im not saying it doesnt give more meaning to the quest itself but what you are actually doing in the quest is the same old kill this, get that, find that stuff.. nothing innovative about any of that. Considering a lot of the story quests areas are instanced they have freedom to do whatever they wanted inside there but feels they fell short and went the easy route.
This is where we disagree, I think story to the extent of which Bioware has added it is very innovative, I tried to play WoW last week and kept expecting a wheel to pop up.
You'll have to expand upon the highlighted I don't get what you're trying to say.
ok for example in the jedi counslar starter planet you have a quest to deciifer some artifacts with the lizard guy(forget his name) You go into a huge area that is totally instanced. In that instance you kill a couple static mobs, you find the 3 large rocks and have a conversation, some people come in and you can choose to kill them or not and thats it. When you make something instanced you think scripted NPCs you think more like how dungeons are setup with lots of things going on. Now not all instanced quest areas are like this but many are.
Tell me, How many other games gives you those kind of options?
And tell me this, how many other quest in other MMOs can you remember this clearly?
In WoW/EQ/EvE/COH I can't remember a single time where I ever got the choice to kill something or not.
As far as the whole dungeon this is concerned well thats what actually dungeons in TOR are for...
ok for example in the jedi counslar starter planet you have a quest to deciifer some artifacts with the lizard guy(forget his name) You go into a huge area that is totally instanced. In that instance you kill a couple static mobs, you find the 3 large rocks and have a conversation, some people come in and you can choose to kill them or not and thats it. When you make something instanced you think scripted NPCs you think more like how dungeons are setup with lots of things going on. Now not all instanced quest areas are like this but many are.
Only class story quests are instanced in the open world. That, however, is an extremely intelligent move as most scripted events do not work nearly as well if they are not instanced. There is no "BioWare took the easy path." It's just logical that an instanced area will provide greater scriptability.
I agree but feel they used the instance just for the scripted dialog when they could of added more into the actually instance as far as gameplay which is one of the biggest criticisms with the game Iv'e seen from people
I agree but feel they used the instance just for the scripted dialog when they could of added more into the actually instance as far as gameplay which is one of the biggest criticisms with the game Iv'e seen from people
Dragon Age Origin sucks because it plays like KOTOR.
BF3 Sucks because it plays like COD
Fallout sucks because it plays live Oblivion.
I could make a huge list.
There are plenty of games that don't use the WoW (What is TOR case COH/GW) combat. Play them.
That's true for a vast majority of the haters on this site. Why take the time to actually play a game when you can just whine that it doesn't fit some idealized list of features you think a game should have?
I can't understand how people get so bogged up in their relativistic opinions that base absolutely nothing on reality, and everything on pre-conceived ideas that don't factor in anything but blind bias. These kinds of people should stay as far away from "reviewing" as possible.
I don't mind seeing poor reviews in the 5-7 range, as long as they back up their arguments with facts, and note that some of what they say is preference. When I review games, I tell people I will try to be objective, but there is always some bias.
This is what defines "reviewers" from half of the "dummies" on Metacritic, giving the game 0-3 in the review section. It's not a realistic score at all, even if it were to be poorly received by somebody, a person should still be able to weigh pros/cons from an industry standpoint, and give the game at least a 5 or 6.
Opinions are fine even when extremely negative, but if you can't weigh pros and cons objectively, never review anything in your entire life because it will always be misleading and preferential, which does absolutely no justice to the end product, and there is enough misleading crap on the internet as it is.
If I had a lot of money, I'd seriously offer to pay counseling fees for a good portion the amateur haters on metacritic. Don't these lunatics understand that a (0) on the gaming score is pretty much reserved for "disks" that can't even get past the install window?
I agree but feel they used the instance just for the scripted dialog when they could of added more into the actually instance as far as gameplay which is one of the biggest criticisms with the game Iv'e seen from people
Dragon Age Origin sucks because it plays like KOTOR.
BF3 Sucks because it plays like COD
Fallout sucks because it plays live Oblivion.
I could make a huge list.
There are plenty of games that don't use the WoW (What is TOR case COH/GW) combat. Play them.
not sure what that has to do with my post at all.. nevermind though I could write a novel on my opinion of what could make this game great but in the end its just an opinion and ill leave it at that..
Its a big problem. Fans of this game are rediculously blind of flaws, while people who dislike it are blowing things out of proportion.
Lets face it, this game is far from perfect. There are a good deal of flaws to it and its nothing any fanboyism can really hide successfully. This game isn't anywhere near a gem that its made out to be by those people and its no where near the pile of dung that others claim.
