Now the problem is an xpac full of chinese architecture, the national animal of china, and designed just for the chinese market and they expect Americans and Europeans to pay for it. Chinese players only pay 6 cents an hour to play WoW, 90% of the income comes from us, including the money to pay for the chinese xpac.
a chinese influenced expansion is not a problem at all. WoW is western game and all the content is americanized and chinese people still pay for it to play. So i see no problem in paying for an expansion influenced in Asian culture. It is still WoW. All i see is that the virtual life in WoW will also have different cultures, which is good.
i also was gonna argue about the 6 cents an hour but failed doing the calculations so i skipped that part LOL
So was WOTLK designed for the Nordic market?. Come on people..its just an asian themed expansion. Advanced Dungeons and Dragons made an asian themed continent back in the 80's for the PnP playerbase. It's not like they are catering to anyone in particular..they are just trying to diversify the cultures throughout Azeroth. I like this idea..the different cultures though i wanted to play a Wolvar. Damn Worgen.lol. I don't even play the game anymore and still don't understand what makes the idea so annoying to many or why...to some...the Pandaren are so unBEARable. Um...see what I did there. Nevermind.
Originally posted by rojo6934 Originally posted by GameOvr
Now the problem is an xpac full of chinese architecture, the national animal of china, and designed just for the chinese market and they expect Americans and Europeans to pay for it. Chinese players only pay 6 cents an hour to play WoW, 90% of the income comes from us, including the money to pay for the chinese xpac.
a chinese influenced expansion is not a problem at all. WoW is western game and all the content is americanized and chinese people still pay for it to play. So i see no problem in paying for an expansion influenced in Asian culture. It is still WoW. All i see is that the virtual life in WoW will also have different cultures, which is good. i also was gonna argue about the 6 cents an hour but failed doing the calculations so i skipped that part LOL
"Westerners" pay a little under 50 cents a day and the average "Westerner" makes double or triple (or more) the income of the average "Asian" citizen. Make of that what you will.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
I suggest every hater to send in a complete drawing of their imagined perfect race for WoW to Blizzard to see how well they do themselves. They seem to be pretty competent in complaining about others.
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW? As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
Yep OP your right and it sucks. Uldum was added for the Egyptians, Northrend for the Scotts and the Troll race started in Jamaica. When are we going to get some Irish, Italian, Greek and Americans in the game? And Russians, cant forget them. This is just rediculous !!! Damn you Blizzard, you racist pricks !!!
Really? This game sucks and Im not having fun? Im going to unsub right now. Thanks for the tip.
I suggest every hater to send in a complete drawing of their imagined perfect race for WoW to Blizzard to see how well they do themselves. They seem to be pretty competent in complaining about others.
You make the wrong assumption everyone wanted a new "unique" race. And secondly i have seen "ogres" and "high elves" being suggested more often in the past few years.
Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt. Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.
I think it's rediculous that everyday there is someone else talking about how much they hate WoW. If you don't like it, don't whine about it, just don't sub to it, and that will show Blizzard how much you don't like it. I doubt that the president of Blizzard Entertainment sits on here and reads every negative post about the game. If you don't like the direction the game is going in, just don't play. It's that simple, don't pay for it and you won't have to whine and complain about it.
World of Warcraft comes from Warhammer. Orcs vs human. Add trolls or dwarves in Warhammer and it's all good. Add kung fu pandas and uhhh... nope, it doesn't fit in the picture. So, it's the pandas, in my humble opinion
And there were some critics at Funcom for their asian theme expansion pack. At least they didn't add some cute furry race so they kinda kept it in the spirit of Age of Conan.
Are you seriously comparing WoWs version of fantasy to Conans' version? Come on man get real. Two very different versions of fantasy. Cutesy does not fit in Conan, go research the huge amount of lore associated with the IP. Cutesy does however fit in WoW. It has always been there regardless of people trying to ignore it.
WoW is not now, nor ever was a mature game. You people who think it is, have no basis except your own opinion. The rest of us step back and see it exactly as it is. A game aimed at youth, but enjoyed by many age groups.
World of Warcraft comes from Warhammer. Orcs vs human. Add trolls or dwarves in Warhammer and it's all good. Add kung fu pandas and uhhh... nope, it doesn't fit in the picture. So, it's the pandas, in my humble opinion
And there were some critics at Funcom for their asian theme expansion pack. At least they didn't add some cute furry race so they kinda kept it in the spirit of Age of Conan.
