About half way down some response from Stephen Reid on the forums
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Originally Posted by Spankyjnco
8. A easier way to find groups. Having to spam in /1 is quite annoying to everyone in the zone, let alone those looking for a group. And noobdy seems to use that actual "Flag yourself for group" option because it's not very successful. I would like to do flashpoints, but I'm not going to waste 30 minutes sitting in the fleet spamming /1 that I am looking for a group. Some kind of way to have a global search/group finder would be nice.
We're aware of this desire, but we actually believe that finding others on the same planet as you encourages social interaction a bit more than a general 'group finder'. We're not saying it'll never, ever happen but again, not high priority right now.
My thought HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Good. This isn't World of Warcraft. Learn to socialize and learn how to play a REAL mmorpg.
Which SWTOR is counter intuitive to the socializing aspect of mmorpgs and they forgot the concept of the "massively" part of mmo.
Really how is spamming a general channel bring any socializing aspects to the game? People will socialize in a grp, not in the lfg channels.
About half way down some response from Stephen Reid on the forums
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spankyjnco
8. A easier way to find groups. Having to spam in /1 is quite annoying to everyone in the zone, let alone those looking for a group. And noobdy seems to use that actual "Flag yourself for group" option because it's not very successful. I would like to do flashpoints, but I'm not going to waste 30 minutes sitting in the fleet spamming /1 that I am looking for a group. Some kind of way to have a global search/group finder would be nice.
We're aware of this desire, but we actually believe that finding others on the same planet as you encourages social interaction a bit more than a general 'group finder'. We're not saying it'll never, ever happen but again, not high priority right now.
My thought HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Good. This isn't World of Warcraft. Learn to socialize and learn how to play a REAL mmorpg.
Which SWTOR is counter intuitive to the socializing aspect of mmorpgs and they forgot the concept of the "massively" part of mmo.
Really how is spamming a general channel bring any socializing aspects to the game? People will socialize in a grp, not in the lfg channels.
The only people spamming the general channel are people who are too anti-social to join a guild and make friends in the game.
I see a lot of whining and arguing, but no one is offering solutions to the problem.
The game doesn't need a LFD tool, but it could use the solutions below.
The devs are clueless. They have no idea how to bring people together to socialize. There is no main hub, and everyone is spread out, which makes it harder for people to form groups together. The fleet doesn't count. Why? Because it's such a hassle to get to it.
There is too much zoning.
Spaceport> Dock Entrance> Enter Ship> Map (3 more clicks)> Exit Ship> Exit Dock to Imperial Fleet.
Four quick solutions could help out the problem though.
Global LFG channel.
Summons at the Fleet.
Emergency Fleet Pass on a 30-60 min cooldown.
or a Quick Travel Skill to our Ship.
And don't give me that excuse: It's called emergency for a reason. They could just change the name.
Dude... what are you talking about..? They sell Fleet Passes for 1,000 credits that have no cooldown at all. Just use those.
A random group is a random group, no matter if it's formed through General chat or a LFD tool. The key is to keep the LFD within the server, so that when you group with a douchebag, they'll earn a bad reputation, and when you group with good and friendly people, you can add them to your friends list for future groups.
It's true that MMORPG's in genre require a time commitment, but wasting your time doing nothing while forming a group isn't something I like doing. I work the night shift, so I play between 5-9am. Not a time where there's loads of people on, but there's still plenty of people to group with, they're just scattered across different planets. A LFD tool would help me find groups during the week while the flashpoints are still within my level range.
at least someone gets it.. but guess we must just be anti-social
Okay I might be in the minority but I think this is a GREAT thing.
LFDs are great but they really ruin the community and lead to content being worn out at a super fast rate.
Nope, people against it are in the minority but they're the most vocal so it appears that they are the majority. Casuals are the majority and they would favor a LFD as they don't have the time to sit in general w/ their thumb up their ass waiting for a grp.
I'm 100% casual and 100% against LFD tool.
The casuals I'm refering to are the ones that put in a full days work and don't hang round forums.
Ah, so they have to be "real" casual players in order to favor a LFD tool. A true Scotman you are for sure.
Actually, I think you'll find most forum dwellers are actually at work and bored,so they post here since they can't play MMO's at the office.
I'm about as casual as they get, working an average of 60 hours a week and managing family and while my play time is definitely causal, I'm not in favor of cross server LFD tools, at least not if the game is designed correctly.
