EQ2 has never been one that's on my radar to play. Odd in thinking about it, I'm not really sure why. On the other hand, I can't think of anything that really pushed me into wanting to play it.
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EQ2 has never been one that's on my radar to play. Odd in thinking about it, I'm not really sure why. On the other hand, I can't think of anything that really pushed me into wanting to play it.
Judging by your username, Im not that shocked. it is your standard hotbar style combat. Not reliant on the GCD like WoW/Rift, but with cast timers and such its not a huge difference.
Many consider it the best, or one of the best, themeparks, others dont.
The game servers won't even be able to handle any influx of Free players.
I see servers, like Antonia Bayle, going to be a crashing lagfest.
Just have a look at DCUO. It's a total shambles for over 10 days now! The EU PC server has been totally unplayable ever since it went F2P ! And every hotfix they put out so far has made matters worse! Since last hotfix NOTHING works anymore ingame. LOL!
You can bet the same is going to happen when this game goes fully F2P!
This game is dying. They even charge FULL price for the upcoming expansion, that's even remotely not an expansion, with NO content added!
SOE has lost it completely! They are losing SWG! Vanguard on the brinck of death (especially now the remaining players have come to realise NOTHING is coming at all! All lies!), EverQuest 2 losing players faster than ever (especially since the last dissaster Game Update)
The only game they have left that is still doing decently, is EverQuest 1. But it's just becoming a very old game nearing the end of it's life as well.
Sorry to say (and I hate to say it), but I see another large round of lay offs and studio closures @ SOE coming up next year!
Planet Side 2, EQ:Next ...... I really wonder they will even make it to launch. :-/
If your subbed it will be the same if your not you drop to fp and and you only have achsess to 2 characters but everything they had will be striped if above mastercraft gear and all your spells will be the same except you cant raise any above expert or maybe adept look on the link theres a matrix to what free players get.
Or look here at the matrix I am a Silver member on Extended but had like 5 or 6 toons on live hope to be able to play them again.
ty.
i don't like this news to be honest, but at the same time, i mainly just play on and off, between my Wizard and Shadow Knight, and am not even maxed lvl in the 3 years i've played it (close, however). i mainly just like to do some quest/gold grinding with my wife, and do creative things with the houses.
so, possible limits on housing is the main thing that would make this terrible news for me. i don't go all 'hardcore' with EQ2 anyway, and never really have but the aspects that i love about the game always make me return for a short binge.
My fiance and I have been debating on re-subbing to EQ2 over the last 2 weeks. One of our conversations last week was how great the community of EQ2 was compared to other mmos that we have played (lotro and eq1 being the other two great communities). I wonder how this move will impact one of the more positive aspects the game has going for it.
They want to be innovative LOL? Does he even understand what that means? I'm not an SoE hater by any means but that article and some of the stuff he said makes me LOLROFL. If he is in charge over at SoE there really is little hope for them at this point. He doesnt even understand what certain words mean or how his own model works from the sounds of it.
My fiance and I have been debating on re-subbing to EQ2 over the last 2 weeks. One of our conversations last week was how great the community of EQ2 was compared to other mmos that we have played (lotro and eq1 being the other two great communities). I wonder how this move will impact one of the more positive aspects the game has going for it.
I wouldnt worry to much about it. The community wont change much. People interested in EQ2 that arent looking at TOR are already playing EQ2. People not interested in the gameplay of a game like TOR wont be interested in EQ2 anyway. Not past a couple weeks of trying the game anyway. F2P people that are interested in EQ2 are already playing the F2P version.
I have been with CoH through it's move to F2P, keeping my sub, and if anything the Freebs/ Premiums I have encountered are better mannered and more open and friendly then the vets.
In fact, your very post here underlines my point... it is hostile and rude, pretty much qualifying for product from the 'troll factory' and certainly exists to incite argument.
If this is a measure of your community, I have no idea what freebs could do to make it any worse.
First off, I'm not an "elitist"... I'm an adult.
I'd sure like to visit the made up planet you live on. I'm not randomly making arguments here... Pretty much the only topics ever discussed by free players are "This game rips off wow," "why would anyone play this instead of wow?" "wow sucks and is still better," "Im only taking a break from wow," "on wow, I have a level_x class_y with gear_z, so I know what I'm talking about," and I could go on.
Also, debating that free players (much moreso than paying players) give their characters asinine names that somehow pass the naming policies is just moot, because you'd be wrong if you argued otherwise.
EQII is just circling the drain now, SOE really doesn't care first came the Pandarians, then the knowingly going without any firewall protection and letting hackers have at it with subscribers data, then the dumbing down to characters only having 2 stats (health and power).