Are you seriously comparing WoWs version of fantasy to Conans' version? Come on man get real. Two very different versions of fantasy. Cutesy does not fit in Conan, go research the huge amount of lore associated with the IP. Cutesy does however fit in WoW. It has always been there regardless of people trying to ignore it.
WoW is not now, nor ever was a mature game. You people who think it is, have no basis except your own opinion. The rest of us step back and see it exactly as it is. A game aimed at youth, but enjoyed by many age groups.
A WoW based on the style of WC2 and not WC3 would have been more of what we want I think. (We being those who wish WoW wasnt such a 8 year old girl magnet).
World of Warcraft comes from Warhammer. Orcs vs human. Add trolls or dwarves in Warhammer and it's all good. Add kung fu pandas and uhhh... nope, it doesn't fit in the picture. So, it's the pandas, in my humble opinion
And there were some critics at Funcom for their asian theme expansion pack. At least they didn't add some cute furry race so they kinda kept it in the spirit of Age of Conan.
Are you seriously comparing WoWs version of fantasy to Conans' version? Come on man get real. Two very different versions of fantasy. Cutesy does not fit in Conan, go research the huge amount of lore associated with the IP. Cutesy does however fit in WoW. It has always been there regardless of people trying to ignore it.
WoW is not now, nor ever was a mature game. You people who think it is, have no basis except your own opinion. The rest of us step back and see it exactly as it is. A game aimed at youth, but enjoyed by many age groups.
Hm. You make it sound like a mature human being can't appreciate cuteness. Cutesy. Cute'essence. Pick one.
Originally posted by GameOvr Blizzard president Michael Mohaime who they call Maike Mo Han, did an interview for the Chinese Blizzard site blizzcn.com which was titled: Interview with Blizzard CEO Mike: We have a panda for the Chinese marketSome quotes from swell Maike Mo Han:Yesterday I received some feedback of Chinese gamers, they said the game will feel very excited about the introduction of Panda.I also think it makes the game more popular in the Chinese market.We also have their own in the Shanghai office, the culture of review for sensitive issues can be resolved faster and better.
The site is in Chinese but you can see for yourself 1) go to translate.google.com 2) set from chinese and to english 3) enter blizzcn.com in? text box on left bottom search for "interview with Blizzard CEO Mike: We have a panda for the Chinese market"?
Now the problem is an xpac full of chinese architecture, the national animal of china, and designed just for the chinese market and they expect Americans and Europeans to pay for it. Chinese players only pay 6 cents an hour to play WoW, 90% of the income comes from us, including the money to pay for the chinese xpac.
So you would prefer a bunch of stuff based on ... what exactly? Why weren't you complaining that Blizzard made and expansion pack for Scandinavians when WotLK was announced? Cuz thats obviously what they made that xpac for. To corner the market in Scandinavia. Right?
You guys give conspiracy theory a bad name.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Anyone who thinks the expansion is MoP solely to cater to the chinese market is the textbook definition of moron.
People want to conveniently ignore just how heavily requested Pandarens have been since day 1. Of course their continent will have a heavy asian feel to it, how could it not?
Theyve wanted a way to get them into the game since BC and this is the most logical way to do it.
But hey, the company being blasted for recycling content could have gone with another burning legion expansion instead, right?
A WoW based on the style of WC2 and not WC3 would have been more of what we want I think. (We being those who wish WoW wasnt such a 8 year old girl magnet).
Yes, that's fine. There is also a group of people who would have prefered WoW was in fact based on the Diablo IP instead of Warcraft. But this did not happen. Not a big deal considering how well WoW was made.
World of Warcraft comes from Warhammer. Orcs vs human. Add trolls or dwarves in Warhammer and it's all good. Add kung fu pandas and uhhh... nope, it doesn't fit in the picture. So, it's the pandas, in my humble opinion
And there were some critics at Funcom for their asian theme expansion pack. At least they didn't add some cute furry race so they kinda kept it in the spirit of Age of Conan.
Are you seriously comparing WoWs version of fantasy to Conans' version? [nothing of relevance] [World of Warcraft is ] A game aimed at youth, but enjoyed by many age groups.
Had you bothered reading the entire post, quotes included, you would have understood that I was answering to Volkmar's point. :-)
World of Warcraft is cartoony, but I wouldn't consider it cute compared to other art styles, regardless its targetted market.
Had you bothered reading the entire post, quotes included, you would have understood that I was answering to Volkmar's point. :-)
World of Warcraft is cartoony, but I wouldn't consider it cute compared to other art styles, regardless its targetted market.
I had bothered to read the entire post. Otherwise, would I have reason to reply?
