im jsut saying i have rarely seen a post get dleeted that i didnt feel warrented it. Im certainly not a fanboy. I doubt there are many fanboys left in mo tbh. Most rage quit a few mnoths after rleease when all their its beta excuses were no longer valid and their blind defense of the game was having to resort to constant lies. I t was those who always remained skeptical that stuck with the game becasue their fanboy dreams werent shattered. i do know many strange dealing etc went off with many of those people from bribing sv to harrasment of certain sv staff to being banned etc and many of those people involved are now die hard haters of the game.
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
Soo... they decided to "fix" the issue by ninja-editing the original TOS. Of course.. in typical SV fashion they do it half-assed and leave the original date...
And for those above discussing the right of the company to change the TOS. Yes of course that is true, but it doesn't become valid until agreed to by the user. Thus, those folks that were banned... have not and never will click on the new TOS which updates Mortal Online from EVE Online.
Whatever though.. it's really just about the lulz as these guys find new and exciting ways to fail.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
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This reminds me of the post where someone showed a screenshot in Age of Conan. They did a mouseover of the stats and the descriptions were the ones from Anarchy Online. Things like "Radiation AC" and "Sensory Improvement." Apparently they used the same engine or data from AO and forgot to change the descriptions to match AoC.
Im surprised that anyone actually read the end user license agreement....
Too funny...and yet pathetic and sad that Starvault did this.....
***raises plunger in salute to whomever found this out!***
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care. Playing: ESO, WOT, Smite, and Marvel Heroes
Soo... they decided to "fix" the issue by ninja-editing the original TOS. Of course.. in typical SV fashion they do it half-assed and leave the original date...
And for those above discussing the right of the company to change the TOS. Yes of course that is true, but it doesn't become valid until agreed to by the user. Thus, those folks that were banned... have not and never will click on the new TOS which updates Mortal Online from EVE Online.
Whatever though.. it's really just about the lulz as these guys find new and exciting ways to fail.
GM Gradius (GameMaster): "The situation has been resolved."
That poor GM. I can't imagine thinking shutting down threads where your game is this wrong is the solution. It looks worse than the original theft of TOS when you shut stuff down quick.
how predictable that my post is deleted and i am warned for bashing the people bashing the game instead of bashing the game like everyone else .
[Mod Edit]
Cyde I saw the post in question. It was not on topic and it was flaming another poster. They are pretty strict on that here. I do not think it has anything to do with people bashing or not bashing the game.
A legal boilerplate is a standard provision in a contract. The wording of contracts needs to be very precise to stand up to legal scrutiny. Because of this some portions of common contracts (terms of service and EULAs for instance), Such shrinkwrap contracts are seldom read and may be legally unenforcable ( Klocek v. Gateway, Inc,)
Using the ToS without making the needed changes was lazy and sloppy, but not plagiarism. Plagiarism requires "representation of them as one's own original work". An original work is one not received from others nor one copied based on the work of others. Standardized contract language is about as far as you can get from "original"
A simple google search for "OR ONE OF ITS AUTHORIZED
REPRESENTATIVES MAY RESULT FROM FAILURE TO ABIDE BY THESE RULES. SUCH TERMINATION WILL NOT
ENTITLE YOU TO A REFUND OF ANY FEES PAID BY YOU FOR THE USE OF THE" (the section of text between "starvault" and "EVE") pulls up these...
The most egregious of these is Second place, who are "specialists in creating interactive virtual presences for our clients on virtual platforms such as OpenSIM, Unity and Second Life."
YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TERMINATION OF YOUR USER ACCOUNT BY SECOND PLACES OR ONE OF ITS AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVES MAY RESULT FROM FAILURE TO ABIDE BY THESE RULES. SUCH TERMINATION WILL NOT ENTITLE YOU TO A REFUND OF ANY FEES PAID BY YOU FOR THE USE OF THE SERVICE, SERVERS OR WEB SITE. YOU WILL FORFEIT ANY UNUSED TIME REMAINING AT THE TIME OF TERMINATION.
YOU AGREE THAT THESE RULES WILL APPLY TO ANYONE THAT YOU GRANT PERMISSION TO ACCESS YOUR EVE ONLINE ACCOUNT OR USER INFORMATION. YOU AGREE THAT YOU WILL BE HELD PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONSEQUENCES (WHICH CAN INCLUDE ACCOUNT TERMINATION) THAT MAY RESULT IF ANY SUCH PERSON BREAKS THE RULES DESCRIBED HEREIN.
I would not doubt this being part of SVs idiotic marketing campaign. One of the wizards over there still thinks any press is good press. How's that been working so far?
I don't think I've ever gotten so much enjoyment out of a game I've never played. Someday when there is a course on how not to run a video game company and how not to develop games, SV and SOE will be exhibits A and B.
