It's ridicilous and franky a bit childish to think you can judge a person's maturity based on what games they play.
Completely agree, but I think the real backlash about the Pandarians by those who are or used to be fans of wow, is that Blizzard IS pandering (sorry) to the more image obsessed, sparkle pony buying, casual gamers, with grimcrackery and new easier game mechanics, that even many diehard Blizzard fans find sickening.
For those of us Blizzard fans that have been around since the days of Lost Vikings and Blackthorne, seeing their games turn to this uneeded cotton candy pap, can be likened to the comparision between the television show Saturday Night Live of the 1970s and now.
That's exactly the comparison I've been trying to illustrate. Nailed it perfectly.
There are so many other parts of the new expansion that are wrong.. yet panda is what sticks out to most...
Its pretty sad when the gaming crowd has degenerated into such lowly beings where their 'values' for a game depend on something looking way to 'kiddie' as a 'I won't play it' point... here I was thinking video games were on a decline and people realized what it was. Seems like the decline to them is not enough idoitic senseless killing, to much story to boggle fragileminds, and not enough spuratic and kill happy scenarios in all new 'thousand shades of gray' technology.
To think I did want to work on games in my life. Guess I stick to indie games cause I'll never make a game I can look at with a straight face if we are really following along such blind and mindless drones being the driving force of the industry.
I see a lot of comments in these forums about Blizzard aiming this new expansion at the 12 year olds . Well I've got nephews of 11 and 12 years old and neither of them would want to play a game as a Panda partly because they would see it as a game for really young children . They are much more into things like Halo or Company of heroes .Things with a bit more grit and realism to them . My point is the average 12 year old boy at least would find a Panda very uncool and be a bit embarrised to play one or a game with one in and certainly would never tell thier friends about it because they would be teased mercilessly at school.
I did ask my 13 year old neice what she thought of it .she said they were "cute but a bit silly" so I'm not sure how female gamers of that age range would respond to it either .
So love or hate the Pandas its diffcult to see what demographic it would appeal to . Its hard to see a lot of mature older gamers wanting to play one so maybe Blizzard are trying to appeal to a very young market (younger than the 12+ rating). Or maybe its the asian market that love things like this .
Whoever it is . Its not the kids around the age of 12 .
Halo and Company of heroes grit and realistic?
We definately have diffrent definition of those.
Games like Halo, CoH, Call of Duty,GTA or Dragon Age 2 ARE what I call games that are targeted at young teenagers (sorry if anyone feel offended).
While many of those games are tagged by ESRB as for "Mature" or even "Adult-only". It is no secret to anyone that many very young people play them, as real control over selling it is close to non-existant. Hah what's more - I saw many times on my own eyes when parents bought games like GTA for their children
WoW especially current WoW is also imho targetted for young teenagers. While at beggining WoW was made for 'everyone' and to an extent it still is, shortly after vanilla I saw Blizz target WoW bit by bit for younger and younger gamers of course imho.
Want to know what games I consider targetted mostly or also for "mature" crowd? Not so much.
While games like Halo, CoD, GTA , Dragon Age 2 or Diablo are not targetted at mature crowd even though they might be bloody / violent.
Hope you see diffrence.
WoW certainly is not for mature crowd anymore as well imho.
Vanilla WoW was imho like 'family game' for various ages. With additions of all "sillly", and "teh epic" (pauldrons anyone?) stuff over years in my very subjective personal opinion it was catering more and more for younger player.
I think most people like myself find the Kung-fu panda thing silly irregardless of the other features of the expansion coming out. Im sure Blizzard knew this when they began working on the project and told themselves to roll with th punches so to speak. Most people who play the game are emitting a deep *sigh* and sucking it up because they enjoy playing the game.
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It's ridicilous and franky a bit childish to think you can judge a person's maturity based on what games they play.
Completely agree, but I think the real backlash about the Pandarians by those who are or used to be fans of wow, is that Blizzard IS pandering (sorry) to the more image obsessed, sparkle pony buying, casual gamers, with grimcrackery and new easier game mechanics, that even many diehard Blizzard fans find sickening.
For those of us Blizzard fans that have been around since the days of Lost Vikings and Blackthorne, seeing their games turn to this uneeded cotton candy pap, can be likened to the comparision between the television show Saturday Night Live of the 1970s and now.
Here's were things kind of break down.
Casual, and "younger markets" are rather the same. Games that take a more "mature" aproach tend to be a little more "hardcore".
