if those that dont think user opinion is important why are you hanging out on the gaming forums and giving your own opinion on TOR and TOR bashers. becuase user opinion/reviews doesnt really matter, you said it yourself. so you might aswell stop posting on the forum about your likes and dislikes.
when the reality is user opinion means EVERYTHING to these games. maybe not to you but to the majority of people they do matter. if someone was to go looking for a game to buy and sees 50% negativity. what are the chances of that person buying it.. not very high. its obvious to those who know better the SWTOR isnt a 10 nor is it a 0 but many dont know. people like to research befor buying video games so they dont get burnt again like on crappy games of the past.
SW has it problems thats for sure. that being said it isnt a bad game, but it also no where near being a great game. is it worth a play if your not already playing something else, sure it is for the story alone. do i think its going to last the test of time. nope. i'm not alone on this feeling, even the people i know who love TOR feel this way.
here is a good example . a mother goes to the store for her child looking for a game, she doesnt know what to pick but she knows her child likes SW. so she asks the salesman his OPINION. he say nah you dont want that game i played it myself and i think.. blah blah blah. but i played this one and was great.. blah blah blah.. so she buys a differnt game for her child.
saying the reviews and opinions of others dont matter becuase someone bashing or praising a game you like/hate is a stupid defense.
getting hatred on metacritic is a good thing. modern warfare 3 got destroyed, and it sold 12.5 million copies or something ridiculous in it's first week.
Yes, but
a) they won't sell 12,5 million copies of MW3. they'll be lucky if they sell a couple of mil. people don't like to be burned
b) SW:TOR is counting on retention. let that sink in.
And would you feel this dismissive if the majority of those reviews were positive and praising of TOR?
I'll put $20 on "No, you wouldn't". You'd be affirming them as "valid opinions".
I'd bet a further $20 that every person in this thread slamming the negative reviews and launching ad-hominems at the reviewers for daring to not like TOR and, worse, demonstrating the unmitigated audacity to actually say so, would be praising and holding up those reviews as "proof of how awesome TOR is" if they were positive.
$100 says I would win both of those bets.
Honestly, the responses/reactions of some people in this thread are just as hysterical, biased and predictable as the most critical of those on Metacritic. It doesn't matter what they're saying, how much or how little they've played or what they do and don't like about the game. All they have to do is criticize it and that's it... they're ripped to shreds without a second thought.
Why are some of you people so absolutely engraged when someone expresses a dislike for something you enjoy? Why all the intolerance and hostility toward a differing opinion? Are some of you so insecure in your own point-of-view, that you feel you have to tar, feather and rip apart any who doesn't share it?
Seriously. They're just opinions, folks.
Yeah seriously, don't understand why people are so upset about someone else not liking the game you like. They have the right to their opinion just like you have the right to yours.
Metacritic is after all a bunch of non-professional reviews which means they are mostly subjective opinions. If you can't stand that then dont look at the site.
getting hatred on metacritic is a good thing. modern warfare 3 got destroyed, and it sold 12.5 million copies or something ridiculous in it's first week.
PC version of MW3 got an 80. have to wait and see what they give TOR. yah users reviews are bad but that doesnt stop people from enjoying playing it even if they think its not as good as the ones befor. i dont think the MMO base is that lenient, becuase if the monthly fee attached.
if SWTOR was without a monthly fee i bet they would have gotten ALOT more sales, even if people didnt like it that much.
Man, if you cant trust reviews of a video game because everything is an agenda how can you trust people voting on things? What you are saying is that pretty much everything is a joke.
It's not surprising the game gets so many negative reviews.
If this game was released before WoW it would get praised all over the internet.
But Blizzard has set a really high standard and bar with WoW which imo is the best game ever to be created.
And I for one think that SWTOR is the first MMO that actually manages to be good LIKE WoW. But the truth is it's not enough anymore. I and many other quit WoW because of getting tired of the grind and repetitive questing. It wasn't bad at all but it got old.
