K just for all u no innovation crap in tor there is innovation. Its there story and choice system no other mmo has that.
I did play tortage in aoc its not even close to tors system. its like comparing making fire with flint and tinder to making fire with a lighter or match.
Oh and graphics in tor to me are much bertter then aoc's u dont have to agree i just perfer tors style fo graphics to aoc im allowed to do that.
I dont undestand why the people who hate this game are so angry those of us who like thisg ame like it. And then if a fanboi points out a flaw in there lies or crap we have blinders on and cant take criticism of the game.
I can take the negative view points. One guy said he didnt like tor and was a sandbox guy and tor wasnt his game and even listed why and i respected that. I can see why he didnt like tor it was his type of game.
I like tor its my type of game im alowed to do that just cause i like tor doesnt make me a naive stupid idiot. im tired of those kinds of remarks being made because i like tor.
The haters vitriol is absurd. They act like my enjoying tor is a sin and im gonna go to hell or should go to jail for it. really get a grip its a game u dont like it cool i love it got it.
Hundreds and hundreds of posts later and still dont know what kind of game this will be.
Some1 playing the beta plz tell me: whats the difference between SWKotOR and WoW, AOC, WAR, LoTRO, EQ, L2, RIFT, etc etc etc?? Is the same create-a-toon-pickup-quest-kill-boars-deliver-quest-get-new-gear-whatever game but with a lightsaber, yes or no?? Just bring it already. Stop being fanboi or a hater, just be a friking gamer!!! GeeeeeeZZZ
Anything different going on in this game?? AION had wings, its same old crap style game, but it had something different. Some new stuff in SWKotOR???
Hundreds and hundreds of posts later and still dont know what kind of game this will be.
Some1 playing the beta plz tell me: whats the difference between SWKotOR and WoW, AOC, WAR, LoTRO, EQ, L2, RIFT, etc etc etc?? Is the same create-a-toon-pickup-quest-kill-boars-deliver-quest-get-new-gear-whatever game but with a lightsaber, yes or no?? Just bring it already. Stop being fanboi or a hater, just be a friking gamer!!! GeeeeeeZZZ
Anything different going on in this game?? AION had wings, its same old crap style game, but it had something different. Some new stuff in SWKotOR???
1. It's star wars
2. the quests are voiced instead of written.
everything else is arguable, but honestly, If those two things don't get you excited, i doubt any other argument will.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall Currently Playing: ESO
A Franchise MMO running $60-$150 in up front purchase cost and we expected more than a cookie cutter MMO that will reflect STO subs in 18 months? Who'd have thunk? Look at Min system requi. You can almost run this on a think pad so they were clearly going for mass appeal at least in a marketing sense.
I'm sure after it falls to under $30 I will be at a store getting my copy and it will be added to the 3 month marathon list of MMOs I can say I played but the sad truth is, we are all in a minority because Skyrim made more money than the last 5 MMOs to make the market. Its a console world and online game worlds are not the virtual playgrounds we hoped they would become.
Hundreds and hundreds of posts later and still dont know what kind of game this will be.
Some1 playing the beta plz tell me: whats the difference between SWKotOR and WoW, AOC, WAR, LoTRO, EQ, L2, RIFT, etc etc etc?? Is the same create-a-toon-pickup-quest-kill-boars-deliver-quest-get-new-gear-whatever game but with a lightsaber, yes or no?? Just bring it already. Stop being fanboi or a hater, just be a friking gamer!!! GeeeeeeZZZ
Anything different going on in this game?? AION had wings, its same old crap style game, but it had something different. Some new stuff in SWKotOR???
You don't have to read the quests in SWTOR. Someone speaks them to you during a conversation.
It is as similar to the above listed game as much as they are similar to each other. The voice acting went a long way when I tested it however. It put me in mind of playing a movie at times. It was pretty cool.
That being said, dispite the OPs post history, the OP has a valid point. The staying power is in question .... at least for myself. They could certainly make some improvements in areas. Space needs alot of improvement ...... it seems such a waste of game potential the way it is now. They have spoken about many things they wish to improve upon after release, time will tell as it always does.
If you like themepark games, chances are you will like SWTOR.
A Franchise MMO running $60-$150 in up front purchase cost and we expected more than a cookie cutter MMO that will reflect STO subs in 18 months? Who'd have thunk? Look at Min system requi. You can almost run this on a think pad so they were clearly going for mass appeal at least in a marketing sense.
I'm sure after it falls to under $30 I will be at a store getting my copy and it will be added to the 3 month marathon list of MMOs I can say I played but the sad truth is, we are all in a minority because Skyrim made more money than the last 5 MMOs to make the market. Its a console world and online game worlds are not the virtual playgrounds we hoped they would become.
This is particularly humorous to me because for me, apparently, I bought a console game for the PC!
Oh PC Skyrim, I do adore how superior you are to your console predecessors.
On topic: SWTORhas the most potential out of any of the upcoming ( and I'm speaking realistically about release dates ) MMOs to become the new sensation and compete for WoW's pretty throne and tiara. The Franchine is large enough, and the fans certainly rabid enough - time will tell, but, judging by my beta experiences, the force is definitely strong with this one.
