The more I think about this... the more things make sense.
We all know that there are many instances where "banned" people are back playing again. We all know that SV is in need of money. Are we therefore making a false assumption that this was unintended? I mean... in their world (which has only the faintest resemblance to reality) is it not possible that they thought it was a good idea to ban peoples account in OTHER games? This would presumably A) Punish the cheater Retain revenue for StarVault C) Deprive a competitor of funds...
Maybe they sat around and actually congratulated themselves on coming up with a win-win-win scenario....
Tin foil hats! F**king lol.
Personally I and any average person could not care less about a typo, what I do care about is the fact that since it was posted here, it was probably dug up by someone who doesnt even play the game looking through their entire terms of service. If that is the case, I find it utterly hilarious.
EDIT: and how do any of you know that CCP didn't copy and paste their TOS from another game?
And finally where is your proof that it even was copy pasted? It may simply not be proof read. I know that when Ive written things out and my mind has drifted I've written typo's. Maybe the writer had been playing EVE beforehand and had it in his head, and when Mortal Online came up to be written they wrote Eve Online without thinking? That seems reasonable to me.
So your saying that it isn't copy and pasted from EvE they just forgot which game they were developing when they wrote it?
Yeah I could buy that considering everything else they've managed to screw up.
Either way it's funny as hell.
And as far as CCP copying it, they probably did but they at least seem to have remembered what game they developed or at least managed to proof read it before throwing it up as some official legal binding document lol.
And finally where is your proof that it even was copy pasted? It may simply not be proof read. I know that when Ive written things out and my mind has drifted I've written typo's. Maybe the writer had been playing EVE beforehand and had it in his head, and when Mortal Online came up to be written they wrote Eve Online without thinking? That seems reasonable to me.
If you actually read as far as the 4th post in the thread you would have found the link directly to the EVE TOS....
But, to simplify things for you, here is the section of the EVE TOS:
CCP MAY FIND IT NECESSARY ON OCCASION TO MAKE CHANGES TO OR RESET CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF THE PERSISTENT GAME WORLD MECHANICS, INTERFACE OR FEATURES OF EVE ONLINE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN GAME BALANCE AND ENHANCE PLAYABILITY OR PERFORMANCE FOR ITS SUBSCRIBERS. THESE CHANGES MAY AFFECT OR CAUSE SETBACKS FOR THE CHARACTERS YOU’VE CREATED.
THESE RULES MAY BE REVISED AT ANY TIME. IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO REVIEW THEM OCCASIONALLY TO ENSURE THAT YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE RULES, POLICIES AND AGREEMENTS DESIGNATED BY CCP.
BY SUBSCRIBING TO EVE ONLINE, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE AT LEAST 18 YEARS OF AGE.
YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU AGREE TO THESE RULES AND WILL ABIDE BY THEM.
YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TERMINATION OF YOUR ACCOUNT BY CCP OR ONE OF ITS AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVES MAY RESULT FROM FAILURE TO ABIDE BY THESE RULES. SUCH TERMINATION WILL NOT ENTITLE YOU TO A REFUND OF ANY FEES PAID BY YOU FOR THE USE OF THE EVE ONLINE CLIENT, SERVERS OR WEB SITE. YOU WILL FORFEIT ANY UNUSED GAME TIME REMAINING AT THE TIME OF TERMINATION.
YOU AGREE THAT THESE RULES WILL APPLY TO ANYONE THAT YOU GRANT PERMISSION TO ACCESS YOUR EVE ONLINE ACCOUNT OR USER INFORMATION. YOU AGREE THAT YOU WILL BE HELD PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONSEQUENCES (WHICH CAN INCLUDE ACCOUNT TERMINATION) THAT MAY RESULT IF ANY SUCH PERSON BREAKS THE RULES DESCRIBED HEREIN.
IN ADDITION TO THE FOREGOING, YOU ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU WILL COMPLY WITH THE END USER LICENSE. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE TERMS SET FORTH CAN RESULT IN THE IMMEDIATE TERMINATION OF YOUR EVE ONLINE SUBSCRIPTION AND THE BENEFITS THEREOF WITH NO REFUNDS.
Are you somehow claiming that having the exact same wording in the Mortal Online TOS (including the fact that both are in full capitals) is just some sort of happenstance? And that on top of that the writer actually just typed EVE ONLINE by accident? Is that really your argument? You really find that to be a "reasonable" explanation?
