Seriously,if you dont like ToR then i would recommend quiting the mmo gaming industry.This obviously is my point of view but i really think that for now this is the most complete mmo out there and if you find yourself not liking it than maybe its time for you to rethink the type of game you want,you`ll probably find out that mmos arent for you.
I laughed pretty hard at this. With Archage, TSW, GW2 there is more then enough games coming out that for us Non-TORs to play.
GW2 and TSW both being 100% themeparks. Archeage, I'm not sure, but seems like even that might be more themepark than sandbox. Not to mention Blade&Soul and Tera, also coming soonish, and also themeparks. The reasons people don't like TOR, for the most part, have nothing to do with it being a themepark.
I hope TOR becomes a haven for people like this so that I don't have to encounter these kind of opinions in other MMOs that I will be playing... honestly.
It's an insult to development teams that actualy try to innovate and improve the genre...
Yet you still come over here voluntarily and rage over different opinions. Poor soul.
For one, coming from 'deeper' MMO's, i can understand the feeling some players have with the lack of innovation, diverse character development and social tools/interaction.
It is a very isolated game which can be and is often played as a single player RPG with chat.
HOWEVER...
...It is also the most polished release since MMOs began. Did i just say that? Yes, as i remember them all and they were shocking and took years to become playable. Even the big one was screwed on release. This raises the bar miles high.
It is innovative in that it really has a story, a proper mmoRPG. So other games are MMO more than RPG, this is vice-versa. For once, the devs are making the content and i'm not relying on other players.
Coming from an SWG past, i loved the sandbox tools that were available for building cities, shops, etc, but i am also aware of the time this all took and the sheer boredom many people had by not actually having any content.
Now believe me, they will add more choices in time, just as EVERY MMO ever made has, but the fact that it can already be considered complete at release is an achievement.
I'm older than i was back then, i'm no longer at Uni and i work sometimes late. It is a nice feeling being able to log on and being able to jump into a story rich world and not having to spend hours trying to make up something to do.
Long-term game? Not really, 6 months - 1 year, as i'm not grinding and skipping story like most of the twats (who moan that it's fast, kids eh). But then, new additions, plus expansion already in the works, they are aware of the shortfalls, including space, so i will be shocked if they don't add things to make me stay longer.
I hope TOR becomes a haven for people like this so that I don't have to encounter these kind of opinions in other MMOs that I will be playing... honestly.
It's an insult to development teams that actualy try to innovate and improve the genre...
Yet you still come over here voluntarily and rage over different opinions. Poor soul.
I'm not that poor actualy. I like sociology and gaming... MMO launches and forums like this are perfect to combine both my interests.
Keep on thinking you know what every poster is like though... it creates a safety buffer around your head that reflects all the nastyness of actualy trying to visualize reality.
What I will say is, there wont be ever any company putting money on the sandbox title most ppl rave about on these forums there will never be full story sandbox with do everything you want.
Just cause majority of ppl dont like that,.gone are the times of spending 6 months in a game to achieve something, this is the direction mmos are going and I dont really mind. Im no longer a kid that could play UO everyday for about 10h and im not looking for a second job just to have fun and socialize with friends that feel the same.
I agree for many of us those days are long gone, the last game I tried it with was Darkfall which is a great game but many of the guys whining for a sandbox will slag it down because of the exact reasons you state. Most of thos guys played UO and SWG and want those days back again just they haven't accepted that they've grown up.
Darkfall is a great game but after I'd got a bunch of my stats to lvl 100 and I looked at myself and thought "WTF are you doing?". Those games are still there it's just now I prefer to have a Cuban cigar and a glass of malt Scotch than sit bashing a keyboard and running macros like a zombie for 12 hrs so that I can PWN some 12 year old kid and get his mother mad at me.
And I do miss those days dearly ..... though I'm not sure why!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Originally posted by Ayupan23.... Oh, and don't speak for Star Wars fans as you know nothing of what 'we' think.
Being that I am a massive Star Wars fan and I have seen the reaction to SWTOR by SW fans who arent hardcore MMO'ers in forums and community groups outside the scope of MMO specialisation I can tell you that your opinion does not match the majority.
Ive also played enough of the game to know its not really for me and that is fine, but dont pretend anyone who is a star wars fan will love this game because they dont and many more wont.
I will keep playing SWTOR because I really want to like it but at this point I feel that when my box time runs out I think my SWTOR journey will be over.
What I will say is, there wont be ever any company putting money on the sandbox title most ppl rave about on these forums there will never be full story sandbox with do everything you want.
Just cause majority of ppl dont like that,.gone are the times of spending 6 months in a game to achieve something, this is the direction mmos are going and I dont really mind. Im no longer a kid that could play UO everyday for about 10h and im not looking for a second job just to have fun and socialize with friends that feel the same.