SOE is just trying to soak EQ2 for anything they can get till the next one comes out
I have been with CoH through it's move to F2P, keeping my sub, and if anything the Freebs/ Premiums I have encountered are better mannered and more open and friendly then the vets.
In fact, your very post here underlines my point... it is hostile and rude, pretty much qualifying for product from the 'troll factory' and certainly exists to incite argument.
If this is a measure of your community, I have no idea what freebs could do to make it any worse.
First off, I'm not an "elitist"... I'm an adult.
You can be both at the same time ya know..? They aren't exclusive.
I'm not randomly making arguments here... so I know what I'm talking about
*cough*
ok
Also, debating that free players (much moreso than paying players) give their characters asinine names that somehow pass the naming policies is just moot, because you'd be wrong if you argued otherwise.
Who mentioned naming habits, except you?
My experience makes no better or worse anecdotal evidence then your's, and I have played on Freeport and AB both (though my main is Guk) and have to say the communities on both are extremely comparable. A much as you insist you 'know what I'm talking about', it's silly to assume others do not.
To suggest that all freebs are what you are suggesting is very much elitest and arrogant. Maybe a few vocal one are, but I have seen vocal asholes on every MMO server I have ever played on, and have done since EQ in '99.
My simple statement is that freebs are just normal players that run the spectrum of personality types. I personally might not like cash shop gaming, but even I judge those that choose it individually based on their in game actions and nothing else.
I have been with CoH through it's move to F2P, keeping my sub, and if anything the Freebs/ Premiums I have encountered are better mannered and more open and friendly then the vets.
In fact, your very post here underlines my point... it is hostile and rude, pretty much qualifying for product from the 'troll factory' and certainly exists to incite argument.
If this is a measure of your community, I have no idea what freebs could do to make it any worse.
First off, I'm not an "elitist"... I'm an adult.
You can be both at the same time ya know..? They aren't exclusive.
I'm not randomly making arguments here... so I know what I'm talking about
*cough*
ok
Also, debating that free players (much moreso than paying players) give their characters asinine names that somehow pass the naming policies is just moot, because you'd be wrong if you argued otherwise.
Who mentioned naming habits, except you?
My experience makes no better or worse anecdotal evidence then your's, and I have played on Freeport and AB both (though my main is Guk) and have to say the communities on both are extremely comparable. A much as you insist you 'know what I'm talking about', it's silly to assume others do not.
To suggest that all freebs are what you are suggesting is very much elitest and arrogant. Maybe a few vocal one are, but I have seen vocal asholes on every MMO server I have ever played on, and have done since EQ in '99.
My simple statement is that freebs are just normal players that run the spectrum of personality types. I personally might not like cash shop gaming, but even I judge those that choose it individually based on their in game actions and nothing else.
You are not even worth replying to if you're just going to faux-quote me to try and prove your own point.
this is huge news for cpu tester.since we all know this set in proper way is still one of the most demanding cpu game on the planet even today.cant wait to see fx 8150 result in cpu test vs similar intel cpu.one of the very limited few game that pretty much ignore gpu if you set it that ,even the onboard intel gpu will be irelevent.ty sony i bet you will gain huge popularity since most never played eq2
I have been with CoH through it's move to F2P, keeping my sub, and if anything the Freebs/ Premiums I have encountered are better mannered and more open and friendly then the vets.
In fact, your very post here underlines my point... it is hostile and rude, pretty much qualifying for product from the 'troll factory' and certainly exists to incite argument.
If this is a measure of your community, I have no idea what freebs could do to make it any worse.
First off, I'm not an "elitist"... I'm an adult.
You can be both at the same time ya know..? They aren't exclusive.
I'm not randomly making arguments here... so I know what I'm talking about
*cough*
ok
Also, debating that free players (much moreso than paying players) give their characters asinine names that somehow pass the naming policies is just moot, because you'd be wrong if you argued otherwise.
Who mentioned naming habits, except you?
My experience makes no better or worse anecdotal evidence then your's, and I have played on Freeport and AB both (though my main is Guk) and have to say the communities on both are extremely comparable. A much as you insist you 'know what I'm talking about', it's silly to assume others do not.
To suggest that all freebs are what you are suggesting is very much elitest and arrogant. Maybe a few vocal one are, but I have seen vocal asholes on every MMO server I have ever played on, and have done since EQ in '99.
My simple statement is that freebs are just normal players that run the spectrum of personality types. I personally might not like cash shop gaming, but even I judge those that choose it individually based on their in game actions and nothing else.
