Er, yeah, have to agree, suspect a bit of "bias" on this interview. I'm sure as a sandbox style game SWTOR rates poorly, but then again, so does Madden football.
This. I don't know where SWTOR will be in a year's time, but I know where I'll be in 9 days
Lets make sure to get this placed in the "Reviews so far" stickie. That is unless it's only for positively biased reviews.
No it is also for negatively biased reviews like this one. DOn't worry;)
How many servers SWTOR will launch with on release?
ShredderSE - Umm how many do they need? Maybe 6. US, EU, Asian, France, German and Russian. Subs will be so low there is no need for more Snoocky-How many servers? The first 3 months a lot...after that 2 i guess, one for PVE and 1 for PVP...
Thorbrand - SWTOR doesn't have longevity at all. Might be one of the shortest lived MMOs.
They seem a bit biased against sandbox games but ultimately they ended up giving SWTOR another horrible review. Check it out here. http://sandboxer.org/?p=261
I know it's bad, but 2 out of 10 bad is REALLY friggen bad for an MMO.
Personally I was in 2 betas and played several characters and cannot wait for Christmas. This is one awesome game in my opinion. Not possible for a review to put me off now that I've tried it. Yep its got some faults (personally I want a better space section and worry that there are just too many abilities) but taken as a whole, for me, its a very entertaining gaming experience.
The clue is in the url though sanboxer org, you have to wonder at the logic of a sandbox orientated site even trying the game. It is no secret that SWTOR is as themepark as they come.
Totally agree. I am even going to cancel my hard copy as I don't want to leave it to chance turning up late and not arriving till after Xmas and will order the digital download instead just so I can play uninterupted at the end of the early access period.
lol gotta love sand box fan boys... They hate so hard on themepark mmo's, but they can not even point out 1 sandbox game that was released in the last 4 years that was any good. or anywere near good.
Well DF may not be considered "great" by the majority of the MMO playing crowd but I think some would call it great and quite a few would at least agree it is okay... And ofcourse there is EvE. Not my cup of tea but has a large and dedicated following and I challenge anyone to call it "not any good" or "near good".
Ofcourse my fellow sandbox brethren would say that is the point. Developers haven't had the **** to be creative and create a great sandbox game instead on following the same old formula...
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
They seem a bit biased against sandbox games but ultimately they ended up giving SWTOR another horrible review. Check it out here. http://sandboxer.org/?p=261
I know it's bad, but 2 out of 10 bad is REALLY friggen bad for an MMO.
Funny stuff. It reminds me of the themepark fan who reviewed Darkfall at release. "ZOMG I couldn't find my quest hub".
Honestly, if they'd have liked the game I'd have been more concerned.
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whats funny is that everyone still feels driven to add another review to the pile of thousands out there, from the swtor is the greatest mmo ever, to the boring bland and all of them are saying "if you just stop being brainwashed and see things my way" do we really need more reviews? i'm pretty sure everyone has made up there mind at this point.
there isn't going to be anything new, mmos require the holy trinity, the only differences possible are the ways you go about accomplishing those three things. If you don't have those three things and everyone is dps with heals the games would provide little in the way of group mechanics. If you don't provide some form of group dynamic you end up with an mmofps, if that's what you want they are out there and more are in development. I was in the past three beta weekends and enjoyed the game a good bit, I have pre-ordered and will deffinitely play early release. it wasn't ground breaking, but it was fun, and that's good enough for me. I am not a fanboi, hated the latest three movies, and am more of a fantasy honk than sci-fi, but the game was solid, the graphics aren't as cartoonish as a certain other popular mmo, and all in all i expect to play the game for at least a year. The TOR derangement syndrome in mmo circles is becoming tiresome.
The last sentence of the writer's Aesthetics paragraph proves how little the writer actually knows about the game: "For some reason bioware decided not to let players skip over cut scenes."
Anyone who has played SWTOR, and has pressed the [space bar] during a cutscene, can tell you that cutscenes can be skipped.
IMO a 2/10 review is as much of a joke review as a 9/10 review. Game is probably a 6.5 or 7 out of 10 with potential to improve. The foundation is more solid than games like Rift but not as solid as WoW was.
They seem a bit biased against sandbox games but ultimately they ended up giving SWTOR another horrible review. Check it out here. http://sandboxer.org/?p=261
I know it's bad, but 2 out of 10 bad is REALLY friggen bad for an MMO.
Funny stuff. It reminds me of the themepark fan who reviewed Darkfall at release. "ZOMG I couldn't find my quest hub".
Honestly, if they'd have liked the game I'd have been more concerned.
lol gotta love sand box fan boys... They hate so hard on themepark mmo's, but they can not even point out 1 sandbox game that was released in the last 4 years that was any good. or anywere near good.
Well DF may not be considered "great" by the majority of the MMO playing crowd but I think some would call it great and quite a few would at least agree it is okay... And ofcourse there is EvE. Not my cup of tea but has a large and dedicated following and I challenge anyone to call it "not any good" or "near good".
