In my opinion, anyone who gives this game a 0 on metacritic has lost all credibility.
What about the ones giving it a 10?
Yep.
Both sides of that coin are simply full of it far as I'm concerned.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
And on the same note, a 10 means that everything is there, and there really is nothing to critize -- yet I am sure there are fans out there giving out 10s.
I certainly agree the game does not deserve a 0, but it certainly doesn't deserve a 10 either.
Most 0's and 10's are going to be people attempting to sway the tide one way or the other.
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2.1 out of 10 for MW3? I'm not a COD fan at all, never have been but seriously that's just ridiculous, this is agenda not a game review.
Metacritic and MWF3 Anyone who holds any stock in metacritic user reviews needs to read this article.
Users tend to either vote 1 (hated it!) or 10 (loved it!) for a variety of reasons. They're more rants, framed by players' emotions, than reviews; and it's difficult to put a numerical value on your feelings. People who had hoped the game would be a 9+ but only got what they perceive to be a 7 may feel betrayed and hurt, and thus rate the game a 1 in a moment of passionate revenge.
People also want their scores to count as much as they can. In order to have maximum positive effect, a player will give the game a 10, even if he feels a 8.5 is more fitting. Conversely, players who want to see the game's score dip will give it a 1, even if they don't quite think it's the worst game ever, but rather maybe a 7.
And of course you have the fanboy and anti-fanboy outliers.
I don't care what people think about TOR, there is no way it deserves a 0.
Why not?
If somebody paid 60$, played it for a couple of hours, didn't enjoy it at all, found it to be the same boring quest-mill with awkward cut-scenes on every step, why shouldn't he gave it 0. Or do you believe, he should be thinking in terms like "Well I totally dislike the game, but maybe someone else might enjoy it, so I'll give it 6 or 7" ? I rather think that the user reviews should reflect personal subjective opinion on the game, and not personal subjective opinion on what should be the objective opinion.
it doesnt deserve a 0 purley based on the fact it works right out of the gate, unlike most mmo's released over the last 5 years. Your bias is showing like a bright neon light, thanks for coming out.
So is yours. Is there some criteria for rating on Metacritic? Does "the game turns on" have anything to do with how much someone likes/dislikes it? If I hated a game, the fact that it works would make me want to score it lower, not higher.
You know what's hilarious? This fanboi war has now spilled onto metacritic completely. There is a thread on the SWTOR official board rallying support for the game on metacritic because it is being "attacked." And lo and behold, it has risen from like 2.something to 5.0 already.
How far does this my game is better than yours crap have to go? You don't have to convince yourself that the game is the second coming just to play it, and you don't have to demonize it because you don't like it. How about just give it an honest review?
If I were to review it, I would give it an "8." I think that's fair. Why do people have to turn this into some immature fan-war?
There are a few people on there who have attempted to give thorough, honest reviews. A lot of them rate the game anywhere from a 6 to an 8. I'd probably give it a 7 based on the beta weekend. Average game with some nice touches. If I wanted to be snarky, I'd give it a 6.5 because of the limited character creation. Quite a few of the reviewers in the 6-8 range are saying pretty much the things I was thinking while I was playing. The other reviews are worthy of some giggles and popcorn, but most are either rage-fueled or rosy tinted.
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I think I should wait for a free trial before buying this game. It doesn't really scare me that ppl vote 0 for it on Metacritic, but it does worry me that ppl vote 10 just to boost it. It does seem that some ppl (only some) that vote low have fairly valid arguments based on experience and thus it worries me that the high scores pretty much just rant on the "non-likers".
In my opinion, anyone who gives this game a 0 on metacritic has lost all credibility.
What about the ones giving it a 10?
Same IMHO.
I take anything beyond 4-6 seriously (depending on the context).
I like the one post on there where the guy says PvP is horribly unbalanced yet he never played past level 8...... weird since PvP doesn't start until your level 10....
I've beta tested it for 4 months, SWTOR has the most balanced PvP I have ever experienced in a MMO... You can tell a lot of the posts are fictional to try and discredit the game for whatever reason they have..
From my experience with beta and now live I would rate it a solid 8/10
the game is awesome.. let them rage whatever they want to.. that wont change that swtor is indeed, and finally after so many years of waiting, The MMO to rule them all.. :]
If TOR is a 5 then what the fuck does that make every other MMO? Seriously if SWTOR is a five then what does that make games like Guild Wars, WoW and RIFT?
I'd say slightly higher. A lot higher. Except for RIFT.
WoW and Guild Wars though?
They were released in 2004 and 2005.
You have to remember, the gaming landscape back then (especially for MMOs) was very, very different compared to what we see today.
There was a bit of "newness" to them; they were very polished, extremely accessible as MMOs.