I honestly think the best part about this is that their supposed legal document which has been in place since July 2010 states that banned players are not entitled to a refund of their EVE account.
Quite humorous...
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the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work, as by not crediting the author
As far as Im concerned that definition fits perfectly. But Im not getting into the argument. Dont really care all that much.
However the fact they just copy and pasted a terms of service agreement is really something I would expect would happen if a few college kids made an mmorpg while drinking beers. Pretty sloppy, lazy, and sad.
I think this sums up SV and their MMO very well...
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
The more I think about this... the more things make sense.
We all know that there are many instances where "banned" people are back playing again. We all know that SV is in need of money. Are we therefore making a false assumption that this was unintended? I mean... in their world (which has only the faintest resemblance to reality) is it not possible that they thought it was a good idea to ban peoples account in OTHER games? This would presumably A) Punish the cheater Retain revenue for StarVault C) Deprive a competitor of funds...
Maybe they sat around and actually congratulated themselves on coming up with a win-win-win scenario....
Tin foil hats! F**king lol.
Personally I and any average person could not care less about a typo, what I do care about is the fact that since it was posted here, it was probably dug up by someone who doesnt even play the game looking through their entire terms of service. If that is the case, I find it utterly hilarious.
Let me enlighten you as to how this came about (since the posts are, of coarse, deleted from the MO forum)
Players had been wanting proof that bans had happened due to the recent duping outbreak tht brought the server down. Sv does not have a reputation for honesty and transparancy and has on many occasions let "banned" players come back to the game with a name change and some GM Gold... Fans had had enough and many wnted names.
The fanboy brigade went into full "battle mode"- Claiming SV could not release the names of the players caught duping because of the TOS/EULA, some even claiming that it would be "illegal" in Sweden (kinda like working weekends)
A player names Chewy then read the TOS and was startled to see it was a copy/past of Eve Online- Without even putting MOs name in place of EVE's. Suddenly the forum was filled with current players asking for an answer, statement- Something...Wanting to know why the TOS is MO said players could be banned from Eve Online.
In typical SV fashion, Posts mentioning "COPYGATE" were promptly deleted, removed and no comment/answer/explaination given.
Yes, its hilarious =D
EDIT: and how do any of you know that CCP didn't copy and paste their TOS from another game?
How do you know William Shakespear wasnt John D?
We do not- Mainly because if CCP DID copy the TOS from somewhere else they were competent enough to proof read the document and remove any mention of the game/company they copy pasted from.
Thats what makes this even more absurd. The total incompetence that SV has shown in not evem proof reding a document they copy/pasted/stole and yet they often refer to their TOS (which turns out only affects Eve Online)
-But, in typical fanboy thinking- Lets just pretend Eve oOnline copied their TOS from Blizz so its okay for SV to copy from CCP- I mean, everyone is copying TOS's these days- ALL THE COOL KIDZ ARE DOING IT. SV is competent and professional and is just doing what every MM)O developer does- Stealing TOS from somewhere else.
Hell, the original UO TOS was stolen from Pac Man. Its all good.
And finally where is your proof that it even was copy pasted? It may simply not be proof read. I know that when Ive written things out and my mind has drifted I've written typo's. Maybe the writer had been playing EVE beforehand and had it in his head, and when Mortal Online came up to be written they wrote Eve Online without thinking? That seems reasonable to me.
You really are trying to be serious here arent you?
I too have written something down that wasnt "correct" when thinking of something else- Thats why I would PROOF READ any document I was making public-
Just odd that SV had the precise wording, punctuation, etc. from the TOS of the game they actually mention (EVE Online)- What a mighty coincidence.
Anyhow, the Censors over at SV have picked clean any posts refrencing this- They dont have time to discuss this or give an answer since they are SOOOO BUSY working on new "content" which will be tested and bug free. Sv have a "game" to make and have no time for such foolishness as writing their own TOS whenthere are perfectly good ones to steal.
The more I think about this... the more things make sense.
We all know that there are many instances where "banned" people are back playing again. We all know that SV is in need of money. Are we therefore making a false assumption that this was unintended? I mean... in their world (which has only the faintest resemblance to reality) is it not possible that they thought it was a good idea to ban peoples account in OTHER games? This would presumably A) Punish the cheater Retain revenue for StarVault C) Deprive a competitor of funds...