The Battlefield games, to me at least, are a bit more of a mature, tactical shooter then the recent Call of Duty games. Most people I know that play both or just BF or CoD, take BF more seriously then they do CoD. That's not to say there aren't serious CoD players out there, I knew a few myself. Just that the BF games are more of a squad based, working together style, while CoD is more run around and flex your shooter skills. That, and people always seem more pissed off, and yelling all the time to work together in the BF games when I play, and the CoD guys are usually just smack talking each other, or it's some kid calling someone the N word.
if you can market something towards a kid, you can market it towards a casual gamer as well. They kind of have the same play capicity. Hop in, play for a limitted amount of time, and want to feel like they're achieving something in that little time.
The battle pets thing doesn't entirely arise from childrens games, it's based on TCG. From the info I've seen about it, it's even going to work a lot like a TCG. Sure, kids are going to be the most suseptable to pokemon marketting, but not exclusive to it. Pokemon, afterall, is a take on TCG's that came out before them, and they had roots in ADULT gaming. Albeit young adults, but adults none the less. I was playing Magic the Gathering in my early 20's; not my teens.
WoW has always been marketted towards kids AND young adults. Even more, it's been marketted towards CASUAL GAMERS; that's been Blizzards MO since day one.
Just because a kid sees pandas, doesn't mean mom and dad are going to fork over 15 dollars a month so their kid can play a game over the internet.
It's for the FANS THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THE PANDERANS to be added to the game. Ogres and the panda, the two races people have been asking for since before the first xpac.
Battle pets are perfect! I collected the hell out of the pets, had dozens of them. Spent days killing welps and oozes in the hopes of getting one of the rare pets. Now they have a real purpose that doesn't effect the rest of the game. The only people I knew that invested time in collecting those stupid pets were other adults. Now they can sell them to the kids on the AH.
A dose of reality for some of you. I feel like some of you may think that when you get out of your 20's and into your 30's youre going to magically transform into some other person. You won't; don't worry. Whatever you're doing now, whether it be comics, video games, or smoking pot, you'll very likely be doing when you're my age as well. You'll just be a little older, and hopefully a little wiser when you do those things.
I ran a guild of almost 200 people, the number of "kids" that were in my guild could be counted on one hand. Most of those adults still play, and a lot of them will play as a panda; especially the WOMEN. Most people playing MMO's ARE NOT PRETEENS, and you all know it, cause you've all been playing with people relatively close to your age or older.
And for the record, people in their early 20's aren't any more mature then teenagers; that's why you think it's a bunch of kids playing WoW.
It's ridicilous and franky a bit childish to think you can judge a person's maturity based on what games they play.
Completely agree, but I think the real backlash about the Pandarians by those who are or used to be fans of wow, is that Blizzard IS pandering (sorry) to the more image obsessed, sparkle pony buying, casual gamers, with grimcrackery and new easier game mechanics, that even many diehard Blizzard fans find sickening.
For those of us Blizzard fans that have been around since the days of Lost Vikings and Blackthorne, seeing their games turn to this uneeded cotton candy pap, can be likened to the comparision between the television show Saturday Night Live of the 1970s and now.
Here's were things kind of break down.
Casual, and "younger markets" are rather the same. Games that take a more "mature" aproach tend to be a little more "hardcore".
The Battlefield games, to me at least, are a bit more of a mature, tactical shooter then the recent Call of Duty games. Most people I know that play both or just BF or CoD, take BF more seriously then they do CoD. That's not to say there aren't serious CoD players out there, I knew a few myself. Just that the BF games are more of a squad based, working together style, while CoD is more run around and flex your shooter skills. That, and people always seem more pissed off, and yelling all the time to work together in the BF games when I play, and the CoD guys are usually just smack talking each other, or it's some kid calling someone the N word.
if you can market something towards a kid, you can market it towards a casual gamer as well. They kind of have the same play capicity. Hop in, play for a limitted amount of time, and want to feel like they're achieving something in that little time.
The battle pets thing doesn't entirely arise from childrens games, it's based on TCG. From the info I've seen about it, it's even going to work a lot like a TCG. Sure, kids are going to be the most suseptable to pokemon marketting, but not exclusive to it. Pokemon, afterall, is a take on TCG's that came out before them, and they had roots in ADULT gaming. Albeit young adults, but adults none the less. I was playing Magic the Gathering in my early 20's; not my teens.
WoW has always been marketted towards kids AND young adults. Even more, it's been marketted towards CASUAL GAMERS; that's been Blizzards MO since day one.
Just because a kid sees pandas, doesn't mean mom and dad are going to fork over 15 dollars a month so their kid can play a game over the internet.
It's for the FANS THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THE PANDERANS to be added to the game. Ogres and the panda, the two races people have been asking for since before the first xpac.
