Originally posted by sanosukex Originally posted by popinjay
Switching on the fly? Pfft.. that really isn't all that important to me or most people.
you REALLY have no clue since its the big reason rift got as many subscribers as it did. The feature alone is why so many people including everyone of my firends played for such a long time No. That's not why people bought the game. They bought the game because of R I F T S.
If they bought it because they could "shift on the fly", why did they leave if they can still "shift on the fly", lol? That part of the game hasn't changed since beta.
But rifts have. They became less and less important and that's why people left. You seem to think people play games for some character gimmick or mechanic when I think people play games for fun.
Originally posted by sanosukex nope what? I was playing every single day up to a few months ago every single night I was grinding out rifts doing zone events to get all my epic lessers. Every single time the notice came across that zone event started in such in such zone if it was IPP, stillmoor, or shimmersand you could get a full raid together within minutes. Hell just my guild alone i could get 10-15 people every single time one popped up. You really have no clue what you are talking about.. Although I will agree it gets VERY repetative but people still play lineage 2 so some people actually like repetative.
Nope, you're wrong.
"My server is fine" withstanding, you're wrong.
You'd best look at other servers as a whole. Riftstatus.net.
It's your friend since there are unlimited server transfers.
I like how people aren't reliant on each other in today's MMOs. I don't want you to rely on me and I don't want to have to rely on you. To heck with that noise.
I'd much rather play a single player game in an MMO then hope and pray you'll do the smart thing in a given scenario (which 9 times out of 10 you wont....)
Member of Talon | www.lakexeno.com RIFT: Redcameo, Warrior, Faemist Server RIFT: Bluecameo, Mage, Faemist Server
No. That's not why people bought the game. They bought the game because of R I F T S.
If they bought it because they could "shift on the fly", why did they leave if they can still "shift on the fly", lol? That part of the game hasn't changed since beta.
But rifts have. They became less and less important and that's why people left. You seem to think people play games for some character gimmick or mechanic when I think people play games for fun.
how is it a gimmick? it essential allows you to play every combo in the game after leveling each class to 50 once.. get tired of tanking switch to dps. Cleric is tired of healing, switch to tank, switch to dps. Need a rez? switch to my bard spec and rez It was an amazing feature that added so much ot the game just the fact you found it a gimmick is crazy to me.
I was playing every single day up to a few months ago every single night I was grinding out rifts doing zone events to get all my epic lessers. Every single time the notice came across that zone event started in such in such zone if it was IPP, stillmoor, or shimmersand you could get a full raid together within minutes. Hell just my guild alone i could get 10-15 people every single time one popped up. You really have no clue what you are talking about..
Although I will agree it gets VERY repetative but people still play lineage 2 so some people actually like repetative.
Nope, you're wrong.
"My server is fine" withstanding, you're wrong.
You'd best look at other servers as a whole. Riftstatus.net.
It's your friend since there are unlimited server transfers.
so just cause a server has low population its impossible to get 25 people to do a zone event? we had over 50 people in our guild every single night. And we were not even the biggest guild on my server not even close. You must be trolling here cause there is no way you are serious.
Originally posted by sanosukex how is it a gimmick? it essential allows you to play every combo in the game after leveling each class to 50 once.. get tired of tanking switch to dps. Cleric is tired of healing, switch to tank, switch to dps. Need a rez? switch to my bard spec and rez It was an amazing feature that added so much ot the game just the fact you found it a gimmick is crazy to me.
It's a gimmick because it's L A Z Y.
Trion: "Okay, we gotta get this thing out the door. It's coming on five years. Any ideas?
Devs: "Well, we could make four classes and swap out "souls" like FFXI and Guild Wars does. Then the players can feel as though they have a lot of choice about what they can do, even though it would only really be two viable specs out of each job either way."
Dev 2: "Yeah, AND.. we wouldn't have to make more starting areas. We could just have all the races start in one zone, so only two starting zones."
Trion: "But won't people get bored of doing that?"
Dev 1: "That's the beauty of it. We let them "shift on the fly" so they never have to go back and they'll think not having more content to see is fun. Then we can just stick them in dungeons and then when we patch, we'll put on one "Expert" mode at a time for one dungeon a patch and call it new "content".
so just cause a server has low population its impossible to get 25 people to do a zone event? we had over 50 people in our guild every single night. And we were not even the biggest guild on my server not even close. You must be trolling here cause there is no way you are serious.