A Franchise MMO running $60-$150 in up front purchase cost and we expected more than a cookie cutter MMO that will reflect STO subs in 18 months? Who'd have thunk? Look at Min system requi. You can almost run this on a think pad so they were clearly going for mass appeal at least in a marketing sense.
Why would you have expected more than exactly what Bioware has told you the game was going to be? It's going to be a themepark MMO with an emphasis on story. Period. They never said anything different. If you like themepark MMOs, as millions of players obviously still do, then this game will be a fantastic game for you. If you don't like themeparks, or are burned out on them, then this is probably not the game for you.
I'm not sure why people are complaining about what this game is when Bioware never said anything other than it being a themepark MMO from the very beginning. Will it be better than most themeparks? In my opinion...definitely. It's the most immersive, engaging, fun themepark I've played since Vanilla WoW, and in my own humble opinion is a more solid game than anything currently on the market as far as MMOs go. If that appeals you people, then I suggest they give it a shot. If it doesn't, then there are other games out there to play. But let's not act like we were deceived into thinking this game was going to be anything other than what it is.
And btw, anybody who actually thinks this game will EVER slip to STO levels in terms of subs is completely out to lunch.
Originally posted by Biggus99 Originally posted by free2play A Franchise MMO running $60-$150 in up front purchase cost and we expected more than a cookie cutter MMO that will reflect STO subs in 18 months? Who'd have thunk? Look at Min system requi. You can almost run this on a think pad so they were clearly going for mass appeal at least in a marketing sense.
Why would you have expected more than exactly what Bioware has told you the game was going to be? It's going to be a themepark MMO with an emphasis on story. Period. They never said anything different. If you like themepark MMOs, as millions of players obviously still do, then this game will be a fantastic game for you. If you don't like themeparks, or are burned out on them, then this is probably not the game for you. I'm not sure why people are complaining about what this game is when Bioware never said anything other than it being a themepark MMO from the very beginning. Will it be better than most themeparks? In my opinion...definitely. It's the most immersive, engaging, fun themepark I've played since Vanilla WoW, and in my own humble opinion is a more solid game than anything currently on the market as far as MMOs go. If that appeals you people, then I suggest they give it a shot. If it doesn't, then there are other games out there to play. But let's not act like we were deceived into thinking this game was going to be anything other than what it is.
Why do people keep asking why we would expect something different than what they told us .. most people don't. That doesn't mean we aren't displeased (my feeling not the feeling of the person you quoted) with this fact none-the-less.
There are only a handful of quality MMOs being developed, and none of them appeal to a lot of us who were around when this genre first started. There's not much else for us to do but come to sites like this and discuss these kinds of things and no matter how often you tell us that it is silly to do so .. we are probably still going to do it. Just like you are probably going to continue to ask ...
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
A Franchise MMO running $60-$150 in up front purchase cost and we expected more than a cookie cutter MMO that will reflect STO subs in 18 months? Who'd have thunk? Look at Min system requi. You can almost run this on a think pad so they were clearly going for mass appeal at least in a marketing sense.
Why would you have expected more than exactly what Bioware has told you the game was going to be? It's going to be a themepark MMO with an emphasis on story. Period. They never said anything different. If you like themepark MMOs, as millions of players obviously still do, then this game will be a fantastic game for you. If you don't like themeparks, or are burned out on them, then this is probably not the game for you.
I'm not sure why people are complaining about what this game is when Bioware never said anything other than it being a themepark MMO from the very beginning. Will it be better than most themeparks? In my opinion...definitely. It's the most immersive, engaging, fun themepark I've played since Vanilla WoW, and in my own humble opinion is a more solid game than anything currently on the market as far as MMOs go. If that appeals you people, then I suggest they give it a shot. If it doesn't, then there are other games out there to play. But let's not act like we were deceived into thinking this game was going to be anything other than what it is.
And btw, anybody who actually thinks this game will EVER slip to STO levels in terms of subs is completely out to lunch.
What makes you assume I expected anything from Bioware?
What makes you assume I am complaining?
What makes you assume SWTOR is immuned to decline any more than STO was?
Sorry if I can't get excited for the next chapter in WoW envy. I never played WoW. It doesnt mean as much to me.
A Franchise MMO running $60-$150 in up front purchase cost and we expected more than a cookie cutter MMO that will reflect STO subs in 18 months? Who'd have thunk? Look at Min system requi. You can almost run this on a think pad so they were clearly going for mass appeal at least in a marketing sense.
Why would you have expected more than exactly what Bioware has told you the game was going to be? It's going to be a themepark MMO with an emphasis on story. Period. They never said anything different. If you like themepark MMOs, as millions of players obviously still do, then this game will be a fantastic game for you. If you don't like themeparks, or are burned out on them, then this is probably not the game for you.
I'm not sure why people are complaining about what this game is when Bioware never said anything other than it being a themepark MMO from the very beginning. Will it be better than most themeparks? In my opinion...definitely. It's the most immersive, engaging, fun themepark I've played since Vanilla WoW, and in my own humble opinion is a more solid game than anything currently on the market as far as MMOs go. If that appeals you people, then I suggest they give it a shot. If it doesn't, then there are other games out there to play. But let's not act like we were deceived into thinking this game was going to be anything other than what it is.
And btw, anybody who actually thinks this game will EVER slip to STO levels in terms of subs is completely out to lunch.