On the surface they seem like a great idea, until you realize that running the content is not what MMORPG's are really all about, its the social interaction you are so supposed to be building.
For all the benefits they bring in completing the "game" they help hinder the overall community, especially if they are cross server.
But as others are saying, it appears already people are having difficulties finding groupmates, which can only mean one thing, that the game's design is such that players can advance their avatars purely by soloing, or in other words, there isn't enough encouragement (dare I say forced) grouping mechanics to ensure players are seeking each other out, much like that other big MMO and therefore a cross server LFD tool might be the only way to go in this case.
Since the game design doesn't encourage/reward social interaction in a signifcant (again, almost mandatory) manner, players will never get to complete the group content and that doesn't make much sense either.
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Okay I might be in the minority but I think this is a GREAT thing.
LFDs are great but they really ruin the community and lead to content being worn out at a super fast rate.
Nope, people against it are in the minority but they're the most vocal so it appears that they are the majority. Casuals are the majority and they would favor a LFD as they don't have the time to sit in general w/ their thumb up their ass waiting for a grp.
I'm 100% casual and 100% against LFD tool.
The casuals I'm refering to are the ones that put in a full days work and don't hang round forums.
Ah, so they have to be "real" casual players in order to favor a LFD tool. A true Scotman you are for sure.
Actually, I think you'll find most forum dwellers are actually at work and bored,so they post here since they can't play MMO's at the office.
I'm about as casual as they get, working an average of 60 hours a week and managing family and while my play time is definitely causal, I'm not in favor of cross server LFD tools, at least not if the game is designed correctly.
On the surface they seem like a great idea, until you realize that running the content is not what MMORPG's are really all about, its the social interaction you are so supposed to be building.
For all the benefits they bring in completing the "game" they help hinder the overall community, especially if they are cross server.
But as others are saying, it appears already people are having difficulties finding groupmates, which can only mean one thing, that the game's design is such that players can advance their avatars purely by soloing, or in other words, there isn't enough encouragement (dare I say forced) grouping mechanics to ensure players are seeking each other out, much like that other big MMO and therefore a cross server LFD tool might be the only way to go in this case.
Since the game design doesn't encourage/reward social interaction in a signifcant (again, almost mandatory) manner, players will never get to complete the group content and that doesn't make much sense either.
the counter excuse to this I keep hearing is this game is loaded with group content.. yes there are plenty of heroics yes there are flashpoints ect but the big feature the main class story is almost a completely solo afair.. aside from maybe a small handfull of quests any part of it can be easily soloed. Companions like said several times in this thread is just another way this game not only makes things easier to solo but even takes away many reasons to group.. In the past pet classes were general the go to solo class but now EVERYONE can be the go to solo class even less and less incentive to group.. I really don't see why people are so blinded to think just because games years and years ago didn't need or have a dungeon finder that this game would benefit greatly from one... also I'm fine with no cross server stuff like Rift has but something would be very welcome
DDO had a pretty good system for forming groups. Being able to advertise your group on a browsable board like that was great. I'm against an automatic matching system like WoW has but tools to help form groups can be useful.
About half way down some response from Stephen Reid on the forums
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spankyjnco
8. A easier way to find groups. Having to spam in /1 is quite annoying to everyone in the zone, let alone those looking for a group. And noobdy seems to use that actual "Flag yourself for group" option because it's not very successful. I would like to do flashpoints, but I'm not going to waste 30 minutes sitting in the fleet spamming /1 that I am looking for a group. Some kind of way to have a global search/group finder would be nice.
We're aware of this desire, but we actually believe that finding others on the same planet as you encourages social interaction a bit more than a general 'group finder'. We're not saying it'll never, ever happen but again, not high priority right now.
My thought HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Good. This isn't World of Warcraft. Learn to socialize and learn how to play a REAL mmorpg.
Which SWTOR is counter intuitive to the socializing aspect of mmorpgs and they forgot the concept of the "massively" part of mmo.
Really how is spamming a general channel bring any socializing aspects to the game? People will socialize in a grp, not in the lfg channels.
either you have zero experience with LFD, or have been extremely lucky with it. People do not socialize in LFD groups generally.
I still need convincing that a LFD system is not needed for when the population reaches cap and lower level flashpoints are all but abandoned unless you have a 50 guildy or 2 to run you through. Time will tell.
I WOULD like a better lfg listing, where you could select individual flashpoints and your roll to be listed for. The current lfg system is very disorganized. Just something more intuative for listing yourself and searching through.