Battle pets are perfect! I collected the hell out of the pets, had dozens of them. Spent days killing welps and oozes in the hopes of getting one of the rare pets. Now they have a real purpose that doesn't effect the rest of the game. The only people I knew that invested time in collecting those stupid pets were other adults. Now they can sell them to the kids on the AH.
A dose of reality for some of you. I feel like some of you may think that when you get out of your 20's and into your 30's youre going to magically transform into some other person. You won't; don't worry. Whatever you're doing now, whether it be comics, video games, or smoking pot, you'll very likely be doing when you're my age as well. You'll just be a little older, and hopefully a little wiser when you do those things.
I ran a guild of almost 200 people, the number of "kids" that were in my guild could be counted on one hand. Most of those adults still play, and a lot of them will play as a panda; especially the WOMEN. Most people playing MMO's ARE NOT PRETEENS, and you all know it, cause you've all been playing with people relatively close to your age or older.
And for the record, people in their early 20's aren't any more mature then teenagers; that's why you think it's a bunch of kids playing WoW.
Holy crap a voice of reason and logic in this thread... whatever will the trolls here do?
I guess cow people are close to minotaurs so no . Gnomes and elves are pretty standard fantasy races so no and space squid goats are silly but they arn't a playable race or the subject of a major expansion .Space goats are next just wait until 2012 i swear.
It's ridicilous and franky a bit childish to think you can judge a person's maturity based on what games they play.
Completely agree, but I think the real backlash about the Pandarians by those who are or used to be fans of wow, is that Blizzard IS pandering (sorry) to the more image obsessed, sparkle pony buying, casual gamers, with grimcrackery and new easier game mechanics, that even many diehard Blizzard fans find sickening.
For those of us Blizzard fans that have been around since the days of Lost Vikings and Blackthorne, seeing their games turn to this uneeded cotton candy pap, can be likened to the comparision between the television show Saturday Night Live of the 1970s and now.
Here's were things kind of break down.
Casual, and "younger markets" are rather the same. Games that take a more "mature" aproach tend to be a little more "hardcore".
The Battlefield games, to me at least, are a bit more of a mature, tactical shooter then the recent Call of Duty games. Most people I know that play both or just BF or CoD, take BF more seriously then they do CoD. That's not to say there aren't serious CoD players out there, I knew a few myself. Just that the BF games are more of a squad based, working together style, while CoD is more run around and flex your shooter skills. That, and people always seem more pissed off, and yelling all the time to work together in the BF games when I play, and the CoD guys are usually just smack talking each other, or it's some kid calling someone the N word.
if you can market something towards a kid, you can market it towards a casual gamer as well. They kind of have the same play capicity. Hop in, play for a limitted amount of time, and want to feel like they're achieving something in that little time.
The battle pets thing doesn't entirely arise from childrens games, it's based on TCG. From the info I've seen about it, it's even going to work a lot like a TCG. Sure, kids are going to be the most suseptable to pokemon marketting, but not exclusive to it. Pokemon, afterall, is a take on TCG's that came out before them, and they had roots in ADULT gaming. Albeit young adults, but adults none the less. I was playing Magic the Gathering in my early 20's; not my teens.
WoW has always been marketted towards kids AND young adults. Even more, it's been marketted towards CASUAL GAMERS; that's been Blizzards MO since day one.
Just because a kid sees pandas, doesn't mean mom and dad are going to fork over 15 dollars a month so their kid can play a game over the internet.
It's for the FANS THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THE PANDERANS to be added to the game. Ogres and the panda, the two races people have been asking for since before the first xpac.
Battle pets are perfect! I collected the hell out of the pets, had dozens of them. Spent days killing welps and oozes in the hopes of getting one of the rare pets. Now they have a real purpose that doesn't effect the rest of the game. The only people I knew that invested time in collecting those stupid pets were other adults. Now they can sell them to the kids on the AH.
A dose of reality for some of you. I feel like some of you may think that when you get out of your 20's and into your 30's youre going to magically transform into some other person. You won't; don't worry. Whatever you're doing now, whether it be comics, video games, or smoking pot, you'll very likely be doing when you're my age as well. You'll just be a little older, and hopefully a little wiser when you do those things.
I ran a guild of almost 200 people, the number of "kids" that were in my guild could be counted on one hand. Most of those adults still play, and a lot of them will play as a panda; especially the WOMEN. Most people playing MMO's ARE NOT PRETEENS, and you all know it, cause you've all been playing with people relatively close to your age or older.
And for the record, people in their early 20's aren't any more mature then teenagers; that's why you think it's a bunch of kids playing WoW.
