I don't see how getting the base client and being allowed to play for as long as you want counts as a "free trial", but sure, whatever you want man. By the same logic the free level of F2P games are also "free trials".
Its more of an umlimited free trial. Its not what most would class as F2P.
Lol, at the bottom of my page is an advert "play EVE now: no credit card required"
Yeah that's a trial, which a few years ago also required a CC, which is why they advertise as they do now "no CC required". Many trials over the years used to require a CC to take part, I believe DAOC still does, last i checked anyway.
Anyway for the 100th time today, in 10 years of MMo gaming every game I've palyed at launch DAOC, SWG, WOW, Lineage 2, COH, EQ2, VG:SOH, AOC, WAR,FE, etc.. have required my CC info on sign-up to start my free 30 days.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So far I'd give Bioware the title of the scammer of the year. First the artifical queues at servers to make people spread evenly, then the "servers overloaded" excuse to stop people posting on their forums - but the "pay us to get what you already paid for" is really the best.
I don't get it people. Some say it's common practice. No it is not. I haven't seen it in WOW, AoC, or LOTRO. You just bought the game, stamped in your code, you got your game time and no credit card number, paypal or prepaid cards were needed.
They say they would not bill you until the 30 days are over.
Well lets just ignore the fact that people posted they were billed immediatelly, for the moment, but if this is true why the heck do they need the card number in advance? They do not need it and they will not get it, period. I liked the game even if it's very wowlike, I liked it despite the bugs everywhere but no I'm not going to let them manipulate me like that. If they get used to the fact that people will sheep away and do what they want, well good for them and damn bad for us.
I'm really really sorry that I bought the game and if I could get my money back I'd go for it immediatelly. Very disapointed.
I played two of the games you mention in your post at launch (WOW,LOTRO) and I remember having to activate an actual subscription to play those games. Every mmorpg I have played since SWG up until TOR has operated this way. And I have played some and after activating and getting the free thirty days cancelled my subscription which keeps the game active until the next billing cycle.
Now I have noticed some comments about US vs. Euro and in that regard I can only say most people are going to post what they know about (how could they do anything else) is that really cause to bash an entire country?
I'm not sure if that explains the reason so many people keep ranting about this very common practice in the West but I hope so because if not people have taken this further than I thought they would, going so far as to rewrite history.
Here are a few truths I've seen ignored in regards to this game and the industry as a whole.
Most mmorpg's do not or did not LAUNCH as free to play and a majority of those games have required you to set up an active subscription plan before you were allowed to play (including the standard 30 free days).
Most mmorpg's have not launched with the offer of a free trial right away nor usually anytime within the first six months to a year and I am not sure that before the free to play revolution started most mmorpg's even offered a free trial.
As another poster stated EVE advertises as not needing a credit card but that is for a free trial of the game not to play the entire game.
Lastly I remember a few mmorpg's launching and not having game time cards available at launch this may have changed but there was a time when it wasn't uncommon to have to wait a few months if that was the route you wanted to go sub wise.
Even if none of the above was true I still wouldn't see what the big deal here is as long as you have the right to enter a credit/debit/paypal card number and remove it before being charged.
{mod edit} Like every other pay to play MMO out there, SWTOR requires the consumer to set up a subscription plan before they can make use of their free month. This means that you are required to put down your credit card details or a game time code before you can start playing. As I have stated before this is a standard procedure. However, the user will only be charged if and only if he does not cancel his subscription before his free first month expires."
I don't see how getting the base client and being allowed to play for as long as you want counts as a "free trial", but sure, whatever you want man. By the same logic the free level of F2P games are also "free trials".
Its no time limit lvl limited trial, WARs had it for years, dont know how you missed it.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling" Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
So far I'd give Bioware the title of the scammer of the year. First the artifical queues at servers to make people spread evenly, then the "servers overloaded" excuse to stop people posting on their forums - but the "pay us to get what you already paid for" is really the best.
I don't get it people. Some say it's common practice. No it is not. I haven't seen it in WOW, AoC, or LOTRO. You just bought the game, stamped in your code, you got your game time and no credit card number, paypal or prepaid cards were needed.