Again, "MY GUILD/SERVER/FRIENDS are fine in Rift" notwithstanding, you are flat wrong.
Go to Riftstatus.net and look at EVERYONE'S servers then think about where you keep missing the point.
One or two servers and one or two "good guilds" are not indicative of the whole game. Research gleaned from sites like riftstatus.net are. Over a sixty day period.
That's two months in case you're still not feeling this. The servers are in decline and have been for sometime now. Rift's not dead but there is a reason people are bolting left and right and it's not because someone else's mmo offered them "shift on the fly" or raiding every night.
If you say that line in red one more time, I'm going to start rebutting with Rift official forum posts of people saying "I had 200 people in my guild. They are all gone now."
Normally that would just cancel them both out, but since riftstatus.net actually backs up what THEY are saying, you'd be.. wrong.
how is it a gimmick? it essential allows you to play every combo in the game after leveling each class to 50 once.. get tired of tanking switch to dps. Cleric is tired of healing, switch to tank, switch to dps. Need a rez? switch to my bard spec and rez It was an amazing feature that added so much ot the game just the fact you found it a gimmick is crazy to me.
It's a gimmick because it's L A Z Y.
Trion: "Okay, we gotta get this thing out the door. It's coming on five years. Any ideas?
Devs: "Well, we could make four classes and swap out "souls" like FFXI and Guild Wars does. Then the players can feel as though they have a lot of choice about what they can do, even though it would only really be two viable specs out of each job either way."
Dev 2: "Yeah, AND.. we wouldn't have to make more starting areas. We could just have all the races start in one zone, so only two starting zones."
Trion: "But won't people get bored of doing that?"
Dev 1: "That's the beauty of it. We let them "shift on the fly" so they never have to go back and they'll think not having more content to see is fun. Then we can just stick them in dungeons and then when we patch, we'll put on one "Expert" mode at a time for one dungeon a patch and call it new "content".
so its better to go through the same exact stuff 20 times just to be able to play every class? thats just absurd so what game has enough unique content to allow a player to level to max level and not repeat areas with every single class in the game? sorry just doesn't happen. At least in rift I lcould level to 50 pretty easily by just doing PVP. I actually did 2 characters to 50 just on pvp and dungeons not a single quest done
so just cause a server has low population its impossible to get 25 people to do a zone event? we had over 50 people in our guild every single night. And we were not even the biggest guild on my server not even close. You must be trolling here cause there is no way you are serious.
Again, "MY GUILD/SERVER/FRIENDS are fine in Rift" notwithstanding, you are flat wrong.
Go to Riftstatus.net and look at EVERYONE'S servers then think about where you keep missing the point.
One or two servers and one or two "good guilds" are not indicative of the whole game. Research gleaned from sites like riftstatus.net are. Over a sixty day period.
That's two months in case you're still not feeling this. The servers are in decline and have been for sometime now. Rift's not dead but there is a reason people are bolting left and right and it's not because someone else's mmo offered them "shift on the fly" or raiding every night.
If you say that line in red one more time, I'm going to start rebutting with Rift official forum posts of people saying "I had 200 people in my guild. They are all gone now."
Normally that would just cancel them both out, but since riftstatus.net actually backs up what THEY are saying, you'd be.. wrong.
you are still wrong every night doing these invasions we not only had at least one full raid of 25 the other side had at least one full raid of 25. Plus several smaller groups helping in the mix. This had nothing to do with my guild at all. When I left couple months ago there were plenty of people playing in the level 50 areas to get full raids together for every single zone invasion.. I don't know why thats such a hard conept for you to grasp. Also my old server shatterbone still shows a mostly medium population which is a good amount of people.. you thnik these servers hold 100 people each or something?
Originally posted by sanosukex so its better to go through the same exact stuff 20 times just to be able to play every class?
No, no one wants to do that. You are making your own strawmen to knock down; that isn't being suggested or said. How about making a zone INTERESTING and fun that way it's not a chore to level through a zone a few times?
If you can't do that, then at least DOUBLE the starting zones to something acceptable like.. four. But two? In 2011? Lazy. Having just two starting zones is lazy as I said.
Plus the other problem I found with all the people who wanted this "powerleveling service" (yep, that's what it was to me) was that they had no idea what they were doing half the time and might as well had just bought the toon off of Ebay.