What makes you assume I expected anything from Bioware?
What makes you assume I am complaining?
What makes you assume SWTOR is immuned to decline any more than STO was?
Sorry if I can't get excited for the next chapter in WoW envy. I never played WoW. It doesnt mean as much to me.
I love it when people lie about never playing WoW, thinking that it makes them look cool.
Why do people keep asking why we would expect something different than what they told us .. most people don't.
How could you possibly have any idea what "most" people want? Assumption #1.
Actions speak louder than words, and in this case, paint a very clear picture.
That doesn't mean we aren't displeased (my feeling not the feeling of the person you quoted) with this fact none-the-less.
Being displeased is a completely normal reaction. Voicing that displeasure repeatedly, when you have quite clearly made your opinion known, is why people get frustrated.
There are only a handful of quality MMOs being developed, and none of them appeal to a lot of us who were around when this genre first started.
Assumption # 2. You have no idea how long any particular poster has been involved in this genre of gaming for. Yet, you assume that you do.
There's not much else for us to do but come to sites like this and discuss these kinds of things and no matter how often you tell us that it is silly to do so .. we are probably still going to do it. Just like you are probably going to continue to ask ...
You could try just accepting that this particular game isn't for you, no amount of complaining on these forums (or any forum) is going to change the game into something you might enjoy.
Why do people keep asking why we would expect something different than what they told us .. most people don't. That doesn't mean we aren't displeased (my feeling not the feeling of the person you quoted) with this fact none-the-less.
There are only a handful of quality MMOs being developed, and none of them appeal to a lot of us who were around when this genre first started. There's not much else for us to do but come to sites like this and discuss these kinds of things and no matter how often you tell us that it is silly to do so .. we are probably still going to do it. Just like you are probably going to continue to ask ...
So you don't think it's kind of silly to suddenly be displeased with the fact that SWTOR developed a themepark MMO modeled after the current themepark style when BioWare said from the first day they announced the game that it is exactly what they were going to do?
That would be like me going over to the the forums of a sandbox game like Mortal Online and complaining about the fact that there isn't enough content and questing, even though it was quite obvious that game was never going to be about that to begin with. Seems kind of pointless to me. I can understand not liking the themepark style of game and even being unhappy that Bioware went that route, but to say "We expected more than a cookie cutter themepark game" from Bioware when they never told us it was going to be anything other than that seems pretty silly and a waste of effort. Fact is, they didn't EXPECT more than a themepark game, they are just pissed that that's the route they went with it.
A Franchise MMO running $60-$150 in up front purchase cost and we expected more than a cookie cutter MMO that will reflect STO subs in 18 months? Who'd have thunk? Look at Min system requi. You can almost run this on a think pad so they were clearly going for mass appeal at least in a marketing sense.
Why would you have expected more than exactly what Bioware has told you the game was going to be? It's going to be a themepark MMO with an emphasis on story. Period. They never said anything different. If you like themepark MMOs, as millions of players obviously still do, then this game will be a fantastic game for you. If you don't like themeparks, or are burned out on them, then this is probably not the game for you.
I'm not sure why people are complaining about what this game is when Bioware never said anything other than it being a themepark MMO from the very beginning. Will it be better than most themeparks? In my opinion...definitely. It's the most immersive, engaging, fun themepark I've played since Vanilla WoW, and in my own humble opinion is a more solid game than anything currently on the market as far as MMOs go. If that appeals you people, then I suggest they give it a shot. If it doesn't, then there are other games out there to play. But let's not act like we were deceived into thinking this game was going to be anything other than what it is.
And btw, anybody who actually thinks this game will EVER slip to STO levels in terms of subs is completely out to lunch.
What makes you assume I expected anything from Bioware?
What makes you assume I am complaining?
What makes you assume SWTOR is immuned to decline any more than STO was?
Sorry if I can't get excited for the next chapter in WoW envy. I never played WoW. It doesnt mean as much to me.
Aside from you saying "We expected?" Gee, I don't know. And congratulations on not being one of the 11 million players who have played WoW. And congrats on not being one of millions that will play this game. Badge of honor for you.
Originally posted by Kost Originally posted by azmundai
Why do people keep asking why we would expect something different than what they told us .. most people don't. How could you possibly have any idea what "most" people want? Assumption #1. Actions speak louder than words, and in this case, paint a very clear picture. That doesn't mean we aren't displeased (my feeling not the feeling of the person you quoted) with this fact none-the-less. Being displeased is a completely normal reaction. Voicing that displeasure repeatedly, when you have quite clearly made your opinion known, is why people get frustrated. There are only a handful of quality MMOs being developed, and none of them appeal to a lot of us who were around when this genre first started. Assumption # 2. You have no idea how long any particular poster has been involved in this genre of gaming for. Yet, you assume that you do. There's not much else for us to do but come to sites like this and discuss these kinds of things and no matter how often you tell us that it is silly to do so .. we are probably still going to do it. Just like you are probably going to continue to ask ... You could try just accepting that this particular game isn't for you, no amount of complaining on these forums (or any forum) is going to change the game into something you might enjoy. Food for thought.
good lord .. its fodder for the merciless around here. I was replying to a specific reply .. I shouldn't have said most people. you win .. im a moron .. good job calling me on that. someday there will be a forum police badge, and you'll get it.
and the exact same thing can be said for a huge amount (not most .. not some .. not 12% ... some other number I don't know and am admitting to not knowing so you dont have to spend any time telling me I couldn't possibly know that .. i dont know it .. and don't pretend to know it and dont ever really mean to pretend to know anything .. even though sometimes it might seem to some like I do) of the posts on this forum.