You are not even worth replying to if you're just going to faux-quote me to try and prove your own point.
Nothing I quoted was false or out of context. It was edited for clarity, nothing more.
I am sorry you don't feel you can answer. Maybe you understand the point being made though and can have a bit of a think about whats been said anyway.
It is not a surprise as Smedley made it quit clear ALL SOE [mmo] games from here on in wilkl be cash shop games.
IMo it is a really bad business model,it has only been pushed over the last couple years but already people tire of it.
SOE is building such a bad rep,i feel they are in soekm serious trouble to hang onto any kind of market share.ALL their games are buggy,they take forever IF they decide to fix bugs and memory leaks.
So they have poor game support,most bug ridden developer in the market,poor subscriptions plans too many game changes,their games are going to be ghost towns.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
It's awesome that they have decided to do this, but earlier SOE posted their latest expansion Age of Discovery would include all other expansions prior...then quickly reposted a correction in that you would need to pay for 2 expansions in order to be 'up to speed' in the game (AoD and DoV). Close to $100 per account, without counting membership unlocks or recurring dues....f2p my arse.
Would have been so much easier to have a 1 bundle buy..all expansions, 1 sale...but no, they went the course of the OBSCENE money grab.
This so smells of Smedley, only he has the ability to attract the entire MMO community towards SOE and then completely turn them away in the same breath.
Well free 2 play is a slow process the asian free 2 play with that lil cash shop on the side is still eating the pay 2 play because yeah some of use will probably be able to spend a 14,99$ in a game per month without noticing that electricity , internet and all that needs to be paid and you have to work as well in real life. So the free to play side as long as you do not count the option in the cash shop that make you have buy xp stuff to be lvl 100 without really involving yourself in the game is actually a good option for some people out there who actually value their real life story and other worries. Sending a game free is also marketing reality that pay2play companies will soon realize to be worth it down the road. instead of making fast cash by shoving down the throat of the players, by making them having to enjoy it at their own time and also by enjoying it making them having to slowly spend on their character and like this pay2play is not dead really it just being replaced by more freedom of playing and less hussle to having to face restriction.
In other words it is a win win solution for both side, the gamer and the gaming company , maybe we wont be seeing it but will surely realize it.
It has been done before and it blumed, we say the reason why a game turn out free is because it lacked content and so on but as soon as it turn out free to play the roses blumed so basically it is not a lack of content really.
If they actually turn wow free to play entire life you will see people making it become more then just a champion. So everything is not about content in our society its just about freedom.
7 years ago we were all able to permit ourselves the luxury of paying for a game but nowadays people are getting more smart .
What will happen to Vanguard now? They would never let it compete with EQ2, so I doubt that Vanguard will go f2p now too. Its also not worth the sub atm imo. It lacks the content updates and bugfixes for a subbased game.
EQ2 does have a massive amount of content, unfortunately, I could never get into the art style of the game, the boring quests, and the fact that the game world seems incredibly fragmented due to every zone having a loading screen. Just a bad design.
Still, their Freemium model is fairly decent and it's good that they are combining the Freepers with the Subbers now.
This is simply because it is an easier model for companies to adpot I believe. Not about which is better. I do not think F2P is on the rise for any reason than, when starting a M|M|O, it is an easier design. I have read up on this some time ago and remember that being the case.
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I do not wish to play in a game with A|NY kind of cash shop. If real money gives people anything in a game other than equal access I am gone. I already hate the idea of playing with people who paid $10 for a special mount or whatever.
The whole "feel" of that just rips me out of any role playing.
Also the people that game is spending time on appealing to is in direct conflict with how I approach both the game, and probably in cases real life.
The who idea of a game for me is we all have equal footing, whether you are poor or rich in real life, pretty or ugly as a monkey testicle, in the game we are equals in every way except our playing skill.
This is vital and basic to me. With a shop of any kind, and you may find something to hate about me here, but I feel like I am playing with the people responsible for me knowing who the KArdashians are.
On that note I also am pissed that Guilds get the massive boost they get, when they already have a massive edge being a lare group. I think still many people are unaware of things guilds get in games. I know it will continue, but seeing the rich get richer even in games sucks.
I love the idea of banding together to overcome things in games, but in virtual worlds the lone wolf is a character we rarely see because you are penalized for not pretending to be part of a "family"of strangers you would not have over for dinner
Anyway SOE has such a bad reputation because they were close to being first, and were first for a large portion of gamers. IN other words, they were the first one to make you care about a character in a game that did not end and you thought you would be playing for kinda ever and then ruin everything.
