Anyone who gives swtor, Skyrim or 99% of the other games on the market a 0/10 is an idget. Pure and simple
Same can be said for anyone that gives Skyrim a 10 or SW:TOR a 10.
Depends on the context.
I think TOR is about a 9 (8.8 going by MMORPG.coms rating thing) as much as I find Skyrim (and nothing more then a Morrowind rip off to get your money) to be over rated its at least an 8.
Fact is there is only one released game that deserves a 0 and thats big rigs over the road racing.
You're grasping at straws if you think that a lack of resizable UI deserves a 1/10 or anything.
As far as the LFG tool it has one but I am sure your talking about a dungeon finder that the commuinity was largly against.
I'm sure everyone is loving that general chat LFG spam instead of a fully functional dungeon finder...
All that is required of you in TORs LFG system is for you to type /who and click the LFG toggle button.
This is coming from someone who wanted/still wants a Dungeon finder.
The only game to have a dungeon finder was WoW (Up until recently) and everyone on this site hated it, but now all of a sudden its needed?
rift has one and it works great
Took Rift months before they added it try again please.
What you're forgetting, or ignoring, is that a lot of people do NOT want this feature as they feel it takes away from the game. It's not a matter of them leaving out necessary functions, it's a matter of them not being sure this is a function they want in their game.
What you're forgetting, or ignoring, is that a lot of people do NOT want this feature as they feel it takes away from the game. It's not a matter of them leaving out necessary functions, it's a matter of them not being sure this is a function they want in their game.
yes but honestly who feels spamming LFG is the better way.. bet you could do a poll now of everyone playing and the majority would want a dungeon finder over the LFG spam
Holy crap. All of your posts are either bashing GW2 or praising SWTOR for the past year. Damn, man.
Don't worry Archage is looking pretty good to me right about now, GW2 still looks over-rated though.
Eh, we're entirely different. I enjoy more realistic graphics, whereas you enjoy something more cartoonish. I enjoy sandbox/innovation, whereas you prefer something more traditional. Nothing wrong with either view, but I still haven't found what I'm looking for. I will look at GW2, but I don't have the highest of expectations.
Anyone who gives swtor, Skyrim or 99% of the other games on the market a 0/10 is an idget. Pure and simple
Same can be said for anyone that gives Skyrim a 10 or SW:TOR a 10.
Actually, 10s are closer to reality than zeros.
Making an effort and trying to objectively judge games, integrate them into their genre-competition and conclude a fair score minus personal taste...
...by no means are games like SWTOR or Skyrim bad.
If I had to judge SWTOR, the lowest end of the scale would be "Dark and Light", which rightfully tanked 12 months after release. That's a true 1/10 (broken skills, crafting, housing, PvP, PvE). And the top of the scale, not sure, maybe something like EvE Online or Rift; Games that, regardless of personal preference, are good at what they try to be, are entertaining and fun.
So yea, someone who - in his right mind - states that SWTOR is a 0 out of 10 points has either no clue/experience with gaming in general, is a dumbass hater-Troll hybrid or just unwilling to see beyond a single frustrating point in their experience with the game.
Anyone who gives swtor, Skyrim or 99% of the other games on the market a 0/10 is an idget. Pure and simple
Same can be said for anyone that gives Skyrim a 10 or SW:TOR a 10.
Teala to be fair even if you hate SWTOR its at like a 5 or a 6.
I agree...and in the end if the fans of the game and the detractors continue to score the way they are scoring - it iwll get a fair score of about 5 or 6. In my book that is average and the game deserves consideration to be looked at as a potentially good game for what it is.
Holy crap. All of your posts are either bashing GW2 or praising SWTOR for the past year. Damn, man.
Don't worry Archage is looking pretty good to me right about now, GW2 still looks over-rated though.
Eh, we're entirely different. I enjoy more realistic graphics, whereas you enjoy something more cartoonish. I enjoy sandbox/innovation, whereas you prefer something more traditional. Nothing wrong with either view, but I still haven't found what I'm looking for. I will look at GW2, but I don't have the highest of expectations.