I agree for many of us those days are long gone, the last game I tried it with was Darkfall which is a great game but many of the guys whining for a sandbox will slag it down because of the exact reasons you state. Most of thos guys played UO and SWG and want those days back again just they haven't accepted that they've grown up.
Darkfall is a great game but after I'd got a bunch of my stats to lvl 100 and I looked at myself and thought "WTF are you doing?". Those games are still there it's just now I prefer to have a Cuban cigar and a glass of malt Scotch than sit bashing a keyboard and running macros like a zombie for 12 hrs so that I can PWN some 12 year old kid and get his mother mad at me.
And I do miss those days dearly ..... though I'm not sure why!
No pun or insult intended but you're a geek. It's in your blood.
I hope TOR becomes a haven for people like this so that I don't have to encounter these kind of opinions in other MMOs that I will be playing... honestly.
It's an insult to development teams that actualy try to innovate and improve the genre...
Yet you still come over here voluntarily and rage over different opinions. Poor soul.
I'm not that poor actualy. I like sociology and gaming... MMO launches and forums like this are perfect to combine both my interests.
Keep on thinking you know what every poster is like though... it creates a safety buffer around your head that reflects all the nastyness of actualy trying to visualize reality.
So you're jsut a complainer than? Or why do you come in a place you dislike so much?
What I will say is, there wont be ever any company putting money on the sandbox title most ppl rave about on these forums there will never be full story sandbox with do everything you want.
Just cause majority of ppl dont like that,.gone are the times of spending 6 months in a game to achieve something, this is the direction mmos are going and I dont really mind. Im no longer a kid that could play UO everyday for about 10h and im not looking for a second job just to have fun and socialize with friends that feel the same.
I agree for many of us those days are long gone, the last game I tried it with was Darkfall which is a great game but many of the guys whining for a sandbox will slag it down because of the exact reasons you state. Most of thos guys played UO and SWG and want those days back again just they haven't accepted that they've grown up.
Darkfall is a great game but after I'd got a bunch of my stats to lvl 100 and I looked at myself and thought "WTF are you doing?". Those games are still there it's just now I prefer to have a Cuban cigar and a glass of malt Scotch than sit bashing a keyboard and running macros like a zombie for 12 hrs so that I can PWN some 12 year old kid and get his mother mad at me.
And I do miss those days dearly ..... though I'm not sure why!
No pun or insult intended but you're a geek. It's in your blood.
None taken there are people that think I need therapy because I go to Gary Numan concerts and dress up like him, then again there are people that think anyone playing an MMORPG is either insane or a pervert!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
I hope TOR becomes a haven for people like this so that I don't have to encounter these kind of opinions in other MMOs that I will be playing... honestly.
It's an insult to development teams that actualy try to innovate and improve the genre...
Yet you still come over here voluntarily and rage over different opinions. Poor soul.
I'm not that poor actualy. I like sociology and gaming... MMO launches and forums like this are perfect to combine both my interests.
Keep on thinking you know what every poster is like though... it creates a safety buffer around your head that reflects all the nastyness of actualy trying to visualize reality.
So you're jsut a complainer than? Or why do you come in a place you dislike so much?
Eh?.. I don't dislike the forum.. I dislike the game... I'm in ze forum.. not in ze game...
What I will say is, there wont be ever any company putting money on the sandbox title most ppl rave about on these forums there will never be full story sandbox with do everything you want.
Just cause majority of ppl dont like that,.gone are the times of spending 6 months in a game to achieve something, this is the direction mmos are going and I dont really mind. Im no longer a kid that could play UO everyday for about 10h and im not looking for a second job just to have fun and socialize with friends that feel the same.
I agree for many of us those days are long gone, the last game I tried it with was Darkfall which is a great game but many of the guys whining for a sandbox will slag it down because of the exact reasons you state. Most of thos guys played UO and SWG and want those days back again just they haven't accepted that they've grown up.
Darkfall is a great game but after I'd got a bunch of my stats to lvl 100 and I looked at myself and thought "WTF are you doing?". Those games are still there it's just now I prefer to have a Cuban cigar and a glass of malt Scotch than sit bashing a keyboard and running macros like a zombie for 12 hrs so that I can PWN some 12 year old kid and get his mother mad at me.
And I do miss those days dearly ..... though I'm not sure why!
I know exactly what you mean, and sometimes because most of us from back in 1999 still play, we have some nostalgia moments from UO, EQ, SWG and even L2, when we used to play and grind endless hours a day, but I think that's it really we are looking at it with rose coloured glasses, if I go back to any of these games its just not the same, and I came to realize it were the people at the time that made that game good.