They level a Cleric from 1-50 playing some kind of dps soul combo. This person doesn't WANT to heal, they wants to dps because he thinks he/she is good in it, but most importantly they LIKE it.
So they hit 50 and start dungeoning. They end up getting in a group and then the person is asked can they heal because the other person has to go and they can get another dps. They don't want to heal so they say no, and get kicked.
Or they say "I don't have any healing souls, I only bought dps souls" and they get kicked.
Or they say "Okay, but I don't have much healing gear" and they get kicked.
Or they say "Okay, but I haven't healed any groups leveling so I'm probably not too good" and they get kicked.
THAT is Rift. That class stuff is a gimmick, that's all.
so its better to go through the same exact stuff 20 times just to be able to play every class?
No, no one wants to do that. You are making your own strawmen to knock down; that isn't being suggested or said. How about making a zone INTERESTING and fun that way it's not a chore to level through a zone a few times?
If you can't do that, then at least DOUBLE the starting zones to something acceptable like.. four. But two? In 2011? Lazy. Having just two starting zones is lazy as I said.
Plus the other problem I found with all the people who wanted this "powerleveling service" (yep, that's what it was to me) was that they had no idea what they were doing half the time and might as well had just bought the toon off of Ebay.
They level a Cleric from 1-50 playing some kind of dps soul combo. This person doesn't WANT to heal, they wants to dps because he thinks he/she is good in it, but most importantly they LIKE it.
So they hit 50 and start dungeoning. They end up getting in a group and then the person is asked can they heal because the other person has to go and they can get another dps. They don't want to heal so they say no, and get kicked.
Or they say "I don't have any healing souls, I only bought dps souls" and they get kicked.
Or they say "Okay, but I don't have much healing gear" and they get kicked.
Or they say "Okay, but I haven't healed any groups leveling so I'm probably not too good" and they get kicked.
THAT is Rift. That class stuff is a gimmick, that's all.
honestly one of the most close minded things I've read here and that says a lot.. off to bed honestly I cannot read another one of these posts without wanting to bash my head into a wall
Originally posted by sanosukex you are still wrong every night doing these invasions we not only had at least one full raid of 25 the other side had at least one full raid of 25. I don't know why thats such a hard conept for you to grasp. Also my old server shatterbone still shows a mostly medium population which is a good amount of people.. you thnik these servers hold 100 people each or something?
Shatterbone, NA. I'd say that's barely medium with 40% or so in the Low. But not just counting that, look at all these others:
NA:
Atrophinius - population trends - last 60 days
Belmont - population trends - last 60 days
Byriel - population trends - last 60 days
Crucia - population trends - last 60 days
Estrael - population trends - last 60 days
Faemist - population trends - last 60 days
Greenscale - population trends - last 60 days
Millrush - population trends - last 60 days
Shadefallen - population trends - last 60 days
Shatterbone - population trends - last 60 days
Sunrest - population trends - last 60 days
Threesprings - population trends - last 60 days
EU:
Argent - population trends - last 60 days
Blightweald - population trends - last 60 days
Riptalon - population trends - last 60 days
Sagespire - population trends - last 60 days
Steampike - population trends - last 60 days
Whitefall - population trends - last 60 days
You ask me what so hard to grasp. The funny thing is I've seen people like you argue this same stuff for Warhammer when I used to tell them this. That was because I actually had a sub there, could see what was going on with my own eyes and stats from Winkl's confirmed it. It wasn't guesswork, lol. It was just opening your eyes.
I already know how this will end up. You'll be wondering in about a year or so, just how people could be playing TOR when Rift clearly has/had so much more going for it. That's what usually happens when people ignore facts and stats.
It's just something they 'fail to grasp' until later.
Originally posted by sanosukex honestly one of the most close minded things I've read here and that says a lot.. off to bed honestly I cannot read another one of these posts without wanting to bash my head into a wall
I figured you were tired. The quality of your argument showed you probably weren't at your best here.
Hopefully, we can discuss facts tomorrow instead of opinion? Take care Sanos..
I went up to a quest NPC and they just stood there with their mouth and face unmoving, they said a generic greeting and that was it.
I never expected the talking quest NPC thing to affect my experience that much but after playing SWTOR and Skyrim you really see how much weight the voiceover interaction gives the proceedings.
