the 12 year old demographic that most people that are making critiscms think it will . Maybe if you learn to read whats actually written than make assumptions you will be able to make an informed and intelligent responce .
Some animated movies appeal to me as some are well done and offer something to the older viewer and some dont . At 12 years old I had lost interest in Disney but now I'll quite happily watch a disney movie .
Very reason I rarely enter the WoW forums . For some reason people here seam to be unable to grasp the simplest of discussions and resort to they type of unthinking post you've just made .
And you know that for sure how? do you know all 30+ mature guys who play WOW or just any other online games? you are just making up numbers here that is why it is hard to take anything you say seriously.
Howevern it is not just about reading comics that make you look childish and immature (that is what you think by the way not me). Same can be said for those who play online games. I can make up fake numbers too and say hey 'x' number of people think anyone who is 30+ and play vidoe games is childih and immature.
See how shallow and hypocrite it sounds? for someone who generalised entire WOW population who are looking forward to Panda race as 12 years old you should be the last person to complain about 'unthinkign post'. Goblas hit the nail on head and you should read and learn something from it.
I didn't say reading comics made someone look immature to me but it does appear that way to the majority of 35 year olds . fyi I still read them but these days it tends to be stuff by writers I like such as Alan Moore ,Neal Gaimen, Grant Morrison rather than following spacific companeys or characters . Again you really should learn to absorb what you read rather than make assumptions .
Theres a big difference between me saying I personally find people that read comics at 35 immature and saying the majority of 35 year olds find the 35 year olds that do immature . I don't find
And once again you get it wrong I said the 12 year olds are more unlikly to enjoy Pandas than very young players and adults .
12 year olds want to be seen to be growing up and are less likly to enjoy things they at 12 they percieve to be childish . Someone whos a biit older and has already grown up a bit it wont be so important to and thus they are for more likely to be acceptable to them . Let that germinate in the old gray matter for a bit and perhaps you'll finally get my point .
Pardon me! What is your source for saying the "magority" of 35 year olds? Your OPINION doesn't mean that that's what the magority think.
Obviously you've got some deeper issues about whether or not it's ok for an adult to read a comic. You had to justify your reading them by stating you only read based on specific authors. Guess what? I was readin those same guys when I was a teen and they were just starting out as writers in their early 20's.
Were are you getting this "12 year olds want to be seen as growing up" nonsense? Your single nephew doesn't represent every 12 year old! I know only one kid that tries to behaive like a grown up, and that's because her mother is a piece of crap and doesn't take care of her; every other preteen I know acts exactly like a preteen, and aren't trying to be seen as growing up.
A kid who THINKS they're grown up, isn't trying to be seen as a grown up. There's a diffirence. A preteen doesn't know what it means to be a grown up enough to even properly catogorize things as being grown up or childish. The same kid who may tell you that pandas are for kids, are probably still playing with dolls!
PS: You're only 27! What the hell do you know what a 35 year old thinks?
You really need a set of statistics to know that most 35 year olds dont read comics or play games . Get a life .
I'm 38 and I can't wait to kick some arse with my kung fu panda. I mean, it's just a game... and not a very serious one at that. Now, if CCP were to add panda dudes and ships with Hello Kitty stickers to EVE online, then I would make a big WTF?!? deal out of it since that would be completely out of place. But... this is WoW... I've been playing a cow-lady for years who turns in a cat, bear, tree, bird and a big fat owlthingy. Is being a panda really any different from that?
At the end of the day, it's about having fun where I'm concerned. Sometimes I have fun being really serious about Internet spaceships and make big spreadsheets about them. Then there are times I have fun being some cartoon person in a cartoon world. I doubt I'll be much different when I'm 80 and I don't need to prove anything to anyone about my maturity.
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
You really need a set of statistics to know that most 35 year olds dont read comics or play games . Get a life .
I didn't ask you for a statistic kid. I asked were a 27 year old gets the information that the magority of 35 year olds think somethings immature.