You didn't read what I just typed did you?
Also since when did sandbox=innovation? When did innovation mean fun?
I don't see many objective view points on metacritic yet. As to be expected, their aren't any official publication reviews out yet. I see a bunch of 0's, which is simply unrealistic unless you are speaking completely out of personal preference and over expectations.
Right now, I'd wager at least half of the reviews with a score of 4 and under are people who have not played the game at all, pissed about queue's, or haven't even made it to tatooine yet.
One of the 0 reviews I am looking at right now is citing EALouse's (300 million) figure. You really can't place much value on these, when a majority of them sport a glass half empty attitude while approaching the game with a nostalgic silver spoon in their pocket.
ESPECIALLY when they are using debunked lies to argue their reasoning. Lastly, consider how many fabois of other mmo's are simply giving bottom of the bowl reviews simply to spite the game.
Just wait until official review publications have spent a few weeks playing and making reviews. Until then, fasten your tin-foil hats.
Yeah instead all they gave us was full VO and everything content wise that you can expect from an MMO at launch.
BIOWARE SUCKS!!!
You're grasping at straws if you think that a lack of resizable UI deserves a 1/10 or anything.
As far as the LFG tool it has one but I am sure your talking about a dungeon finder that the commuinity was largly against.
Let's see all the BASIC FEATURES (not content, that is excusable for a newly released game) that SWTOR is missing:
1. Real race variety. I don't care if it doesn't work for the story, I want my Wookies!
2. UI customizability. Even WAR had a fully resizable UI, this is inexcusable for a 2011 game.
3. Interesting Quests. WoW was already mixing things up with things such as bombing runs and the like back in 2007(Burning Crusade), SWTOR only has Kill X, Fetch Y, Deliver Z quests.
4. Ambience. Mobs and NPCs stand still like manequins and the world feels completely sterile.
5. Competitive PvP. No ranked or Group vs Group PvP leaves PvPers out in the dust.
6. Character customization. Seriously lacking, nuff said.
7. Group Finder. That a part of the community was against it is a sad excuse; give players the options and let people decide if they want to use it or not, instead of focring everyone to stand around in the Fleet trying to find a group.
8. Gear customization. LOTRO had it in 2007, WAR had it in 2009, Rift had it earlier this year, and what's BioWare's excuse? "It didn't work perfectly so we'll remove altogether until who-knows-when"
9. Anti-aliasing. Seriously? How is this even possible?
10. Leveling Zone variety. You get a whooping one(1) zone for your level range and that's it; so much replayability....
Holy crap. All of your posts are either bashing GW2 or praising SWTOR for the past year. Damn, man.
Don't worry Archage is looking pretty good to me right about now, GW2 still looks over-rated though.
Eh, we're entirely different. I enjoy more realistic graphics, whereas you enjoy something more cartoonish. I enjoy sandbox/innovation, whereas you prefer something more traditional. Nothing wrong with either view, but I still haven't found what I'm looking for. I will look at GW2, but I don't have the highest of expectations.
You didn't read what I just typed did you?
Also since when did sandbox=innovation? When did innovation (FUCK THAT WORD AND ALL WHO FUCKING USE IT) mean fun?
Why are you getting all upset and throwing cuss words around? That just ruins good discussions. Try to calm down a bit. Nobody here is your enemy.
Holy crap. All of your posts are either bashing GW2 or praising SWTOR for the past year. Damn, man.
Don't worry Archage is looking pretty good to me right about now, GW2 still looks over-rated though.
Eh, we're entirely different. I enjoy more realistic graphics, whereas you enjoy something more cartoonish. I enjoy sandbox/innovation, whereas you prefer something more traditional. Nothing wrong with either view, but I still haven't found what I'm looking for. I will look at GW2, but I don't have the highest of expectations.