They say they would not bill you until the 30 days are over.
Well lets just ignore the fact that people posted they were billed immediatelly, for the moment, but if this is true why the heck do they need the card number in advance? They do not need it and they will not get it, period. I liked the game even if it's very wowlike, I liked it despite the bugs everywhere but no I'm not going to let them manipulate me like that. If they get used to the fact that people will sheep away and do what they want, well good for them and damn bad for us.
I'm really really sorry that I bought the game and if I could get my money back I'd go for it immediatelly. Very disapointed.
Have you ever played an MMORPG before this? They ALL make you sign up for a subscription plan once you buy the full game. It isn't seen in WoW or LotRO because they are F2P, genius. SWTOR isn't. I can't address AoC because I've never tried it. We are all billed immediately with a verification charge, which all adults here should know is just a test to make sure you aren't feeding them crap accounts. The charge is routinely canceled after a few days. So don't expect much sympathy just because you don't know regular business practices or how credit cards work.
^^^ This. Since '97 when I started playing Ultima Online, I can't think of a single subscription based MMO I didn't have to put in a credit card for. Is the game just so awesome that this is all people can find to complain about?
Hey TSW Players http://www.unfair.co/ for Mission guides, Lore Locations and stuff....
So far I'd give Bioware the title of the scammer of the year. First the artifical queues at servers to make people spread evenly, then the "servers overloaded" excuse to stop people posting on their forums - but the "pay us to get what you already paid for" is really the best.
I don't get it people. Some say it's common practice. No it is not. I haven't seen it in WOW, AoC, or LOTRO. You just bought the game, stamped in your code, you got your game time and no credit card number, paypal or prepaid cards were needed.
They say they would not bill you until the 30 days are over.
Well lets just ignore the fact that people posted they were billed immediatelly, for the moment, but if this is true why the heck do they need the card number in advance? They do not need it and they will not get it, period. I liked the game even if it's very wowlike, I liked it despite the bugs everywhere but no I'm not going to let them manipulate me like that. If they get used to the fact that people will sheep away and do what they want, well good for them and damn bad for us.
I'm really really sorry that I bought the game and if I could get my money back I'd go for it immediatelly. Very disapointed.
Have you ever played an MMORPG before this? They ALL make you sign up for a subscription plan once you buy the full game. It isn't seen in WoW or LotRO because they are F2P, genius. SWTOR isn't. I can't address AoC because I've never tried it. We are all billed immediately with a verification charge, which all adults here should know is just a test to make sure you aren't feeding them crap accounts. The charge is routinely canceled after a few days. So don't expect much sympathy just because you don't know regular business practices or how credit cards work.
^^^ This. Since '97 when I started playing Ultima Online, I can't think of a single subscription based MMO I didn't have to put in a credit card for. Is the game just so awesome that this is all people can find to complain about?
Evidently, but there is also complaining that it isn't a reincarnation of SWG.
So far I'd give Bioware the title of the scammer of the year. First the artifical queues at servers to make people spread evenly, then the "servers overloaded" excuse to stop people posting on their forums - but the "pay us to get what you already paid for" is really the best.
I don't get it people. Some say it's common practice. No it is not. I haven't seen it in WOW, AoC, or LOTRO. You just bought the game, stamped in your code, you got your game time and no credit card number, paypal or prepaid cards were needed.
They say they would not bill you until the 30 days are over.
Well lets just ignore the fact that people posted they were billed immediatelly, for the moment, but if this is true why the heck do they need the card number in advance? They do not need it and they will not get it, period. I liked the game even if it's very wowlike, I liked it despite the bugs everywhere but no I'm not going to let them manipulate me like that. If they get used to the fact that people will sheep away and do what they want, well good for them and damn bad for us.
I'm really really sorry that I bought the game and if I could get my money back I'd go for it immediatelly. Very disapointed.
M8 about credit card, it is always like that, regarding queues it is normal biggest MMO ever, Bioware made run way smoother then any other company could, go play GW no subs, but 20% of swtor content for sure.