For me I rate it about 6/10, which is above the score there, but I know with fans being here, I'd get ripped appart myself for giving a score that low.
1.Pointless to me, But considering the legacy system and the fact that the female trooper romance ends in talk of adopting a kid. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Mj3Tsd6nC4 races like Cathar are more then likely going to be in for a content patch.
2. This just show the impations of MMO gamers.
3. Actually sorry but you're wrong. Most go kill X quest are bonus and the fetch Y normally has a story behind it.
4. So what is full VO to you then? It's like you have selective hearing but with MMO features.
5.Can easily be added later once again you're going to be forever disapointed if you expect everything in an MMO to be there at launch.
actually 5 can really sum up all of your complaints.
All in all I think you are being unfair to the game.
/facepalm
[Mod Edit] I don't care if a feature can be added later, I am paying NOW and I expect the game to provide the same BASIC features that other games provide NOW.
If I was asking for flying mounts, dual specs, PvP tournaments, etc then yes, I would be being unfair. The fact is SWTOR is missing BASIC features that were available in older MMO's AT LAUNCH. SWTOR isn't a friend that I have to take pity on, it's a product that I am paying for and I have the right to be disappointed when it turns out to be below average in almost every aspect except it's main selling point (story/VO).
Also, do you think that other MMO's are not going to keep adding content and features? Do you think they are just going to say "Oh SWTOR is behind us in features, let's not improve our game and let them catch up"?
Of course not, decent games like Rift or WoW already have a lead on SWTOR in terms of features and they are going to make damn sure they keep it that way. BWAustin is gonna have to go into overdrive if they hope to catch up, something which is made even more difficult by the fact that they have to voice all of their content.
I expected extreme reviews from both lovers and haters of TOR, but I'm actually kind of shocked at how polar opposite reviews are. It's either practically perfect or barely better than watching poop slide off of a plate.
I've seen similar reactions when other games launched (Rift, FF, Aion), but this is even more extreme. I guess the bigger the game, the bigger the reactions from both sides.
Current: None Played: WoW, CoX, SWG, LotRO, EVE, AoC, VG, CO, Ryzom, DF, WAR Tried: Lineage2, Dofus, EQ2, CoS, FE, UO, Wurm, Wakfu Future: The Repopulation, ArcheAge, Black Desert, EQN
I dunno about that. I'm a GW2 fan and I don't have an account on Metacritic, I was thinking more along the lines of WoW fans who know their game is on the outs, since that's the game TOR is directly competing with now.
It feels very unpolished. Ill consider trying ti again in 6-12 months, hopefully its been patched and polished a little more by then. It doesnt feel innovative and in fact feels like a clone of WoW minus the 10 years of polish.
Sorry, but with a username like this.. I don't care what he says. He's not being taken seriously by me.
Originally posted by SoulSurfer @ OP: Puremallace, do you still play Aion? Vaizel really misses you. =( </3
Puremallace, do you still play Aion? Vaizel really misses you. =(
F2P Aion NA, then maybe. I refuse to give NCSoft a dime ever again.
Not touching TOR until a month or so after release. Twitch streams will show you just how badly bugged end game is and how easily stuff is being exploited. You have no clue honestly.
That's true for a vast majority of the haters on this site. Why take the time to actually play a game when you can just whine that it doesn't fit some idealized list of features you think a game should have?
I can't understand how people get so bogged up in their relativistic opinions that base absolutely nothing on reality, and everything on pre-conceived ideas that don't factor in anything but blind bias. These kinds of people should stay as far away from "reviewing" as possible.
I don't mind seeing poor reviews in the 5-7 range, as long as they back up their arguments with facts, and note that some of what they say is preference. When I review games, I tell people I will try to be objective, but there is always some bias.
This is what defines "reviewers" from half of the "dummies" on Metacritic, giving the game 0-3 in the review section. It's not a realistic score at all, even if it were to be poorly received by somebody, a person should still be able to weigh pros/cons from an industry standpoint, and give the game at least a 5 or 6.
Opinions are fine even when extremely negative, but if you can't weigh pros and cons objectively, never review anything in your entire life because it will always be misleading and preferential, which does absolutely no justice to the end product, and there is enough misleading crap on the internet as it is.
If I had a lot of money, I'd seriously offer to pay counseling fees for a good portion the amateur haters on metacritic. Don't these lunatics understand that a (0) on the gaming score is pretty much reserved for "disks" that can't even get past the install window?
*Checks queue*
If you honestly think there is such a thing as "objective" in reviews, especially in media, enertainment and art, you need a reality check.