Thus far every MMO has done this to me. Just making us all too aware that they are games without a point and millions of repetition. Please let one of these new ones make it the distance
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EQ2 has never been one that's on my radar to play. Odd in thinking about it, I'm not really sure why. On the other hand, I can't think of anything that really pushed me into wanting to play it.
Judging by your username, Im not that shocked. it is your standard hotbar style combat. Not reliant on the GCD like WoW/Rift, but with cast timers and such its not a huge difference.
Many consider it the best, or one of the best, themeparks, others dont.
My thoughts exactly!!
ty.
i don't like this news to be honest, but at the same time, i mainly just play on and off, between my Wizard and Shadow Knight, and am not even maxed lvl in the 3 years i've played it (close, however). i mainly just like to do some quest/gold grinding with my wife, and do creative things with the houses.
so, possible limits on housing is the main thing that would make this terrible news for me. i don't go all 'hardcore' with EQ2 anyway, and never really have but the aspects that i love about the game always make me return for a short binge.
Seriously if anyone knows anyone at SOE tell them that going Buy to Play, selling expansions, and a better sorted item mall is the way to go.
They just can't seem to get right with the EverQuest series any more.
I used to play MMOs like you, but then I took an arrow to the knee.
My fiance and I have been debating on re-subbing to EQ2 over the last 2 weeks. One of our conversations last week was how great the community of EQ2 was compared to other mmos that we have played (lotro and eq1 being the other two great communities). I wonder how this move will impact one of the more positive aspects the game has going for it.
They want to be innovative LOL? Does he even understand what that means? I'm not an SoE hater by any means but that article and some of the stuff he said makes me LOLROFL. If he is in charge over at SoE there really is little hope for them at this point. He doesnt even understand what certain words mean or how his own model works from the sounds of it.
I wouldnt worry to much about it. The community wont change much. People interested in EQ2 that arent looking at TOR are already playing EQ2. People not interested in the gameplay of a game like TOR wont be interested in EQ2 anyway. Not past a couple weeks of trying the game anyway. F2P people that are interested in EQ2 are already playing the F2P version.
First off, I'm not an "elitist"... I'm an adult.
I'd sure like to visit the made up planet you live on. I'm not randomly making arguments here... Pretty much the only topics ever discussed by free players are "This game rips off wow," "why would anyone play this instead of wow?" "wow sucks and is still better," "Im only taking a break from wow," "on wow, I have a level_x class_y with gear_z, so I know what I'm talking about," and I could go on.
Also, debating that free players (much moreso than paying players) give their characters asinine names that somehow pass the naming policies is just moot, because you'd be wrong if you argued otherwise.
EQII is just circling the drain now, SOE really doesn't care first came the Pandarians, then the knowingly going without any firewall protection and letting hackers have at it with subscribers data, then the dumbing down to characters only having 2 stats (health and power).
SOE is just trying to soak EQ2 for anything they can get till the next one comes out
My experience makes no better or worse anecdotal evidence then your's, and I have played on Freeport and AB both (though my main is Guk) and have to say the communities on both are extremely comparable. A much as you insist you 'know what I'm talking about', it's silly to assume others do not.
To suggest that all freebs are what you are suggesting is very much elitest and arrogant. Maybe a few vocal one are, but I have seen vocal asholes on every MMO server I have ever played on, and have done since EQ in '99.
My simple statement is that freebs are just normal players that run the spectrum of personality types. I personally might not like cash shop gaming, but even I judge those that choose it individually based on their in game actions and nothing else.
You are not even worth replying to if you're just going to faux-quote me to try and prove your own point.
this is huge news for cpu tester.since we all know this set in proper way is still one of the most demanding cpu game on the planet even today.cant wait to see fx 8150 result in cpu test vs similar intel cpu.one of the very limited few game that pretty much ignore gpu if you set it that ,even the onboard intel gpu will be irelevent.ty sony i bet you will gain huge popularity since most never played eq2
Nothing I quoted was false or out of context. It was edited for clarity, nothing more.
I am sorry you don't feel you can answer. Maybe you understand the point being made though and can have a bit of a think about whats been said anyway.
Lineage 2 going free excites me more. Ill be playing good old L2.
It is not a surprise as Smedley made it quit clear ALL SOE [mmo] games from here on in wilkl be cash shop games.
IMo it is a really bad business model,it has only been pushed over the last couple years but already people tire of it.
SOE is building such a bad rep,i feel they are in soekm serious trouble to hang onto any kind of market share.ALL their games are buggy,they take forever IF they decide to fix bugs and memory leaks.