Logging into SWTOR and getting back into grinding, only with good voice acting and cut scenes, just isn't enough.
But I understand Bioware for making another themepark MMO. When you launch something this big with a budget like that you need to get you $$ back. You won't take risks in trying to invent something new, you copy what works.
SWTOR is a good WoW MMO reskinned. If you aren't tired of the WoW grind then SWTOR will not disappoint.
And would you feel this dismissive if the majority of those reviews were positive and praising of TOR?
I'll put $20 on "No, you wouldn't". You'd be affirming them as "valid opinions".
I'd bet a further $20 that every person in this thread slamming the negative reviews and launching ad-hominems at the reviewers for daring to not like TOR and, worse, demonstrating the unmitigated audacity to actually say so, would be praising and holding up those reviews as "proof of how awesome TOR is" if they were positive.
$100 says I would win both of those bets.
Honestly, the responses/reactions of some people in this thread are just as hysterical, biased and predictable as the most critical of those on Metacritic. It doesn't matter what they're saying, how much or how little they've played or what they do and don't like about the game. All they have to do is criticize it and that's it... they're ripped to shreds without a second thought.
Why are some of you people so absolutely engraged when someone expresses a dislike for something you enjoy? Why all the intolerance and hostility toward a differing opinion? Are some of you so insecure in your own point-of-view, that you feel you have to tar, feather and rip apart any who doesn't share it?
Seriously. They're just opinions, folks.
Yeah seriously, don't understand why people are so upset about someone else not liking the game you like. They have the right to their opinion just like you have the right to yours.
Metacritic is after all a bunch of non-professional reviews which means they are mostly subjective opinions. If you can't stand that then dont look at the site.
Not to mention, reviews - especially user reviews - are, by their nature, subjective. Negative reviews by people saying the game is bad are no more subjective than those by people saying the game is awesome. To accept one as "acceptable" while dismissing the other for no other reason than it dares to conflict with one's own thoughts is arrogant and hypocritical.
Some folks love the game. Some think it's okay. Some think it's seriously lacking. Some think it's terrible.
There's plenty of opinion to go around.
Trashing someone who gives the game a negative review, or levels harsh criticism at it doesn't make them look bad, it makes the person trashing that opinion look insecure in their own opinions and intolerant of anything different.
And no, saying "well the probably didn't even play the game" or some derivative of that, is not a reasonable counter-argument; it's a presumptuous and lazy excuse intended only to dismiss an opinion you ("you" in general) don't agree with. It's just one of many examples of complete and utter intolerance toward differing opinions that is demonstrated around here daily. It's especially hostile around this game.
Everyone is entitled to voice their own opinion. No one is obligated to agree with "yours". The hostility is seriously unwarranted, folks.
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Was the same with COD:MW3 Ihate COD but didnt review it (how can you review something you wont play) there where a lot of BF3 fanbois the day it released giving it 0s or 1s just the way the internet works
Meh. Here's what's going to happen. As time goes on, the good reviews will gradually out weight the bad reviews. Why? The people who do not like the game have been waiting to post all their bad reviews as soon as the ratings system opened. Everyone else is playing the game. Once they get done playing the game, they'll wander over to Metacritic and post their reviews.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Meh. Here's what's going to happen. As time goes on, the good reviews will gradually out weight the bad reviews. Why? The people who do not like the game have been waiting to post all their bad reviews as soon as the ratings system opened. Everyone else is playing the game. Once they get done playing the game, they'll wander over to Metacritic and post their reviews.
Or you'll have people growing bored in a week or two after the honeymoon period is over when they discover that the game has no substance except the storylines.
If you make an effort and read some of the reviews you'll notice that many are written by beta testers (fanbois by definition otherwise they wouldnt apply for beta) who grew tired of the game quickly.
Personally, I expect the score to go even lower with time.
Meh. Here's what's going to happen. As time goes on, the good reviews will gradually out weight the bad reviews. Why? The people who do not like the game have been waiting to post all their bad reviews as soon as the ratings system opened. Everyone else is playing the game. Once they get done playing the game, they'll wander over to Metacritic and post their reviews.