Spending 10h non stop grinding mobs was only good cause of the ppl doing it, us talking on vent etc... And now 10 years on some of them have kids and a busy life, I also work 8h a day and sometimes have to work pretty late, I want to get home and have fun I dont have time to play 10h a day anymore, I dont even mind raiding once in a while since it is quite fun. But I dont want to wait to have fun, I already have lots of challenges daily with deadlines and delivery dates that challenge me enough to keep me entertained for the next 20 years.
And this game really provides what I want an Epic story line, fun content from the get go, and the chance to play with friends. And its my favorite Universe! I couldnt ask for more really (actually I can and they will probably deliver ).
Seriously,if you dont like ToR then i would recommend quiting the mmo gaming industry.This obviously is my point of view but i really think that for now this is the most complete mmo out there and if you find yourself not liking it than maybe its time for you to rethink the type of game you want,you`ll probably find out that mmos arent for you.
Could be the best themepark game out but definatly not the best mmorpg, if all you have ever played is themepark WoW games then yes this is the holy grail of themeparks...
"It would be awesome if you could duel your companion. Then you could solo pvp".--Thanes
Originally posted by rav3n2 What I will say is, there wont be ever any company putting money on the sandbox title most ppl rave about on these forums there will never be full story sandbox with do everything you want.
Just cause majority of ppl dont like that,.gone are the times of spending 6 months in a game to achieve something, this is the direction mmos are going and I dont really mind. Im no longer a kid that could play UO everyday for about 10h and im not looking for a second job just to have fun and socialize with friends that feel the same.
I agree for many of us those days are long gone, the last game I tried it with was Darkfall which is a great game but many of the guys whining for a sandbox will slag it down because of the exact reasons you state. Most of thos guys played UO and SWG and want those days back again just they haven't accepted that they've grown up. Darkfall is a great game but after I'd got a bunch of my stats to lvl 100 and I looked at myself and thought "WTF are you doing?". Those games are still there it's just now I prefer to have a Cuban cigar and a glass of malt Scotch than sit bashing a keyboard and running macros like a zombie for 12 hrs so that I can PWN some 12 year old kid and get his mother mad at me. And I do miss those days dearly ..... though I'm not sure why!
Mostly the reason why a sandbox is bad are the same for a bad themepark, they are shallow and boring. The excuse all the sandbox are bad but my sandbox is awesome is pretty ridiculous in your case. Clearly Swtor is an other super shallow game, the story was supposed to help but it didn't, the gameplay had to follow the concept behind the story to give it some weight but it didn't. That's exactly what you call superficial isn't it? Now the fact some people don't mind playing shallow games is an other story.
What I will say is, there wont be ever any company putting money on the sandbox title most ppl rave about on these forums there will never be full story sandbox with do everything you want.
Just cause majority of ppl dont like that,.gone are the times of spending 6 months in a game to achieve something, this is the direction mmos are going and I dont really mind. Im no longer a kid that could play UO everyday for about 10h and im not looking for a second job just to have fun and socialize with friends that feel the same.
I agree for many of us those days are long gone, the last game I tried it with was Darkfall which is a great game but many of the guys whining for a sandbox will slag it down because of the exact reasons you state. Most of thos guys played UO and SWG and want those days back again just they haven't accepted that they've grown up.
Darkfall is a great game but after I'd got a bunch of my stats to lvl 100 and I looked at myself and thought "WTF are you doing?". Those games are still there it's just now I prefer to have a Cuban cigar and a glass of malt Scotch than sit bashing a keyboard and running macros like a zombie for 12 hrs so that I can PWN some 12 year old kid and get his mother mad at me.
And I do miss those days dearly ..... though I'm not sure why!
Mostly the reason why a sandbox is bad are the same for a bad themepark, they are shallow and boring. The excuse all the sandbox are bad but my sandbox is awesome is pretty ridiculous in your case. Clearly Swtor is an other super shallow game, the story was supposed to help but it didn't, the gameplay had to follow the concept behind the story to giveit some weight but it didn't. Thats exactly what you call supperficial isn't it? Now the fact some poeple don't mind playing shalow games is an other story.
I wish ppl stopped treating their opinions as fact
I hope TOR becomes a haven for people like this so that I don't have to encounter these kind of opinions in other MMOs that I will be playing... honestly.
It's an insult to development teams that actualy try to innovate and improve the genre...
Yet you still come over here voluntarily and rage over different opinions. Poor soul.
I'm not that poor actualy. I like sociology and gaming... MMO launches and forums like this are perfect to combine both my interests.
Keep on thinking you know what every poster is like though... it creates a safety buffer around your head that reflects all the nastyness of actualy trying to visualize reality.
So you're jsut a complainer than? Or why do you come in a place you dislike so much?