You didn't read what I just typed did you?
Also since when did sandbox=innovation? When did innovation (FUCK THAT WORD AND ALL WHO FUCKING USE IT) mean fun?
Ah, so you're saying that you've decided to take a look elsewhere?
Well sandbox is opposing linearity, and I feel as strongly about things being linear as you do about innovation. I don't believe that innovation equates fun, but I do find innovation to be fun. I enjoy creativity and originality.
Yeah instead all they gave us was full VO and everything content wise that you can expect from an MMO at launch.
BIOWARE SUCKS!!!
You're grasping at straws if you think that a lack of resizable UI deserves a 1/10 or anything.
As far as the LFG tool it has one but I am sure your talking about a dungeon finder that the commuinity was largly against.
Let's see all the BASIC FEATURES (not content, that is excusable for a newly released game) that SWTOR is missing:
1. Real race variety. I don't care if it doesn't work for the story, I want my Wookies!
2. UI customizability. Even WAR had a fully resizable UI, this is inexcusable for a 2011 game.
3. Interesting Quests. WoW was already mixing things up with things such as bombing runs and the like back in 2007(Burning Crusade), SWTOR only has Kill X, Fetch Y, Deliver Z quests.
4. Ambience. Mobs and NPCs stand still like manequins and the world feels completely sterile.
5. Competitive PvP. No ranked or Group vs Group PvP leaves PvPers out in the dust.
6. Character customization. Seriously lacking, nuff said.
7. Group Finder. That a part of the community was against it is a sad excuse; give players the options and let people decide if they want to use it or not, instead of focring everyone to stand around in the Fleet trying to find a group.
8. Gear customization. LOTRO had it in 2007, WAR had it in 2009, Rift had it earlier this year, and what's BioWare's excuse? "It didn't work perfectly so we'll remove altogether until who-knows-when"
9. Anti-aliasing. Seriously? How is this even possible?
10. Leveling Zone variety. You get a whooping one(1) zone for your level range and that's it; so much replayability....
can add no reactive skill indicator(although some dont care for it)
no way to turn on text names just for your group(honestly why is this not here its all or none which is just stupid imho)
incomplete graphical options IE high res textures not even in the game( go from medium to high in settings it doesnt do a thing)
all may consider all this nit picky but it does start to add up
Yeah instead all they gave us was full VO and everything content wise that you can expect from an MMO at launch.
BIOWARE SUCKS!!!
You're grasping at straws if you think that a lack of resizable UI deserves a 1/10 or anything.
As far as the LFG tool it has one but I am sure your talking about a dungeon finder that the commuinity was largly against.
Let's see all the BASIC FEATURES (not content, that is excusable for a newly released game) that SWTOR is missing:
1. Real race variety. I don't care if it doesn't work for the story, I want my Wookies!
2. UI customizability. Even WAR had a fully resizable UI, this is inexcusable for a 2011 game.
3. Interesting Quests. WoW was already mixing things up with things such as bombing runs and the like back in 2007(Burning Crusade), SWTOR only has Kill X, Fetch Y, Deliver Z quests.
4. Ambience. Mobs and NPCs stand still like manequins and the world feels completely sterile.
5. Competitive PvP. No ranked or Group vs Group PvP leaves PvPers out in the dust.
6. Character customization. Seriously lacking, nuff said.
7. Group Finder. That a part of the community was against it is a sad excuse; give players the options and let people decide if they want to use it or not, instead of focring everyone to stand around in the Fleet trying to find a group.
8. Gear customization. LOTRO had it in 2007, WAR had it in 2009, Rift had it earlier this year, what's BioWare's excuse?
9. Anti-aliasing. Seriously? How is this even possible?
10. Leveling Zone variety. You get a whooping one(1) zone for your level range and that's it; so much replayability....
1.Content
2.They said they are working on it
3.Subjective
4.Mobs move around and take cover when you attack them, but you're more then likely talking about the retarded shit like one or two mobs walking around aimlessly right?