Or you'll have people growing bored in a week or two after the honeymoon period is over and they discover that the game has no substance except the storylines.
If you make an effort and read some of the reviews you'll notice that many are written by beta testers (fanbois by definition otherwise they wouldnt apply for beta) who grew tired of the game quickly.
Personally, I expect the score to go even lower with time.
That one line destroys anything else you said, since its completely 100% false.
Of course, I'm sure in your world anyone who was remotely positive/interested in teh game would be a fanboy.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Meh. Here's what's going to happen. As time goes on, the good reviews will gradually out weight the bad reviews. Why? The people who do not like the game have been waiting to post all their bad reviews as soon as the ratings system opened. Everyone else is playing the game. Once they get done playing the game, they'll wander over to Metacritic and post their reviews.
Or you'll have people growing bored in a week or two after the honeymoon period is over and they discover that the game has no substance except the storylines.
If you make an effort and read some of the reviews you'll notice that many are written by beta testers (fanbois by definition otherwise they wouldnt apply for beta) who grew tired of the game quickly.
Personally, I expect the score to go even lower with time.
That one line destroys anything else you said, since its completely 100% false.
Of course, I'm sure in your world anyone who was remotely positive/interested in teh game would be a fanboy.
I regret my unfortunate choice of words.
Replace "fanboi" with "someone who has at least somewhat positive expectations of the game" and all is well. My point still stands.
The user rating has actually gone up since I looked at it yesterday.
That's the guys liking the game and taking a break to write their reviews. We'll see how the score holds up when the peeps who started with release begin hitting the 30s and especially the endgame.
I really hate to be a doomsayer (ok, i lie) but usually user scores go down, rather than up. Unless there are massive patches and changes to the game.
Or you'll have people growing bored in a week or two after the honeymoon period is over when they discover that the game has no substance except the storylines.
If you make an effort and read some of the reviews you'll notice that many are written by beta testers (fanbois by definition otherwise they wouldnt apply for beta) who grew tired of the game quickly.
Personally, I expect the score to go even lower with time.
Dude, seriously, if you don't like the game, why hang out in the forums to keep trashing it? When the next game comes out, the haters here will move on to it in and vicious cycle. I've learned that you take user reviews with a grain of salt.
Easiest way to narrow down reviews to the ones I should read: ignore 1-3, ignore 9-10, and you get roughly unbiased reviews. No fanbois, no haters.
Oh hell, don't blame us please. Most of us are hoping that SWTOR will be great enough that people will finally shut up about it because they are too busy playing.
The fact that you guys are so defensive about a game that isn't in beta yet is an unending source of amusement.
Or you'll have people growing bored in a week or two after the honeymoon period is over when they discover that the game has no substance except the storylines.
If you make an effort and read some of the reviews you'll notice that many are written by beta testers (fanbois by definition otherwise they wouldnt apply for beta) who grew tired of the game quickly.
Personally, I expect the score to go even lower with time.
Dude, seriously, if you don't like the game, why hang out in the forums to keep trashing it? When the next game comes out, the haters here will move on to it in and vicious cycle. I've learned that you take user reviews with a grain of salt.
Easiest way to narrow down reviews to the ones I should read: ignore 1-3, ignore 9-10, and you get roughly unbiased reviews. No fanbois, no haters.
Uhm actually if you dont like the game you would be more inclined to hang out in forums because if you would like the game you would hang out in the game, or the official forums at least.
That is why mmorpg.com is so great because it is some kind of neutral ground where you can criticise the game without mods, who have their invested interests on the official forums, ban you for doing so. On the other hand they have this strange rule about being "excessively negative" on these forums which prevents people from spamming hate posts (as well as many valid posts but that is another story).
2.1 out of 10 for MW3? I'm not a COD fan at all, never have been but seriously that's just ridiculous, this is agenda not a game review.