You can ignore the targetted market if you like. You can also ignore the age rating on the box if you like. Go ahead ignore the facts. You not considering WoW cute compared to other art styles is completely subjective. Many others would disagree and say that it is cute in comparison. As an example : Fatalities in Conan would not be considered cute, whereas Gnomes in WoW would.
This however, is not what I was talking about. It was mostly about IPs. If you know the Conan IP at all, you would see many glaring differences in that version of fantasy in comparison to WoWs version.
For everybody glomming on to the weak argument that WotLK was just as much Scandinavian as MoP is Chinese.
If WotLK did not have oh the Lich King it would be like MoP.
If WotLK added Elk or Reindeer as a playable race it would be like MoP.
If WotLK was so reindeer-centric that for the first time it was the only race playable by both horde and alliance, just to make sure that all scandinavians regardless of which faction they play, can play a reindeer, it would be like MoP.
If WotLK only added scandinavian architecture and scandinavian themed music it would be like MoP.
if the CEO of Blizzard told the Orange County Register newspaper the week of blizzcon they thought their future was the Scandinavian Market it would be like MoP.
And if the CEO of Blizzard told the swedish wow site we made a Reindeer race for you and I think it will make the game more appealing in Sweden, it would be like MoP.
Now if all of those things happened, it would have been like MoP and just as ridiculous.
I suggest every hater to send in a complete drawing of their imagined perfect race for WoW to Blizzard to see how well they do themselves. They seem to be pretty competent in complaining about others.
You make the wrong assumption everyone wanted a new "unique" race. And secondly i have seen "ogres" and "high elves" being suggested more often in the past few years.
Can you imagine people whining about Ogres and High Elves as well?
I can.
Those Ogres are ugly as f***, it doesn't even fit the story
Those high elves looks like a bunch of p****, we don't want some female looking males
It isn't about unique or not, moral of the story is that whiners will whine no matter what is done.......or what isn't done. You can't win against them, they will just go find new things to b!tch about.
Chronic complainers see: A glass that is slightly chipped holding water that isn't cold enough, probably because its tap water when I asked for bottled water and wait, there's a smudge on the rim too, which means the glass wasn't cleaned properly and now I'll probably end up with some kind of virus-why do these things always happen to me?!
Despite how difficult their constant complaints are for those around them, chronic complainers do not usually see themselves as negative people. Rather they perceive themselves as forever being on the losing end of things, as drawing the short straw on a daily basis. Therefore they see the world as being negative and themselves as merely responding appropriately to the annoying, aggravating or unfortunate circumstances of their lives.
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Its pandas. get over it.
If you are worry about your masculinity by playing with pandas, you got something more worrying to worry about.
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW? As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
Originally posted by GameOvr For everybody glomming on to the weak argument that WotLK was just as much Scandinavian as MoP is Chinese.
If WotLK did not have oh the Lich King it would be like MoP. If WotLK added Elk or Reindeer as a playable race it would be like MoP. If WotLK was so reindeer-centric that for the first time it was the only race playable by both horde and alliance, just to make sure that all scandinavians regardless of which faction they play, can play a reindeer, it would be like MoP. If WotLK only added scandinavian architecture and scandinavian themed music it would be like MoP. if the CEO of Blizzard told the Orange County Register newspaper the week of blizzcon they thought their future was the Scandinavian Market it would be like MoP. And if the CEO of Blizzard told the swedish wow site we made a Reindeer race for you and I think it will make the game more appealing in Sweden, it would be like MoP.
Now if all of those things happened, it would have been like MoP and just as ridiculous.
I guess you'll just have to wait another few years for the mmo with a bald eagle boss at the top of the empire state building then. seeing as how you apparently wont be happy until they tailor an expansion to your exact country of origin.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
I just want to reiterate what most have said: Guild Wars made an Asian expansion, Age of Conan (arguably the most Western MMO you can think of, based on books by a very nationalistic western writer) made an Asian expansion...
Guess what? neither of those had this sort of backlash and most people agree that the AoC expansion was actually quite cool.
So either people REALLY hate Pandas or they REALLY hate Blizzard.
In either case, stop hating, it is bad for you in the long run.
World of Warcraft comes from Warhammer. Orcs vs human. Add trolls or dwarves in Warhammer and it's all good. Add kung fu pandas and uhhh... nope, it doesn't fit in the picture. So, it's the pandas, in my humble opinion
And there were some critics at Funcom for their asian theme expansion pack. At least they didn't add some cute furry race so they kinda kept it in the spirit of Age of Conan.
The most likely reason for the China-centric market push is the following.