Eh?.. I don't dislike the forum.. I dislike the game... I'm in ze forum.. not in ze game...
Observations are not always complaints
You dislilke people posting here (as stated, go check what you wrote if you forgot already) and wish they would play SW and stay there.
Let me remind you it's people who are forming communities like forums, games, etc. Without people, forums and MMOs are dead and meaningless and as such weren't the point of my previous statements.
Originally posted by rav3n2 Originally posted by Agricola1
Originally posted by rav3n2 What I will say is, there wont be ever any company putting money on the sandbox title most ppl rave about on these forums there will never be full story sandbox with do everything you want.
Just cause majority of ppl dont like that,.gone are the times of spending 6 months in a game to achieve something, this is the direction mmos are going and I dont really mind. Im no longer a kid that could play UO everyday for about 10h and im not looking for a second job just to have fun and socialize with friends that feel the same.
I agree for many of us those days are long gone, the last game I tried it with was Darkfall which is a great game but many of the guys whining for a sandbox will slag it down because of the exact reasons you state. Most of thos guys played UO and SWG and want those days back again just they haven't accepted that they've grown up. Darkfall is a great game but after I'd got a bunch of my stats to lvl 100 and I looked at myself and thought "WTF are you doing?". Those games are still there it's just now I prefer to have a Cuban cigar and a glass of malt Scotch than sit bashing a keyboard and running macros like a zombie for 12 hrs so that I can PWN some 12 year old kid and get his mother mad at me. And I do miss those days dearly ..... though I'm not sure why! I know exactly what you mean, and sometimes because most of us from back in 1999 still play, we have some nostalgia moments from UO, EQ, SWG and even L2, when we used to play and grind endless hours a day, but I think that's it really we are looking at it with rose coloured glasses, if I go back to any of these games its just not the same, and I came to realize it were the people at the time that made that game good. Spending 10h non stop grinding mobs was only good cause of the ppl doing it, us talking on vent etc... And now 10 years on some of them have kids and a busy life, I also work 8h a day and sometimes have to work pretty late, I want to get home and have fun I dont have time to play 10h a day anymore, I dont even mind raiding once in a while since it is quite fun. But I dont want to wait to have fun, I already have lots of challenges daily with deadlines and delivery dates that challenge me enough to keep me entertained for the next 20 years. And this game really provides what I want an Epic story line, fun content from the get go, and the chance to play with friends. And its my favorite Universe! I couldnt ask for more really (actually I can and they will probably deliver ).
Agreed 100%. And hopefully BioWare don't succumb to the demands of the lifeless zombies who play 15hrs a day, then change the game to the detriment of everyone else - aka every other MMOs fate. Some guy is already moaning he is about to hit level 50, as he only stops playing to sleep and crap, even then probably still has his headset on.
What I will say is, there wont be ever any company putting money on the sandbox title most ppl rave about on these forums there will never be full story sandbox with do everything you want.
Just cause majority of ppl dont like that,.gone are the times of spending 6 months in a game to achieve something, this is the direction mmos are going and I dont really mind. Im no longer a kid that could play UO everyday for about 10h and im not looking for a second job just to have fun and socialize with friends that feel the same.
I agree for many of us those days are long gone, the last game I tried it with was Darkfall which is a great game but many of the guys whining for a sandbox will slag it down because of the exact reasons you state. Most of thos guys played UO and SWG and want those days back again just they haven't accepted that they've grown up.
Darkfall is a great game but after I'd got a bunch of my stats to lvl 100 and I looked at myself and thought "WTF are you doing?". Those games are still there it's just now I prefer to have a Cuban cigar and a glass of malt Scotch than sit bashing a keyboard and running macros like a zombie for 12 hrs so that I can PWN some 12 year old kid and get his mother mad at me.
And I do miss those days dearly ..... though I'm not sure why!
Mostly the reason why a sandbox is bad are the same for a bad themepark, they are shallow and boring. The excuse all the sandbox are bad but my sandbox is awesome is pretty ridiculous in your case. Clearly Swtor is an other super shallow game, the story was supposed to help but it didn't, the gameplay had to follow the concept behind the story to giveit some weight but it didn't. Thats exactly what you call supperficial isn't it? Now the fact some poeple don't mind playing shalow games is an other story.
I wish ppl stopped treating their opinions as fact
Usually people that do that use an argumentation, they don't throw half hidden insults and run away.
Seriously,if you dont like ToR then i would recommend quiting the mmo gaming industry.This obviously is my point of view but i really think that for now this is the most complete mmo out there and if you find yourself not liking it than maybe its time for you to rethink the type of game you want,you`ll probably find out that mmos arent for you.
Or how about you learn to not tunnel vision....?