5.Um there is a PvP rank and you can create a group of four in BGs.
6. I agree
7.I agree
8. Never used orange gear? or are you just ignoring that little part of the game where every item has an orange counter part that is fully moddable?
9. Don't care nor do I even know what that means and I doubt your casual gamer would care.
10.You'd rather have one or two more places to level then 8 fully VO story lines to play through?
I don't see many objective view points on the site. I see a bunch of 0's, which is simply unrealistic unless you are speaking completely out of personal preference and over expectations. Just wait until official review publications have spent a few weeks playing and making reviews.
Right now, I'd wager at least half of the reviews with a score of 4 and under are people who have not played the game at all, pissed about queue's, or haven't even made it to tatooine yet.
One of the 0 reviews I am looking at right now is citing EALouse's (300 million) figure. You really can't place much value on these, when a majority of them sport a glass half empty attitude while approaching the game with a nostalgic silver spoon in their pocket.
Can't place any value on anyone giving the game a 10 now either...because they are just as bad and misleading.
Holy crap. All of your posts are either bashing GW2 or praising SWTOR for the past year. Damn, man.
Don't worry Archage is looking pretty good to me right about now, GW2 still looks over-rated though.
Eh, we're entirely different. I enjoy more realistic graphics, whereas you enjoy something more cartoonish. I enjoy sandbox/innovation, whereas you prefer something more traditional. Nothing wrong with either view, but I still haven't found what I'm looking for. I will look at GW2, but I don't have the highest of expectations.
You didn't read what I just typed did you?
Also since when did sandbox=innovation? When did innovation (FUCK THAT WORD AND ALL WHO FUCKING USE IT) mean fun?
Why are you getting all upset and throwing cuss words around? That just ruins good discussions. Try to calm down a bit. Nobody here is your enemy.
I know I need to cool off (Personal matter arn't helping) Allow me to appologize and edit my post.
Holy crap. All of your posts are either bashing GW2 or praising SWTOR for the past year. Damn, man.
Don't worry Archage is looking pretty good to me right about now, GW2 still looks over-rated though.
Eh, we're entirely different. I enjoy more realistic graphics, whereas you enjoy something more cartoonish. I enjoy sandbox/innovation, whereas you prefer something more traditional. Nothing wrong with either view, but I still haven't found what I'm looking for. I will look at GW2, but I don't have the highest of expectations.
You didn't read what I just typed did you?
Also since when did sandbox=innovation? When did innovation (FUCK THAT WORD AND ALL WHO FUCKING USE IT) mean fun?
Ah, so you're saying that you've decided to take a look elsewhere?
No not at all, I am just not tied down to a single group of games that I perfer.
Holy crap. All of your posts are either bashing GW2 or praising SWTOR for the past year. Damn, man.
Don't worry Archage is looking pretty good to me right about now, GW2 still looks over-rated though.
Eh, we're entirely different. I enjoy more realistic graphics, whereas you enjoy something more cartoonish. I enjoy sandbox/innovation, whereas you prefer something more traditional. Nothing wrong with either view, but I still haven't found what I'm looking for. I will look at GW2, but I don't have the highest of expectations.
You didn't read what I just typed did you?
Also since when did sandbox=innovation? When did innovation (FUCK THAT WORD AND ALL WHO FUCKING USE IT) mean fun?
Why are you getting all upset and throwing cuss words around? That just ruins good discussions. Try to calm down a bit. Nobody here is your enemy.
I know I need to cool off (Personal matter arn't helping) Allow me to appologize and edit my post.
It is funny, go read the negative reviews compared to the positive reviews. Many of the negative reviews talk about the game(some really good ones I might add) while most of the positive reviews are people attacking the negative reviewers while giving the game a 10.
I noticed this as well, it makes it extremely hard to give weight to the 9 and 10's.