This is all to do with panties being in a bunch or something. IDK. OMGZ I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE STAR WARS FANTASY WORLD WHERE I CAN MARRY GOLD BIKINI PRINCESS, NOT AN MMO SEQUEL TO THE OLD REPUBLIC.
Yes, the general public is retarded, and will complain about most everything in some way...ESPECIALLY in America, where fat greedy people can't be happy with anything. Good lord. I never want to be a game designer. Too much pressure, someone is always raging.
if there was an impartial list of pros and cons for TOR i bet the cons would be somewhat longer than the pros...
Dont get people who say they cannot trust 'user reviews' but rely on 'proffessional reviews' i mean really? you have heard of affiliate marketing right? Thankgod smoking is good for you as it destroys cancerous cells :P
Oh and whoever said Bioware staff should be ashamed..give them a little leeway..i mean they take orders from EA who at the same time are trying to be all nicey nice with LUCAS..morally i am sure many of the TOR staff are feeling a little bummed but hey being fired is worse than putting out something mediocre and still getitng your check **this is just my opinion not fact**
I am sure there are more happy higher ups at Blizzard than at Bioware this christmas but then blizzard do not have - EPIC SPACE COMBAT! (as seen on gamestops website for the game details of what TOR includes)
Let's be honest here, yes the scores of 0, 1, 2, stuff like that are ridiculous. But in my opinion it's just as ridiculous when I see a bunch of 10's in a row. Seriously? A 10 is basically flawless, exceptional in every aspect. That, SWTOR, is not. But neither is it crap enough to warrant anything under a 4 in my opinion. Personally I give 6 or 7
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Tell me, How many other games gives you those kind of options?
And tell me this, how many other quest in other MMOs can you remember this clearly?
In WoW/EQ/EvE/COH I can't remember a single time where I ever got the choice to kill something or not.
As far as the whole dungeon this is concerned well thats what actually dungeons in TOR are for...
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
I agree but feel they used the instance just for the scripted dialog when they could of added more into the actually instance as far as gameplay which is one of the biggest criticisms with the game Iv'e seen from people
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Dragon Age Origin sucks because it plays like KOTOR.
BF3 Sucks because it plays like COD
Fallout sucks because it plays live Oblivion.
I could make a huge list.
There are plenty of games that don't use the WoW (What is TOR case COH/GW) combat. Play them.
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
I can't understand how people get so bogged up in their relativistic opinions that base absolutely nothing on reality, and everything on pre-conceived ideas that don't factor in anything but blind bias. These kinds of people should stay as far away from "reviewing" as possible.
I don't mind seeing poor reviews in the 5-7 range, as long as they back up their arguments with facts, and note that some of what they say is preference. When I review games, I tell people I will try to be objective, but there is always some bias.
This is what defines "reviewers" from half of the "dummies" on Metacritic, giving the game 0-3 in the review section. It's not a realistic score at all, even if it were to be poorly received by somebody, a person should still be able to weigh pros/cons from an industry standpoint, and give the game at least a 5 or 6.
Opinions are fine even when extremely negative, but if you can't weigh pros and cons objectively, never review anything in your entire life because it will always be misleading and preferential, which does absolutely no justice to the end product, and there is enough misleading crap on the internet as it is.
If I had a lot of money, I'd seriously offer to pay counseling fees for a good portion the amateur haters on metacritic. Don't these lunatics understand that a (0) on the gaming score is pretty much reserved for "disks" that can't even get past the install window?
*Checks queue*
not sure what that has to do with my post at all.. nevermind though I could write a novel on my opinion of what could make this game great but in the end its just an opinion and ill leave it at that..
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Its a big problem. Fans of this game are rediculously blind of flaws, while people who dislike it are blowing things out of proportion.
Lets face it, this game is far from perfect. There are a good deal of flaws to it and its nothing any fanboyism can really hide successfully. This game isn't anywhere near a gem that its made out to be by those people and its no where near the pile of dung that others claim.
For me I rate it about 6/10, which is above the score there, but I know with fans being here, I'd get ripped appart myself for giving a score that low.
/facepalm
[Mod Edit] I don't care if a feature can be added later, I am paying NOW and I expect the game to provide the same BASIC features that other games provide NOW.
If I was asking for flying mounts, dual specs, PvP tournaments, etc then yes, I would be being unfair. The fact is SWTOR is missing BASIC features that were available in older MMO's AT LAUNCH. SWTOR isn't a friend that I have to take pity on, it's a product that I am paying for and I have the right to be disappointed when it turns out to be below average in almost every aspect except it's main selling point (story/VO).