Well you're right. Most of the time anyway.
Pandas, giant pauldrons, 'pokemon pets', rocket as a mount, etc - is fun to many children AND young (and not only) adults as well.
As for Magic the Gathering - I played for a very short time myself and most of the players were either in elementary / lower high school OR in early twenties. Those both groups consisted of around 90% of players I saw that played MtG at local shop that had MtG cards, Warhammer miniatures,etc
Still while I was ok with Vanilla WoW I could not stand what WoW changed later on and what evolved into. It became more streamlined, casual and silly all at same time.
I learned one thing from it.
When you're player that does not like sillysness, casualising and all of those things people complain in topics frequently ONLY thing you can do is LEAVE WoW and games like WoW permanently. Seriously, as past shows no amount of raging, cursing, whining or asking, discussing and begging will change how game will change.
Of course enough amount of 'rage' and 'buzz' can postphone or accelerate or modify some decisions, but it won't change general direction off game design and development. Why?
Because you're still there, you CARE and you PAY.
So to all of people that don't like WoW (and many similar changes in some ther games) changes.
Suck it up OR leave game permanently.
Staying and paying or leaving it for a while and then coming back with next expansion, won't change a thing.
Of course when you leave game it won't be changed for you either.
It will allow you to find other better suited for your tastes game though.
Well there is possibility of staying and bitching / begging on forums as well. It won't work though.
As long as thousands and thousands of people make individual decisions of sucking it up or venting on forums but staying and paying - from Blizzard perspective it is ALL GOOD.
I guess cow people are close to minotaurs so no . Gnomes and elves are pretty standard fantasy races so no and space squid goats are silly but they arn't a playable race or the subject of a major expansion .Space goats are next just wait until 2012 i swear.
Do you always quote statements made by others as if it were your original thought? Even worse - a statement that has already been successfully countered, chewed up, and spit out on the road?
Originally posted by Slampig
Originally posted by OkhamsRazor
Originally posted by Kaerigan
Pandas are silly! Cow-people, space squid goats, gnomes and purple elves with 1 metre long ears are not!
I guess cow people are close to minotaurs so no . Gnomes and elves are pretty standard fantasy races so no and space squid goats are silly but they arn't a playable race or the subject of a major expansion .
It's ridicilous and franky a bit childish to think you can judge a person's maturity based on what games they play.
Completely agree, but I think the real backlash about the Pandarians by those who are or used to be fans of wow, is that Blizzard IS pandering (sorry) to the more image obsessed, sparkle pony buying, casual gamers, with grimcrackery and new easier game mechanics, that even many diehard Blizzard fans find sickening.
For those of us Blizzard fans that have been around since the days of Lost Vikings and Blackthorne, seeing their games turn to this uneeded cotton candy pap, can be likened to the comparision between the television show Saturday Night Live of the 1970s and now.
Here's were things kind of break down.
Casual, and "younger markets" are rather the same. Games that take a more "mature" aproach tend to be a little more "hardcore".
The Battlefield games, to me at least, are a bit more of a mature, tactical shooter then the recent Call of Duty games. Most people I know that play both or just BF or CoD, take BF more seriously then they do CoD. That's not to say there aren't serious CoD players out there, I knew a few myself. Just that the BF games are more of a squad based, working together style, while CoD is more run around and flex your shooter skills. That, and people always seem more pissed off, and yelling all the time to work together in the BF games when I play, and the CoD guys are usually just smack talking each other, or it's some kid calling someone the N word.
if you can market something towards a kid, you can market it towards a casual gamer as well. They kind of have the same play capicity. Hop in, play for a limitted amount of time, and want to feel like they're achieving something in that little time.
The battle pets thing doesn't entirely arise from childrens games, it's based on TCG. From the info I've seen about it, it's even going to work a lot like a TCG. Sure, kids are going to be the most suseptable to pokemon marketting, but not exclusive to it. Pokemon, afterall, is a take on TCG's that came out before them, and they had roots in ADULT gaming. Albeit young adults, but adults none the less. I was playing Magic the Gathering in my early 20's; not my teens.
WoW has always been marketted towards kids AND young adults. Even more, it's been marketted towards CASUAL GAMERS; that's been Blizzards MO since day one.
I haven't seen any study or data to support that Casual correlates to Younger or that Mature has any relevance to Harcore. I also am intersted where 'Older' fits into your equation. In either case, the Casual Gamer, by even the most loosely established definition, is often a subset containing mostly older gamers. It was odd to see someone state 'casual' and 'younger' had any kind of intrinsic connection.