You don't know. You haven't lived long enough to know. You're not behaiving very maturely. Grow up. I'm smarter then you. My moms prettier your's. My dad can beat up your dad. And my grandmother kisses better then you do.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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These are statistics. These are what prove you have no clue what you are talking about, Razor. Especially since Immaturity has nothing to do with interests, it's how you act. Now if someone is 35, living in his moms basement without looking for work and reading comic books and playing games all day, that's probably immature. But someone who is 35 and finds video games and comic books enjoyable? I can't reasonably see how someone could consider that immature. Is it ok to watch superhero movies but not read superhero stories? And honestly, as someone who is out of his 20's, I can say I know very few people who find gaming immature. maybe people are more judgemental over the pond, or maybe you just know the wrong people?
You really need a set of statistics to know that most 35 year olds dont read comics or play games . Get a life .
I didn't ask you for a statistic kid. I asked were a 27 year old gets the information that the magority of 35 year olds think somethings immature.
You don't know. You haven't lived long enough to know. You're not behaiving very maturely. Grow up. I'm smarter then you. My moms prettier your's. My dad can beat up your dad. And my grandmother kisses better then you do.
Get your pills old man... Time to go to bed. Yes, Daddy says you can read some comics before going to sleep, that's OK.
You really need a set of statistics to know that most 35 year olds dont read comics or play games . Get a life .
I didn't ask you for a statistic kid. I asked were a 27 year old gets the information that the magority of 35 year olds think somethings immature.
You don't know. You haven't lived long enough to know. You're not behaiving very maturely. Grow up. I'm smarter then you. My moms prettier your's. My dad can beat up your dad. And my grandmother kisses better then you do.
No I'm just not rising to your attempts to bait me as your so obviously doing . Anyway did you read my orginal post ??? The crux of it is that I don't think the average 12 year old is Blizzard target demographic so the cristism I'm seeing about the Panda expansion from many people in these forums is incorrect . The 35 year old thing entered on later into the debate and it really has nothing to do with the thread .I actually said the Pandas would be more likly to be acceptable to older gamers but certainly not all .
Maybe you would like to get back onto topic instead of trying to score points and create and arguement . Actually if you look at CarryOns post he or she seams to be one of the few people who actually got what this thread is about and responded in an intellgent and thoughtful manner . You should read it you might learn something .
As for trying to draw me into a slanging match with you well it ain't gonna happen . Get a life
I see a lot of comments in these forums about Blizzard aiming this new expansion at the 12 year olds . Well I've got nephews of 11 and 12 years old and neither of them would want to play a game as a Panda partly because they would see it as a game for really young children . They are much more into things like Halo or Company of heroes .Things with a bit more grit and realism to them . My point is the average 12 year old boy at least would find a Panda very uncool and be a bit embarrised to play one or a game with one in and certainly would never tell thier friends about it because they would be teased mercilessly at school.
I did ask my 13 year old neice what she thought of it .she said they were "cute but a bit silly" so I'm not sure how female gamers of that age range would respond to it either .
So love or hate the Pandas its diffcult to see what demographic it would appeal to . Its hard to see a lot of mature older gamers wanting to play one so maybe Blizzard are trying to appeal to a very young market (younger than the 12+ rating). Or maybe its the asian market that love things like this .
Whoever it is . Its not the kids around the age of 12 .
I am thinking they are "pandering" to fans who wanted the Pandaren in game since release, but that's just me.
Pandaren ≠ kids
Pokémon might though... ;-)
Slightly off topic I am personally excited about both, I have enjoyed the almost cult like following the Pandaren had with warcraft and into world of warcraft and as collector I am looking forward to collecting and battling pets. Personally I just think all this (the people asking why me or raging) is much ado about nothing.
Because flying a Minmatar ship is like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an Uzi.
Pandas are silly! Cow-people, space squid goats, gnomes and purple elves with 1 metre long ears are not!