Maybe they sat around and actually congratulated themselves on coming up with a win-win-win scenario....
Tin foil hats! F**king lol.
Personally I and any average person could not care less about a typo, what I do care about is the fact that since it was posted here, it was probably dug up by someone who doesnt even play the game looking through their entire terms of service. If that is the case, I find it utterly hilarious.
EDIT: and how do any of you know that CCP didn't copy and paste their TOS from another game?
And finally where is your proof that it even was copy pasted? It may simply not be proof read. I know that when Ive written things out and my mind has drifted I've written typo's. Maybe the writer had been playing EVE beforehand and had it in his head, and when Mortal Online came up to be written they wrote Eve Online without thinking? That seems reasonable to me.
Cyde I know you. And I never took you for a dumb person. Do you really think that EVE Online and CCP is a typo?? lol How would you typo that in. And there were many copy and pastes of it on the official forum and I think Slap screenshottted it here on the first page.
It is not tin foil hats it just shows how non pro and incompetent SV is. You should know this didn't you rage quite and delete all your toons?? Oh yeah but then SV undeleted all them for you. I have never heard of a game doing that before.
I don't have a problem with them using someones else's TOS, why reinvent the wheel when I believe that most TOS are pretty close. However, to do so and not have the common sense to edit it is pretty sad.
I don't have a problem with them using someones else's TOS, why reinvent the wheel when I believe that most TOS are pretty close. However, to do so and not have the common sense to edit it is pretty sad.
-Then you see the point here...
Its just another instance (of many) in which SV shows their incompetence on the most basic of levels. If you have followed this game, its problems, excuses and lies- This is just one more example. This game has been operating for nearly 2 years and they never (in all that time) proof read their own TOS. Yet they Blame their coding issues on Epic (hell, SV has never taken responsibility for anything- Everything wrong with this game has been blamed on someone else)
Then, they didnt have the common decency to even say "oops we goofed, lol" or give ANY explaination- Instead they deleted all posts refrencing COPYGATE and are pretending it never happened.
I don't have a problem with them using someones else's TOS, why reinvent the wheel when I believe that most TOS are pretty close. However, to do so and not have the common sense to edit it is pretty sad.
-Then you see the point here...
Its just another instance (of many) in which SV shows their incompetence on the most basic of levels. If you have followed this game, its problems, excuses and lies- This is just one more example. This game has been operating for nearly 2 years and they never (in all that time) proof read their own TOS. Yet they Blame their coding issues on Epic (hell, SV has never taken responsibility for anything- Everything wrong with this game has been blamed on someone else)
Then, they didnt have the common decency to even say "oops we goofed, lol" or give ANY explaination- Instead they deleted all posts refrencing COPYGATE and are pretending it never happened.
I agree with what you are saying. I think whoever is their PR person isn't doing a good job. The obvious response to something like this is like you said 'oops, we screwed up, lol' and things would have settled down pretty quickly. They definitely don't know how to handle these types of things.
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We must be running out of things to complain about.
-Sorry no big "news" like a huge event that will drawa whopping 36 people... Or HUGE NEWS like a few people PVPing in a PVP MMO. Only this "boring" stuff like SV lying , censoring and trying to cover shit up...Again.
Your right though, nothing new here. SV have been lying, censoring, pointing blame and making basic mistakes since day 1. =P
We must be running out of things to complain about.
No the rampant bugs, exploits, dupes, and no content are still there this is just showing how stupid SV is. I really do not care that they copy and pasted it. I just think it is so foolish to not delete EVE ONLINE and insert MO and to not delete CCP and put in SV. It really just shows how retarded they are.
This isn't plagiarism. The concept of plagiarism doesn't apply to contractual text. No one wins a lawsuit against someone else because the someone else copied contract text. Lawsuits like that just don't happen, because copying in this way isn't wrong. Copying contract text is a very common legal practice today.
Was it a sloppy copy job? Yeah. Did they do anything wrong other than being lazy? No.
Edited for clarity.
Well they did do 1 thing wrong.. not legally but contractually - they are going to have to give money back for Mortal Online because their contract said they would not give money back for EVE. So if they ban you you will not be refunded for any EVE money you may have lost. It is in the contract, doesn't say you cannot get back your Mortal Online money. Even if they change it, it would only apply to those who never agreed to the old contract.