According to the Daedelus Project, the average age of the WOW player was 28 in 2005. What you're suggesting is that this has changed and that millions of players ange 18+ have either moved on to 'mature MMOs' or left MMOs altogether.
What MMOs do you feel the older gamers moved on to?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
this as a playable race is abominable honestly, no defence will ever convience the mass of people who think that this just looks wrong that it is ok. I mean come on, seriously, Pandarian Death Knight?
I can see people thinking some other races are silly but I am sorry not on the same level. I mean I remember being sketched out by worgen's cause of twilight fans, but this... WoW
Not saying it is kiddie, or "kung fu panda-ish" (I think that is ignorent) but i does not fit in with azeroth at all, maybe as an NPC, like the ethreals but as a playable race hell no. Picture it in high end gear. It's gonna look so dumb/awkward.
It's ridicilous and franky a bit childish to think you can judge a person's maturity based on what games they play.
Completely agree, but I think the real backlash about the Pandarians by those who are or used to be fans of wow, is that Blizzard IS pandering (sorry) to the more image obsessed, sparkle pony buying, casual gamers, with grimcrackery and new easier game mechanics, that even many diehard Blizzard fans find sickening.
For those of us Blizzard fans that have been around since the days of Lost Vikings and Blackthorne, seeing their games turn to this uneeded cotton candy pap, can be likened to the comparision between the television show Saturday Night Live of the 1970s and now.
I am one of those looooong time Blizzard fans. I bought vanilla WoW at release, I bought every expansion, I played Warcraft RTS games, Frozen Throne, Diablo, Diablo 2 Lord of Destruction Online and loved them ALL.....I LOVED Blizzard.
I'm actually more upset by what they've done in simplifying talent points (regardless of "how great" it's going to work)....I hate all the over simplification that has come since vanilla WoW. If I could go back to playing the game like it was in its second year even, with the community it had back then.....I'd play it again. But that will never happen. And expansions like this one.....I frankly find repulsive. The Pokemon thing included. To me....it's all bad.
Just because a race has appeared in the past lore and has been used as an April Fool's joke, doesn't mean it should be made into a playable race. Yay for the people that wanted it, but THIS long time Blizzard fan has grown weary of what has been done to this game. That's just me, but I have an idea that I'm probably not the only one that feels this way and I won't be buying THIS expansion.
The OP is correct and I dont think he was talking about maturity in any way. He's just saying most 12 year olds would think Pandas in a fantasy game are pretty lame. And he's right. The idea itself is pretty funny. As if Blizzard were making a joke. Which in fact? THEY DID:
Click that. It was an Aprils Fools joke. See that? Why? Because its funny. Oh hahahaha......they made a joke about putting walking talking fighting pandas in Warcraft. Hahahaha....funny.
That is....until they actually DID IT. Then it suddenly wasnt so funny anymore. As for those of you actually taking this seriously and defending it? Whats wrong with you? It was a JOKE. Because its actually that rediculous. Blizzard thought it was rediculous. Thus the Aprils Fools joke.
At this point Im absolutely certain that some of you would eat up anything Blizzard threw at you.
Some time ago back at the Blizzard offices:
" Hey remember that stupid Aprils fools joke we did for Warcraft 3 ? "
"Yea, what about it? "
"Lets actually put that in the game as the next expansion! "
"Hahaha....what? You're serious? Really "
"Yea, of course I am. WoW fanatics will play anything. It doesnt really matter what we do. Lets do it. I know its hilarious but lets see if it actually works. I bet you they'll go for it. They'll go for anything. "
"Well.....Okay. Lets do it. Man....it would be hilarious if they actually bought into this. But you're probably right. Its like we dont even have to try anymore "
Well pretty soon Star Wars will be here and most of us will migrate their and I have a feeling stay there
I'm sure I'll migrate there, barring any major surprises. As for staying there, I hope so.
I look forward to the reaction to the expansion with the playable Jar-Jar race.
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein "Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
<blockquote> <br /> <blockquote> <b><i>Originally posted by Slampig</i><br /> </b> <blockquote> <b><b><i>Originally posted by OkhamsRazor</i></b><br /> </b> <blockquote> <b><b><b><i>Originally posted by Kaerigan</i></b></b><br /> </b> <p><b><b><b><b>Pandas are silly! Cow-people, space squid goats, gnomes and purple elves with 1 metre long ears are not!</b></b></b></b></p> </blockquote> <p><b><b><b>I guess cow people are close to minotaurs so no . Gnomes and elves are pretty standard fantasy races so no and <span style="color: #ff0000">space squid goats are silly but they arn't a playable race</span> or the subject of a major expansion .</b></b></b></p> <p><b><b><b> </b></b></b></p> </blockquote> <p><b><b> </b></b></p> <p><b><b>Playable since Burning Crusade...</b></b></p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>Proof that our player base stopped caring about stories and lore a long time ago...</p>
I'm sure I'll migrate there, barring any major surprises. As for staying there, I hope so.