So far I'd give Bioware the title of the scammer of the year. First the artifical queues at servers to make people spread evenly, then the "servers overloaded" excuse to stop people posting on their forums - but the "pay us to get what you already paid for" is really the best.
I don't get it people. Some say it's common practice. No it is not. I haven't seen it in WOW, AoC, or LOTRO. You just bought the game, stamped in your code, you got your game time and no credit card number, paypal or prepaid cards were needed.
They say they would not bill you until the 30 days are over.
Well lets just ignore the fact that people posted they were billed immediatelly, for the moment, but if this is true why the heck do they need the card number in advance? They do not need it and they will not get it, period. I liked the game even if it's very wowlike, I liked it despite the bugs everywhere but no I'm not going to let them manipulate me like that. If they get used to the fact that people will sheep away and do what they want, well good for them and damn bad for us.
I'm really really sorry that I bought the game and if I could get my money back I'd go for it immediatelly. Very disapointed.
M8 about credit card, it is always like that, regarding queues it is normal biggest MMO ever, Bioware made run way smoother then any other company could, go play GW no subs, but 20% of swtor content for sure.
May the force be with you on your decisions.
Comparing content: Guildwars vs Star Wars the Old Republic
Guildwars has 35% of Star Wars the Old Republics Total Unique Quest Count 873/2453
Guildwars has 120% more dungeon content 18/15
Guildwars has 300% more "End game/Raid" dungeon content 6/2 (Two sounds like an awfully small number, but if they're trying to be like WoW I guess it makes sense.)
Guildwars has a "Buttload" more pvp content than SWTOR "I... I don't... I can't... too much multiplying >.<" / 3
You might not want to ever use numbers when making such a fallible statement.
The way I see it, a $50.00 game with no sub and has more content than a $60.00 game with a required $15.00/mo sub, do you really need the force for that kind of decision?
The upside, you're not paying $600 a month for a game that claims to be free to play...
I hope this humors someone.
P.S. I must be a masochist, because last time I checked math and I did not get along.
So you bought game thats plastered with words "REQUIRES ACTIVE SUBSCRIPTION TO PLAY" and you're pissed that you assumed it WOULDNT require active subscrption to play?
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What do you think that 30 day subscription include with the game is?
So you bought game thats plastered with words "REQUIRES ACTIVE SUBSCRIPTION TO PLAY" and you're pissed that you assumed it WOULDNT require active subscrption to play?
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What do you think that 30 day subscription include with the game is?
it is incl, you just need to activate a subciption whitout needing to pay for it untill those days are over. no big deal, was known for weeks.
Have you ever played an MMORPG before this? They ALL make you sign up for a subscription plan once you buy the full game. It isn't seen in WoW or LotRO because they are F2P, genius. SWTOR isn't. I can't address AoC because I've never tried it. We are all billed immediately with a verification charge, which all adults here should know is just a test to make sure you aren't feeding them crap accounts. The charge is routinely canceled after a few days. So don't expect much sympathy just because you don't know regular business practices or how credit cards work.
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WOW is damn not F2P at all. LOTRO is now but when I played it it was not. AoC isn ow but when I played it it was not. I used prepaid cards from the very beginning and I needed to use it after the 30 days period was over, no sooner.
And even if it's not so they bloody do not need my cred card number before they are to be paid WHICH IS NOT NOW. I paid for 30 days of game time and I want my 30days of game time NOW - with no additional conditions.
But with WoW and many others mmo's you buy the game put in your info and payment method there was no need for creditcard info just info gamecard for example and you could play after month they let you deside if you wanne play further or not.
So billed and charge is not true at all and insulting people is not nice btw eather.
If they requier active subscription by asking for creditcard number or bank number and you have to agree i would demand my money back its scam by these money grabbing bastards thats obvious. But maybe we here in europe are not easely scammed we dont have active subscription we have to agree on.
This is terribly wrong. Even at the launch you had to register a credit card in order to let you log in the game.