I AM (and by I am I mean WE AREN'T (which of course you will be quick to point out I have no way of knowing)) NOT TRYING TO CHANGE THE DAMN GAME ALREADY. I (we) don't pretend to have that power .. that doesn't mean I (and of course, you guessed it, I mean we (as if I know more than 2 people on here with enough certainty to say)) don't have opinions to express.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
geeze where the ignore thread / person button on this forum .. it really is about time.
if someone doesnt make a decent game that has more than a few months worth of story in it soon im going to be banned from the interwebz from getting baited into this trash.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
You kind of bring it on yourself, seriously, step back and take a long look at some of your posts.
You act arrogant and uppity, make incorrect assumptions about varied subjects, try to call out every single person you can when they make a mistake and then you fly into complete and utter denial anytime someone points out an error on your part.
You never seem to take responsibility for your words, regardless of how incorrect something you said was, and always try to lay the blame on the opposing individual(s).
You don't need an ignore button, the solution is a simple one: stop posting in threads related to a game you obviously hate, and start posting in threads for games you actually give a shit about (you know, that small handful you were mentioning earlier).
Problem solved.
PS: The forum has had a block feature for quite some time, right in plain view on every single post created.
A Franchise MMO running $60-$150 in up front purchase cost and we expected more than a cookie cutter MMO that will reflect STO subs in 18 months? Who'd have thunk? Look at Min system requi. You can almost run this on a think pad so they were clearly going for mass appeal at least in a marketing sense.
Why would you have expected more than exactly what Bioware has told you the game was going to be? It's going to be a themepark MMO with an emphasis on story. Period. They never said anything different. If you like themepark MMOs, as millions of players obviously still do, then this game will be a fantastic game for you. If you don't like themeparks, or are burned out on them, then this is probably not the game for you.
I'm not sure why people are complaining about what this game is when Bioware never said anything other than it being a themepark MMO from the very beginning. Will it be better than most themeparks? In my opinion...definitely. It's the most immersive, engaging, fun themepark I've played since Vanilla WoW, and in my own humble opinion is a more solid game than anything currently on the market as far as MMOs go. If that appeals you people, then I suggest they give it a shot. If it doesn't, then there are other games out there to play. But let's not act like we were deceived into thinking this game was going to be anything other than what it is.
And btw, anybody who actually thinks this game will EVER slip to STO levels in terms of subs is completely out to lunch.
What makes you assume I expected anything from Bioware?
What makes you assume I am complaining?
What makes you assume SWTOR is immuned to decline any more than STO was?
Sorry if I can't get excited for the next chapter in WoW envy. I never played WoW. It doesnt mean as much to me.
I love it when people lie about never playing WoW, thinking that it makes them look cool.
Loaded the trial twice. Never bought it, never paid for it. Think what you want, makes no difference to me.
Played SWG, EVE Online, DAoC, STO, PotBS, LotRO, DAoC, Aion, AoC, Tabula Rasa, FF14, Entropia, Perpetuum, Runescape, UWO, Saga of Ryzom, Evony (if that counts) and I'm sure a few I missed. WoW? Nope, never played. I give you B- for derailment though.
Originally posted by Kost You kind of bring it on yourself, seriously, step back and take a long look at some of your posts. You act arrogant and uppity, make incorrect assumptions about varied subjects, try to call out every single person you can when they make a mistake and then you fly into complete and utter denial anytime someone points out an error on your part. You never seem to take responsibility for your words, regardless of how incorrect something you said was, and always try to lay the blame on the opposing individual(s). You don't need an ignore button, the solution is a simple one: stop posting in threads related to a game you obviously hate, and start posting in threads for games you actually give a shit about (you know, that small handful you were mentioning earlier). Problem solved.
I dont hate it .. seeing as you've read so many of my posts .. id assume you'd have read me saying that I think it is a good game and do well. Surely since you are so equipped to call me uppity and arrogant you have read me saying that and would know I dont hate the game.
Ahh but of course there is this constant need to polarize what everyone says and make assumptions that just because I like sandbox games, or just because I don't like certain things about a specific game I must hate it and a witch hunt must ensue!!
I played wow for 6+ years .. I still play it .. I couldn't possibly hate swtor .. that doesn't mean things like space on rails doesn't irritate the hell out of me. Or that I don't worry that 3 months or 50 levels of "go here .. kill that" which, loosely speaking, is what this thread is about (not whether "we" expect to change things .. or whether "we" are suddenly suprised its a themepark not a sandbox) .. aren't going to get to me.
My posts are fine for the most part .. nice general accusations you have there. utter denial? lol .. thats particularly cute. id love to know which post brought on that combination of guised insults. As if you've actually sat around reading my post history so that you could confidently respond .. mid-thread .. to what I said.
Oh, do you actually have any thoughts on what has been discussed or were you just here in this thread to let me know I used the word we, and that you dont approve of my use of it? Like maybe an impression on how mobs react and how pull chains work in your experience?