I look forward to the reaction to the expansion with the playable Jar-Jar race.
Lol, well said.
Not that it excuse any pandas of course, it seems to me that 95% of all MMOs are aiming on small kids for players. 25% would be fine but too many gets silly after a while.
I'm sure I'll migrate there, barring any major surprises. As for staying there, I hope so.
I look forward to the reaction to the expansion with the playable Jar-Jar race.
Lol, well said.
Not that it excuse any pandas of course, it seems to me that 95% of all MMOs are aiming on small kids for players. 25% would be fine but too many gets silly after a while.
It sure seems that way. But with the average gamer being in his or her 30s these days, thats not really what Id call a sound business strategy.
I'm sure I'll migrate there, barring any major surprises. As for staying there, I hope so.
I look forward to the reaction to the expansion with the playable Jar-Jar race.
Lol, well said.
Not that it excuse any pandas of course, it seems to me that 95% of all MMOs are aiming on small kids for players. 25% would be fine but too many gets silly after a while.
It sure seems that way. But with the average gamer being in his or her 30s these days, thats not really what Id call a sound business strategy.
I think marketing is aiming at the facebook crowd, since those "games" pull in ridiculous amounts of children and people that aren't really considered gamers.
its really amazing that most of the gaming community can't see the real reason behind the release of the panda class in the next expansion
the current WoW player base is slowly going into burn out mode , fatiqued from lack of game content so instead of trying to hang on to a player base that is slowly dying they will be reaching out to a new void of potential players from the East
the Panda highly regarded in chinese heritage and with a potential player base to surpass current members its a profitable move on their behalf so just get over it in less than a year you will be boasting about your level 90 panda monk with the inner peace killer moves
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That's exactly the comparison I've been trying to illustrate. Nailed it perfectly.
There are so many other parts of the new expansion that are wrong.. yet panda is what sticks out to most...
Its pretty sad when the gaming crowd has degenerated into such lowly beings where their 'values' for a game depend on something looking way to 'kiddie' as a 'I won't play it' point... here I was thinking video games were on a decline and people realized what it was. Seems like the decline to them is not enough idoitic senseless killing, to much story to boggle fragileminds, and not enough spuratic and kill happy scenarios in all new 'thousand shades of gray' technology.
To think I did want to work on games in my life. Guess I stick to indie games cause I'll never make a game I can look at with a straight face if we are really following along such blind and mindless drones being the driving force of the industry.
Halo and Company of heroes grit and realistic?
We definately have diffrent definition of those.
Games like Halo, CoH, Call of Duty,GTA or Dragon Age 2 ARE what I call games that are targeted at young teenagers (sorry if anyone feel offended).
While many of those games are tagged by ESRB as for "Mature" or even "Adult-only". It is no secret to anyone that many very young people play them, as real control over selling it is close to non-existant. Hah what's more - I saw many times on my own eyes when parents bought games like GTA for their children
WoW especially current WoW is also imho targetted for young teenagers. While at beggining WoW was made for 'everyone' and to an extent it still is, shortly after vanilla I saw Blizz target WoW bit by bit for younger and younger gamers of course imho.
Want to know what games I consider targetted mostly or also for "mature" crowd? Not so much.
Maybe Fallout 1 & 2 (NOT Fallout 3), Arcanum, DAoC, SWG, Deus-ex or Civilisation.
While games like Halo, CoD, GTA , Dragon Age 2 or Diablo are not targetted at mature crowd even though they might be bloody / violent.
Hope you see diffrence.
WoW certainly is not for mature crowd anymore as well imho.
Vanilla WoW was imho like 'family game' for various ages. With additions of all "sillly", and "teh epic" (pauldrons anyone?) stuff over years in my very subjective personal opinion it was catering more and more for younger player.
It deffo follows with new expasnion.
I think most people like myself find the Kung-fu panda thing silly irregardless of the other features of the expansion coming out. Im sure Blizzard knew this when they began working on the project and told themselves to roll with th punches so to speak. Most people who play the game are emitting a deep *sigh* and sucking it up because they enjoy playing the game.
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Here's were things kind of break down.
Casual, and "younger markets" are rather the same. Games that take a more "mature" aproach tend to be a little more "hardcore".