I guess cow people are close to minotaurs so no . Gnomes and elves are pretty standard fantasy races so no and space squid goats are silly but they arn't a playable race or the subject of a major expansion .
he was being sarcastic. saying pandas are silly, yet tauren, drenai, gnome and off color elf's with exceptionally long ears are...as a question.
fkin loved Ren and Stimpy long ago, plz insert Mr Horse as a playable race too, Blizzard!
You really need a set of statistics to know that most 35 year olds dont read comics or play games . Get a life .
I didn't ask you for a statistic kid. I asked were a 27 year old gets the information that the magority of 35 year olds think somethings immature.
You don't know. You haven't lived long enough to know. You're not behaiving very maturely. Grow up. I'm smarter then you. My moms prettier your's. My dad can beat up your dad. And my grandmother kisses better then you do.
No I'm just not rising to your attempts to bait me as your so obviously doing . Anyway did you read my orginal post ??? The crux of it is that I don't think the average 12 year old is Blizzard target demographic so the cristism I'm seeing about the Panda expansion from many people in these forums is incorrect . The 35 year old thing entered on later into the debate and it really has nothing to do with the thread .I actually said the Pandas would be more likly to be acceptable to older gamers but certainly not all .
Maybe you would like to get back onto topic instead of trying to score points and create and arguement . Actually if you look at CarryOns post he or she seams to be one of the few people who actually got what this thread is about and responded in an intellgent and thoughtful manner . You should read it you might learn something .
As for trying to draw me into a slanging match with you well it ain't gonna happen . Get a life
I did read the original, and then I read the nonsence you wrote about the magority of 35 year olds thinking it's immature to read comics, and then saw that you're only 27. As a 35 year old I couldn't help but wonder were a 20something seems get information about what people my age think.
A very large segment of WoW players have WANTED the pandaren to be added to WoW. People were upset when it didn't get added in one of the previous xpacs. It's not to cater to kids, it's to cater to the already existing playerbase, and a lot who aren't playing, who have been asking for this.
And I figure if you're going to insult people, and temper tantrums when someone disagrees with your rediculous opinion, I'd just have a conversation like I have with one of my young neices or nephews when they start acting awnry.
How about you save your discussion about what a 35 year old thinks when you're actually 35.
And once again you get it wrong I said the 12 year olds are more unlikly to enjoy Pandas than very young players and adults .
12 year olds want to be seen to be growing up and are less likly to enjoy things they at 12 they percieve to be childish . Someone whos a biit older and has already grown up a bit it wont be so important to and thus they are for more likely to be acceptable to them . Let that germinate in the old gray matter for a bit and perhaps you'll finally get my point .
Today's tweens embrace more opportunities to be a teen or even adult due to the tech and resources at their disposal, however they still are kids and enjoy exactly what one would expect a kid to enjoy. As a matter of fact, a lot of Nickelodeon's programming over ther past ten years has been redesigned and created specifically to cater to the tween audience which has been markedly ignored in years past due to the previous assumption that they either fell into the category of younger kids or teens. Regarding cartoons specifically, one of the most popular shows with tweens - past and present - has been Spongebob Squarepants, a show originally created for 6-11 year olds.
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Today's tweens embrace more opportunities to be a teen or even adult due to the tech and resources at their disposal, however they still are kids and enjoy exactly what one would expect a kid to enjoy. As a matter of fact, a lot of Nickelodeon's programming over ther past ten years has been redesigned and created specifically to cater to the tween audience which has been markedly ignored in years past due to the previous assumption that they either fell into the category of younger kids or teens. Regarding cartoons specifically, one of the most popular shows with tweens - past and present - has been Spongebob Squarepants, a show originally created for 6-11 year olds.
Today's tweens embrace more opportunities to be a teen or even adult due to the tech and resources at their disposal, however they still are kids and enjoy exactly what one would expect a kid to enjoy. As a matter of fact, a lot of Nickelodeon's programming over ther past ten years has been redesigned and created specifically to cater to the tween audience which has been markedly ignored in years past due to the previous assumption that they either fell into the category of younger kids or teens. Regarding cartoons specifically, one of the most popular shows with tweens - past and present - has been Spongebob Squarepants, a show originally created for 6-11 year olds.