The problem is that users have no sense of proporation. They just vote 10 for "I like it" and 0 for "I don't like it."
I know me and about 4358734238 other TOR fans would never post any kind of review on Metacritic because the user reviews there are notorious for being complete and total bullshit.
Again, see MW3 user score.
People who "trust" user reviews more then professional reviews are retarded. I'm sorry it's true.
People (users) are the mob, and the mob is generally wrong.
The mob loves Jersey Shore, the mob loves MW3 (despite the metacritic reviews), the mob loves socialism.
When the average IQ in Western societies is around 100, well... you get my point.
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if those that dont think user opinion is important why are you hanging out on the gaming forums and giving your own opinion on TOR and TOR bashers. becuase user opinion/reviews doesnt really matter, you said it yourself. so you might aswell stop posting on the forum about your likes and dislikes.
when the reality is user opinion means EVERYTHING to these games. maybe not to you but to the majority of people they do matter. if someone was to go looking for a game to buy and sees 50% negativity. what are the chances of that person buying it.. not very high. its obvious to those who know better the SWTOR isnt a 10 nor is it a 0 but many dont know. people like to research befor buying video games so they dont get burnt again like on crappy games of the past.
SW has it problems thats for sure. that being said it isnt a bad game, but it also no where near being a great game. is it worth a play if your not already playing something else, sure it is for the story alone. do i think its going to last the test of time. nope. i'm not alone on this feeling, even the people i know who love TOR feel this way.
here is a good example . a mother goes to the store for her child looking for a game, she doesnt know what to pick but she knows her child likes SW. so she asks the salesman his OPINION. he say nah you dont want that game i played it myself and i think.. blah blah blah. but i played this one and was great.. blah blah blah.. so she buys a differnt game for her child.
saying the reviews and opinions of others dont matter becuase someone bashing or praising a game you like/hate is a stupid defense.
Yes, but
a) they won't sell 12,5 million copies of MW3. they'll be lucky if they sell a couple of mil. people don't like to be burned
b) SW:TOR is counting on retention. let that sink in.
Yeah seriously, don't understand why people are so upset about someone else not liking the game you like. They have the right to their opinion just like you have the right to yours.
Metacritic is after all a bunch of non-professional reviews which means they are mostly subjective opinions. If you can't stand that then dont look at the site.
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PC version of MW3 got an 80. have to wait and see what they give TOR. yah users reviews are bad but that doesnt stop people from enjoying playing it even if they think its not as good as the ones befor. i dont think the MMO base is that lenient, becuase if the monthly fee attached.
if SWTOR was without a monthly fee i bet they would have gotten ALOT more sales, even if people didnt like it that much.
All of us TOR lovers are too busy playing the game to actually spend time writting a review or giving our opinion.
The only people writing reviews are the ones stuck on the starter worlds or sitting in a queue.
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Man, if you cant trust reviews of a video game because everything is an agenda how can you trust people voting on things? What you are saying is that pretty much everything is a joke.
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Which ones, fanboi or hater ones?
User review numbers are usually about as useful as nipples on men, fun to play with every once in a while but thats it.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
The average score.
being ripped on metacritic but quite high on MMORPG.com
It's not surprising the game gets so many negative reviews.
If this game was released before WoW it would get praised all over the internet.
But Blizzard has set a really high standard and bar with WoW which imo is the best game ever to be created.
And I for one think that SWTOR is the first MMO that actually manages to be good LIKE WoW. But the truth is it's not enough anymore. I and many other quit WoW because of getting tired of the grind and repetitive questing. It wasn't bad at all but it got old.
Logging into SWTOR and getting back into grinding, only with good voice acting and cut scenes, just isn't enough.
But I understand Bioware for making another themepark MMO. When you launch something this big with a budget like that you need to get you $$ back. You won't take risks in trying to invent something new, you copy what works.
SWTOR is a good WoW MMO reskinned. If you aren't tired of the WoW grind then SWTOR will not disappoint.