The Battlefield games, to me at least, are a bit more of a mature, tactical shooter then the recent Call of Duty games. Most people I know that play both or just BF or CoD, take BF more seriously then they do CoD. That's not to say there aren't serious CoD players out there, I knew a few myself. Just that the BF games are more of a squad based, working together style, while CoD is more run around and flex your shooter skills. That, and people always seem more pissed off, and yelling all the time to work together in the BF games when I play, and the CoD guys are usually just smack talking each other, or it's some kid calling someone the N word.
if you can market something towards a kid, you can market it towards a casual gamer as well. They kind of have the same play capicity. Hop in, play for a limitted amount of time, and want to feel like they're achieving something in that little time.
The battle pets thing doesn't entirely arise from childrens games, it's based on TCG. From the info I've seen about it, it's even going to work a lot like a TCG. Sure, kids are going to be the most suseptable to pokemon marketting, but not exclusive to it. Pokemon, afterall, is a take on TCG's that came out before them, and they had roots in ADULT gaming. Albeit young adults, but adults none the less. I was playing Magic the Gathering in my early 20's; not my teens.
WoW has always been marketted towards kids AND young adults. Even more, it's been marketted towards CASUAL GAMERS; that's been Blizzards MO since day one.
Just because a kid sees pandas, doesn't mean mom and dad are going to fork over 15 dollars a month so their kid can play a game over the internet.
It's for the FANS THAT HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THE PANDERANS to be added to the game. Ogres and the panda, the two races people have been asking for since before the first xpac.
Battle pets are perfect! I collected the hell out of the pets, had dozens of them. Spent days killing welps and oozes in the hopes of getting one of the rare pets. Now they have a real purpose that doesn't effect the rest of the game. The only people I knew that invested time in collecting those stupid pets were other adults. Now they can sell them to the kids on the AH.
A dose of reality for some of you. I feel like some of you may think that when you get out of your 20's and into your 30's youre going to magically transform into some other person. You won't; don't worry. Whatever you're doing now, whether it be comics, video games, or smoking pot, you'll very likely be doing when you're my age as well. You'll just be a little older, and hopefully a little wiser when you do those things.
I ran a guild of almost 200 people, the number of "kids" that were in my guild could be counted on one hand. Most of those adults still play, and a lot of them will play as a panda; especially the WOMEN. Most people playing MMO's ARE NOT PRETEENS, and you all know it, cause you've all been playing with people relatively close to your age or older.
And for the record, people in their early 20's aren't any more mature then teenagers; that's why you think it's a bunch of kids playing WoW.
Holy crap a voice of reason and logic in this thread... whatever will the trolls here do?
reroll as pandas.
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I guess cow people are close to minotaurs so no . Gnomes and elves are pretty standard fantasy races so no and space squid goats are silly but they arn't a playable race or the subject of a major expansion .Space goats are next just wait until 2012 i swear.
when is pandaring considered pandering?
Well you're right. Most of the time anyway.
Pandas, giant pauldrons, 'pokemon pets', rocket as a mount, etc - is fun to many children AND young (and not only) adults as well.
As for Magic the Gathering - I played for a very short time myself and most of the players were either in elementary / lower high school OR in early twenties. Those both groups consisted of around 90% of players I saw that played MtG at local shop that had MtG cards, Warhammer miniatures,etc
Still while I was ok with Vanilla WoW I could not stand what WoW changed later on and what evolved into. It became more streamlined, casual and silly all at same time.
I learned one thing from it.
When you're player that does not like sillysness, casualising and all of those things people complain in topics frequently ONLY thing you can do is LEAVE WoW and games like WoW permanently. Seriously, as past shows no amount of raging, cursing, whining or asking, discussing and begging will change how game will change.
Of course enough amount of 'rage' and 'buzz' can postphone or accelerate or modify some decisions, but it won't change general direction off game design and development. Why?
Because you're still there, you CARE and you PAY.
So to all of people that don't like WoW (and many similar changes in some ther games) changes.
Suck it up OR leave game permanently.
Staying and paying or leaving it for a while and then coming back with next expansion, won't change a thing.
Of course when you leave game it won't be changed for you either.
It will allow you to find other better suited for your tastes game though.
Well there is possibility of staying and bitching / begging on forums as well. It won't work though.
As long as thousands and thousands of people make individual decisions of sucking it up or venting on forums but staying and paying - from Blizzard perspective it is ALL GOOD.
Do you always quote statements made by others as if it were your original thought? Even worse - a statement that has already been successfully countered, chewed up, and spit out on the road?