Also, do you think that other MMO's are not going to keep adding content and features? Do you think they are just going to say "Oh SWTOR is behind us in features, let's not improve our game and let them catch up"?
Of course not, decent games like Rift or WoW already have a lead on SWTOR in terms of features and they are going to make damn sure they keep it that way. BWAustin is gonna have to go into overdrive if they hope to catch up, something which is made even more difficult by the fact that they have to voice all of their content.
I expected extreme reviews from both lovers and haters of TOR, but I'm actually kind of shocked at how polar opposite reviews are. It's either practically perfect or barely better than watching poop slide off of a plate.
I've seen similar reactions when other games launched (Rift, FF, Aion), but this is even more extreme. I guess the bigger the game, the bigger the reactions from both sides.
Current: None
Played: WoW, CoX, SWG, LotRO, EVE, AoC, VG, CO, Ryzom, DF, WAR
Tried: Lineage2, Dofus, EQ2, CoS, FE, UO, Wurm, Wakfu
Future: The Repopulation, ArcheAge, Black Desert, EQN
Noe I see the ingeniuty behind Bioware's server queues... it's for people who are waitng to play, to have time to defend/praise TOR on online forums!
Absolutely genious!!
..Cake..
Give it a month and the fanbois will even stop defending it.
"It would be awesome if you could duel your companion. Then you could solo pvp".--Thanes
I don't think counseling will help with your disease. Dear gosh, You're already turning green around the lips XD
I'm not a fanboi. I promote objective criticism. Fanbois and Haters both put me into a murderous frenzy. Opinions are not all equal, after all.
<_<
@ OP:
Puremallace, do you still play Aion? Vaizel really misses you. =(
</3
That's all you have to say? Logic cat got your tongue?
P.S. I updated my previous post with sources so you can't pretend I'm making this stuff up. I wish I was.
I like it all that matters to me I couild care less what anyone else give it be it a 10 or a 1.
I dunno about that. I'm a GW2 fan and I don't have an account on Metacritic, I was thinking more along the lines of WoW fans who know their game is on the outs, since that's the game TOR is directly competing with now.
Sorry, but with a username like this.. I don't care what he says. He's not being taken seriously by me.
He plays Rift now."TO MICHAEL!"
F2P Aion NA, then maybe. I refuse to give NCSoft a dime ever again.
Not touching TOR until a month or so after release. Twitch streams will show you just how badly bugged end game is and how easily stuff is being exploited. You have no clue honestly.
I am sticking with Rift for sure right now.
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It seems fishy to me as well. Many of the negative reviews "sound" almost the same.
I'm enjoying it; I am taking my time and checking things out slow.
The 54 reviews on Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Old-Republic-Pc/dp/B001CWXAP2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1324452470&sr=8-1) have it with 4 out of 5 stars. A lot of those reviews are rather lengthy.
If you honestly think there is such a thing as "objective" in reviews, especially in media, enertainment and art, you need a reality check.
This is all to do with panties being in a bunch or something. IDK. OMGZ I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE STAR WARS FANTASY WORLD WHERE I CAN MARRY GOLD BIKINI PRINCESS, NOT AN MMO SEQUEL TO THE OLD REPUBLIC.
Yes, the general public is retarded, and will complain about most everything in some way...ESPECIALLY in America, where fat greedy people can't be happy with anything. Good lord. I never want to be a game designer. Too much pressure, someone is always raging.
Argh
if there was an impartial list of pros and cons for TOR i bet the cons would be somewhat longer than the pros...
Dont get people who say they cannot trust 'user reviews' but rely on 'proffessional reviews' i mean really? you have heard of affiliate marketing right? Thankgod smoking is good for you as it destroys cancerous cells :P
Oh and whoever said Bioware staff should be ashamed..give them a little leeway..i mean they take orders from EA who at the same time are trying to be all nicey nice with LUCAS..morally i am sure many of the TOR staff are feeling a little bummed but hey being fired is worse than putting out something mediocre and still getitng your check **this is just my opinion not fact**
I am sure there are more happy higher ups at Blizzard than at Bioware this christmas but then blizzard do not have - EPIC SPACE COMBAT! (as seen on gamestops website for the game details of what TOR includes)
Let's be honest here, yes the scores of 0, 1, 2, stuff like that are ridiculous. But in my opinion it's just as ridiculous when I see a bunch of 10's in a row. Seriously? A 10 is basically flawless, exceptional in every aspect. That, SWTOR, is not. But neither is it crap enough to warrant anything under a 4 in my opinion. Personally I give 6 or 7