Not to mention, reviews - especially user reviews - are, by their nature, subjective. Negative reviews by people saying the game is bad are no more subjective than those by people saying the game is awesome. To accept one as "acceptable" while dismissing the other for no other reason than it dares to conflict with one's own thoughts is arrogant and hypocritical.
Some folks love the game. Some think it's okay. Some think it's seriously lacking. Some think it's terrible.
There's plenty of opinion to go around.
Trashing someone who gives the game a negative review, or levels harsh criticism at it doesn't make them look bad, it makes the person trashing that opinion look insecure in their own opinions and intolerant of anything different.
And no, saying "well the probably didn't even play the game" or some derivative of that, is not a reasonable counter-argument; it's a presumptuous and lazy excuse intended only to dismiss an opinion you ("you" in general) don't agree with. It's just one of many examples of complete and utter intolerance toward differing opinions that is demonstrated around here daily. It's especially hostile around this game.
Everyone is entitled to voice their own opinion. No one is obligated to agree with "yours". The hostility is seriously unwarranted, folks.
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Was the same with COD:MW3 Ihate COD but didnt review it (how can you review something you wont play) there where a lot of BF3 fanbois the day it released giving it 0s or 1s just the way the internet works
Meh. Here's what's going to happen. As time goes on, the good reviews will gradually out weight the bad reviews. Why? The people who do not like the game have been waiting to post all their bad reviews as soon as the ratings system opened. Everyone else is playing the game. Once they get done playing the game, they'll wander over to Metacritic and post their reviews.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
Or you'll have people growing bored in a week or two after the honeymoon period is over when they discover that the game has no substance except the storylines.
If you make an effort and read some of the reviews you'll notice that many are written by beta testers (fanbois by definition otherwise they wouldnt apply for beta) who grew tired of the game quickly.
Personally, I expect the score to go even lower with time.
That one line destroys anything else you said, since its completely 100% false.
Of course, I'm sure in your world anyone who was remotely positive/interested in teh game would be a fanboy.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
The user rating has actually gone up since I looked at it yesterday.
I regret my unfortunate choice of words.
Replace "fanboi" with "someone who has at least somewhat positive expectations of the game" and all is well. My point still stands.
It has. I think there's been some rallying going on, but it'll still balance out in a few days.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
That's the guys liking the game and taking a break to write their reviews. We'll see how the score holds up when the peeps who started with release begin hitting the 30s and especially the endgame.
I really hate to be a doomsayer (ok, i lie) but usually user scores go down, rather than up. Unless there are massive patches and changes to the game.
Dude, seriously, if you don't like the game, why hang out in the forums to keep trashing it? When the next game comes out, the haters here will move on to it in and vicious cycle. I've learned that you take user reviews with a grain of salt.
Easiest way to narrow down reviews to the ones I should read: ignore 1-3, ignore 9-10, and you get roughly unbiased reviews. No fanbois, no haters.
The fact that you guys are so defensive about a game that isn't in beta yet is an unending source of amusement.
WoW2 is going to be the best game ever, amirite?
Uhm actually if you dont like the game you would be more inclined to hang out in forums because if you would like the game you would hang out in the game, or the official forums at least.
That is why mmorpg.com is so great because it is some kind of neutral ground where you can criticise the game without mods, who have their invested interests on the official forums, ban you for doing so. On the other hand they have this strange rule about being "excessively negative" on these forums which prevents people from spamming hate posts (as well as many valid posts but that is another story).
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I know me and about 4358734238 other TOR fans would never post any kind of review on Metacritic because the user reviews there are notorious for being complete and total bullshit.
Again, see MW3 user score.
People who "trust" user reviews more then professional reviews are retarded. I'm sorry it's true.
People (users) are the mob, and the mob is generally wrong.
The mob loves Jersey Shore, the mob loves MW3 (despite the metacritic reviews), the mob loves socialism.
When the average IQ in Western societies is around 100, well... you get my point.