Newer games of today who follow those models will never receive higher marks than their predecessors because it really is more of the same.
Why would I give a higher score to a game that's essentialy a copy/paste of a game that came out 8 years ago?
That's me though...
Why would you give WoW a high score when it was just a copy/paste of EQ and other mmo's that came out before it? EverQuest was out at least 5 years before WoW, WoW was over-all a "clone" of EQ... Yet people went nuts over it and made it #1. A mmo comes out today and if it's even kinda like WoW it gets bashed, but then again if it's not WoW enough people will still complain about that too.
Games today can't win tho. A mmo comes out and can be NOTHING like WoW and people still scream and shout "WoW clone!!!! Ripoff, not gonna play this trash!!!!"
To me really, I couldn't really care if a game is a "clone" as long as I find it fun then that's all that matters to me. I do find TOR to be a fun game!
I think I should wait for a free trial before buying this game.
I would highly recommend it. Best way to go really and at that point things will have died down a bit and be a bit more fleshed out. Besides, I wouldn't be surprised if you have to wait long before there is some type of limited trial available.
...and no I'm not implying anything about how the game will fair sub wise by saying that for those of you out there that take everything to heart. Simply referring to the trend in general as of alte in this genre.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
All from people who have never played the game. It's really sad that these people have so little going on in their lives, and so much hate that they have to try so hard to shit on other people's enjoyment like this. They've even going through and negatively flagging any positive reviews.
You know when you post stuff like this, I can't help but think you beleive SWTOR is perfect and after playing it any one would love it.
On topic: Also yea metacritic doesn't mean much, reviews shouldn't matter it only depends on you.
I wouldn't say SWTOR is a waste of money mainly if you aren't burnt out on current gen mmorpgs with like a few "ups" on the basic style.
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P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
I think I should wait for a free trial before buying this game. It doesn't really scare me that ppl vote 0 for it on Metacritic, but it does worry me that ppl vote 10 just to boost it. It does seem that some ppl (only some) that vote low have fairly valid arguments based on experience and thus it worries me that the high scores pretty much just rant on the "non-likers".
In my opinion, anyone who gives this game a 0 on metacritic has lost all credibility.
What about the ones giving it a 10?
I think he, and anyone else who is reasonable would know that a 10 in any game is ridiculous.
1-10 number system is horrid in any case.
how much different is a 7 to an 8? What does that really mean?
The only way a 0 or a 10 might be considered a fair review is if everyone panned/praised the game and there were no differences in opinion. Then that might make one pause.
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I like the one post on there where the guy says PvP is horribly unbalanced yet he never played past level 8...... weird since PvP doesn't start until your level 10...
This is why I still prefer a clear "Thumbs Up" or "Thumbs Down" when reviewing anything in life.
I mean really, what's the difference between a review that says it's a 6/10 and another says it's a 7/10?
It's all meaningless to me.
Overall, did you like the game? Yes or No? Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?
Sometimes, living in a black and white world is all you need to make a decision.
Makes a huge difference for me especially pending on the site that is grading it in that format. I tend to use gamespot a lot and for me most games that they give a 7.0 or higher I tend to rather enjoy. Games below that number tend to go down in entertainment value for me depending on how low their score is. I find more often than not my opinions on games tend to be rather close to theirs. With a few exceptions. I like the rating concept as long as it is explained how they came to their score and the reasons or justifications for said score.
Unfortunately sites that rely too much on user reviews simply suck. Too many haters and fanboys to clog up the ability to get a clear picture for how good or bad the game is. Hell, game sites in general tend to be awful when reviewing mmos because they simply come out with their review way too fast or are inclined to the same "new car smell" tendencies or loyalty to their main mmo that completely clouds their objectivity.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Take a look at that review. It's the only review that person has done and it reads like something off the back of the box! They're not even trying to hide it..
Rating a game with a 0 is about the same as rating a game with a 10.
0 = You absolutely hated everything about it. Definitely not your sort of game. Perhaps you already had preconceptions about the game and blindly rated 0, or you just didn't like it at all, you still rated 0 likely over first impressions.
10 = You absolutely loved it. Perhaps you already had preconceptions about the game and blindly rated 10, perhaps you just really enjoyed it. Doesn't matter, you still rated 10 likely over first impressions.
I'd give more stock to the reviewers that voted between 2 and 8, and there are a lot who voted below 6. Some of those will have actually thought their scores out. You just look for those and read.
No matter how you look at it, this game does have a lot of flaws that shouldn't exist considering their budget and the length of time spent developing it. Not just bugs, but actual game issues, be it visually or mechanically. Bugs are fine, but some segments of TOR are just mind numbing in my honest opinion. It feels like something that should have been made about 5+ years ago.