This isn't plagiarism. The concept of plagiarism doesn't apply to contractual text. No one wins a lawsuit against someone else because the someone else copied contract text. Lawsuits like that just don't happen, because copying in this way isn't wrong. Copying contract text is a very common legal practice today.
Was it a sloppy copy job? Yeah. Did they do anything wrong other than being lazy? No.
Edited for clarity.
Well they did do 1 thing wrong.. not legally but contractually - they are going to have to give money back for Mortal Online because their contract said they would not give money back for EVE. So if they ban you you will not be refunded for any EVE money you may have lost. It is in the contract, doesn't say you cannot get back your Mortal Online money. Even if they change it, it would only apply to those who never agreed to the old contract.
I hate to steal someones quote- But I will. (and cannot credit them since I am not sure who said it)
-Essentially SV has covered their bases here. The TOS they stole from Eve allows them to change the terms at any time, for any reason- Therefore they retroactivly change it.
And if you keep complaining you will be shocked to know that in MOs new TOS they reserve the right to Ban you from the Internet- Even if you dont sub to MO... So if you wake up one day and cannot get online, should have read MOs TOS... Damn non hardcore carebearz.
This isn't plagiarism. The concept of plagiarism doesn't apply to contractual text. No one wins a lawsuit against someone else because the someone else copied contract text. Lawsuits like that just don't happen, because copying in this way isn't wrong. Copying contract text is a very common legal practice today.
Was it a sloppy copy job? Yeah. Did they do anything wrong other than being lazy? No.
Edited for clarity.
Well they did do 1 thing wrong.. not legally but contractually - they are going to have to give money back for Mortal Online because their contract said they would not give money back for EVE. So if they ban you you will not be refunded for any EVE money you may have lost. It is in the contract, doesn't say you cannot get back your Mortal Online money. Even if they change it, it would only apply to those who never agreed to the old contract.
well a tos can be changed at any moment so not really if they jsut changed it. This sort of thing is common practise with a TOS, its likely a high % copy and paste their tos but its jsut only 1 company (sv) are silly enough to not actually check it once they have copied it to make sure its all relevent. Theres a very good chance the guy who copied the tos doesnt work for sv anymore. plagiarism is a loaded word, in general it has come to represent wrong doing with copying antohers work, whislt the meaning hasnt changed as of yet it is in most peoples minds linked with wrong doing and sv did nothing wrong with copying this tos since it isnt ilegal. Posting it on the eve site will likely not even entertain an answer from ccp so im sure this drama at least will end with this thread sicne nobody on the official site seems to care at all.
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
This isn't plagiarism. The concept of plagiarism doesn't apply to contractual text. No one wins a lawsuit against someone else because the someone else copied contract text. Lawsuits like that just don't happen, because copying in this way isn't wrong. Copying contract text is a very common legal practice today.
Was it a sloppy copy job? Yeah. Did they do anything wrong other than being lazy? No.
Edited for clarity.
Well they did do 1 thing wrong.. not legally but contractually - they are going to have to give money back for Mortal Online because their contract said they would not give money back for EVE. So if they ban you you will not be refunded for any EVE money you may have lost. It is in the contract, doesn't say you cannot get back your Mortal Online money. Even if they change it, it would only apply to those who never agreed to the old contract.
well a tos can be changed at any moment so not really if they jsut changed it. This sort of thing is common practise with a TOS, its likely a high % copy and paste their tos but its jsut only 1 company (sv) are silly enough to not actually check it once they have copied it to make sure its all relevent. Theres a very good chance the guy who copied the tos doesnt work for sv anymore. plagiarism is a loaded word, in general it has come to represent wrong doing with copying antohers work, whislt the meaning hasnt changed as of yet it is in most peoples minds linked with wrong doing and sv did nothing wrong with copying this tos since it isnt ilegal. Posting it on the eve site will likely not even entertain an answer from ccp so im sure this drama at least will end with this thread sicne nobody on the official site seems to care at all.
-They care enough to delete the posts which refrence this. They care enough to NOT let this conversation hapen onthe Official Forum, Just not enough to give any statement.