Also while the tactic hurts people who dont own a CC and dont wanna pay 60days game card in advance without being sure they keep playing the game, its stated on the box and its "like it or leave it" issue.
So you bought game thats plastered with words "REQUIRES ACTIVE SUBSCRIPTION TO PLAY" and you're pissed that you assumed it WOULDNT require active subscrption to play?
[Mod Edit]
What do you think that 30 day subscription include with the game is?
it is incl, you just need to activate a subciption whitout needing to pay for it untill those days are over. no big deal, was known for weeks.
It is also printed on the game box, lol. And has been printed on MMO game boxes and cases since time immemorial.
Now this is funny. It looks like that the single and only agrument of people who do defend this scam is "this is a normal way how to do it, a standard operation procedure".
Just try to think about it, people. If it is really so (and it is not, it looks like they are just trying to get us used to it), something is SERIOUSLY wrong. Because they sold us the game, then they let us play it for a single day, then they said "you will get what you paid for if you pay us more or give us access to your credit card now even if we need it after a month but don't ask why we just want it this way".
So happy to see another promising game blasted to hells by sales managers.
Purchased it, thought I would've had 30 days free, found out I didn't, so I went out and bought a time-card instead and now I have 86 days instead of 26 if I were to use my credit card. So I can play the game and I'm not pissed at all, WoW did the same thing at launch, as well as many other P2P MMOs, at least from my experience that is.
Originally posted by Fext Originally posted by Uronksur
Have you ever played an MMORPG before this? They ALL make you sign up for a subscription plan once you buy the full game. It isn't seen in WoW or LotRO because they are F2P, genius. SWTOR isn't. I can't address AoC because I've never tried it. We are all billed immediately with a verification charge, which all adults here should know is just a test to make sure you aren't feeding them crap accounts. The charge is routinely canceled after a few days. So don't expect much sympathy just because you don't know regular business practices or how credit cards work.
This post clearly proves that you are really just some hired hand tasked to attack people who would not accept this scam. WOW is damn not F2P at all. LOTRO is now but when I played it it was not. AoC isn ow but when I played it it was not. I used prepaid cards from the very beginning and I needed to use it after the 30 days period was over, no sooner. And even if it's not so they bloody do not need my cred card number before they are to be paid WHICH IS NOT NOW. I paid for 30 days of game time and I want my 30days of game time NOW - with no additional conditions.
They specify that a current plan must be in place to play the game. And they don't specify when u will actually get your free time, just that its there.
Thats what you agreed to when you clicked "I accept"
TSW - AoC - Aion - WOW - EVE - Fallen Earth - Co - Rift - || XNA C# Java Development
It is also printed on the game box, lol. And has been printed on MMO game boxes and cases since time immemorial.
The only thing which is printed on the box is that I will need to pay them to play the game which is OK. But I paid them and they will not let me play. This is wrong.
It's like a prepaid card. I just redeemed a game code which should give me 30 days of game time. I did not get my 30 days of game time. And you are telling me this is OK? Do you seriously believe it yourself?
Now this is funny. It looks like that the single and only agrument of people who do defend this scam is "this is a normal way how to do it, a standard operation procedure".
Just try to think about it, people. If it is really so (and it is not, it looks like they are just trying to get us used to it), something is SERIOUSLY wrong. Because they sold us the game, then they let us play it for a single day, then they said "you will get what you paid for if you pay us more or give us access to your credit card now even if we need it after a month but don't ask why we just want it this way".
So happy to see another promising game blasted to hells by sales managers.
Because most adults really couldn't care less whether we put our payment information in before or right when we need to. Most of us aren't obsessively paranoid and/or are smart enough to check our bank statements regularly for suspicious activity, and can figure out that EA isn't charging us anything at this point.
It is also printed on the game box, lol. And has been printed on MMO game boxes and cases since time immemorial.
The only thing which is printed on the box is that I will need to pay them to play the game which is OK. But I paid them and they will not let me play. This is wrong.
It's like a prepaid card. I just redeemed a game code which should give me 30 days of game time. I did not get my 30 days of game time. And you are telling me this is OK? Do you seriously believe it yourself?