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity. I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
If I were Lucas and I thought pink fluff bunny kittens as Jedi's source of power would help me sell more plastic I'd find a way to write em in "lore". Jeeez we're not talking about the holy Bible or the epic of Gilgamesh here.
I simply don't care for my SW experience to look like this:
It's just moronic. It makes me sad I ever thought SW was something. It's like this dreadful perma-haird moron is pissing on my childhood and laughing.
It's just disgusting.
If you grew up on the prequels than have my respect... and pity. I close my case and bugger off into my parallel reality where Lucas didn't turn out to be a terrible California-uber-alles creep and Star Wars is still something more than a vapid brainless vehicle for selling shiny toys (and "you are a HERO" games.)
You wrote pretty much how I feel about the whole Star Wars IP now. This is why I will not support this game, or anything associated with Lucus (other than a short try with SWG way back when). Nothing done with Star Wars is worth anything after 1983. The major downfall started with the crappy re-release of the original triology. I try to block out the whole prequel disaster as if it never happened, and leave it to my imagination as to the history.
Star Wars used to be a wonderful, dare I say almost religious experience for me. Heck, I even remember playing the roleplaying game back in college around 1990. However, it turned into a pew pew fest with multicolored lightsabers, and a very obvious grab for money with anything related to it now.
As far as the mechanics of the game itself, to me it just looks like it will suffer the same fate as DDO. How many times do you run the same instance, with the same dialogue, with the same pre-programmed mobs and locations before you know it by heart and get bored to tears. Well, I hope some people get their moneies worth at least.
After experiencing SWTOR, I now realize why story was their main point of interest: SWTOR offers very little innovation outside of story. I find it to be a MUCH more linear version of WoW.
I personally can't imagine paying monthly for it past 2 months. This is my honest take on the game.
Yep a single player game with a frigging monthly fee which I'll be paying for if the kids make it past a month.
After experiencing SWTOR, I now realize why story was their main point of interest: SWTOR offers very little innovation outside of story. I find it to be a MUCH more linear version of WoW.
I personally can't imagine paying monthly for it past 2 months. This is my honest take on the game.
Yep a single player game with a frigging monthly fee which I'll be paying for if the kids make it past a month.
Thank you for contributing to the game I choose to play. I really love the haters, really I do. You hate the game, yet you are going to buy it, oh well your money helps pay for the ones who are actually going to enjoy the game so Thanks
Yep a single player game with a frigging monthly fee which I'll be paying for if the kids make it past a month.
Simple solution: don't buy it.
I have no idea what age your kids are that you talk about so often (your profile says 25 yrs, so mayb 5 or 6, 7 years at most? Unless some info you're providing is ofc wrong) so buy them a game that's either singleplayer like a Skyrim or Zelda, or an MMORPG that's F2P like a Champions Online or LotrO.
I mean, if you really have such strong doubts about them liking it or don't think they'll enjoy it for more than a month or even dislike paying for it monthly if they do like it, then why not give them something else that are far better presents to give and that they do like? I mean, you've said it often yourselves that your kids were kind of meh about SWTOR, what kind of parent would give them something he/she already knows they're not enthusiastic about, something that the parent himself doesn't like as well and would dislike to pay a monthly sub for?
It's not as if there aren't enough alternatives to give as present, it just requires some looking around and be sensible as a parent.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
After experiencing SWTOR, I now realize why story was their main point of interest: SWTOR offers very little innovation outside of story. I find it to be a MUCH more linear version of WoW.
I personally can't imagine paying monthly for it past 2 months. This is my honest take on the game.
Yep a single player game with a frigging monthly fee which I'll be paying for if the kids make it past a month.
Same old broken record ehh? 'Swtor is a single player game'. Whats new really? when beta keys are so easily avilable and anyone can play it and try for themselves, i don't know how anyone would even believe this nonsense. You hate the game fine but come on atleast stop with the lies. It was cute when there was NDA and people couldn't back up their claims with facts. Situtation had changed now.
This is not a single player game thats a lie that has to go u people need to realize its a lie. Im sorry u dont have to like tor but stop the lies like that one its old and wrong.
U can grop from the time u start this game till the time u max it out even through end game content. its not a single player game at all.
Its solo freindly like all themepark mmos now. U cont have to group but can There are reasons to group like heroic quests on starter worlds even that give u better gear then ud get from the normal quests and such.
There is world bosses, There is everything any themepark mmo has to group up for dungeons, raids.pvp, etc.
This is not a single player game u pay a monthly fee for so lets stop that lie haters.
That said i dont expect everyone to love tor but i did. Th story and choices were so immersive the kill x and y quests even felt like fun.
I judge a game on one thing. do i enjoy playign and the resounding answer when i played tor and tested out bh , inquisitor , smuggler, and jedi knight was hell yea.
The story and choices felt like that mattered. Do the choices influence the world around me no but they felt like the chocies mattered to my character.
Sure the mechanics and combat are familiar to wow. That said the world are big even for starter worlds kooriban being the smallerst. Combat was familiar but star wars spin on the classes plus the fact u fight 3 guys at least most of the time makes combat feel more heroic.