When they do something stupid, shady or wrong- They never seem to care and do not allow such discussion- Hell, Henrik doesnt seem to care that the Stock price is aless than 5% what it was a year and a half ago- Shit like that is never talked about (AKA- SV doesnt care)
But OH MAN, let 10 people get together to PVP and we hear ALL ABOUT IT... Its "news".
@MODRAGON: I agree bro- Seems an attempt to once again excuse SV of their stupidity by playing semantics with "legal terms" and make the conversation about "definitions" and not the mistake an amature would not make. Its typical SV defense strategy. Redirect the conversation.
This isn't plagiarism. The concept of plagiarism doesn't apply to contractual text. No one wins a lawsuit against someone else because the someone else copied contract text. Lawsuits like that just don't happen, because copying in this way isn't wrong. Copying contract text is a very common legal practice today.
Was it a sloppy copy job? Yeah. Did they do anything wrong other than being lazy? No.
Edited for clarity.
Well they did do 1 thing wrong.. not legally but contractually - they are going to have to give money back for Mortal Online because their contract said they would not give money back for EVE. So if they ban you you will not be refunded for any EVE money you may have lost. It is in the contract, doesn't say you cannot get back your Mortal Online money. Even if they change it, it would only apply to those who never agreed to the old contract.
well a tos can be changed at any moment so not really if they jsut changed it. This sort of thing is common practise with a TOS, its likely a high % copy and paste their tos but its jsut only 1 company (sv) are silly enough to not actually check it once they have copied it to make sure its all relevent. Theres a very good chance the guy who copied the tos doesnt work for sv anymore. plagiarism is a loaded word, in general it has come to represent wrong doing with copying antohers work, whislt the meaning hasnt changed as of yet it is in most peoples minds linked with wrong doing and sv did nothing wrong with copying this tos since it isnt ilegal. Posting it on the eve site will likely not even entertain an answer from ccp so im sure this drama at least will end with this thread sicne nobody on the official site seems to care at all.
People were talking about it but the posts were deleted. Try again.
Way to take this seriously guys.. It's not about possible lawsuit, amateurish copy paste or plagiarism. It's about SV being the usual lazy self and not even bothering to proofread their own TOS, which just shows how serious they are. Simple lulz, now move along.
Way to take this seriously guys.. It's not about possible lawsuit, amateurish copy paste or plagiarism. It's about SV being the usual lazy self and not even bothering to proofread their own TOS, which just shows how serious they are. Simple lulz, now move along.
-Agree, but its als about the blatant censorship and covering up what OTHERWISE would just be a stupid mistake. SV had cherry picked every post mentioning this and deleted it. SV will not let this be discussed on their board.
You are correct- Its a stupid mistake and since page 1 or 2 of this thread, it has been said again and again that nobody is saying anything about a lawsuit- Merelylazy incompetent folks over at SV who continue to mke stupid mistakes and either cover it up through censorship or blame others.
Nothing new here- Just a really funny example of the "care" that went into developin and running this "game"... Perhaps a bit of a peek into why the coding sucks so bad (if they didnt proof read the TOS and find the blatant and easily spotted reference to Eve Onlinethen how does their code look?)
This is a microcosm of how this company is operated. Continuing to make stupid, elementary mistakes and then censor any discussion about those mistakes OR blame someone else.
Way to take this seriously guys.. It's not about possible lawsuit, amateurish copy paste or plagiarism. It's about SV being the usual lazy self and not even bothering to proofread their own TOS, which just shows how serious they are. Simple lulz, now move along.
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So your saying that it isn't copy and pasted from EvE they just forgot which game they were developing when they wrote it?
Yeah I could buy that considering everything else they've managed to screw up.
Either way it's funny as hell.
And as far as CCP copying it, they probably did but they at least seem to have remembered what game they developed or at least managed to proof read it before throwing it up as some official legal binding document lol.
If you actually read as far as the 4th post in the thread you would have found the link directly to the EVE TOS....
But, to simplify things for you, here is the section of the EVE TOS:
CCP MAY FIND IT NECESSARY ON OCCASION TO MAKE CHANGES TO OR RESET CERTAIN PARAMETERS OF THE PERSISTENT GAME WORLD MECHANICS, INTERFACE OR FEATURES OF EVE ONLINE IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN GAME BALANCE AND ENHANCE PLAYABILITY OR PERFORMANCE FOR ITS SUBSCRIBERS. THESE CHANGES MAY AFFECT OR CAUSE SETBACKS FOR THE CHARACTERS YOU’VE CREATED.