I think blizzards strategy is to sell Titan to NA/EU and retire WoW to the Peoples Republic of Craptastic Computers in Internet Cafes, aka China.
The leaked Blizzard schedule from 2 years ago shows the last WoW xpac released at the same time as Titan. If Titan is not the replacement for WoW, there isn't going to be one.
THE PROBLEM was timing and execution, and a CEO with a big mouth, it looks like they might have killed off the cash cow two years before Titan is ready.
I suggest every hater to send in a complete drawing of their imagined perfect race for WoW to Blizzard to see how well they do themselves. They seem to be pretty competent in complaining about others.
You make the wrong assumption everyone wanted a new "unique" race. And secondly i have seen "ogres" and "high elves" being suggested more often in the past few years.
Seriously? High Elves? Can you hear the chorus of "not yet another gay elf" race? I surely can. Also I can hear the chorus of "Lazy devs, just changed eye colors to a race and called it a day".
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"
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But yeah, after EA/Bioware flop SWTOR, WoW dies - MMO's will be a dead market in North America & Europe.
a chinese influenced expansion is not a problem at all. WoW is western game and all the content is americanized and chinese people still pay for it to play. So i see no problem in paying for an expansion influenced in Asian culture. It is still WoW. All i see is that the virtual life in WoW will also have different cultures, which is good.
i also was gonna argue about the 6 cents an hour but failed doing the calculations so i skipped that part LOL
Pandas.....ROFL - Gotta love it. I will wait for the Pokemon expansion.
Seriously - Every gold pharmer will be sporting a level 10 Panda.
So was WOTLK designed for the Nordic market?. Come on people..its just an asian themed expansion. Advanced Dungeons and Dragons made an asian themed continent back in the 80's for the PnP playerbase. It's not like they are catering to anyone in particular..they are just trying to diversify the cultures throughout Azeroth. I like this idea..the different cultures though i wanted to play a Wolvar. Damn Worgen.lol. I don't even play the game anymore and still don't understand what makes the idea so annoying to many or why...to some...the Pandaren are so unBEARable. Um...see what I did there. Nevermind.
i also was gonna argue about the 6 cents an hour but failed doing the calculations so i skipped that part LOL
"Westerners" pay a little under 50 cents a day and the average "Westerner" makes double or triple (or more) the income of the average "Asian" citizen. Make of that what you will.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
People want unique races
People got unique races
People not happy
I suggest every hater to send in a complete drawing of their imagined perfect race for WoW to Blizzard to see how well they do themselves. They seem to be pretty competent in complaining about others.
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW?
As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
Yep OP your right and it sucks. Uldum was added for the Egyptians, Northrend for the Scotts and the Troll race started in Jamaica. When are we going to get some Irish, Italian, Greek and Americans in the game? And Russians, cant forget them. This is just rediculous !!! Damn you Blizzard, you racist pricks !!!
Really? This game sucks and Im not having fun? Im going to unsub right now. Thanks for the tip.
You make the wrong assumption everyone wanted a new "unique" race. And secondly i have seen "ogres" and "high elves" being suggested more often in the past few years.
Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt.
Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.
I think it's rediculous that everyday there is someone else talking about how much they hate WoW. If you don't like it, don't whine about it, just don't sub to it, and that will show Blizzard how much you don't like it. I doubt that the president of Blizzard Entertainment sits on here and reads every negative post about the game. If you don't like the direction the game is going in, just don't play. It's that simple, don't pay for it and you won't have to whine and complain about it.
Are you seriously comparing WoWs version of fantasy to Conans' version? Come on man get real. Two very different versions of fantasy. Cutesy does not fit in Conan, go research the huge amount of lore associated with the IP. Cutesy does however fit in WoW. It has always been there regardless of people trying to ignore it.
WoW is not now, nor ever was a mature game. You people who think it is, have no basis except your own opinion. The rest of us step back and see it exactly as it is. A game aimed at youth, but enjoyed by many age groups.
A WoW based on the style of WC2 and not WC3 would have been more of what we want I think. (We being those who wish WoW wasnt such a 8 year old girl magnet).
Hm. You make it sound like a mature human being can't appreciate cuteness. Cutesy. Cute'essence. Pick one.
So you would prefer a bunch of stuff based on ... what exactly? Why weren't you complaining that Blizzard made and expansion pack for Scandinavians when WotLK was announced? Cuz thats obviously what they made that xpac for. To corner the market in Scandinavia. Right?
You guys give conspiracy theory a bad name.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
Anyone who thinks the expansion is MoP solely to cater to the chinese market is the textbook definition of moron.