So they have poor game support,most bug ridden developer in the market,poor subscriptions plans too many game changes,their games are going to be ghost towns.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
What precisely is "massively-multiplayer" about EQ2 ?
It's awesome that they have decided to do this, but earlier SOE posted their latest expansion Age of Discovery would include all other expansions prior...then quickly reposted a correction in that you would need to pay for 2 expansions in order to be 'up to speed' in the game (AoD and DoV). Close to $100 per account, without counting membership unlocks or recurring dues....f2p my arse.
Would have been so much easier to have a 1 bundle buy..all expansions, 1 sale...but no, they went the course of the OBSCENE money grab.
This so smells of Smedley, only he has the ability to attract the entire MMO community towards SOE and then completely turn them away in the same breath.
Well free 2 play is a slow process the asian free 2 play with that lil cash shop on the side is still eating the pay 2 play because yeah some of use will probably be able to spend a 14,99$ in a game per month without noticing that electricity , internet and all that needs to be paid and you have to work as well in real life. So the free to play side as long as you do not count the option in the cash shop that make you have buy xp stuff to be lvl 100 without really involving yourself in the game is actually a good option for some people out there who actually value their real life story and other worries. Sending a game free is also marketing reality that pay2play companies will soon realize to be worth it down the road. instead of making fast cash by shoving down the throat of the players, by making them having to enjoy it at their own time and also by enjoying it making them having to slowly spend on their character and like this pay2play is not dead really it just being replaced by more freedom of playing and less hussle to having to face restriction.
In other words it is a win win solution for both side, the gamer and the gaming company , maybe we wont be seeing it but will surely realize it.
It has been done before and it blumed, we say the reason why a game turn out free is because it lacked content and so on but as soon as it turn out free to play the roses blumed so basically it is not a lack of content really.
If they actually turn wow free to play entire life you will see people making it become more then just a champion. So everything is not about content in our society its just about freedom.
7 years ago we were all able to permit ourselves the luxury of paying for a game but nowadays people are getting more smart .
What will happen to Vanguard now? They would never let it compete with EQ2, so I doubt that Vanguard will go f2p now too. Its also not worth the sub atm imo. It lacks the content updates and bugfixes for a subbased game.
atleast the membership matrix now looks waaaaaaaaaaaay better...
now i can pay sub and have full acces to all content, races and classes...
EQ2 probably has more content than any other game except WoW. It's really amazing how big it is, with several starting zones.
That said, I think there should have been more variety in the classes available. Or have a couple more unlock for being silver.
The big problem I have with it though is that the user interface is very, very clunky.
R.I.P. City of Heroes and my 17 characters there
EQ2 does have a massive amount of content, unfortunately, I could never get into the art style of the game, the boring quests, and the fact that the game world seems incredibly fragmented due to every zone having a loading screen. Just a bad design.
Still, their Freemium model is fairly decent and it's good that they are combining the Freepers with the Subbers now.
Firstly on more money coming from F2P games?
This is simply because it is an easier model for companies to adpot I believe. Not about which is better. I do not think F2P is on the rise for any reason than, when starting a M|M|O, it is an easier design. I have read up on this some time ago and remember that being the case.
2nd
I do not wish to play in a game with A|NY kind of cash shop. If real money gives people anything in a game other than equal access I am gone. I already hate the idea of playing with people who paid $10 for a special mount or whatever.
The whole "feel" of that just rips me out of any role playing.
Also the people that game is spending time on appealing to is in direct conflict with how I approach both the game, and probably in cases real life.
The who idea of a game for me is we all have equal footing, whether you are poor or rich in real life, pretty or ugly as a monkey testicle, in the game we are equals in every way except our playing skill.
This is vital and basic to me. With a shop of any kind, and you may find something to hate about me here, but I feel like I am playing with the people responsible for me knowing who the KArdashians are.
On that note I also am pissed that Guilds get the massive boost they get, when they already have a massive edge being a lare group. I think still many people are unaware of things guilds get in games. I know it will continue, but seeing the rich get richer even in games sucks.
I love the idea of banding together to overcome things in games, but in virtual worlds the lone wolf is a character we rarely see because you are penalized for not pretending to be part of a "family"of strangers you would not have over for dinner
Anyway SOE has such a bad reputation because they were close to being first, and were first for a large portion of gamers. IN other words, they were the first one to make you care about a character in a game that did not end and you thought you would be playing for kinda ever and then ruin everything.
Thus far every MMO has done this to me. Just making us all too aware that they are games without a point and millions of repetition. Please let one of these new ones make it the distance