Yes, because you apparently didn't read the box where it said "Valid credit card or game time card and paid subscription required to play game". You really don't have anyone to blame for your oversight but yourself.
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Its more of an umlimited free trial. Its not what most would class as F2P.
Yeah that's a trial, which a few years ago also required a CC, which is why they advertise as they do now "no CC required". Many trials over the years used to require a CC to take part, I believe DAOC still does, last i checked anyway.
Anyway for the 100th time today, in 10 years of MMo gaming every game I've palyed at launch DAOC, SWG, WOW, Lineage 2, COH, EQ2, VG:SOH, AOC, WAR,FE, etc.. have required my CC info on sign-up to start my free 30 days.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I played two of the games you mention in your post at launch (WOW,LOTRO) and I remember having to activate an actual subscription to play those games. Every mmorpg I have played since SWG up until TOR has operated this way. And I have played some and after activating and getting the free thirty days cancelled my subscription which keeps the game active until the next billing cycle.
Now I have noticed some comments about US vs. Euro and in that regard I can only say most people are going to post what they know about (how could they do anything else) is that really cause to bash an entire country?
I'm not sure if that explains the reason so many people keep ranting about this very common practice in the West but I hope so because if not people have taken this further than I thought they would, going so far as to rewrite history.
Here are a few truths I've seen ignored in regards to this game and the industry as a whole.
Most mmorpg's do not or did not LAUNCH as free to play and a majority of those games have required you to set up an active subscription plan before you were allowed to play (including the standard 30 free days).
Most mmorpg's have not launched with the offer of a free trial right away nor usually anytime within the first six months to a year and I am not sure that before the free to play revolution started most mmorpg's even offered a free trial.
As another poster stated EVE advertises as not needing a credit card but that is for a free trial of the game not to play the entire game.
Lastly I remember a few mmorpg's launching and not having game time cards available at launch this may have changed but there was a time when it wasn't uncommon to have to wait a few months if that was the route you wanted to go sub wise.
Even if none of the above was true I still wouldn't see what the big deal here is as long as you have the right to enter a credit/debit/paypal card number and remove it before being charged.
{mod edit} Like every other pay to play MMO out there, SWTOR requires the consumer to set up a subscription plan before they can make use of their free month. This means that you are required to put down your credit card details or a game time code before you can start playing. As I have stated before this is a standard procedure. However, the user will only be charged if and only if he does not cancel his subscription before his free first month expires."
This, apparently WARs been F2P all this time, who knew.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
Its no time limit lvl limited trial, WARs had it for years, dont know how you missed it.
Apparently stating the truth in my sig is "trolling"
Sig typo fixed thanks to an observant stragen001.
They do it so if kids forget to cancel their subscription...EA still gets 15 dollars.
Read my post above.^^^ This. Since '97 when I started playing Ultima Online, I can't think of a single subscription based MMO I didn't have to put in a credit card for. Is the game just so awesome that this is all people can find to complain about?
Hey TSW Players http://www.unfair.co/ for Mission guides, Lore Locations and stuff....
Evidently, but there is also complaining that it isn't a reincarnation of SWG.
M8 about credit card, it is always like that, regarding queues it is normal biggest MMO ever, Bioware made run way smoother then any other company could, go play GW no subs, but 20% of swtor content for sure.
May the force be with you on your decisions.
Comparing content: Guildwars vs Star Wars the Old Republic
Guildwars has 35% of Star Wars the Old Republics Total Unique Quest Count 873/2453
Guildwars has 120% more dungeon content 18/15
Guildwars has 300% more "End game/Raid" dungeon content 6/2 (Two sounds like an awfully small number, but if they're trying to be like WoW I guess it makes sense.)
Guildwars has a "Buttload" more pvp content than SWTOR "I... I don't... I can't... too much multiplying >.<" / 3
You might not want to ever use numbers when making such a fallible statement.
The way I see it, a $50.00 game with no sub and has more content than a $60.00 game with a required $15.00/mo sub, do you really need the force for that kind of decision?