P.S. for the love of god, please put a space after your commas and periods I hate to be grammar police because I have terrible grammar myself, but atleast put a damn space...
Seriously,if you dont like ToR then i would recommend quiting the mmo gaming industry.This obviously is my point of view but i really think that for now this is the most complete mmo out there and if you find yourself not liking it than maybe its time for you to rethink the type of game you want,you`ll probably find out that mmos arent for you.
It isn't even an MMO!!!... geezz...
You should carry on playing single player games like TOR and stay away from MMO's....
What I will say is, there wont be ever any company putting money on the sandbox title most ppl rave about on these forums there will never be full story sandbox with do everything you want.
Just cause majority of ppl dont like that,.gone are the times of spending 6 months in a game to achieve something, this is the direction mmos are going and I dont really mind. Im no longer a kid that could play UO everyday for about 10h and im not looking for a second job just to have fun and socialize with friends that feel the same.
I agree for many of us those days are long gone, the last game I tried it with was Darkfall which is a great game but many of the guys whining for a sandbox will slag it down because of the exact reasons you state. Most of thos guys played UO and SWG and want those days back again just they haven't accepted that they've grown up.
Darkfall is a great game but after I'd got a bunch of my stats to lvl 100 and I looked at myself and thought "WTF are you doing?". Those games are still there it's just now I prefer to have a Cuban cigar and a glass of malt Scotch than sit bashing a keyboard and running macros like a zombie for 12 hrs so that I can PWN some 12 year old kid and get his mother mad at me.
And I do miss those days dearly ..... though I'm not sure why!
Mostly the reason why a sandbox is bad are the same for a bad themepark, they are shallow and boring. The excuse all the sandbox are bad but my sandbox is awesome is pretty ridiculous in your case. Clearly Swtor is an other super shallow game, the story was supposed to help but it didn't, the gameplay had to follow the concept behind the story to giveit some weight but it didn't. Thats exactly what you call supperficial isn't it? Now the fact some poeple don't mind playing shalow games is an other story.
I wish ppl stopped treating their opinions as fact
Usually people that do that use an argumentation, they don't throw half hidden insults and run away.
Not nothing else to add really I mean:
"Clearly Swtor is an other super shallow game" - opinion used as fact, I doubt you played the game tbh.
"the story was supposed to help but it didn't" - again opinion lots of ppl have said that the story is awesome, so no your wrong its your opinion not a fact.
"Now the fact some poeple don't mind playing shalow games is an other story" - again your opinion even clearly labeling it as fact.
These are all your not fact the same way what I state about this game is MY opinion. I rest my case.
Originally posted by rav3n2 What I will say is, there wont be ever any company putting money on the sandbox title most ppl rave about on these forums there will never be full story sandbox with do everything you want.
Just cause majority of ppl dont like that,.gone are the times of spending 6 months in a game to achieve something, this is the direction mmos are going and I dont really mind. Im no longer a kid that could play UO everyday for about 10h and im not looking for a second job just to have fun and socialize with friends that feel the same.
I agree for many of us those days are long gone, the last game I tried it with was Darkfall which is a great game but many of the guys whining for a sandbox will slag it down because of the exact reasons you state. Most of thos guys played UO and SWG and want those days back again just they haven't accepted that they've grown up. Darkfall is a great game but after I'd got a bunch of my stats to lvl 100 and I looked at myself and thought "WTF are you doing?". Those games are still there it's just now I prefer to have a Cuban cigar and a glass of malt Scotch than sit bashing a keyboard and running macros like a zombie for 12 hrs so that I can PWN some 12 year old kid and get his mother mad at me. And I do miss those days dearly ..... though I'm not sure why!
I know exactly what you mean, and sometimes because most of us from back in 1999 still play, we have some nostalgia moments from UO, EQ, SWG and even L2, when we used to play and grind endless hours a day, but I think that's it really we are looking at it with rose coloured glasses, if I go back to any of these games its just not the same, and I came to realize it were the people at the time that made that game good. Spending 10h non stop grinding mobs was only good cause of the ppl doing it, us talking on vent etc... And now 10 years on some of them have kids and a busy life, I also work 8h a day and sometimes have to work pretty late, I want to get home and have fun I dont have time to play 10h a day anymore, I dont even mind raiding once in a while since it is quite fun. But I dont want to wait to have fun, I already have lots of challenges daily with deadlines and delivery dates that challenge me enough to keep me entertained for the next 20 years. And this game really provides what I want an Epic story line, fun content from the get go, and the chance to play with friends. And its my favorite Universe! I couldnt ask for more really (actually I can and they will probably deliver ).