Personally I'd give it a 6. It does deserve some merit, but the game is definitely not there yet.
My honest advice to people is to wait half a year or so and see what improvements are made. That's usually when games become worthwhile. By then TOR may have had many improvements... or not. We'll see.
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Originally posted by UsualSuspect Looks like EA/Bioware are sending in their forum fiends to boost the results a bit: http://www.metacritic.com/user/Arianolese Take a look at that review. It's the only review that person has done and it reads like something off the back of the box! They're not even trying to hide it..
Look at the review count for some of the '0' reviews. They have 1 review, and it's for SWToR.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
... This is because anyone giving a fair review is giving it a 7 or 8 and all the haters are giving it a 0 on multiple accounts. It skews the results a bit. I don't care what people think about TOR, there is no way it deserves a 0. This isn't Big Rigs Over The Road Racing we're talking about here...
I see you did not get the point. Probably my bad as I should bold only that specific part: based on 228 Ratings
Take a look at that review. It's the only review that person has done and it reads like something off the back of the box! They're not even trying to hide it..
lol. That didn't make me want to play the game, but it did make me feel like giving the world a hug.
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Yep.
Both sides of that coin are simply full of it far as I'm concerned.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Most 0's and 10's are going to be people attempting to sway the tide one way or the other.
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Metacritic and MWF3 Anyone who holds any stock in metacritic user reviews needs to read this article.
Users tend to either vote 1 (hated it!) or 10 (loved it!) for a variety of reasons. They're more rants, framed by players' emotions, than reviews; and it's difficult to put a numerical value on your feelings. People who had hoped the game would be a 9+ but only got what they perceive to be a 7 may feel betrayed and hurt, and thus rate the game a 1 in a moment of passionate revenge.
People also want their scores to count as much as they can. In order to have maximum positive effect, a player will give the game a 10, even if he feels a 8.5 is more fitting. Conversely, players who want to see the game's score dip will give it a 1, even if they don't quite think it's the worst game ever, but rather maybe a 7.
And of course you have the fanboy and anti-fanboy outliers.
So is yours. Is there some criteria for rating on Metacritic? Does "the game turns on" have anything to do with how much someone likes/dislikes it? If I hated a game, the fact that it works would make me want to score it lower, not higher.
There are a few people on there who have attempted to give thorough, honest reviews. A lot of them rate the game anywhere from a 6 to an 8. I'd probably give it a 7 based on the beta weekend. Average game with some nice touches. If I wanted to be snarky, I'd give it a 6.5 because of the limited character creation. Quite a few of the reviewers in the 6-8 range are saying pretty much the things I was thinking while I was playing. The other reviews are worthy of some giggles and popcorn, but most are either rage-fueled or rosy tinted.
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This is why I still prefer a clear "Thumbs Up" or "Thumbs Down" when reviewing anything in life.
I mean really, what's the difference between a review that says it's a 6/10 and another says it's a 7/10?
It's all meaningless to me.
Overall, did you like the game? Yes or No? Thumbs Up or Thumbs Down?
Sometimes, living in a black and white world is all you need to make a decision.
Same IMHO.
I take anything beyond 4-6 seriously (depending on the context).
I don't care about innovation I care about fun.
I like the one post on there where the guy says PvP is horribly unbalanced yet he never played past level 8...... weird since PvP doesn't start until your level 10....
I've beta tested it for 4 months, SWTOR has the most balanced PvP I have ever experienced in a MMO... You can tell a lot of the posts are fictional to try and discredit the game for whatever reason they have..
From my experience with beta and now live I would rate it a solid 8/10
the game is awesome.. let them rage whatever they want to.. that wont change that swtor is indeed, and finally after so many years of waiting, The MMO to rule them all.. :]
Why would you give WoW a high score when it was just a copy/paste of EQ and other mmo's that came out before it? EverQuest was out at least 5 years before WoW, WoW was over-all a "clone" of EQ... Yet people went nuts over it and made it #1. A mmo comes out today and if it's even kinda like WoW it gets bashed, but then again if it's not WoW enough people will still complain about that too.
Games today can't win tho. A mmo comes out and can be NOTHING like WoW and people still scream and shout "WoW clone!!!! Ripoff, not gonna play this trash!!!!"
To me really, I couldn't really care if a game is a "clone" as long as I find it fun then that's all that matters to me. I do find TOR to be a fun game!
Lets all sit down and face the truth
Reviews are never honest
Fan-bois going to put a 10
Haters going to put a 0
Professionals going to mask a 5- if they dislike and a 8 if they like so they do not give the forbidden 10 or 0
Reviews are purely subjective
Surprisingly, isnt it?