The upside, you're not paying $600 a month for a game that claims to be free to play...
I hope this humors someone.
P.S. I must be a masochist, because last time I checked math and I did not get along.
This isnt done in all MMOs but most P2P ones do it like this.
Shadow's Hand Guild
Open recruitment for
The Secret World - Dragons
Planetside 2 - Terran Republic
Tera - Dragonfall Server
http://www.shadowshand.com
What do you think that 30 day subscription include with the game is?
Lost my mind, now trying to lose yours...
it is incl, you just need to activate a subciption whitout needing to pay for it untill those days are over. no big deal, was known for weeks.
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WOW is damn not F2P at all. LOTRO is now but when I played it it was not. AoC isn ow but when I played it it was not. I used prepaid cards from the very beginning and I needed to use it after the 30 days period was over, no sooner.
And even if it's not so they bloody do not need my cred card number before they are to be paid WHICH IS NOT NOW. I paid for 30 days of game time and I want my 30days of game time NOW - with no additional conditions.
This is terribly wrong. Even at the launch you had to register a credit card in order to let you log in the game.
Also while the tactic hurts people who dont own a CC and dont wanna pay 60days game card in advance without being sure they keep playing the game, its stated on the box and its "like it or leave it" issue.
http://www.youtube.com/user/chopgr?feature=mhee
"The Heavens burned, the stars
cried out
And under the ashes of infinity,
Hope, scarred and bleeding,
breathed its last."
It is also printed on the game box, lol. And has been printed on MMO game boxes and cases since time immemorial.
Now this is funny. It looks like that the single and only agrument of people who do defend this scam is "this is a normal way how to do it, a standard operation procedure".
Just try to think about it, people. If it is really so (and it is not, it looks like they are just trying to get us used to it), something is SERIOUSLY wrong. Because they sold us the game, then they let us play it for a single day, then they said "you will get what you paid for if you pay us more or give us access to your credit card now even if we need it after a month but don't ask why we just want it this way".
So happy to see another promising game blasted to hells by sales managers.
Purchased it, thought I would've had 30 days free, found out I didn't, so I went out and bought a time-card instead and now I have 86 days instead of 26 if I were to use my credit card. So I can play the game and I'm not pissed at all, WoW did the same thing at launch, as well as many other P2P MMOs, at least from my experience that is.
This post clearly proves that you are really just some hired hand tasked to attack people who would not accept this scam.
WOW is damn not F2P at all. LOTRO is now but when I played it it was not. AoC isn ow but when I played it it was not. I used prepaid cards from the very beginning and I needed to use it after the 30 days period was over, no sooner.
And even if it's not so they bloody do not need my cred card number before they are to be paid WHICH IS NOT NOW. I paid for 30 days of game time and I want my 30days of game time NOW - with no additional conditions.
They specify that a current plan must be in place to play the game. And they don't specify when u will actually get your free time, just that its there.
Thats what you agreed to when you clicked "I accept"
TSW - AoC - Aion - WOW - EVE - Fallen Earth - Co - Rift - || XNA C# Java Development
The only thing which is printed on the box is that I will need to pay them to play the game which is OK. But I paid them and they will not let me play. This is wrong.
It's like a prepaid card. I just redeemed a game code which should give me 30 days of game time. I did not get my 30 days of game time. And you are telling me this is OK? Do you seriously believe it yourself?
Because most adults really couldn't care less whether we put our payment information in before or right when we need to. Most of us aren't obsessively paranoid and/or are smart enough to check our bank statements regularly for suspicious activity, and can figure out that EA isn't charging us anything at this point.
Yes, because you apparently didn't read the box where it said "Valid credit card or game time card and paid subscription required to play game". You really don't have anyone to blame for your oversight but yourself.
No it is not. It's not that I can not do it. I just do not want to. Is it so hard to understand this?
And
1) buy a game and enter your valid game code
2) play free for 30 days
is way simpler and exactly what I do expect to have. Why do I have to open and immediatelly cancel my account to get what I PAID FOR IN ADVANCE?