A legal boilerplate is a standard provision in a contract. The wording of contracts needs to be very precise to stand up to legal scrutiny. Because of this some portions of common contracts (terms of service and EULAs for instance), Such shrinkwrap contracts are seldom read and may be legally unenforcable ( Klocek v. Gateway, Inc,)
Using the ToS without making the needed changes was lazy and sloppy, but not plagiarism. Plagiarism requires "representation of them as one's own original work". An original work is one not received from others nor one copied based on the work of others. Standardized contract language is about as far as you can get from "original"
A simple google search for "OR ONE OF ITS AUTHORIZED
REPRESENTATIVES MAY RESULT FROM FAILURE TO ABIDE BY THESE RULES. SUCH TERMINATION WILL NOT
ENTITLE YOU TO A REFUND OF ANY FEES PAID BY YOU FOR THE USE OF THE" (the section of text between "starvault" and "EVE") pulls up these...
The most egregious of these is Second place, who are "specialists in creating interactive virtual presences for our clients on virtual platforms such as OpenSIM, Unity and Second Life."
YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TERMINATION OF YOUR USER ACCOUNT BY SECOND PLACES OR ONE OF ITS AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVES MAY RESULT FROM FAILURE TO ABIDE BY THESE RULES. SUCH TERMINATION WILL NOT ENTITLE YOU TO A REFUND OF ANY FEES PAID BY YOU FOR THE USE OF THE SERVICE, SERVERS OR WEB SITE. YOU WILL FORFEIT ANY UNUSED TIME REMAINING AT THE TIME OF TERMINATION.
YOU AGREE THAT THESE RULES WILL APPLY TO ANYONE THAT YOU GRANT PERMISSION TO ACCESS YOUR EVE ONLINE ACCOUNT OR USER INFORMATION. YOU AGREE THAT YOU WILL BE HELD PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONSEQUENCES (WHICH CAN INCLUDE ACCOUNT TERMINATION) THAT MAY RESULT IF ANY SUCH PERSON BREAKS THE RULES DESCRIBED HEREIN.
So it's not just SV that has that "Eve Online" language in their TOS, Second Places does as well. Sounds like it's not really SV's fault but whatever lawyer or company that is feeding the contract documentation to both them and Second Places.
This news was major lulz, the thread got irritating with the plagiarism debate but picked up with the bloke who earnestly proposed that the person drafting the TOS was 'thinking about EVE Online at the time' (ROLF)
The icing on the cake was the redraft with the original date.
This news was major lulz, the thread got irritating with the plagiarism debate but picked up with the bloke who earnestly proposed that the person drafting the TOS was 'thinking about EVE Online at the time' (ROLF)
The icing on the cake was the redraft with the original date.
I concur!
Less internet lawyer stuff and more lulz!!
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Hopefully it's only the EULA they cut and past, dont let them get their hands on CCP employee pay check, SV might soon get new employes on their payroll....
The more I think about this... the more things make sense.
We all know that there are many instances where "banned" people are back playing again. We all know that SV is in need of money. Are we therefore making a false assumption that this was unintended? I mean... in their world (which has only the faintest resemblance to reality) is it not possible that they thought it was a good idea to ban peoples account in OTHER games? This would presumably A) Punish the cheater Retain revenue for StarVault C) Deprive a competitor of funds...
Maybe they sat around and actually congratulated themselves on coming up with a win-win-win scenario....
I wonder if they've had an office pool running of how long it would take someone to notice it.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
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im jsut saying i have rarely seen a post get dleeted that i didnt feel warrented it. Im certainly not a fanboy. I doubt there are many fanboys left in mo tbh. Most rage quit a few mnoths after rleease when all their its beta excuses were no longer valid and their blind defense of the game was having to resort to constant lies. I t was those who always remained skeptical that stuck with the game becasue their fanboy dreams werent shattered. i do know many strange dealing etc went off with many of those people from bribing sv to harrasment of certain sv staff to being banned etc and many of those people involved are now die hard haters of the game.
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
lol - that's all I can say.
"In MO, even the haters are hardcore!" - ltank
"TO MICHAEL!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !! Do you realise what this means? SV staff doesn't even know the use of "find and replace" in a text editor...
No wonder they can't get this game to work...LOL thanks for this thread, you made my day !
Soo... they decided to "fix" the issue by ninja-editing the original TOS. Of course.. in typical SV fashion they do it half-assed and leave the original date...
And for those above discussing the right of the company to change the TOS. Yes of course that is true, but it doesn't become valid until agreed to by the user. Thus, those folks that were banned... have not and never will click on the new TOS which updates Mortal Online from EVE Online.
Whatever though.. it's really just about the lulz as these guys find new and exciting ways to fail.
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
This reminds me of the post where someone showed a screenshot in Age of Conan. They did a mouseover of the stats and the descriptions were the ones from Anarchy Online. Things like "Radiation AC" and "Sensory Improvement." Apparently they used the same engine or data from AO and forgot to change the descriptions to match AoC.