Ofcourse my fellow sandbox brethren would say that is the point. Developers haven't had the **** to be creative and create a great sandbox game instead on following the same old formula...
To me this is a logical fallacy, how would a sandbox be new or creative? That design is even older than Themepark design...
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(from sandboxer review) The cut scenes and voice actors are a nice touch but for the most part youll want to just skip over them even if you never scene them before.
Really? SCENE them? I've seen 10 year olds with better writing skills than this pretentious twit. He isn't qualified to review a Pong clone let alone a big budget MMO.
[quote=sandboxer.org] The cut scenes and voice actors are a nice touch but for the most part you’ll want to just skip over them even if you never scene them before. [/quote]
Really? SCENE them? I've seen 10 year olds with better writing skills than this pretentious twit. He isn't qualified to review a Pong clone let alone a big budget MMO.
Lets make sure to get this placed in the "Reviews so far" stickie. That is unless it's only for positively biased reviews.
That's what I would say if I wrote the article :P
Hehe...yep. In any event, TOR is just the flavor of the month for positive and negative hype. As with many others before it, the mass market beyond this little microcosm of a site will judge for themselves.
my only problem with the cut scenes was the fact that it slowed me down, while i enjoyed them I found myself space bar tapping past all but a few of them after I had played awhile. When I wasn't in a hurry I sat back and enjoyed some of them, the interaction and the light side, darkside options made it pleasently immersive.
i know my rankings, i use gamerankings.com everyday, 2/10 is despicable score, a 2/10 score would mean even if it was so under developed and still had so much long ways to go before it was to its full potential, it would still be abysmal and no better then the 2/10 ranking it started with, definitely not more then 3/10. Theres a certain point of no return for a games ranking, a 2/10 is like top 10 worst games ever types of rankings since the first atari systems.
so to rank it that, in case anyone is wondering, would be a misnomer.
lol gotta love sand box fan boys... They hate so hard on themepark mmo's, but they can not even point out 1 sandbox game that was released in the last 4 years that was any good. or anywere near good.
Well DF may not be considered "great" by the majority of the MMO playing crowd but I think some would call it great and quite a few would at least agree it is okay... And ofcourse there is EvE. Not my cup of tea but has a large and dedicated following and I challenge anyone to call it "not any good" or "near good".
Ofcourse my fellow sandbox brethren would say that is the point. Developers haven't had the **** to be creative and create a great sandbox game instead on following the same old formula...
To me this is a logical fallacy, how would a sandbox be new or creative? That design is even older than Themepark design...
I did not mean that sandbox in itself is creative but to take the genre in a different direction. Look, I think we can agree that the MMO genre is becoming somewhat stale. Most of what is being released or developed seems to use the same old formula that WoW made such a success. I mean, can't we have more choice? And I include the lack of inovation on the latest offerings from the sandbox indie crowd. Why is the sandbox genre stuck in sanbox has to = "FFA full loot combat fest" at the expense of all the other elements that make a great sandbox MMO: meaningful crafting, city building, employee controled economies, choice to play your character how you want (fighter, crafter, diplomat, explorer, etc)?
Arghhh, I am just bad at expressing myself, I wish I could be a bit more eloquent as other posters here...
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
whats funny is that everyone still feels driven to add another review to the pile of thousands out there, from the swtor is the greatest mmo ever, to the boring bland and all of them are saying "if you just stop being brainwashed and see things my way" do we really need more reviews? i'm pretty sure everyone has made up there mind at this point.
Pretty much.
Also considering that it are all just beta impressions, the majority from folks who have only played one or two weekends and still call their write-ups "reviews" and have the guts to flaunt their far-reaching conclusions and number-rate different aspects based on the little they saw of a few starter worlds and a glimpse of a capital.
This guy (or guys) opens up a sandbox fan site and wants to generate traffic...
He decides to A) review skyrim.. probably didn't get much traffic as people didn't need / care about a review; especially from a dinky little site.
He goes hmm... what would get traffic... let's see I'll review SWTOR and give it an absolutely horrible review... this will A) attract traffic and get sandbox fanboys to come to the site (like how conservatives listen to Rush Limbaugh).
He didn't care abut professionalism he just wanted attention and possibly ad money....
Sadly people who hate SWTOR desperately want to feel like they are right.... (and even more sadly there is no right or wrong.. but they haven't figured it out yet).
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Lets make sure to get this placed in the "Reviews so far" stickie. That is unless it's only for positively biased reviews.
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This. I don't know where SWTOR will be in a year's time, but I know where I'll be in 9 days
That's what I would say if I wrote the article :P
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No it is also for negatively biased reviews like this one. DOn't worry;)
How many servers SWTOR will launch with on release?
ShredderSE - Umm how many do they need? Maybe 6.
US, EU, Asian, France, German and Russian.
Subs will be so low there is no need for more
Snoocky-How many servers?
The first 3 months a lot...after that 2 i guess, one for PVE and 1 for PVP...
Thorbrand - SWTOR doesn't have longevity at all. Might be one of the shortest lived MMOs.