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They've set a new mark for presentation and I don't think there's any going back.
I agree. It is likely that future RPGs will have higher VO content.
However, much like EQ2, I am finding that in Skyrim, that some NPCs talk far too much and are basically Chatty Cathys. Imo - there is a happy medium to be found.
you are still wrong every night doing these invasions we not only had at least one full raid of 25 the other side had at least one full raid of 25.
I don't know why thats such a hard conept for you to grasp. Also my old server shatterbone still shows a mostly medium population which is a good amount of people.. you thnik these servers hold 100 people each or something?
Shatterbone, NA. I'd say that's barely medium with 40% or so in the Low. But not just counting that, look at all these others:
NA:
Atrophinius - population trends - last 60 days
Belmont - population trends - last 60 days
Byriel - population trends - last 60 days
Crucia - population trends - last 60 days
Estrael - population trends - last 60 days
Faemist - population trends - last 60 days
Greenscale - population trends - last 60 days
Millrush - population trends - last 60 days
Shadefallen - population trends - last 60 days
Shatterbone - population trends - last 60 days
Sunrest - population trends - last 60 days
Threesprings - population trends - last 60 days
EU:
Argent - population trends - last 60 days
Blightweald - population trends - last 60 days
Riptalon - population trends - last 60 days
Sagespire - population trends - last 60 days
Steampike - population trends - last 60 days
Whitefall - population trends - last 60 days
You ask me what so hard to grasp. The funny thing is I've seen people like you argue this same stuff for Warhammer when I used to tell them this. That was because I actually had a sub there, could see what was going on with my own eyes and stats from Winkl's confirmed it. It wasn't guesswork, lol. It was just opening your eyes.
I already know how this will end up. You'll be wondering in about a year or so, just how people could be playing TOR when Rift clearly has/had so much more going for it. That's what usually happens when people ignore facts and stats.
It's just something they 'fail to grasp' until later.
I can't believe I'm going to jump into this but here goes...
The data you're quoting does nothing to back up your claims. If anything it proves his point unless you have numbers for Trions arbitrary terms of low, medium, high. If you don't, which you obviously do not, then you're guessing just as much as the person you're debating.
The only facts that can be gleaned from the site you quote is that Rift had, and continues to have a steady playerbase logging in across all their servers. That's all an MMO needs to stay afloat and Rift seems to be doing fine if you look at it objectively.
I have checked your post history and you seem to have an irrational hatred towards Rift to the point of making multiple inaccurate claims about the game. We get it, you don't like the game. Just quit making stuff up about the game to bolster your point. Case in point, Rifts don't close in a hour. It's an hour and a half. Your Rift hate posts are littered with inaccuracies like that.
OT:
I like both games and I'll be playing both games(wierd right? I know that's blashpemy here at MMORPG.com where you're supposed to love one game blindly and hate all other games because they are WoW clonez!!!) because they both bring something different to the table for my personal enjoyment.
Einherjar_LC says: WTB the true successor to UO or Asheron's Call pst!
My personal opinion after playing Rift for several months and TOR for two beta weekends, is that I got more enjoyment, felt more immersed, and cared more about the world in TOR than I ever felt in all the time I played Rift. Mileage may very, and your opinion is obviously different, but I think the subscription numbers will prove this in the next year or so. Rift is in for some hard times, and Trion only has itself to blame for streamlining the game into such a mindless, boring grind that people are beginning to jump ship in droves.
although in many ways TOR is falling into the same trap RIFT did upon its release. Created a MMO with a couple new ideas but most of it is same old same old.. Now star wars obviously has the bigger fanbase for initial launch but ultimatly unless they roll out some big updates fast it falls into the same new MMO trying to do a couple things new to the genre but as a whole its more of the same.
Well, I definitely don't agree with that, and I believe Bioware is going to roll out content updates in quick measure, but I guess we'll see soon enough.
You have a lot of faith in a developer that never created a mmorpg before.
I personally just don't see a story centric driven mmorpg remaining interesting to a playerbase that devours content at such an insane pace.
I remember having a similar discussion on the Lotro forums during that games release. How its personal epic story arc would offer limitless content to its players. Three months later people were crying for content and every left.
Ehh so you can have faith in ANET the company which never made a MMO before (yeah GW wasn't one) but somehow it is wrong to have faith in Bioware?