People want to conveniently ignore just how heavily requested Pandarens have been since day 1. Of course their continent will have a heavy asian feel to it, how could it not?
Theyve wanted a way to get them into the game since BC and this is the most logical way to do it.
But hey, the company being blasted for recycling content could have gone with another burning legion expansion instead, right?
Not sure where you got that. I didn't say it, nor imply it.
Yes, that's fine. There is also a group of people who would have prefered WoW was in fact based on the Diablo IP instead of Warcraft. But this did not happen. Not a big deal considering how well WoW was made.
Had you bothered reading the entire post, quotes included, you would have understood that I was answering to Volkmar's point. :-)
World of Warcraft is cartoony, but I wouldn't consider it cute compared to other art styles, regardless its targetted market.
I had bothered to read the entire post. Otherwise, would I have reason to reply?
You can ignore the targetted market if you like. You can also ignore the age rating on the box if you like. Go ahead ignore the facts. You not considering WoW cute compared to other art styles is completely subjective. Many others would disagree and say that it is cute in comparison. As an example : Fatalities in Conan would not be considered cute, whereas Gnomes in WoW would.
This however, is not what I was talking about. It was mostly about IPs. If you know the Conan IP at all, you would see many glaring differences in that version of fantasy in comparison to WoWs version.
For everybody glomming on to the weak argument that WotLK was just as much Scandinavian as MoP is Chinese.
If WotLK did not have oh the Lich King it would be like MoP.
If WotLK added Elk or Reindeer as a playable race it would be like MoP.
If WotLK was so reindeer-centric that for the first time it was the only race playable by both horde and alliance, just to make sure that all scandinavians regardless of which faction they play, can play a reindeer, it would be like MoP.
If WotLK only added scandinavian architecture and scandinavian themed music it would be like MoP.
if the CEO of Blizzard told the Orange County Register newspaper the week of blizzcon they thought their future was the Scandinavian Market it would be like MoP.
And if the CEO of Blizzard told the swedish wow site we made a Reindeer race for you and I think it will make the game more appealing in Sweden, it would be like MoP.
Now if all of those things happened, it would have been like MoP and just as ridiculous.
Can you imagine people whining about Ogres and High Elves as well?
I can.
Those Ogres are ugly as f***, it doesn't even fit the story
Those high elves looks like a bunch of p****, we don't want some female looking males
It isn't about unique or not, moral of the story is that whiners will whine no matter what is done.......or what isn't done. You can't win against them, they will just go find new things to b!tch about.
Chronic Complainers
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Optimists see: A glass half full.
Pessimists see: A glass half empty.
Chronic complainers see: A glass that is slightly chipped holding water that isn't cold enough, probably because its tap water when I asked for bottled water and wait, there's a smudge on the rim too, which means the glass wasn't cleaned properly and now I'll probably end up with some kind of virus-why do these things always happen to me?!
Despite how difficult their constant complaints are for those around them, chronic complainers do not usually see themselves as negative people. Rather they perceive themselves as forever being on the losing end of things, as drawing the short straw on a daily basis. Therefore they see the world as being negative and themselves as merely responding appropriately to the annoying, aggravating or unfortunate circumstances of their lives.
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Its pandas. get over it.
If you are worry about your masculinity by playing with pandas, you got something more worrying to worry about.
How much WoW could a WoWhater hate, if a WoWhater could hate WoW?
As much WoW as a WoWhater would, if a WoWhater could hate WoW.
I guess you'll just have to wait another few years for the mmo with a bald eagle boss at the top of the empire state building then. seeing as how you apparently wont be happy until they tailor an expansion to your exact country of origin.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
It is indeed
simply
the pandas.
The most likely reason for the China-centric market push is the following.
I think blizzards strategy is to sell Titan to NA/EU and retire WoW to the Peoples Republic of Craptastic Computers in Internet Cafes, aka China.
The leaked Blizzard schedule from 2 years ago shows the last WoW xpac released at the same time as Titan. If Titan is not the replacement for WoW, there isn't going to be one.
THE PROBLEM was timing and execution, and a CEO with a big mouth, it looks like they might have killed off the cash cow two years before Titan is ready.
good luck to get enough subs at Asian only market with all local f2p games around.
try before buy, even if it's a game to avoid bad surprises.
Worst surprises for me: Aion, GW2
Seriously? High Elves? Can you hear the chorus of "not yet another gay elf" race? I surely can. Also I can hear the chorus of "Lazy devs, just changed eye colors to a race and called it a day".
"If you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, if you teach him how to fish, you feed him for a lifetime"