To me at least. Look its a theempark mmo with biowares story and choices adn companions added in. if u dont like themeparks or bioware games u wont like tor if u do like themepark style mmos and bioware games ull probably like tor.
I thinmk it retains players with its class stories and all the otehr stuff u can do while u levell other then quests like its unique c rafting and the fact u can run flashpoints that are story based with group conversations which are cool to see.
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K just for all u no innovation crap in tor there is innovation. Its there story and choice system no other mmo has that.
I did play tortage in aoc its not even close to tors system. its like comparing making fire with flint and tinder to making fire with a lighter or match.
Oh and graphics in tor to me are much bertter then aoc's u dont have to agree i just perfer tors style fo graphics to aoc im allowed to do that.
I dont undestand why the people who hate this game are so angry those of us who like thisg ame like it. And then if a fanboi points out a flaw in there lies or crap we have blinders on and cant take criticism of the game.
I can take the negative view points. One guy said he didnt like tor and was a sandbox guy and tor wasnt his game and even listed why and i respected that. I can see why he didnt like tor it was his type of game.
I like tor its my type of game im alowed to do that just cause i like tor doesnt make me a naive stupid idiot. im tired of those kinds of remarks being made because i like tor.
The haters vitriol is absurd. They act like my enjoying tor is a sin and im gonna go to hell or should go to jail for it. really get a grip its a game u dont like it cool i love it got it.
Hundreds and hundreds of posts later and still dont know what kind of game this will be.
Some1 playing the beta plz tell me: whats the difference between SWKotOR and WoW, AOC, WAR, LoTRO, EQ, L2, RIFT, etc etc etc?? Is the same create-a-toon-pickup-quest-kill-boars-deliver-quest-get-new-gear-whatever game but with a lightsaber, yes or no?? Just bring it already. Stop being fanboi or a hater, just be a friking gamer!!! GeeeeeeZZZ
Anything different going on in this game?? AION had wings, its same old crap style game, but it had something different. Some new stuff in SWKotOR???
1. It's star wars
2. the quests are voiced instead of written.
everything else is arguable, but honestly, If those two things don't get you excited, i doubt any other argument will.
"Id rather work on something with great potential than on fulfilling a promise of mediocrity."
- Raph Koster
Tried: AO,EQ,EQ2,DAoC,SWG,AA,SB,HZ,CoX,PS,GA,TR,IV,GnH,EVE, PP,DnL,WAR,MxO,SWG,FE,VG,AoC,DDO,LoTRO,Rift,TOR,Aion,Tera,TSW,GW2,DCUO,CO,STO
Favourites: AO,SWG,EVE,TR,LoTRO,TSW,EQ2, Firefall
Currently Playing: ESO
A Franchise MMO running $60-$150 in up front purchase cost and we expected more than a cookie cutter MMO that will reflect STO subs in 18 months? Who'd have thunk? Look at Min system requi. You can almost run this on a think pad so they were clearly going for mass appeal at least in a marketing sense.
I'm sure after it falls to under $30 I will be at a store getting my copy and it will be added to the 3 month marathon list of MMOs I can say I played but the sad truth is, we are all in a minority because Skyrim made more money than the last 5 MMOs to make the market. Its a console world and online game worlds are not the virtual playgrounds we hoped they would become.
You don't have to read the quests in SWTOR. Someone speaks them to you during a conversation.
It is as similar to the above listed game as much as they are similar to each other. The voice acting went a long way when I tested it however. It put me in mind of playing a movie at times. It was pretty cool.
That being said, dispite the OPs post history, the OP has a valid point. The staying power is in question .... at least for myself. They could certainly make some improvements in areas. Space needs alot of improvement ...... it seems such a waste of game potential the way it is now. They have spoken about many things they wish to improve upon after release, time will tell as it always does.
If you like themepark games, chances are you will like SWTOR.
~Hairysun
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This is particularly humorous to me because for me, apparently, I bought a console game for the PC!
Oh PC Skyrim, I do adore how superior you are to your console predecessors.
On topic: SWTORhas the most potential out of any of the upcoming ( and I'm speaking realistically about release dates ) MMOs to become the new sensation and compete for WoW's pretty throne and tiara. The Franchine is large enough, and the fans certainly rabid enough - time will tell, but, judging by my beta experiences, the force is definitely strong with this one.
Why would you have expected more than exactly what Bioware has told you the game was going to be? It's going to be a themepark MMO with an emphasis on story. Period. They never said anything different. If you like themepark MMOs, as millions of players obviously still do, then this game will be a fantastic game for you. If you don't like themeparks, or are burned out on them, then this is probably not the game for you.
I'm not sure why people are complaining about what this game is when Bioware never said anything other than it being a themepark MMO from the very beginning. Will it be better than most themeparks? In my opinion...definitely. It's the most immersive, engaging, fun themepark I've played since Vanilla WoW, and in my own humble opinion is a more solid game than anything currently on the market as far as MMOs go. If that appeals you people, then I suggest they give it a shot. If it doesn't, then there are other games out there to play. But let's not act like we were deceived into thinking this game was going to be anything other than what it is.
And btw, anybody who actually thinks this game will EVER slip to STO levels in terms of subs is completely out to lunch.