THESE RULES MAY BE REVISED AT ANY TIME. IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO REVIEW THEM OCCASIONALLY TO ENSURE THAT YOU ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE RULES, POLICIES AND AGREEMENTS DESIGNATED BY CCP.
BY SUBSCRIBING TO EVE ONLINE, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE AT LEAST 18 YEARS OF AGE.
YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU AGREE TO THESE RULES AND WILL ABIDE BY THEM.
YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TERMINATION OF YOUR ACCOUNT BY CCP OR ONE OF ITS AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVES MAY RESULT FROM FAILURE TO ABIDE BY THESE RULES. SUCH TERMINATION WILL NOT ENTITLE YOU TO A REFUND OF ANY FEES PAID BY YOU FOR THE USE OF THE EVE ONLINE CLIENT, SERVERS OR WEB SITE. YOU WILL FORFEIT ANY UNUSED GAME TIME REMAINING AT THE TIME OF TERMINATION.
YOU AGREE THAT THESE RULES WILL APPLY TO ANYONE THAT YOU GRANT PERMISSION TO ACCESS YOUR EVE ONLINE ACCOUNT OR USER INFORMATION. YOU AGREE THAT YOU WILL BE HELD PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONSEQUENCES (WHICH CAN INCLUDE ACCOUNT TERMINATION) THAT MAY RESULT IF ANY SUCH PERSON BREAKS THE RULES DESCRIBED HEREIN.
IN ADDITION TO THE FOREGOING, YOU ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU WILL COMPLY WITH THE END USER LICENSE. YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH THE TERMS SET FORTH CAN RESULT IN THE IMMEDIATE TERMINATION OF YOUR EVE ONLINE SUBSCRIPTION AND THE BENEFITS THEREOF WITH NO REFUNDS.
Are you somehow claiming that having the exact same wording in the Mortal Online TOS (including the fact that both are in full capitals) is just some sort of happenstance? And that on top of that the writer actually just typed EVE ONLINE by accident? Is that really your argument? You really find that to be a "reasonable" explanation?
I honestly think the best part about this is that their supposed legal document which has been in place since July 2010 states that banned players are not entitled to a refund of their EVE account.
Quite humorous...
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I think this sums up SV and their MMO very well...
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
Already read this on the MO forums
Anyhow, the Censors over at SV have picked clean any posts refrencing this- They dont have time to discuss this or give an answer since they are SOOOO BUSY working on new "content" which will be tested and bug free. Sv have a "game" to make and have no time for such foolishness as writing their own TOS whenthere are perfectly good ones to steal.
Cyde I know you. And I never took you for a dumb person. Do you really think that EVE Online and CCP is a typo?? lol How would you typo that in. And there were many copy and pastes of it on the official forum and I think Slap screenshottted it here on the first page.
It is not tin foil hats it just shows how non pro and incompetent SV is. You should know this didn't you rage quite and delete all your toons?? Oh yeah but then SV undeleted all them for you. I have never heard of a game doing that before.
I don't have a problem with them using someones else's TOS, why reinvent the wheel when I believe that most TOS are pretty close. However, to do so and not have the common sense to edit it is pretty sad.
I self identify as a monkey.
Sure took people a while to find that error, haha.
p.s. I'd also copy-paste. Writing a document like that by myself would probably kill me.
My brand new bloggity blog.
-Then you see the point here...
Its just another instance (of many) in which SV shows their incompetence on the most basic of levels. If you have followed this game, its problems, excuses and lies- This is just one more example. This game has been operating for nearly 2 years and they never (in all that time) proof read their own TOS. Yet they Blame their coding issues on Epic (hell, SV has never taken responsibility for anything- Everything wrong with this game has been blamed on someone else)
Then, they didnt have the common decency to even say "oops we goofed, lol" or give ANY explaination- Instead they deleted all posts refrencing COPYGATE and are pretending it never happened.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boilerplate_(text)
I agree with what you are saying. I think whoever is their PR person isn't doing a good job. The obvious response to something like this is like you said 'oops, we screwed up, lol' and things would have settled down pretty quickly. They definitely don't know how to handle these types of things.