Dynamic events is nothing but a gimmick. It is not a norm or a standard feature so it is hard to debate on it. It is a feature like many others and like or dislike of it is going to differ from person to person. it is silly to trash an entire game only because it didn't include dynamic content. Not everyone enjoyed Rift's so called dynamic rifts by the way.
As far as GW2 is concerned gotto try it first. I don't believe in hype generated by the GW2 fans. I ignored SWTOR fans till i joined beta and now i am in position to form my own opinion.
How many servers SWTOR will launch with on release?
ShredderSE - Umm how many do they need? Maybe 6. US, EU, Asian, France, German and Russian. Subs will be so low there is no need for more Snoocky-How many servers? The first 3 months a lot...after that 2 i guess, one for PVE and 1 for PVP...
Thorbrand - SWTOR doesn't have longevity at all. Might be one of the shortest lived MMOs.
This is why I love bioware games in general, I have played through jade empire and every bioware game since then, and even though I have probably spent close to 300 hours in mass effect run throughs I still listen to every convosation, yes I know I can click past but I never do.
In the beta I felt that same feeling with swtor, I am in no rush to level, to reach the "end game" so many people are rabid about, to me it is a game to enjoy every single story, every line, the journey is far more important to me and the voice overs help alot.
swtor fail or success will depend on how well they wrote the stories. those who played beta already will know all 8 classes will have their own stories. this is why this game attracts a lot of players.
most people already tired of the same old model. they want more than killing,pvping, raiding..they want "substance". well, maybe not everyone but me.
if you dont care about story line, then TOR might not be for you.
for example I played Fallout:new vegas for more than 200 hours on PS3. why? coz the story line, each companions have their own stories, which made me want to play again.
I also fired up Rift last night. It's getting so damn clod here in Denmark, the sunday newspaper had more fun in it than rift, so i used Rift to fire up the oven!
I can't believe I'm going to jump into this but here goes...
The data you're quoting does nothing to back up your claims. If anything it proves his point unless you have numbers for Trions arbitrary terms of low, medium, high. If you don't, which you obviously do not, then you're guessing just as much as the person you're debating.
The only facts that can be gleaned from the site you quote is that Rift had, and continues to have a steady playerbase logging in across all their servers. That's all an MMO needs to stay afloat and Rift seems to be doing fine if you look at it objectively.
I have checked your post history and you seem to have an irrational hatred towards Rift to the point of making multiple inaccurate claims about the game. We get it, you don't like the game. Just quit making stuff up about the game to bolster your point. Case in point, Rifts don't close in a hour. It's an hour and a half. Your Rift hate posts are littered with inaccuracies like that.
OT:
I like both games and I'll be playing both games(wierd right? I know that's blashpemy here at MMORPG.com where you're supposed to love one game blindly and hate all other games because they are WoW clonez!!!) because they both bring something different to the table for my personal enjoyment.
thank you I honestly felt like will ferrell in zoolander for a moment
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No. That's not why people bought the game. They bought the game because of R I F T S.
If they bought it because they could "shift on the fly", why did they leave if they can still "shift on the fly", lol? That part of the game hasn't changed since beta.
But rifts have. They became less and less important and that's why people left. You seem to think people play games for some character gimmick or mechanic when I think people play games for fun.
"TO MICHAEL!"
"My server is fine" withstanding, you're wrong.
You'd best look at other servers as a whole. Riftstatus.net.
It's your friend since there are unlimited server transfers.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I like how people aren't reliant on each other in today's MMOs. I don't want you to rely on me and I don't want to have to rely on you. To heck with that noise.
I'd much rather play a single player game in an MMO then hope and pray you'll do the smart thing in a given scenario (which 9 times out of 10 you wont....)
Member of Talon | www.lakexeno.com
RIFT: Redcameo, Warrior, Faemist Server
RIFT: Bluecameo, Mage, Faemist Server
how is it a gimmick? it essential allows you to play every combo in the game after leveling each class to 50 once.. get tired of tanking switch to dps. Cleric is tired of healing, switch to tank, switch to dps. Need a rez? switch to my bard spec and rez It was an amazing feature that added so much ot the game just the fact you found it a gimmick is crazy to me.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
so just cause a server has low population its impossible to get 25 people to do a zone event? we had over 50 people in our guild every single night. And we were not even the biggest guild on my server not even close. You must be trolling here cause there is no way you are serious.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Trion: "Okay, we gotta get this thing out the door. It's coming on five years. Any ideas?
Devs: "Well, we could make four classes and swap out "souls" like FFXI and Guild Wars does. Then the players can feel as though they have a lot of choice about what they can do, even though it would only really be two viable specs out of each job either way."
Dev 2: "Yeah, AND.. we wouldn't have to make more starting areas. We could just have all the races start in one zone, so only two starting zones."
Trion: "But won't people get bored of doing that?"
Dev 1: "That's the beauty of it. We let them "shift on the fly" so they never have to go back and they'll think not having more content to see is fun. Then we can just stick them in dungeons and then when we patch, we'll put on one "Expert" mode at a time for one dungeon a patch and call it new "content".
"TO MICHAEL!"
Again, "MY GUILD/SERVER/FRIENDS are fine in Rift" notwithstanding, you are flat wrong.
Go to Riftstatus.net and look at EVERYONE'S servers then think about where you keep missing the point.
One or two servers and one or two "good guilds" are not indicative of the whole game. Research gleaned from sites like riftstatus.net are. Over a sixty day period.
That's two months in case you're still not feeling this. The servers are in decline and have been for sometime now. Rift's not dead but there is a reason people are bolting left and right and it's not because someone else's mmo offered them "shift on the fly" or raiding every night.
If you say that line in red one more time, I'm going to start rebutting with Rift official forum posts of people saying "I had 200 people in my guild. They are all gone now."
Normally that would just cancel them both out, but since riftstatus.net actually backs up what THEY are saying, you'd be.. wrong.
"TO MICHAEL!"
so its better to go through the same exact stuff 20 times just to be able to play every class? thats just absurd so what game has enough unique content to allow a player to level to max level and not repeat areas with every single class in the game? sorry just doesn't happen. At least in rift I lcould level to 50 pretty easily by just doing PVP. I actually did 2 characters to 50 just on pvp and dungeons not a single quest done
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
you are still wrong every night doing these invasions we not only had at least one full raid of 25 the other side had at least one full raid of 25. Plus several smaller groups helping in the mix. This had nothing to do with my guild at all. When I left couple months ago there were plenty of people playing in the level 50 areas to get full raids together for every single zone invasion.. I don't know why thats such a hard conept for you to grasp. Also my old server shatterbone still shows a mostly medium population which is a good amount of people.. you thnik these servers hold 100 people each or something?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
If you can't do that, then at least DOUBLE the starting zones to something acceptable like.. four. But two? In 2011? Lazy. Having just two starting zones is lazy as I said.
Plus the other problem I found with all the people who wanted this "powerleveling service" (yep, that's what it was to me) was that they had no idea what they were doing half the time and might as well had just bought the toon off of Ebay.
They level a Cleric from 1-50 playing some kind of dps soul combo. This person doesn't WANT to heal, they wants to dps because he thinks he/she is good in it, but most importantly they LIKE it.
So they hit 50 and start dungeoning. They end up getting in a group and then the person is asked can they heal because the other person has to go and they can get another dps. They don't want to heal so they say no, and get kicked.
Or they say "I don't have any healing souls, I only bought dps souls" and they get kicked.
Or they say "Okay, but I don't have much healing gear" and they get kicked.
Or they say "Okay, but I haven't healed any groups leveling so I'm probably not too good" and they get kicked.
THAT is Rift. That class stuff is a gimmick, that's all.
"TO MICHAEL!"
honestly one of the most close minded things I've read here and that says a lot.. off to bed honestly I cannot read another one of these posts without wanting to bash my head into a wall
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
i figured as much
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Shatterbone, NA. I'd say that's barely medium with 40% or so in the Low. But not just counting that, look at all these others:
NA:
Atrophinius - population trends - last 60 days
Belmont - population trends - last 60 days
Byriel - population trends - last 60 days
Crucia - population trends - last 60 days
Estrael - population trends - last 60 days
Faemist - population trends - last 60 days
Greenscale - population trends - last 60 days
Millrush - population trends - last 60 days
Shadefallen - population trends - last 60 days
Shatterbone - population trends - last 60 days
Sunrest - population trends - last 60 days
Threesprings - population trends - last 60 days
EU:
Argent - population trends - last 60 days
Blightweald - population trends - last 60 days
Riptalon - population trends - last 60 days
Sagespire - population trends - last 60 days
Steampike - population trends - last 60 days
Whitefall - population trends - last 60 days
You ask me what so hard to grasp. The funny thing is I've seen people like you argue this same stuff for Warhammer when I used to tell them this. That was because I actually had a sub there, could see what was going on with my own eyes and stats from Winkl's confirmed it. It wasn't guesswork, lol. It was just opening your eyes.
I already know how this will end up. You'll be wondering in about a year or so, just how people could be playing TOR when Rift clearly has/had so much more going for it. That's what usually happens when people ignore facts and stats.
It's just something they 'fail to grasp' until later.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Hopefully, we can discuss facts tomorrow instead of opinion? Take care Sanos..
"TO MICHAEL!"
I agree. It is likely that future RPGs will have higher VO content.
However, much like EQ2, I am finding that in Skyrim, that some NPCs talk far too much and are basically Chatty Cathys. Imo - there is a happy medium to be found.
I can't believe I'm going to jump into this but here goes...
The data you're quoting does nothing to back up your claims. If anything it proves his point unless you have numbers for Trions arbitrary terms of low, medium, high. If you don't, which you obviously do not, then you're guessing just as much as the person you're debating.
The only facts that can be gleaned from the site you quote is that Rift had, and continues to have a steady playerbase logging in across all their servers. That's all an MMO needs to stay afloat and Rift seems to be doing fine if you look at it objectively.
I have checked your post history and you seem to have an irrational hatred towards Rift to the point of making multiple inaccurate claims about the game. We get it, you don't like the game. Just quit making stuff up about the game to bolster your point. Case in point, Rifts don't close in a hour. It's an hour and a half. Your Rift hate posts are littered with inaccuracies like that.
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I like both games and I'll be playing both games(wierd right? I know that's blashpemy here at MMORPG.com where you're supposed to love one game blindly and hate all other games because they are WoW clonez!!!) because they both bring something different to the table for my personal enjoyment.
Einherjar_LC says: WTB the true successor to UO or Asheron's Call pst!
Ehh so you can have faith in ANET the company which never made a MMO before (yeah GW wasn't one) but somehow it is wrong to have faith in Bioware?
Dynamic events is nothing but a gimmick. It is not a norm or a standard feature so it is hard to debate on it. It is a feature like many others and like or dislike of it is going to differ from person to person. it is silly to trash an entire game only because it didn't include dynamic content. Not everyone enjoyed Rift's so called dynamic rifts by the way.
As far as GW2 is concerned gotto try it first. I don't believe in hype generated by the GW2 fans. I ignored SWTOR fans till i joined beta and now i am in position to form my own opinion.
How many servers SWTOR will launch with on release?
ShredderSE - Umm how many do they need? Maybe 6.
US, EU, Asian, France, German and Russian.
Subs will be so low there is no need for more
Snoocky-How many servers?
The first 3 months a lot...after that 2 i guess, one for PVE and 1 for PVP...
Thorbrand - SWTOR doesn't have longevity at all. Might be one of the shortest lived MMOs.
This is why I love bioware games in general, I have played through jade empire and every bioware game since then, and even though I have probably spent close to 300 hours in mass effect run throughs I still listen to every convosation, yes I know I can click past but I never do.
In the beta I felt that same feeling with swtor, I am in no rush to level, to reach the "end game" so many people are rabid about, to me it is a game to enjoy every single story, every line, the journey is far more important to me and the voice overs help alot.
swtor fail or success will depend on how well they wrote the stories. those who played beta already will know all 8 classes will have their own stories. this is why this game attracts a lot of players.
most people already tired of the same old model. they want more than killing,pvping, raiding..they want "substance". well, maybe not everyone but me.
if you dont care about story line, then TOR might not be for you.
for example I played Fallout:new vegas for more than 200 hours on PS3. why? coz the story line, each companions have their own stories, which made me want to play again.
Which FF Character Are You?
Hell Yea!!!
Voice Over is the bomb.
Its the main reason for me trying SWTOR, next is chewbacca.
God Bless.
My main reason is to shoot Gungans, lots of Gungans - I can wait.....
I also fired up Rift last night. It's getting so damn clod here in Denmark, the sunday newspaper had more fun in it than rift, so i used Rift to fire up the oven!
thank you I honestly felt like will ferrell in zoolander for a moment
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html