I dont understand the hatred toward WoW and their art direction-- It follows suit.
I would be surprised if they come out with something dark and mature. Panda's? Not surprised at all. Im sure the customers playing wow will be happy that they have an expansion coming out.
I think this is the main problem with WoW. All the people there are little kids who hide behind the monitor talking shit. Actually its not just WoW, but the internet itself. The artwork of WoW was always ugly but back then there weren't many MMOs to enjoy. I hopped on the bandwagon like everyone else did. Now I despise the game because everyone is a prick, the same old story(grind grind grind) and nothing new really. Only a few changes here and there, that's not gonna cut it. If they make the game more and more inviting to younger players, you can bet I will never play WoW again.
Warbot, that was the most masterful derailment I have seen in months. Kudos to you, man!
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I don't have numbers but it looks like the western market kinda got bored of WoW. Western market is more demanding, people want new stuff, better stuff, improvements etc, Most people on these boards wait for GW2 or TOR or TSW or other stuff. Pretty much anyone i know who played WoW does not play it anymore because of the "same old" syndrome. Therefore, the asian market is very very very important to Blizzard. Try most asian mmo's, you'll find anime graphics, pandas etc. Seems that ppl there like sh*t like that, otherwise the asian devs would not put them in their games. Blizzard just plays along, i dont think it has anything to do with maturity.
Definitely trying to pull in more girls after seeing the videos. Not your usual demon frenzied lich king soul sucking kind of expansion which would appeal to a different type of person. But more women in the game = win win.
I'm 35, just turned 35 yesterday actually, and I stil read comics. I also draw and paint, so it kind of makes sense. Also, every person I know that draws still reads comics, and whenever I go in the comic shop I don't see kids, it's adults.
Know why I don't see kids in the comic shop? Cause kids don't read comics. They don't, that's why the comic industry has had so much trouble. Wanna know why adults read comics? Caue they were reading them as kids. Something tells me that the young adults I see in Barnes and Nobles every weekend, looking through the manga section aren't going to stop reading them cause they hit a specific age. Here's a bit of reality, if you're 20something and reading comics, you're probably going to be doing the same thing at 30something.
You do realize that there are comic books gears specifically for adults. Just because someone put a word ballon in a drawing doesn't automatically religate it to the childrens market.
When have you ever seen a kid spend a thousand dollars on a comic book?
Where do you get the idea that "most" 35 year olds think it's immature to read a comic? There isn't a single adult that I know that thinks I'm immature. Not to mention I have adults on a weekly basis asking me to paint stuff for them, and they aren't asking for landscapes.
Did you know that I don't know a single kid that does LARP's. I first learned about them when my boy was in college and he started playing Vampire masquerade with a girl he was dating. About a year ago a girl tried to pick me up, and invited me to come to a medival LARP thing with her. The girl at the comic shop was talking to me about her 50 year old father who does LARP's. Grown people playing dress up, and you think that adults think comics are immature?
Know what most adults do find immature though? When someone gets pissy because someone else disagreed with them.
BTW, all my nieces and nephiews, and I have 11 of them, think pandas are cool, and my girls 15 year old son does to. And Kung Fu Panda is one of my favorite movies. And my little pony blows. Pokemon sucks, but I'm tempted to get this Xpac when it comes out so I can play battle pets.
PS: I play a game were I fly around in tights, another one were I'm a frog, and another were I run around as a cartoon guy shooting other people.
I didn't say reading comics made someone look immature to me but it does appear that way to the majority of 35 year olds . fyi I still read them but these days it tends to be stuff by writers I like such as Alan Moore ,Neal Gaimen, Grant Morrison rather than following spacific companeys or characters . Again you really should learn to absorb what you read rather than make assumptions .