I self identify as a monkey.
We must be running out of things to complain about.
Probably proves that most games TOS's remain unread, even to this day.
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You are correct. Standard boiler plate TOS/Eula forms come with EVE ONLINE and CCP in them.
-Sorry no big "news" like a huge event that will drawa whopping 36 people... Or HUGE NEWS like a few people PVPing in a PVP MMO. Only this "boring" stuff like SV lying , censoring and trying to cover shit up...Again.
Your right though, nothing new here. SV have been lying, censoring, pointing blame and making basic mistakes since day 1. =P
No the rampant bugs, exploits, dupes, and no content are still there this is just showing how stupid SV is. I really do not care that they copy and pasted it. I just think it is so foolish to not delete EVE ONLINE and insert MO and to not delete CCP and put in SV. It really just shows how retarded they are.
Well they did do 1 thing wrong.. not legally but contractually - they are going to have to give money back for Mortal Online because their contract said they would not give money back for EVE. So if they ban you you will not be refunded for any EVE money you may have lost. It is in the contract, doesn't say you cannot get back your Mortal Online money. Even if they change it, it would only apply to those who never agreed to the old contract.
Currently bored with MMO's.
I hate to steal someones quote- But I will. (and cannot credit them since I am not sure who said it)
-Essentially SV has covered their bases here. The TOS they stole from Eve allows them to change the terms at any time, for any reason- Therefore they retroactivly change it.
And if you keep complaining you will be shocked to know that in MOs new TOS they reserve the right to Ban you from the Internet- Even if you dont sub to MO... So if you wake up one day and cannot get online, should have read MOs TOS... Damn non hardcore carebearz.
well a tos can be changed at any moment so not really if they jsut changed it. This sort of thing is common practise with a TOS, its likely a high % copy and paste their tos but its jsut only 1 company (sv) are silly enough to not actually check it once they have copied it to make sure its all relevent. Theres a very good chance the guy who copied the tos doesnt work for sv anymore. plagiarism is a loaded word, in general it has come to represent wrong doing with copying antohers work, whislt the meaning hasnt changed as of yet it is in most peoples minds linked with wrong doing and sv did nothing wrong with copying this tos since it isnt ilegal. Posting it on the eve site will likely not even entertain an answer from ccp
so im sure this drama at least will end with this thread sicne nobody on the official site seems to care at all.
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
This topic was partially quite funny but all the internet lawyering has ruined it.
-They care enough to delete the posts which refrence this. They care enough to NOT let this conversation hapen onthe Official Forum, Just not enough to give any statement.
When they do something stupid, shady or wrong- They never seem to care and do not allow such discussion- Hell, Henrik doesnt seem to care that the Stock price is aless than 5% what it was a year and a half ago- Shit like that is never talked about (AKA- SV doesnt care)
But OH MAN, let 10 people get together to PVP and we hear ALL ABOUT IT... Its "news".
@MODRAGON: I agree bro- Seems an attempt to once again excuse SV of their stupidity by playing semantics with "legal terms" and make the conversation about "definitions" and not the mistake an amature would not make. Its typical SV defense strategy. Redirect the conversation.
People were talking about it but the posts were deleted. Try again.
Way to take this seriously guys.. It's not about possible lawsuit, amateurish copy paste or plagiarism. It's about SV being the usual lazy self and not even bothering to proofread their own TOS, which just shows how serious they are. Simple lulz, now move along.
-Agree, but its als about the blatant censorship and covering up what OTHERWISE would just be a stupid mistake. SV had cherry picked every post mentioning this and deleted it. SV will not let this be discussed on their board.
You are correct- Its a stupid mistake and since page 1 or 2 of this thread, it has been said again and again that nobody is saying anything about a lawsuit- Merelylazy incompetent folks over at SV who continue to mke stupid mistakes and either cover it up through censorship or blame others.
Nothing new here- Just a really funny example of the "care" that went into developin and running this "game"... Perhaps a bit of a peek into why the coding sucks so bad (if they didnt proof read the TOS and find the blatant and easily spotted reference to Eve Onlinethen how does their code look?)
This is a microcosm of how this company is operated. Continuing to make stupid, elementary mistakes and then censor any discussion about those mistakes OR blame someone else.
See, someone gets it!
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...