I haven't seen any study or data to support that Casual correlates to Younger or that Mature has any relevance to Harcore. I also am intersted where 'Older' fits into your equation. In either case, the Casual Gamer, by even the most loosely established definition, is often a subset containing mostly older gamers. It was odd to see someone state 'casual' and 'younger' had any kind of intrinsic connection.
According to the Daedelus Project, the average age of the WOW player was 28 in 2005. What you're suggesting is that this has changed and that millions of players ange 18+ have either moved on to 'mature MMOs' or left MMOs altogether.
What MMOs do you feel the older gamers moved on to?
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this as a playable race is abominable honestly, no defence will ever convience the mass of people who think that this just looks wrong that it is ok. I mean come on, seriously, Pandarian Death Knight?
I can see people thinking some other races are silly but I am sorry not on the same level. I mean I remember being sketched out by worgen's cause of twilight fans, but this... WoW
Not saying it is kiddie, or "kung fu panda-ish" (I think that is ignorent) but i does not fit in with azeroth at all, maybe as an NPC, like the ethreals but as a playable race hell no. Picture it in high end gear. It's gonna look so dumb/awkward.
I am one of those looooong time Blizzard fans. I bought vanilla WoW at release, I bought every expansion, I played Warcraft RTS games, Frozen Throne, Diablo, Diablo 2 Lord of Destruction Online and loved them ALL.....I LOVED Blizzard.
I'm actually more upset by what they've done in simplifying talent points (regardless of "how great" it's going to work)....I hate all the over simplification that has come since vanilla WoW. If I could go back to playing the game like it was in its second year even, with the community it had back then.....I'd play it again. But that will never happen. And expansions like this one.....I frankly find repulsive. The Pokemon thing included. To me....it's all bad.
Just because a race has appeared in the past lore and has been used as an April Fool's joke, doesn't mean it should be made into a playable race. Yay for the people that wanted it, but THIS long time Blizzard fan has grown weary of what has been done to this game. That's just me, but I have an idea that I'm probably not the only one that feels this way and I won't be buying THIS expansion.
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The OP is correct and I dont think he was talking about maturity in any way. He's just saying most 12 year olds would think Pandas in a fantasy game are pretty lame. And he's right. The idea itself is pretty funny. As if Blizzard were making a joke. Which in fact? THEY DID:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Pandaren_%28April_Fools%29
Click that. It was an Aprils Fools joke. See that? Why? Because its funny. Oh hahahaha......they made a joke about putting walking talking fighting pandas in Warcraft. Hahahaha....funny.
That is....until they actually DID IT. Then it suddenly wasnt so funny anymore. As for those of you actually taking this seriously and defending it? Whats wrong with you? It was a JOKE. Because its actually that rediculous. Blizzard thought it was rediculous. Thus the Aprils Fools joke.
At this point Im absolutely certain that some of you would eat up anything Blizzard threw at you.
Some time ago back at the Blizzard offices:
" Hey remember that stupid Aprils fools joke we did for Warcraft 3 ? "
"Yea, what about it? "
"Lets actually put that in the game as the next expansion! "
"Hahaha....what? You're serious? Really "
"Yea, of course I am. WoW fanatics will play anything. It doesnt really matter what we do. Lets do it. I know its hilarious but lets see if it actually works. I bet you they'll go for it. They'll go for anything. "
"Well.....Okay. Lets do it. Man....it would be hilarious if they actually bought into this. But you're probably right. Its like we dont even have to try anymore "
* Fits of laughter*
Well pretty soon Star Wars will be here and most of us will migrate their and I have a feeling stay there
I'm sure I'll migrate there, barring any major surprises. As for staying there, I hope so.
can we get the occupy Wall st movement to start supporting this?
seems right up their alley
http://www.wowwiki.com/Ogre_(April_Fools)
I look forward to the reaction to the expansion with the playable Jar-Jar race.
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Lol, well said.
Not that it excuse any pandas of course, it seems to me that 95% of all MMOs are aiming on small kids for players. 25% would be fine but too many gets silly after a while.
It sure seems that way. But with the average gamer being in his or her 30s these days, thats not really what Id call a sound business strategy.
I think marketing is aiming at the facebook crowd, since those "games" pull in ridiculous amounts of children and people that aren't really considered gamers.
its really amazing that most of the gaming community can't see the real reason behind the release of the panda class in the next expansion
the current WoW player base is slowly going into burn out mode , fatiqued from lack of game content so instead of trying to hang on to a player base that is slowly dying they will be reaching out to a new void of potential players from the East
the Panda highly regarded in chinese heritage and with a potential player base to surpass current members its a profitable move on their behalf so just get over it in less than a year you will be boasting about your level 90 panda monk with the inner peace killer moves