Agreed 100%. And hopefully BioWare don't succumb to the demands of the lifeless zombies who play 15hrs a day, then change the game to the detriment of everyone else - aka every other MMOs fate. Some guy is already moaning he is about to hit level 50, as he only stops playing to sleep and crap, even then probably still has his headset on.
I'm from those days too and not a second i feel the nostalgia of the grind. I always asked for the removal of it, and still do it. Grinding is one of the stupidest route the mmo genre could have went on, also its pretty clear dev teams used that "feature" to have you play longer and more often, as a "drug dispenser". Games became shallow because of this kind of attitude from the dev that stopped doing role playing game, but doing cash cows. Games like Uo proved the genre can go without such a grind and do very well. Why do you people always have to put an etiquette on things, never sandbox meant grinding, or if it did its only in your mind. In fact the grind as a "feature" was started with EQ since it used the endless level model, and became a norm with L2. Sandbox like UO are level less and class less. Pretty much all the skill could be maxed in few days or weeks, only taming and provocation need a grind in UO. Not the same as the EQ or L2 model where every class needed years to be grinded, even today they probably raise the max level in those games every so much months. It seam you kind of mix thing, yes sandbox need a bit more dedication and play time and this was a critique made on UO, but it doesn't mean dev team cannot come today with a solution for this. I think DF proved to all that if they don't want a solution its because they want your money, its pretty obvious.
What I will say is, there wont be ever any company putting money on the sandbox title most ppl rave about on these forums there will never be full story sandbox with do everything you want.
Just cause majority of ppl dont like that,.gone are the times of spending 6 months in a game to achieve something, this is the direction mmos are going and I dont really mind. Im no longer a kid that could play UO everyday for about 10h and im not looking for a second job just to have fun and socialize with friends that feel the same.
I agree for many of us those days are long gone, the last game I tried it with was Darkfall which is a great game but many of the guys whining for a sandbox will slag it down because of the exact reasons you state. Most of thos guys played UO and SWG and want those days back again just they haven't accepted that they've grown up.
Darkfall is a great game but after I'd got a bunch of my stats to lvl 100 and I looked at myself and thought "WTF are you doing?". Those games are still there it's just now I prefer to have a Cuban cigar and a glass of malt Scotch than sit bashing a keyboard and running macros like a zombie for 12 hrs so that I can PWN some 12 year old kid and get his mother mad at me.
And I do miss those days dearly ..... though I'm not sure why!
Mostly the reason why a sandbox is bad are the same for a bad themepark, they are shallow and boring. The excuse all the sandbox are bad but my sandbox is awesome is pretty ridiculous in your case. Clearly Swtor is an other super shallow game, the story was supposed to help but it didn't, the gameplay had to follow the concept behind the story to giveit some weight but it didn't. Thats exactly what you call supperficial isn't it? Now the fact some poeple don't mind playing shalow games is an other story.
I wish ppl stopped treating their opinions as fact
Usually people that do that use an argumentation, they don't throw half hidden insults and run away.
Not nothing else to add really I mean:
"Clearly Swtor is an other super shallow game" - opinion used as fact, I doubt you played the game tbh.
"the story was supposed to help but it didn't" - again opinion lots of ppl have said that the story is awesome, so no your wrong its your opinion not a fact.
"Now the fact some poeple don't mind playing shalow games is an other story" - again your opinion even clearly labeling it as fact.
These are all your not fact the same way what I state about this game is MY opinion. I rest my case.
My argumentation is pretty damn simple, if you weren't so focused on cutting each sentence, but rather try to read them entirely you would understand it.
They made a story but not a single aspect of the story is present in gameplay. Smuggler cannot pass good from evil to light side, need more example? i don't think it need more, because everyone can understand this argumentation, its all over the net. This is why the game have no deepness. If the story elements went deeper into the game and could be found in the gameplay i'm pretty sure the game wouldn't be trashed today, not by me at least. But since the entire game keep at the surface since it doesn't go beyond the appearance of the story, i call it shallow. But feel free to disagree.
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I laughed pretty hard at this. With Archage, TSW, GW2 there is more then enough games coming out that for us Non-TORs to play.GW2 and TSW both being 100% themeparks. Archeage, I'm not sure, but seems like even that might be more themepark than sandbox. Not to mention Blade&Soul and Tera, also coming soonish, and also themeparks. The reasons people don't like TOR, for the most part, have nothing to do with it being a themepark.
..never mind an MMO (LOL).
Spot onYet you still come over here voluntarily and rage over different opinions. Poor soul.
I can understand both sides of this argument.
For one, coming from 'deeper' MMO's, i can understand the feeling some players have with the lack of innovation, diverse character development and social tools/interaction.
It is a very isolated game which can be and is often played as a single player RPG with chat.
HOWEVER...