Personally, i tried the game and i say tried because the game was boring to me by lvl 10. I am positive i will get replies about not playing longer and not doing this or that, but in all honestly, if a game can't keep my attention early on, then i could care less about how much anyone claims it gets better later on.
I'd say about 4/10-6/10 is the score range i would set this game in. It lacks too much to be any higher and what it does have isn't all that great or appealing, but it isn't something i could place lower than a 3 or 4 outa 10 because it is taking advantage of those people who like the things they are familiar with and using the name of the franchise to make sales. However, it is definitely not the worst i have seen over the past 5 years.
I read a lot of the opinions on that website and a lot of those critics backed up their opinions with reasoning. Its just that they then gave a score of 1 or 0 lol when their conclusion was that the game is mediocre at best in their eyes.
So I wouldnt really look at the scores that are being given, just read some of the critics to see why they were disappointed with SWTOR. To see if those are things you find important too for a MMO.
I agree with others and find user reviews very important before trying a game.
Comments
http://www.gamerevolution.com/review/survivor Ya, that is Survivor...
rift has one and it works great
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Took Rift months before they added it try again please.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
for the cross server one but it had one in at release.. either way doesn't matter que is up back to the game
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Holy crap. All of your posts are either bashing GW2 or praising SWTOR for the past year. Damn, man.
What you're forgetting, or ignoring, is that a lot of people do NOT want this feature as they feel it takes away from the game. It's not a matter of them leaving out necessary functions, it's a matter of them not being sure this is a function they want in their game.
yes but honestly who feels spamming LFG is the better way.. bet you could do a poll now of everyone playing and the majority would want a dungeon finder over the LFG spam
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Don't worry Archeage is looking pretty good to me right about now, GW2 still looks over-rated though.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Eh, we're entirely different. I enjoy more realistic graphics, whereas you enjoy something more cartoonish. I enjoy sandbox/innovation, whereas you prefer something more traditional. Nothing wrong with either view, but I still haven't found what I'm looking for. I will look at GW2, but I don't have the highest of expectations.
Actually, 10s are closer to reality than zeros.
Making an effort and trying to objectively judge games, integrate them into their genre-competition and conclude a fair score minus personal taste...
...by no means are games like SWTOR or Skyrim bad.
If I had to judge SWTOR, the lowest end of the scale would be "Dark and Light", which rightfully tanked 12 months after release. That's a true 1/10 (broken skills, crafting, housing, PvP, PvE). And the top of the scale, not sure, maybe something like EvE Online or Rift; Games that, regardless of personal preference, are good at what they try to be, are entertaining and fun.
So yea, someone who - in his right mind - states that SWTOR is a 0 out of 10 points has either no clue/experience with gaming in general, is a dumbass hater-Troll hybrid or just unwilling to see beyond a single frustrating point in their experience with the game.
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I agree...and in the end if the fans of the game and the detractors continue to score the way they are scoring - it iwll get a fair score of about 5 or 6. In my book that is average and the game deserves consideration to be looked at as a potentially good game for what it is.
You didn't read what I just typed did you?
Also since when did sandbox=innovation? When did innovation mean fun?
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
I don't see many objective view points on metacritic yet. As to be expected, their aren't any official publication reviews out yet. I see a bunch of 0's, which is simply unrealistic unless you are speaking completely out of personal preference and over expectations.
Right now, I'd wager at least half of the reviews with a score of 4 and under are people who have not played the game at all, pissed about queue's, or haven't even made it to tatooine yet.
One of the 0 reviews I am looking at right now is citing EALouse's (300 million) figure. You really can't place much value on these, when a majority of them sport a glass half empty attitude while approaching the game with a nostalgic silver spoon in their pocket.
ESPECIALLY when they are using debunked lies to argue their reasoning. Lastly, consider how many fabois of other mmo's are simply giving bottom of the bowl reviews simply to spite the game.
Just wait until official review publications have spent a few weeks playing and making reviews. Until then, fasten your tin-foil hats.