Why would you have expected more than exactly what Bioware has told you the game was going to be? It's going to be a themepark MMO with an emphasis on story. Period. They never said anything different. If you like themepark MMOs, as millions of players obviously still do, then this game will be a fantastic game for you. If you don't like themeparks, or are burned out on them, then this is probably not the game for you.
I'm not sure why people are complaining about what this game is when Bioware never said anything other than it being a themepark MMO from the very beginning. Will it be better than most themeparks? In my opinion...definitely. It's the most immersive, engaging, fun themepark I've played since Vanilla WoW, and in my own humble opinion is a more solid game than anything currently on the market as far as MMOs go. If that appeals you people, then I suggest they give it a shot. If it doesn't, then there are other games out there to play. But let's not act like we were deceived into thinking this game was going to be anything other than what it is.
Why do people keep asking why we would expect something different than what they told us .. most people don't. That doesn't mean we aren't displeased (my feeling not the feeling of the person you quoted) with this fact none-the-less.
There are only a handful of quality MMOs being developed, and none of them appeal to a lot of us who were around when this genre first started. There's not much else for us to do but come to sites like this and discuss these kinds of things and no matter how often you tell us that it is silly to do so .. we are probably still going to do it. Just like you are probably going to continue to ask ...
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
What makes you assume I expected anything from Bioware?
What makes you assume I am complaining?
What makes you assume SWTOR is immuned to decline any more than STO was?
Sorry if I can't get excited for the next chapter in WoW envy. I never played WoW. It doesnt mean as much to me.
I love it when people lie about never playing WoW, thinking that it makes them look cool.
So you don't think it's kind of silly to suddenly be displeased with the fact that SWTOR developed a themepark MMO modeled after the current themepark style when BioWare said from the first day they announced the game that it is exactly what they were going to do?
That would be like me going over to the the forums of a sandbox game like Mortal Online and complaining about the fact that there isn't enough content and questing, even though it was quite obvious that game was never going to be about that to begin with. Seems kind of pointless to me. I can understand not liking the themepark style of game and even being unhappy that Bioware went that route, but to say "We expected more than a cookie cutter themepark game" from Bioware when they never told us it was going to be anything other than that seems pretty silly and a waste of effort. Fact is, they didn't EXPECT more than a themepark game, they are just pissed that that's the route they went with it.
Aside from you saying "We expected?" Gee, I don't know. And congratulations on not being one of the 11 million players who have played WoW. And congrats on not being one of millions that will play this game. Badge of honor for you.
How could you possibly have any idea what "most" people want? Assumption #1.
Actions speak louder than words, and in this case, paint a very clear picture.
That doesn't mean we aren't displeased (my feeling not the feeling of the person you quoted) with this fact none-the-less.
Being displeased is a completely normal reaction. Voicing that displeasure repeatedly, when you have quite clearly made your opinion known, is why people get frustrated.
There are only a handful of quality MMOs being developed, and none of them appeal to a lot of us who were around when this genre first started.
Assumption # 2. You have no idea how long any particular poster has been involved in this genre of gaming for. Yet, you assume that you do.
There's not much else for us to do but come to sites like this and discuss these kinds of things and no matter how often you tell us that it is silly to do so .. we are probably still going to do it. Just like you are probably going to continue to ask ...
You could try just accepting that this particular game isn't for you, no amount of complaining on these forums (or any forum) is going to change the game into something you might enjoy.
Food for thought.
good lord .. its fodder for the merciless around here. I was replying to a specific reply .. I shouldn't have said most people. you win .. im a moron .. good job calling me on that. someday there will be a forum police badge, and you'll get it.
and the exact same thing can be said for a huge amount (not most .. not some .. not 12% ... some other number I don't know and am admitting to not knowing so you dont have to spend any time telling me I couldn't possibly know that .. i dont know it .. and don't pretend to know it and dont ever really mean to pretend to know anything .. even though sometimes it might seem to some like I do) of the posts on this forum.
I AM (and by I am I mean WE AREN'T (which of course you will be quick to point out I have no way of knowing)) NOT TRYING TO CHANGE THE DAMN GAME ALREADY. I (we) don't pretend to have that power .. that doesn't mean I (and of course, you guessed it, I mean we (as if I know more than 2 people on here with enough certainty to say)) don't have opinions to express.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
geeze where the ignore thread / person button on this forum .. it really is about time.
if someone doesnt make a decent game that has more than a few months worth of story in it soon im going to be banned from the interwebz from getting baited into this trash.
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
You kind of bring it on yourself, seriously, step back and take a long look at some of your posts.
You act arrogant and uppity, make incorrect assumptions about varied subjects, try to call out every single person you can when they make a mistake and then you fly into complete and utter denial anytime someone points out an error on your part.
You never seem to take responsibility for your words, regardless of how incorrect something you said was, and always try to lay the blame on the opposing individual(s).
You don't need an ignore button, the solution is a simple one: stop posting in threads related to a game you obviously hate, and start posting in threads for games you actually give a shit about (you know, that small handful you were mentioning earlier).
Problem solved.
PS: The forum has had a block feature for quite some time, right in plain view on every single post created.
Loaded the trial twice. Never bought it, never paid for it. Think what you want, makes no difference to me.