Im surprised that anyone actually read the end user license agreement....
Too funny...and yet pathetic and sad that Starvault did this.....
***raises plunger in salute to whomever found this out!***
All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
Playing: ESO, WOT, Smite, and Marvel Heroes
BWAAHAHAHAHAHA !!
Looked at the official MO forums to see what the reaction was. Saw a thread and then it got closed after a few posts with this line:
MO caught plagiarizing TOS
GM Gradius (GameMaster): "The situation has been resolved."
That poor GM. I can't imagine thinking shutting down threads where your game is this wrong is the solution. It looks worse than the original theft of TOS when you shut stuff down quick.
"TO MICHAEL!"
how predictable that my post is deleted and i am warned for bashing the people bashing the game instead of bashing the game like everyone else .
[Mod Edit]
Cyde I saw the post in question. It was not on topic and it was flaming another poster. They are pretty strict on that here. I do not think it has anything to do with people bashing or not bashing the game.
Wasn't even bashing the game but SV for being so lazy...
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boilerplate_(text)
A legal boilerplate is a standard provision in a contract. The wording of contracts needs to be very precise to stand up to legal scrutiny. Because of this some portions of common contracts (terms of service and EULAs for instance), Such shrinkwrap contracts are seldom read and may be legally unenforcable ( Klocek v. Gateway, Inc,)
Using the ToS without making the needed changes was lazy and sloppy, but not plagiarism. Plagiarism requires "representation of them as one's own original work". An original work is one not received from others nor one copied based on the work of others. Standardized contract language is about as far as you can get from "original"
A simple google search for "OR ONE OF ITS AUTHORIZED
REPRESENTATIVES MAY RESULT FROM FAILURE TO ABIDE BY THESE RULES. SUCH TERMINATION WILL NOT
ENTITLE YOU TO A REFUND OF ANY FEES PAID BY YOU FOR THE USE OF THE" (the section of text between "starvault" and "EVE") pulls up these...
http://www.secondplaces.net/opencms/opencms/virtualWorlds/unifier/SPUTandC.html
http://korrova.com/terms_of_use
http://apps.facebook.com/money_laundry/terms.php
http://www.wearevixen.com/hive/?page_id=215
The most egregious of these is Second place, who are "specialists in creating interactive virtual presences for our clients on virtual platforms such as OpenSIM, Unity and Second Life."
YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT TERMINATION OF YOUR USER ACCOUNT BY SECOND PLACES OR ONE OF ITS AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVES MAY RESULT FROM FAILURE TO ABIDE BY THESE RULES. SUCH TERMINATION WILL NOT ENTITLE YOU TO A REFUND OF ANY FEES PAID BY YOU FOR THE USE OF THE SERVICE, SERVERS OR WEB SITE. YOU WILL FORFEIT ANY UNUSED TIME REMAINING AT THE TIME OF TERMINATION.
YOU AGREE THAT THESE RULES WILL APPLY TO ANYONE THAT YOU GRANT PERMISSION TO ACCESS YOUR EVE ONLINE ACCOUNT OR USER INFORMATION. YOU AGREE THAT YOU WILL BE HELD PERSONALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CONSEQUENCES (WHICH CAN INCLUDE ACCOUNT TERMINATION) THAT MAY RESULT IF ANY SUCH PERSON BREAKS THE RULES DESCRIBED HEREIN.
quite well
there are 2 types of mmo, imitators and innovaters.
I don't think I've ever gotten so much enjoyment out of a game I've never played. Someday when there is a course on how not to run a video game company and how not to develop games, SV and SOE will be exhibits A and B.
I'm going to miss this failboat when it sinks.
I know this is possibly a stupid question. If it is working so well why is the pop so low and why are they not making any money?
So it's not just SV that has that "Eve Online" language in their TOS, Second Places does as well. Sounds like it's not really SV's fault but whatever lawyer or company that is feeding the contract documentation to both them and Second Places.
This news was major lulz, the thread got irritating with the plagiarism debate but picked up with the bloke who earnestly proposed that the person drafting the TOS was 'thinking about EVE Online at the time' (ROLF)
The icing on the cake was the redraft with the original date.
I concur!
Less internet lawyer stuff and more lulz!!
All time classic MY NEW FAVORITE POST! (Keep laying those bricks)
"I should point out that no other company has shipped out a beta on a disc before this." - Official Mortal Online Lead Community Moderator
Proudly wearing the Harbinger badge since Dec 23, 2017.
Coined the phrase "Role-Playing a Development Team" January 2018
"Oddly Slap is the main reason I stay in these forums." - Mystichaze April 9th 2018
Hopefully it's only the EULA they cut and past, dont let them get their hands on CCP employee pay check, SV might soon get new employes on their payroll....
I wonder if they've had an office pool running of how long it would take someone to notice it.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Just when you think you had seen it all.
Pretty damn funny.