I play a healer, and it does take some spamming to get a group together for a flashpoint, even on a full server.
I just go to the quest area and look how it looks there. Actually finding a group has been very easy in SWTOR.
This is what I do and I haven't failed to find a group yet. However, I haven't tried any flashpoints yet, so there may be an issue with that. I don't think you can just go hang around at a flashpoint.
I play a healer, and it does take some spamming to get a group together for a flashpoint, even on a full server.
all lies you must not be social or have a guild or a pile of friends playing the game to group with... in all seriousness many people are having this issue and this is on full servers with a just released game I can't even imagine how bad its going to be when half the population is at level cap
Wow, I really don't understand the belief that spamming general chat for groupmates is "social interaction." I mean, it's almost the equivalent of spamming a personals ad over and over.
"Look ma, I'm gonna Socialize!"
"Tank seeking healer for Essels!"
"Tank seeking healer!"
"Wow! I love randomly screaming into a crowd that is largely deaf to my pleas, socializing is so much fun!"
"Tank seeking healer..."
"Tank seeking..."
"Ah F*** it!"
<Puts gun in mouth and pulls trigger>
LFD is in and of itself, not that bad. The only reason it got such a bad rap was that it was cross-server in WoW, and you wound up hardly ever grouping with the same people twice (anonymity). If LFD was in the game, but was either single server, or 2-3 server group, then I think it would be fine.
In fact, it would ENCOURAGE social interaction because you would probably wind up teaming with the same folks multiple times. If implemented well, it could even have features like "preferring" to group you with people on your friends list.
I have to say at this point I rather they didn't at this point. If it appears to be a great need later then fine. But right now I rather the community come together and folks learn to work together and build up their friend's list to work from. Some of my best playing times were when the LFD option was not in WoW and when I played FFXI where it never really existed (during my playing time that is). All the other games never kept my attention that long anyway. So I am definitely okay with it not being available just now. Not seeing an over need for it as it is but that is only from my perspective as getting groups has been easy.
Wow, I really don't understand the belief that spamming general chat for groupmates is "social interaction." I mean, it's almost the equivalent of spamming a personals ad over and over.
"Look ma, I'm gonna Socialize!"
"Tank seeking healer for Essels!"
"Tank seeking healer!"
"Wow! I love randomly screaming into a crowd that is largely deaf to my pleas, socializing is so much fun!"
"Tank seeking healer..."
"Tank seeking..."
"Ah F*** it!"
LFD is in and of itself, not that bad. The only reason it got such a bad rap was that it was cross-server in WoW, and you wound up hardly ever grouping with the same people twice (anonymity). If LFD was in the game, but was either single server, or 2-3 server group, then I think it would be fine.
In fact, it would ENCOURAGE social interaction because you would probably wind up teaming with the same folks multiple times. If implemented well, it could even have features like "preferring" to group you with people on your friends list.
exactly....i really can't see why so many people find this point such a hard concept, honestly the argument it takes away from social interaction is just so ridiculous it makes me laugh
About half way down some response from Stephen Reid on the forums
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spankyjnco
8. A easier way to find groups. Having to spam in /1 is quite annoying to everyone in the zone, let alone those looking for a group. And noobdy seems to use that actual "Flag yourself for group" option because it's not very successful. I would like to do flashpoints, but I'm not going to waste 30 minutes sitting in the fleet spamming /1 that I am looking for a group. Some kind of way to have a global search/group finder would be nice.
We're aware of this desire, but we actually believe that finding others on the same planet as you encourages social interaction a bit more than a general 'group finder'. We're not saying it'll never, ever happen but again, not high priority right now.
My thought HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Good. This isn't World of Warcraft. Learn to socialize and learn how to play a REAL mmorpg.
Which SWTOR is counter intuitive to the socializing aspect of mmorpgs and they forgot the concept of the "massively" part of mmo.
Really how is spamming a general channel bring any socializing aspects to the game? People will socialize in a grp, not in the lfg channels.
either you have zero experience with LFD, or have been extremely lucky with it. People do not socialize in LFD groups generally.
A hell of a lot more than in general or trade chat. My real socialization comes in with the guild I'm with and not my friends list or some random pug. People are supporting that LFD destroys the socialization aspect when 1. the game has very little socialization beyond guilds and those who dwell in general chat and 2. that spamming trade/general chat does not proived any socialization which in fact would hinder socialization because people will avoid the channel just to talk because of the spamming.