Let's see all the BASIC FEATURES (not content, that is excusable for a newly released game) that SWTOR is missing:
1. Real race variety. I don't care if it doesn't work for the story, I want my Wookies!
2. UI customizability. Even WAR had a fully resizable UI, this is inexcusable for a 2011 game.
3. Interesting Quests. WoW was already mixing things up with things such as bombing runs and the like back in 2007(Burning Crusade), SWTOR only has Kill X, Fetch Y, Deliver Z quests.
4. Ambience. Mobs and NPCs stand still like manequins and the world feels completely sterile.
5. Competitive PvP. No ranked or Group vs Group PvP leaves PvPers out in the dust.
6. Character customization. Seriously lacking, nuff said.
7. Group Finder. That a part of the community was against it is a sad excuse; give players the options and let people decide if they want to use it or not, instead of focring everyone to stand around in the Fleet trying to find a group.
8. Gear customization. LOTRO had it in 2007, WAR had it in 2009, Rift had it earlier this year, and what's BioWare's excuse? "It didn't work perfectly so we'll remove altogether until who-knows-when"
9. Anti-aliasing. Seriously? How is this even possible?
10. Leveling Zone variety. You get a whooping one(1) zone for your level range and that's it; so much replayability....
Why are you getting all upset and throwing cuss words around? That just ruins good discussions. Try to calm down a bit. Nobody here is your enemy.
Ah, so you're saying that you've decided to take a look elsewhere?
Well sandbox is opposing linearity, and I feel as strongly about things being linear as you do about innovation. I don't believe that innovation equates fun, but I do find innovation to be fun. I enjoy creativity and originality.
can add no reactive skill indicator(although some dont care for it)
no way to turn on text names just for your group(honestly why is this not here its all or none which is just stupid imho)
incomplete graphical options IE high res textures not even in the game( go from medium to high in settings it doesnt do a thing)
all may consider all this nit picky but it does start to add up
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
1.Content
2.They said they are working on it
3.Subjective
4.Mobs move around and take cover when you attack them, but you're more then likely talking about the retarded shit like one or two mobs walking around aimlessly right?
5.Um there is a PvP rank and you can create a group of four in BGs.
6. I agree
7.I agree
8. Never used orange gear? or are you just ignoring that little part of the game where every item has an orange counter part that is fully moddable?
9. Don't care nor do I even know what that means and I doubt your casual gamer would care.
10.You'd rather have one or two more places to level then 8 fully VO story lines to play through?
But what do I know I'm just a fanboi.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Can't place any value on anyone giving the game a 10 now either...because they are just as bad and misleading.
I know I need to cool off (Personal matter arn't helping) Allow me to appologize and edit my post.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
No not at all, I am just not tied down to a single group of games that I perfer.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
Apology accepted. ::hug::
Well, gotta make dinner and such. Hopefully SWTOR will get some good updates/expansions and everyone will be happy.
I noticed this as well, it makes it extremely hard to give weight to the 9 and 10's.
Personally, i tried the game and i say tried because the game was boring to me by lvl 10. I am positive i will get replies about not playing longer and not doing this or that, but in all honestly, if a game can't keep my attention early on, then i could care less about how much anyone claims it gets better later on.
I'd say about 4/10-6/10 is the score range i would set this game in. It lacks too much to be any higher and what it does have isn't all that great or appealing, but it isn't something i could place lower than a 3 or 4 outa 10 because it is taking advantage of those people who like the things they are familiar with and using the name of the franchise to make sales. However, it is definitely not the worst i have seen over the past 5 years.
I read a lot of the opinions on that website and a lot of those critics backed up their opinions with reasoning. Its just that they then gave a score of 1 or 0 lol when their conclusion was that the game is mediocre at best in their eyes.
So I wouldnt really look at the scores that are being given, just read some of the critics to see why they were disappointed with SWTOR. To see if those are things you find important too for a MMO.
I agree with others and find user reviews very important before trying a game.