Theres a big difference between me saying I personally find people that read comics at 35 immature and saying the majority of 35 year olds find the 35 year olds that do immature . I don't find
And once again you get it wrong I said the 12 year olds are more unlikly to enjoy Pandas than very young players and adults .
12 year olds want to be seen to be growing up and are less likly to enjoy things they at 12 they percieve to be childish . Someone whos a biit older and has already grown up a bit it wont be so important to and thus they are for more likely to be acceptable to them . Let that germinate in the old gray matter for a bit and perhaps you'll finally get my point .
Pardon me! What is your source for saying the "magority" of 35 year olds? Your OPINION doesn't mean that that's what the magority think.
Obviously you've got some deeper issues about whether or not it's ok for an adult to read a comic. You had to justify your reading them by stating you only read based on specific authors. Guess what? I was readin those same guys when I was a teen and they were just starting out as writers in their early 20's.
Were are you getting this "12 year olds want to be seen as growing up" nonsense? Your single nephew doesn't represent every 12 year old! I know only one kid that tries to behaive like a grown up, and that's because her mother is a piece of crap and doesn't take care of her; every other preteen I know acts exactly like a preteen, and aren't trying to be seen as growing up.
A kid who THINKS they're grown up, isn't trying to be seen as a grown up. There's a diffirence. A preteen doesn't know what it means to be a grown up enough to even properly catogorize things as being grown up or childish. The same kid who may tell you that pandas are for kids, are probably still playing with dolls!
PS: You're only 27! What the hell do you know what a 35 year old thinks?
Personally I play games to have fun. Not because I need to prove anything. I think a game should have dark serious world that can sometimes be cruel and violent. No cartoons or silly jokes related to pop culture.
Its certainly about personal taste. And some people want games that are more serious. And some adults would like some content that would be bad for young children. Not that the whole game should focus on that. But sometimes it makes the game and its story more interesting.
Playing a game with content that is harmless and good for children will of course also prove nothing. If you think its fun its good for you. Other people have different taste and are looking for a different experience. Thats the way it is. WoW is big. But its not for everyone. When they try to target the biggest possible audience there are some things they cant do. They cant afford to offend anyone or include content that is bad for children. Someone that targets a smaller and limited audience can obviously do more and give that audience what it wants. But such games will probably never be as big as WoW even if they are very good.
You really need a set of statistics to know that most 35 year olds dont read comics or play games . Get a life .
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I'm 38 and I can't wait to kick some arse with my kung fu panda. I mean, it's just a game... and not a very serious one at that. Now, if CCP were to add panda dudes and ships with Hello Kitty stickers to EVE online, then I would make a big WTF?!? deal out of it since that would be completely out of place. But... this is WoW... I've been playing a cow-lady for years who turns in a cat, bear, tree, bird and a big fat owlthingy. Is being a panda really any different from that?
At the end of the day, it's about having fun where I'm concerned. Sometimes I have fun being really serious about Internet spaceships and make big spreadsheets about them. Then there are times I have fun being some cartoon person in a cartoon world. I doubt I'll be much different when I'm 80 and I don't need to prove anything to anyone about my maturity.
I'm a big ol' fluffy carewolf. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
I didn't ask you for a statistic kid. I asked were a 27 year old gets the information that the magority of 35 year olds think somethings immature.
You don't know. You haven't lived long enough to know. You're not behaiving very maturely. Grow up. I'm smarter then you. My moms prettier your's. My dad can beat up your dad. And my grandmother kisses better then you do.
There are those who take their MMORPG gaming too seriously, and then those who play WOW.
For the latter group they won't have any problems accepting Panda's into the game's lore.
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These are statistics. These are what prove you have no clue what you are talking about, Razor. Especially since Immaturity has nothing to do with interests, it's how you act. Now if someone is 35, living in his moms basement without looking for work and reading comic books and playing games all day, that's probably immature. But someone who is 35 and finds video games and comic books enjoyable? I can't reasonably see how someone could consider that immature. Is it ok to watch superhero movies but not read superhero stories? And honestly, as someone who is out of his 20's, I can say I know very few people who find gaming immature. maybe people are more judgemental over the pond, or maybe you just know the wrong people?