About half way down some response from Stephen Reid on the forums
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spankyjnco
8. A easier way to find groups. Having to spam in /1 is quite annoying to everyone in the zone, let alone those looking for a group. And noobdy seems to use that actual "Flag yourself for group" option because it's not very successful. I would like to do flashpoints, but I'm not going to waste 30 minutes sitting in the fleet spamming /1 that I am looking for a group. Some kind of way to have a global search/group finder would be nice.
We're aware of this desire, but we actually believe that finding others on the same planet as you encourages social interaction a bit more than a general 'group finder'. We're not saying it'll never, ever happen but again, not high priority right now.
My thought HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Good. This isn't World of Warcraft. Learn to socialize and learn how to play a REAL mmorpg.
Which SWTOR is counter intuitive to the socializing aspect of mmorpgs and they forgot the concept of the "massively" part of mmo.
Really how is spamming a general channel bring any socializing aspects to the game? People will socialize in a grp, not in the lfg channels.
either you have zero experience with LFD, or have been extremely lucky with it. People do not socialize in LFD groups generally.
A hell of a lot more than in general or trade chat. My real socialization comes in with the guild I'm with and not my friends list or some random pug. People are supporting that LFD destroys the socialization aspect when 1. the game has very little socialization beyond guilds and those who dwell in general chat and 2. that spamming trade/general chat does not proived any socialization which in fact would hinder socialization because people will avoid the channel just to talk because of the spamming.
it still amazes me how people defend LFD with the same argument over and over yet all this forces is general chat spams instead of a que letting people actual interact while waiting for the LFD que and letting general chat actually be about game topics instead of LFG!!! and I agree most social interaction in any MMO comes from guild chat
Okay I might be in the minority but I think this is a GREAT thing.
LFDs are great but they really ruin the community and lead to content being worn out at a super fast rate.
Nope, people against it are in the minority but they're the most vocal so it appears that they are the majority. Casuals are the majority and they would favor a LFD as they don't have the time to sit in general w/ their thumb up their ass waiting for a grp.
I'm 100% casual and 100% against LFD tool.
The casuals I'm refering to are the ones that put in a full days work and don't hang round forums.
Ah, so they have to be "real" casual players in order to favor a LFD tool. A true Scotman you are for sure.
Actually, I think you'll find most forum dwellers are actually at work and bored,so they post here since they can't play MMO's at the office.
I'm about as casual as they get, working an average of 60 hours a week and managing family and while my play time is definitely causal, I'm not in favor of cross server LFD tools, at least not if the game is designed correctly.
On the surface they seem like a great idea, until you realize that running the content is not what MMORPG's are really all about, its the social interaction you are so supposed to be building.
For all the benefits they bring in completing the "game" they help hinder the overall community, especially if they are cross server.
But as others are saying, it appears already people are having difficulties finding groupmates, which can only mean one thing, that the game's design is such that players can advance their avatars purely by soloing, or in other words, there isn't enough encouragement (dare I say forced) grouping mechanics to ensure players are seeking each other out, much like that other big MMO and therefore a cross server LFD tool might be the only way to go in this case.
Since the game design doesn't encourage/reward social interaction in a signifcant (again, almost mandatory) manner, players will never get to complete the group content and that doesn't make much sense either.
*shrug* All casuals I know of that in-game support the LF and I've yet to come across someone that opposes it.
Regardless there needs to be some LFD tool available even if it's simpely an LFG global channel. As it stands one needs to be standing round the FP zone just to be in the same general channel. And no one wants trade channel being flooded with LFM messages.
About half way down some response from Stephen Reid on the forums
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spankyjnco
8. A easier way to find groups. Having to spam in /1 is quite annoying to everyone in the zone, let alone those looking for a group. And noobdy seems to use that actual "Flag yourself for group" option because it's not very successful. I would like to do flashpoints, but I'm not going to waste 30 minutes sitting in the fleet spamming /1 that I am looking for a group. Some kind of way to have a global search/group finder would be nice.
We're aware of this desire, but we actually believe that finding others on the same planet as you encourages social interaction a bit more than a general 'group finder'. We're not saying it'll never, ever happen but again, not high priority right now.
My thought HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
This will ruin the game for 90% of players.
The other 10% will make friends and learn thier class and hot to play with others. Players will find they dont always need a " full group" or a perfect group. if a company like Biowrae cannot make a game that does not need that perfect group then god help us all.
DDO had a pretty good system for forming groups. Being able to advertise your group on a browsable board like that was great. I'm against an automatic matching system like WoW has but tools to help form groups can be useful.