...It is also the most polished release since MMOs began. Did i just say that? Yes, as i remember them all and they were shocking and took years to become playable. Even the big one was screwed on release. This raises the bar miles high.
It is innovative in that it really has a story, a proper mmoRPG. So other games are MMO more than RPG, this is vice-versa. For once, the devs are making the content and i'm not relying on other players.
Coming from an SWG past, i loved the sandbox tools that were available for building cities, shops, etc, but i am also aware of the time this all took and the sheer boredom many people had by not actually having any content.
Now believe me, they will add more choices in time, just as EVERY MMO ever made has, but the fact that it can already be considered complete at release is an achievement.
I'm older than i was back then, i'm no longer at Uni and i work sometimes late. It is a nice feeling being able to log on and being able to jump into a story rich world and not having to spend hours trying to make up something to do.
Long-term game? Not really, 6 months - 1 year, as i'm not grinding and skipping story like most of the twats (who moan that it's fast, kids eh). But then, new additions, plus expansion already in the works, they are aware of the shortfalls, including space, so i will be shocked if they don't add things to make me stay longer.
4.5/5 imho.
I'm not that poor actualy. I like sociology and gaming... MMO launches and forums like this are perfect to combine both my interests.
Keep on thinking you know what every poster is like though... it creates a safety buffer around your head that reflects all the nastyness of actualy trying to visualize reality.
..Cake..
I agree for many of us those days are long gone, the last game I tried it with was Darkfall which is a great game but many of the guys whining for a sandbox will slag it down because of the exact reasons you state. Most of thos guys played UO and SWG and want those days back again just they haven't accepted that they've grown up.
Darkfall is a great game but after I'd got a bunch of my stats to lvl 100 and I looked at myself and thought "WTF are you doing?". Those games are still there it's just now I prefer to have a Cuban cigar and a glass of malt Scotch than sit bashing a keyboard and running macros like a zombie for 12 hrs so that I can PWN some 12 year old kid and get his mother mad at me.
And I do miss those days dearly ..... though I'm not sure why!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Being that I am a massive Star Wars fan and I have seen the reaction to SWTOR by SW fans who arent hardcore MMO'ers in forums and community groups outside the scope of MMO specialisation I can tell you that your opinion does not match the majority.
Ive also played enough of the game to know its not really for me and that is fine, but dont pretend anyone who is a star wars fan will love this game because they dont and many more wont.
I will keep playing SWTOR because I really want to like it but at this point I feel that when my box time runs out I think my SWTOR journey will be over.
No pun or insult intended but you're a geek. It's in your blood.
So you're jsut a complainer than? Or why do you come in a place you dislike so much?
None taken there are people that think I need therapy because I go to Gary Numan concerts and dress up like him, then again there are people that think anyone playing an MMORPG is either insane or a pervert!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Eh?.. I don't dislike the forum.. I dislike the game... I'm in ze forum.. not in ze game...
Observations are not always complaints
..Cake..
I know exactly what you mean, and sometimes because most of us from back in 1999 still play, we have some nostalgia moments from UO, EQ, SWG and even L2, when we used to play and grind endless hours a day, but I think that's it really we are looking at it with rose coloured glasses, if I go back to any of these games its just not the same, and I came to realize it were the people at the time that made that game good.
Spending 10h non stop grinding mobs was only good cause of the ppl doing it, us talking on vent etc... And now 10 years on some of them have kids and a busy life, I also work 8h a day and sometimes have to work pretty late, I want to get home and have fun I dont have time to play 10h a day anymore, I dont even mind raiding once in a while since it is quite fun. But I dont want to wait to have fun, I already have lots of challenges daily with deadlines and delivery dates that challenge me enough to keep me entertained for the next 20 years.
And this game really provides what I want an Epic story line, fun content from the get go, and the chance to play with friends. And its my favorite Universe! I couldnt ask for more really (actually I can and they will probably deliver
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Could be the best themepark game out but definatly not the best mmorpg, if all you have ever played is themepark WoW games then yes this is the holy grail of themeparks...
"It would be awesome if you could duel your companion. Then you could solo pvp".--Thanes
Mostly the reason why a sandbox is bad are the same for a bad themepark, they are shallow and boring. The excuse all the sandbox are bad but my sandbox is awesome is pretty ridiculous in your case. Clearly Swtor is an other super shallow game, the story was supposed to help but it didn't, the gameplay had to follow the concept behind the story to give it some weight but it didn't. That's exactly what you call superficial isn't it? Now the fact some people don't mind playing shallow games is an other story.
I wish ppl stopped treating their opinions as fact
You dislilke people posting here (as stated, go check what you wrote if you forgot already) and wish they would play SW and stay there.