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1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
You know when you post stuff like this, I can't help but think you beleive SWTOR is perfect and after playing it any one would love it.
On topic: Also yea metacritic doesn't mean much, reviews shouldn't matter it only depends on you.
I wouldn't say SWTOR is a waste of money mainly if you aren't burnt out on current gen mmorpgs with like a few "ups" on the basic style.
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I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
I think he, and anyone else who is reasonable would know that a 10 in any game is ridiculous.
1-10 number system is horrid in any case.
how much different is a 7 to an 8? What does that really mean?
The only way a 0 or a 10 might be considered a fair review is if everyone panned/praised the game and there were no differences in opinion. Then that might make one pause.
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I think these guys reflect your average metacritic user reviewer:
Haaaaated it!!!
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Makes a huge difference for me especially pending on the site that is grading it in that format. I tend to use gamespot a lot and for me most games that they give a 7.0 or higher I tend to rather enjoy. Games below that number tend to go down in entertainment value for me depending on how low their score is. I find more often than not my opinions on games tend to be rather close to theirs. With a few exceptions. I like the rating concept as long as it is explained how they came to their score and the reasons or justifications for said score.
Unfortunately sites that rely too much on user reviews simply suck. Too many haters and fanboys to clog up the ability to get a clear picture for how good or bad the game is. Hell, game sites in general tend to be awful when reviewing mmos because they simply come out with their review way too fast or are inclined to the same "new car smell" tendencies or loyalty to their main mmo that completely clouds their objectivity.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Thumbs up for that post.
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LOL I love the user who gives it a 10 (indicating perfection) and says it's just been released
and still needs a lot of work. Then the very next one also gives it a 10 and then says it's not perfect.
So I'd say none of those, or hardly any, are worth spit.
i'll be honest and say that i had a very negative feeling about SWTOR for a long time, that is until i played it myself.
This mmo is more then fine and making her 1st baby steps into the big world and she does it very very good.
Like wine an mmo needs to ripe, and so does SWTOR, but it gets way to many negatives from people that dont even know what they are talking about.
After playing many mmo's in the past 15 years this one wins best launched mmo of the decade.
Im having alot of fun already altough ive seen it all before SWTOR does a good job keeping the SW vibe in line.
A +8 from me for SWTOR and that says alot from some1 who was very very negative about it.
Looks like EA/Bioware are sending in their forum fiends to boost the results a bit:
http://www.metacritic.com/user/Arianolese
Take a look at that review. It's the only review that person has done and it reads like something off the back of the box! They're not even trying to hide it..
Rating a game with a 0 is about the same as rating a game with a 10.
0 = You absolutely hated everything about it. Definitely not your sort of game. Perhaps you already had preconceptions about the game and blindly rated 0, or you just didn't like it at all, you still rated 0 likely over first impressions.
10 = You absolutely loved it. Perhaps you already had preconceptions about the game and blindly rated 10, perhaps you just really enjoyed it. Doesn't matter, you still rated 10 likely over first impressions.
I'd give more stock to the reviewers that voted between 2 and 8, and there are a lot who voted below 6. Some of those will have actually thought their scores out. You just look for those and read.
No matter how you look at it, this game does have a lot of flaws that shouldn't exist considering their budget and the length of time spent developing it. Not just bugs, but actual game issues, be it visually or mechanically. Bugs are fine, but some segments of TOR are just mind numbing in my honest opinion. It feels like something that should have been made about 5+ years ago.
Personally I'd give it a 6. It does deserve some merit, but the game is definitely not there yet.
My honest advice to people is to wait half a year or so and see what improvements are made. That's usually when games become worthwhile. By then TOR may have had many improvements... or not. We'll see.
MMO's played: Ragnarok Online (For years), WoW (for a few weeks only), Guild Wars, Lineage 2, Eve, Allods, Shattered Galaxy, 9 Dragons, City of Heroes, City of Villains, Star Trek Online (Got someone ELSE to pay for it), Champions Online (Someone else paid), Dofus, Dragonica, LOTRO, DDO and more... A LOT more. I've played good AND bad. The bad didn't last long. :P
Look at the review count for some of the '0' reviews. They have 1 review, and it's for SWToR.
I can not remember winning or losing a single debate on the internet.
This is because anyone giving a fair review is giving it a 7 or 8 and all the haters are giving it a 0 on multiple accounts. It skews the results a bit.
I don't care what people think about TOR, there is no way it deserves a 0. This isn't Big Rigs Over The Road Racing we're talking about here...
I see you did not get the point. Probably my bad as I should bold only that specific part: based on 228 Ratings
228 votes is completely meaningless sample.
lol. That didn't make me want to play the game, but it did make me feel like giving the world a hug.