Yes I always liked DDOs LFG panel but in the end it's the same as WoW's LFD because you have elitest.... but one can post things like "Skipping Convo Scenes" which is the equivilent to "ZERGing" posts in DDO.
But DDO was heavily grp oriented at least originally which is not so much for SWTOR.
*shrug* All casuals I know of that in-game support the LF and I've yet to come across someone that opposes it.
Regardless there needs to be some LFD tool available even if it's simpely an LFG global channel. As it stands one needs to be standing round the FP zone just to be in the same general channel. And no one wants trade channel being flooded with LFM messages.
IMO, LFD is really only opposed by hardcore forumites who blame LFD for a bad experience they had in WoW. Personally, I used LFD a lot in WoW and I had both good and bad experiences...much like if I had found a PUG group in general chat.
*shrug* All casuals I know of that in-game support the LF and I've yet to come across someone that opposes it.
Regardless there needs to be some LFD tool available even if it's simpely an LFG global channel. As it stands one needs to be standing round the FP zone just to be in the same general channel. And no one wants trade channel being flooded with LFM messages.
IMO, LFD is really only opposed by hardcore forumites who blame LFD for a bad experience they had in WoW. Personally, I used LFD a lot in WoW and I had both good and bad experiences...much like if I had found a PUG group in general chat.
true and I still yet to hear a valid argument as to why this game would not benefit from a LFD tool
About half way down some response from Stephen Reid on the forums
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spankyjnco
8. A easier way to find groups. Having to spam in /1 is quite annoying to everyone in the zone, let alone those looking for a group. And noobdy seems to use that actual "Flag yourself for group" option because it's not very successful. I would like to do flashpoints, but I'm not going to waste 30 minutes sitting in the fleet spamming /1 that I am looking for a group. Some kind of way to have a global search/group finder would be nice.
We're aware of this desire, but we actually believe that finding others on the same planet as you encourages social interaction a bit more than a general 'group finder'. We're not saying it'll never, ever happen but again, not high priority right now.
My thought HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Hmm that whole "encourages social interation" just goes to show imo the total lack of MMO experiance BW has as that no way no how improves social interaction. Step 1: Put in LFG for Heoric, Step 2: Get grp together, Step 3: Complete heroic, : Step 4 quite grp. How does this imporve social interaction? If they wanted social interaction then they should have not done a tremendous amount of solo content.
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Which SWTOR is counter intuitive to the socializing aspect of mmorpgs and they forgot the concept of the "massively" part of mmo.
Really how is spamming a general channel bring any socializing aspects to the game? People will socialize in a grp, not in the lfg channels.
The only people spamming the general channel are people who are too anti-social to join a guild and make friends in the game.
Agreed that its not needed now, i prefer to search people close to the entrance or use the /lfg /general for now.
Dude... what are you talking about..? They sell Fleet Passes for 1,000 credits that have no cooldown at all. Just use those.
at least someone gets it.. but guess we must just be anti-social
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Ah, so they have to be "real" casual players in order to favor a LFD tool. A true Scotman you are for sure.
Actually, I think you'll find most forum dwellers are actually at work and bored,so they post here since they can't play MMO's at the office.
I'm about as casual as they get, working an average of 60 hours a week and managing family and while my play time is definitely causal, I'm not in favor of cross server LFD tools, at least not if the game is designed correctly.
On the surface they seem like a great idea, until you realize that running the content is not what MMORPG's are really all about, its the social interaction you are so supposed to be building.
For all the benefits they bring in completing the "game" they help hinder the overall community, especially if they are cross server.
But as others are saying, it appears already people are having difficulties finding groupmates, which can only mean one thing, that the game's design is such that players can advance their avatars purely by soloing, or in other words, there isn't enough encouragement (dare I say forced) grouping mechanics to ensure players are seeking each other out, much like that other big MMO and therefore a cross server LFD tool might be the only way to go in this case.
Since the game design doesn't encourage/reward social interaction in a signifcant (again, almost mandatory) manner, players will never get to complete the group content and that doesn't make much sense either.