Let me remind you it's people who are forming communities like forums, games, etc. Without people, forums and MMOs are dead and meaningless and as such weren't the point of my previous statements.
You're a hater and you don't even know it...
I agree for many of us those days are long gone, the last game I tried it with was Darkfall which is a great game but many of the guys whining for a sandbox will slag it down because of the exact reasons you state. Most of thos guys played UO and SWG and want those days back again just they haven't accepted that they've grown up.
Darkfall is a great game but after I'd got a bunch of my stats to lvl 100 and I looked at myself and thought "WTF are you doing?". Those games are still there it's just now I prefer to have a Cuban cigar and a glass of malt Scotch than sit bashing a keyboard and running macros like a zombie for 12 hrs so that I can PWN some 12 year old kid and get his mother mad at me.
And I do miss those days dearly ..... though I'm not sure why!
I know exactly what you mean, and sometimes because most of us from back in 1999 still play, we have some nostalgia moments from UO, EQ, SWG and even L2, when we used to play and grind endless hours a day, but I think that's it really we are looking at it with rose coloured glasses, if I go back to any of these games its just not the same, and I came to realize it were the people at the time that made that game good.
Spending 10h non stop grinding mobs was only good cause of the ppl doing it, us talking on vent etc... And now 10 years on some of them have kids and a busy life, I also work 8h a day and sometimes have to work pretty late, I want to get home and have fun I dont have time to play 10h a day anymore, I dont even mind raiding once in a while since it is quite fun. But I dont want to wait to have fun, I already have lots of challenges daily with deadlines and delivery dates that challenge me enough to keep me entertained for the next 20 years.
And this game really provides what I want an Epic story line, fun content from the get go, and the chance to play with friends. And its my favorite Universe! I couldnt ask for more really (actually I can and they will probably deliver
Agreed 100%. And hopefully BioWare don't succumb to the demands of the lifeless zombies who play 15hrs a day, then change the game to the detriment of everyone else - aka every other MMOs fate. Some guy is already moaning he is about to hit level 50, as he only stops playing to sleep and crap, even then probably still has his headset on.
Usually people that do that use an argumentation, they don't throw half hidden insults and run away.
Or how about you learn to not tunnel vision....?
P.S. for the love of god, please put a space after your commas and periods
I hate to be grammar police because I have terrible grammar myself, but atleast put a damn space...
It still is as far as I'm concerned at level 45.
It isn't even an MMO!!!... geezz...
You should carry on playing single player games like TOR and stay away from MMO's....
Anyone not liking this diamond must be m...m...m...m...m...ma...mad.
Not nothing else to add really I mean:
"Clearly Swtor is an other super shallow game" - opinion used as fact, I doubt you played the game tbh.
"the story was supposed to help but it didn't" - again opinion lots of ppl have said that the story is awesome, so no your wrong its your opinion not a fact.
"Now the fact some poeple don't mind playing shalow games is an other story" - again your opinion even clearly labeling it as fact.
These are all your not fact the same way what I state about this game is MY opinion. I rest my case.
I'm from those days too and not a second i feel the nostalgia of the grind. I always asked for the removal of it, and still do it. Grinding is one of the stupidest route the mmo genre could have went on, also its pretty clear dev teams used that "feature" to have you play longer and more often, as a "drug dispenser". Games became shallow because of this kind of attitude from the dev that stopped doing role playing game, but doing cash cows. Games like Uo proved the genre can go without such a grind and do very well. Why do you people always have to put an etiquette on things, never sandbox meant grinding, or if it did its only in your mind. In fact the grind as a "feature" was started with EQ since it used the endless level model, and became a norm with L2. Sandbox like UO are level less and class less. Pretty much all the skill could be maxed in few days or weeks, only taming and provocation need a grind in UO. Not the same as the EQ or L2 model where every class needed years to be grinded, even today they probably raise the max level in those games every so much months. It seam you kind of mix thing, yes sandbox need a bit more dedication and play time and this was a critique made on UO, but it doesn't mean dev team cannot come today with a solution for this. I think DF proved to all that if they don't want a solution its because they want your money, its pretty obvious.
My argumentation is pretty damn simple, if you weren't so focused on cutting each sentence, but rather try to read them entirely you would understand it.
They made a story but not a single aspect of the story is present in gameplay. Smuggler cannot pass good from evil to light side, need more example? i don't think it need more, because everyone can understand this argumentation, its all over the net. This is why the game have no deepness. If the story elements went deeper into the game and could be found in the gameplay i'm pretty sure the game wouldn't be trashed today, not by me at least. But since the entire game keep at the surface since it doesn't go beyond the appearance of the story, i call it shallow. But feel free to disagree.
Compared to other ways life gives us I can with confidence say playing games in general is preeeeety shallow.