Played SWG, EVE Online, DAoC, STO, PotBS, LotRO, DAoC, Aion, AoC, Tabula Rasa, FF14, Entropia, Perpetuum, Runescape, UWO, Saga of Ryzom, Evony (if that counts) and I'm sure a few I missed. WoW? Nope, never played. I give you B- for derailment though.
Ahh but of course there is this constant need to polarize what everyone says and make assumptions that just because I like sandbox games, or just because I don't like certain things about a specific game I must hate it and a witch hunt must ensue!!
I played wow for 6+ years .. I still play it .. I couldn't possibly hate swtor .. that doesn't mean things like space on rails doesn't irritate the hell out of me. Or that I don't worry that 3 months or 50 levels of "go here .. kill that" which, loosely speaking, is what this thread is about (not whether "we" expect to change things .. or whether "we" are suddenly suprised its a themepark not a sandbox) .. aren't going to get to me.
My posts are fine for the most part .. nice general accusations you have there. utter denial? lol .. thats particularly cute. id love to know which post brought on that combination of guised insults. As if you've actually sat around reading my post history so that you could confidently respond .. mid-thread .. to what I said.
Oh, do you actually have any thoughts on what has been discussed or were you just here in this thread to let me know I used the word we, and that you dont approve of my use of it? Like maybe an impression on how mobs react and how pull chains work in your experience?
LFD tools are great for cramming people into content, but quality > quantity.
I am, usually on the sandbox .. more "hardcore" side of things, but I also do just want to have fun. So lighten up already
You wrote pretty much how I feel about the whole Star Wars IP now. This is why I will not support this game, or anything associated with Lucus (other than a short try with SWG way back when). Nothing done with Star Wars is worth anything after 1983. The major downfall started with the crappy re-release of the original triology. I try to block out the whole prequel disaster as if it never happened, and leave it to my imagination as to the history.
Star Wars used to be a wonderful, dare I say almost religious experience for me. Heck, I even remember playing the roleplaying game back in college around 1990. However, it turned into a pew pew fest with multicolored lightsabers, and a very obvious grab for money with anything related to it now.
As far as the mechanics of the game itself, to me it just looks like it will suffer the same fate as DDO. How many times do you run the same instance, with the same dialogue, with the same pre-programmed mobs and locations before you know it by heart and get bored to tears. Well, I hope some people get their moneies worth at least.
This.
Yep a single player game with a frigging monthly fee which I'll be paying for if the kids make it past a month.
Thank you for contributing to the game I choose to play. I really love the haters, really I do. You hate the game, yet you are going to buy it, oh well your money helps pay for the ones who are actually going to enjoy the game so Thanks
In Bioware we trust!
Simple solution: don't buy it.
I have no idea what age your kids are that you talk about so often (your profile says 25 yrs, so mayb 5 or 6, 7 years at most? Unless some info you're providing is ofc wrong) so buy them a game that's either singleplayer like a Skyrim or Zelda, or an MMORPG that's F2P like a Champions Online or LotrO.
I mean, if you really have such strong doubts about them liking it or don't think they'll enjoy it for more than a month or even dislike paying for it monthly if they do like it, then why not give them something else that are far better presents to give and that they do like? I mean, you've said it often yourselves that your kids were kind of meh about SWTOR, what kind of parent would give them something he/she already knows they're not enthusiastic about, something that the parent himself doesn't like as well and would dislike to pay a monthly sub for?
It's not as if there aren't enough alternatives to give as present, it just requires some looking around and be sensible as a parent.
Just saying.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Same old broken record ehh? 'Swtor is a single player game'. Whats new really? when beta keys are so easily avilable and anyone can play it and try for themselves, i don't know how anyone would even believe this nonsense. You hate the game fine but come on atleast stop with the lies. It was cute when there was NDA and people couldn't back up their claims with facts. Situtation had changed now.
This is not a single player game thats a lie that has to go u people need to realize its a lie. Im sorry u dont have to like tor but stop the lies like that one its old and wrong.
U can grop from the time u start this game till the time u max it out even through end game content. its not a single player game at all.
Its solo freindly like all themepark mmos now. U cont have to group but can There are reasons to group like heroic quests on starter worlds even that give u better gear then ud get from the normal quests and such.
There is world bosses, There is everything any themepark mmo has to group up for dungeons, raids.pvp, etc.
This is not a single player game u pay a monthly fee for so lets stop that lie haters.
That said i dont expect everyone to love tor but i did. Th story and choices were so immersive the kill x and y quests even felt like fun.
I judge a game on one thing. do i enjoy playign and the resounding answer when i played tor and tested out bh , inquisitor , smuggler, and jedi knight was hell yea.
The story and choices felt like that mattered. Do the choices influence the world around me no but they felt like the chocies mattered to my character.
Sure the mechanics and combat are familiar to wow. That said the world are big even for starter worlds kooriban being the smallerst. Combat was familiar but star wars spin on the classes plus the fact u fight 3 guys at least most of the time makes combat feel more heroic.
To me at least. Look its a theempark mmo with biowares story and choices adn companions added in. if u dont like themeparks or bioware games u wont like tor if u do like themepark style mmos and bioware games ull probably like tor.
I thinmk it retains players with its class stories and all the otehr stuff u can do while u levell other then quests like its unique c rafting and the fact u can run flashpoints that are story based with group conversations which are cool to see.