Totally agree. I am even going to cancel my hard copy as I don't want to leave it to chance turning up late and not arriving till after Xmas and will order the digital download instead just so I can play uninterupted at the end of the early access period.
Well DF may not be considered "great" by the majority of the MMO playing crowd but I think some would call it great and quite a few would at least agree it is okay... And ofcourse there is EvE. Not my cup of tea but has a large and dedicated following and I challenge anyone to call it "not any good" or "near good".
Ofcourse my fellow sandbox brethren would say that is the point. Developers haven't had the **** to be creative and create a great sandbox game instead on following the same old formula...
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
Funny stuff. It reminds me of the themepark fan who reviewed Darkfall at release. "ZOMG I couldn't find my quest hub".
Honestly, if they'd have liked the game I'd have been more concerned.
whats funny is that everyone still feels driven to add another review to the pile of thousands out there, from the swtor is the greatest mmo ever, to the boring bland and all of them are saying "if you just stop being brainwashed and see things my way" do we really need more reviews? i'm pretty sure everyone has made up there mind at this point.
there isn't going to be anything new, mmos require the holy trinity, the only differences possible are the ways you go about accomplishing those three things. If you don't have those three things and everyone is dps with heals the games would provide little in the way of group mechanics. If you don't provide some form of group dynamic you end up with an mmofps, if that's what you want they are out there and more are in development. I was in the past three beta weekends and enjoyed the game a good bit, I have pre-ordered and will deffinitely play early release. it wasn't ground breaking, but it was fun, and that's good enough for me. I am not a fanboi, hated the latest three movies, and am more of a fantasy honk than sci-fi, but the game was solid, the graphics aren't as cartoonish as a certain other popular mmo, and all in all i expect to play the game for at least a year. The TOR derangement syndrome in mmo circles is becoming tiresome.
The last sentence of the writer's Aesthetics paragraph proves how little the writer actually knows about the game: "For some reason bioware decided not to let players skip over cut scenes."
Anyone who has played SWTOR, and has pressed the [space bar] during a cutscene, can tell you that cutscenes can be skipped.
The writer failed miserably. What a d-bag.
IMO a 2/10 review is as much of a joke review as a 9/10 review. Game is probably a 6.5 or 7 out of 10 with potential to improve. The foundation is more solid than games like Rift but not as solid as WoW was.
lol^^
To me this is a logical fallacy, how would a sandbox be new or creative? That design is even older than Themepark design...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Really? SCENE them? I've seen 10 year olds with better writing skills than this pretentious twit. He isn't qualified to review a Pong clone let alone a big budget MMO.
lol upset much?
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
Hehe...yep. In any event, TOR is just the flavor of the month for positive and negative hype. As with many others before it, the mass market beyond this little microcosm of a site will judge for themselves.
my only problem with the cut scenes was the fact that it slowed me down, while i enjoyed them I found myself space bar tapping past all but a few of them after I had played awhile. When I wasn't in a hurry I sat back and enjoyed some of them, the interaction and the light side, darkside options made it pleasently immersive.
I think 2 points is pretty generous from a sandbox point of view.
i know my rankings, i use gamerankings.com everyday, 2/10 is despicable score, a 2/10 score would mean even if it was so under developed and still had so much long ways to go before it was to its full potential, it would still be abysmal and no better then the 2/10 ranking it started with, definitely not more then 3/10. Theres a certain point of no return for a games ranking, a 2/10 is like top 10 worst games ever types of rankings since the first atari systems.
so to rank it that, in case anyone is wondering, would be a misnomer.
I did not mean that sandbox in itself is creative but to take the genre in a different direction. Look, I think we can agree that the MMO genre is becoming somewhat stale. Most of what is being released or developed seems to use the same old formula that WoW made such a success. I mean, can't we have more choice? And I include the lack of inovation on the latest offerings from the sandbox indie crowd. Why is the sandbox genre stuck in sanbox has to = "FFA full loot combat fest" at the expense of all the other elements that make a great sandbox MMO: meaningful crafting, city building, employee controled economies, choice to play your character how you want (fighter, crafter, diplomat, explorer, etc)?
Arghhh, I am just bad at expressing myself, I wish I could be a bit more eloquent as other posters here...
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
Pretty much.
Also considering that it are all just beta impressions, the majority from folks who have only played one or two weekends and still call their write-ups "reviews" and have the guts to flaunt their far-reaching conclusions and number-rate different aspects based on the little they saw of a few starter worlds and a glimpse of a capital.
My brand new bloggity blog.
You guys do know what happened here right?
This guy (or guys) opens up a sandbox fan site and wants to generate traffic...
He decides to A) review skyrim.. probably didn't get much traffic as people didn't need / care about a review; especially from a dinky little site.
He goes hmm... what would get traffic... let's see I'll review SWTOR and give it an absolutely horrible review... this will A) attract traffic and
get sandbox fanboys to come to the site (like how conservatives listen to Rush Limbaugh).
He didn't care abut professionalism he just wanted attention and possibly ad money....
Sadly people who hate SWTOR desperately want to feel like they are right.... (and even more sadly there is no right or wrong.. but they haven't figured it out yet).