Get your pills old man... Time to go to bed. Yes, Daddy says you can read some comics before going to sleep, that's OK.
No I'm just not rising to your attempts to bait me as your so obviously doing . Anyway did you read my orginal post ??? The crux of it is that I don't think the average 12 year old is Blizzard target demographic so the cristism I'm seeing about the Panda expansion from many people in these forums is incorrect . The 35 year old thing entered on later into the debate and it really has nothing to do with the thread .I actually said the Pandas would be more likly to be acceptable to older gamers but certainly not all .
Maybe you would like to get back onto topic instead of trying to score points and create and arguement . Actually if you look at CarryOns post he or she seams to be one of the few people who actually got what this thread is about and responded in an intellgent and thoughtful manner . You should read it you might learn something .
As for trying to draw me into a slanging match with you well it ain't gonna happen . Get a life
I am thinking they are "pandering" to fans who wanted the Pandaren in game since release, but that's just me.
Pandaren ≠ kids
Pokémon might though... ;-)
Slightly off topic I am personally excited about both, I have enjoyed the almost cult like following the Pandaren had with warcraft and into world of warcraft and as collector I am looking forward to collecting and battling pets. Personally I just think all this (the people asking why me or raging) is much ado about nothing.
Because flying a Minmatar ship is like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair while firing an Uzi.
NO SIR!!!..I don't like it!!!.
I did read the original, and then I read the nonsence you wrote about the magority of 35 year olds thinking it's immature to read comics, and then saw that you're only 27. As a 35 year old I couldn't help but wonder were a 20something seems get information about what people my age think.
A very large segment of WoW players have WANTED the pandaren to be added to WoW. People were upset when it didn't get added in one of the previous xpacs. It's not to cater to kids, it's to cater to the already existing playerbase, and a lot who aren't playing, who have been asking for this.
And I figure if you're going to insult people, and temper tantrums when someone disagrees with your rediculous opinion, I'd just have a conversation like I have with one of my young neices or nephews when they start acting awnry.
How about you save your discussion about what a 35 year old thinks when you're actually 35.
Today's tweens embrace more opportunities to be a teen or even adult due to the tech and resources at their disposal, however they still are kids and enjoy exactly what one would expect a kid to enjoy. As a matter of fact, a lot of Nickelodeon's programming over ther past ten years has been redesigned and created specifically to cater to the tween audience which has been markedly ignored in years past due to the previous assumption that they either fell into the category of younger kids or teens. Regarding cartoons specifically, one of the most popular shows with tweens - past and present - has been Spongebob Squarepants, a show originally created for 6-11 year olds.
Shelf the insults and do some research.
IMO, Blizzard knows their audience rather well.
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Agreed, pandas, turtles, dinosaurs and Hanna Montana all works for tweens.
it's funny, cause I swear that My Little Pony is being pandered towards people the OP's age!
What does it mean when 12 year olds want to be adults, and 20somethings are all watching MLP?
Warcraft hasn't upgraded or degraded or altered their art style or story telling direction since WarCraft II.
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
I dont understand the hatred toward WoW and their art direction-- It follows suit.
I would be surprised if they come out with something dark and mature. Panda's? Not surprised at all. Im sure the customers playing wow will be happy that they have an expansion coming out.
I think this is the main problem with WoW. All the people there are little kids who hide behind the monitor talking shit. Actually its not just WoW, but the internet itself. The artwork of WoW was always ugly but back then there weren't many MMOs to enjoy. I hopped on the bandwagon like everyone else did. Now I despise the game because everyone is a prick, the same old story(grind grind grind) and nothing new really. Only a few changes here and there, that's not gonna cut it. If they make the game more and more inviting to younger players, you can bet I will never play WoW again.
I'm 19 and I wanna play a Panda in WoW.
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Warbot, that was the most masterful derailment I have seen in months. Kudos to you, man!
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre