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BioWare Sabotaging Jedi/Sith Classes to Force People to Roll Non-Force Users?
SuperXero89
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Thoughts?
I find this crazy, but after playing my Jedi Sentinel to level 32, I have to wonder if that's the case. Leveling was fine from 1-25 or so, and then I started noticing I'd wipe about once or twice on every elite boss mob in my story quests. As I progressed, instead of getting stronger, I got weaker. Several boss mobs on Tatooine killed me upwards of 5 times before I finally got lucky and finished them off. On Alderaan, I kept getting solo quests that required me to kill numerous elites, and I absolutely could not take on almost all of the same-level elites. Now that I hit 32, I embarked on my class mission, and it took me about 5 tries to kill one of the elites, 7 to kill the other, and on the final boss of Act 1, I have been working on the boss for an hour and a half and 25k in repair bills, medpacks, and stims later, I find the final boss of Act 1 to be unkillable. I guess I'm going to have to quit and redo the entire instance at a later date because I'm now out of money for repairs and all my gear is broken.
I played a Hunter in WoW to level 85 and topped the DPS parse in several endgame raids, but apparently I lack the skill to get past the last boss of act 1 of the Jedi Knight story and I lack the skill to effectively play the Jedi Sentinel. I have to blow every cooldown, perform my rotation to perfection, and use every stim and medpack possible to stand a chance against these elites, and one missed interrupt can cost me up to a third of my lifebar, and in the case of the final boss of act one, even doing all that still isn't enough to beat them. I don't mind a challenge, but this is absolutely rediculous. At this point, I'm pretty certain I should stop now because the Sentinel is only going to get worse, and God only knows what's going to be expected of me in Act II. I should have went with my intuition and rolled a BH like I did in beta, but after reading the Darth Revan novel I felt compelled to roll a jedi. Silly me because I just wasted 5 days leveling a character to 33, and to be honest, I'm so jaded and spurned at the moment, I don't even know if I want to pick up my pre-order tomorrow.
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For the love of god it's an MMO. Learn how to socialize and get someone to help. It's this kind of mentality that caused Blizzard to give in to the soloers and cater WoW to those people who refused to socialize with thier fellow man. Elites in a true MMO are NOT meant to solo!
lol that's the thing though.
elites are peppered all over solo quests and story quests almost always end in an elite mob encounter.
I too find my guardian is struggling, however it could simply be that the whole game is a notch harder, and we have been spoiled by WoW, lets see how lvling non-force users compare. (as I havnt lvled any yet)
Playing a Bounty Hunter, I find its a toss. Some elites I can take with all my CD's up. Others will destroy me even after I unload. Although Mako (healing companion) makes it easier and BH are naturally tanky it makes it easier for me to solo elites. Elites with help though, and I am a dead BH.
I think it's more an issue with the Jedi Knight/Sith Warrior than with the caster Jedi/Sith, but SW:TOR is harder than WoW just like Rift, LotRO, and WAR are all harder than WoW. Blizzard is the only MMO company that seems to understand that casual appeal equels revenue, yet even they are starting to stray from that model under Ghost Crawler's direction (no surprise they've lost subs since Cata). What I like about WoW was that there's something or everyone. Certain aspects of the game are suited for casuals like solo questing and others are suited for players with a bit more experience like high end running heroics. Other aspects, like raiding and arena PvP, cater to a hardcore niche of players.
I should not be forced to blow every cooldown, perfect my rotation, and use medpacks and stims just to have a fighting chance at completing a solo quest. I just want to casually experience the story and feel like a powerful jedi everyone is making me out to be. I'll leave the meta-gaming for when/if I decide to partake in endgame raiding. Right now I feel like an extra in the battle of geonosis, and it's not fun at all.
And so the cries of nefs and buffs start. Have fun with this one rofl.
Join a guild or just find some friends or people with the same problem BW have added even more incentives to group up with social points, do you need any more convincing?
I just say LFG: X mission and within a few minutes I'm set and rolling with a group of bad ass mofo's ripping those elites a new anus! I've found it to be the most fun in the game so far!
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I'll likely end up waiting for my buddy to catch up with me as we're pretty close in level. He just hit Alderaan today and should catch up to me tomorrow if I let him.
Will I agree this would solve my problem, this seems to be a patch on the issue rather than a fix.
Its supposed to be hard. I wouldnt play if there wasnt a real challenge. Final boss on my Jedi councler quests on Coroscant was real though for me. I had to go back and level up and get new and better gear for me and my companion 2-3 times.
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So you are complaining that the game actually pushses you to learn to play your class properly and has such a difficulty level that it might take a few goes to take down a mob? and you think it just because Bioware are gimpimg force users so people play other classes? Seriously I've heard it all now and people wonder why MMO's can seem too easy, well you have you answer right here folks players want the game to be easy they don't want to learn to play. I really thought I'd never use that 1337 term but it fits here perfectly. I suggest a few goes a Rift if you sneeze in the direction of the mob they die that'll be most suited I'm sure.
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WoW pushes you to learn your class as well, only it does it in the right places. You shouldn't have to exort that kind of effort to finish a solo quest.
Funny how game is just finaly releaseing today and alot of players are almost capped there levels, to me the leveling system is way to fast when in swg it took months.
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But But But But playing with other players in an MMO are crazy dude really U Uad Bro.
I spent half of Korriban in Duo and it was great fun with some challenge but thats why I play MMO's to play with others a really funny concept it seems. I must wipe the 5 people I have in my friends list it seems I'm doing it wrong.
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You. Are. Dancing. Around. The. Issue.
These. Are. Solo. Quests. That. Are. Designed. To. Be. Completed. With. Only. One. Person. Unless. You. Just. Fancy. Playing. In. A. Group.
Where in the MMO rule book does it say that? I must of missed that bit. I used to use 5 buttons playing my Affliction Warlock and thats all I needed it one of the reasons I left WoW it got very samey.
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It isn't a patch on the issue it is the whole point of playing an MMORPG, to group up with people and share the game wether assisting them or against them. You want to play a single player with a side order of multiplayer content when/if it takes your fancy. That's fine it's your $15 a month but BW wants this game to be a bit more social than the single player MMO's that have been pouring out since WoW.
If I wanted to play this game by myself without the need for assistance or grouping I'd play one of the KOTOR games and save myself alot of cash and heartache. I certainly wouldn't want BW to "fix" the game by making all elites and champions soloable as that would destroy the social aspect which is what most of us play MMORPG's for.
EDIT: I see no where that bioware state X quest is strictly a solo quest though I do see where it suggests some are group quest when it says Heroic. I've failed on the quests you've mentioned with my BH but grouped or came back later, fixed.
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CS Lewis
You have a choice OK
1: Enjoy the difficulty level and do the quest until you complete it .....OR
2: Get some friends in a blast through it.
Nowhere in these games is it wriiten taht you HAVE to do it solo or they'd never let you team up with others it would be blocked, you have become complacent with play WoW's easy mode for years.
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There's a reason why WoW reached millions of subs...
Wow only got where it is due to it being the lowest common denominator even my mum a technophobe can play wow lol
Enough of the it is not easy enough to solo stuff please.
Played a few MMOs where the devs have been pushed into making the game easy/easier for those wanting little or no challenge; I really don't want that to happen here.
Why don't you go play Hello Kitty Online - I hear the bosses are soloable in that game
Lmao, if you are complaining about Coruscant you are screwed, the Boss in the Consular story their was a cakewalk, nor was it supposed to be hard. I say this not to brag but give some perspective, I cleared it first time through with no stims, once you get to Tatooine things start to get a little harder, where you may pick up 2 or three silvers at a time. However, by the time you hit Alderan you are doing quests where you have to kill Sith elites(gold mobs) who hit like a truck and you WILL pick up adds too.
As to the poster above, suggesting to grab some friends for these quests, do that and they become overly easy they are balanced for solo play, unless a quest is listed as +2 or +4, they are intended as solo quests and balanced as such.
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yep know what you mean, strangely my dps commando struggles to dps down what my healer sage laughs past i rarely have to heal my companion, healers are doing awesome damage still it is only lev 19 atm.
you think that was hard? my Act 1 boss was insane, had to defeat him 3 times, each time i was 1 hit away from death and he kept getting stronger and stronger.. i think i wiped like.. 20 times on it..
That's all I'm saying. There's a fine line between challenging and a story like this.
Keep the "LOL EZ MODE GB2WOW" rhetoric out of here people. You (general sense) hate WoW so much, but despite yourself you cannot deny the success of that game which has proven those of you screaming at the top of your lungs to be an extremely vocal minority.