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the counter excuse to this I keep hearing is this game is loaded with group content.. yes there are plenty of heroics yes there are flashpoints ect but the big feature the main class story is almost a completely solo afair.. aside from maybe a small handfull of quests any part of it can be easily soloed. Companions like said several times in this thread is just another way this game not only makes things easier to solo but even takes away many reasons to group.. In the past pet classes were general the go to solo class but now EVERYONE can be the go to solo class even less and less incentive to group.. I really don't see why people are so blinded to think just because games years and years ago didn't need or have a dungeon finder that this game would benefit greatly from one... also I'm fine with no cross server stuff like Rift has but something would be very welcome
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
DDO had a pretty good system for forming groups. Being able to advertise your group on a browsable board like that was great. I'm against an automatic matching system like WoW has but tools to help form groups can be useful.
either you have zero experience with LFD, or have been extremely lucky with it. People do not socialize in LFD groups generally.
I still need convincing that a LFD system is not needed for when the population reaches cap and lower level flashpoints are all but abandoned unless you have a 50 guildy or 2 to run you through. Time will tell.
I WOULD like a better lfg listing, where you could select individual flashpoints and your roll to be listed for. The current lfg system is very disorganized. Just something more intuative for listing yourself and searching through.
I play a healer, and it does take some spamming to get a group together for a flashpoint, even on a full server.
This is what I do and I haven't failed to find a group yet. However, I haven't tried any flashpoints yet, so there may be an issue with that. I don't think you can just go hang around at a flashpoint.
I don't think I have ever seen an as devisive thing in a mmo as the whole LFD thing
some people love it some hate, some are somewhere in betwen, so whatever bioware does someone is going to be pissed...
all lies you must not be social or have a guild or a pile of friends playing the game to group with... in all seriousness many people are having this issue and this is on full servers with a just released game I can't even imagine how bad its going to be when half the population is at level cap
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Wow, I really don't understand the belief that spamming general chat for groupmates is "social interaction." I mean, it's almost the equivalent of spamming a personals ad over and over.
"Look ma, I'm gonna Socialize!"
"Tank seeking healer for Essels!"
"Tank seeking healer!"
"Wow! I love randomly screaming into a crowd that is largely deaf to my pleas, socializing is so much fun!"
"Tank seeking healer..."
"Tank seeking..."
"Ah F*** it!"
<Puts gun in mouth and pulls trigger>
LFD is in and of itself, not that bad. The only reason it got such a bad rap was that it was cross-server in WoW, and you wound up hardly ever grouping with the same people twice (anonymity). If LFD was in the game, but was either single server, or 2-3 server group, then I think it would be fine.
In fact, it would ENCOURAGE social interaction because you would probably wind up teaming with the same folks multiple times. If implemented well, it could even have features like "preferring" to group you with people on your friends list.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
I have to say at this point I rather they didn't at this point. If it appears to be a great need later then fine. But right now I rather the community come together and folks learn to work together and build up their friend's list to work from. Some of my best playing times were when the LFD option was not in WoW and when I played FFXI where it never really existed (during my playing time that is). All the other games never kept my attention that long anyway. So I am definitely okay with it not being available just now. Not seeing an over need for it as it is but that is only from my perspective as getting groups has been easy.
exactly....i really can't see why so many people find this point such a hard concept, honestly the argument it takes away from social interaction is just so ridiculous it makes me laugh
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
A hell of a lot more than in general or trade chat. My real socialization comes in with the guild I'm with and not my friends list or some random pug. People are supporting that LFD destroys the socialization aspect when 1. the game has very little socialization beyond guilds and those who dwell in general chat and 2. that spamming trade/general chat does not proived any socialization which in fact would hinder socialization because people will avoid the channel just to talk because of the spamming.
it still amazes me how people defend LFD with the same argument over and over yet all this forces is general chat spams instead of a que letting people actual interact while waiting for the LFD que and letting general chat actually be about game topics instead of LFG!!! and I agree most social interaction in any MMO comes from guild chat
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
*shrug* All casuals I know of that in-game support the LF and I've yet to come across someone that opposes it.
Regardless there needs to be some LFD tool available even if it's simpely an LFG global channel. As it stands one needs to be standing round the FP zone just to be in the same general channel. And no one wants trade channel being flooded with LFM messages.
This will ruin the game for 90% of players.
The other 10% will make friends and learn thier class and hot to play with others. Players will find they dont always need a " full group" or a perfect group. if a company like Biowrae cannot make a game that does not need that perfect group then god help us all.
Good news for me. i might actually buy it now.
Yes I always liked DDOs LFG panel but in the end it's the same as WoW's LFD because you have elitest.... but one can post things like "Skipping Convo Scenes" which is the equivilent to "ZERGing" posts in DDO.
But DDO was heavily grp oriented at least originally which is not so much for SWTOR.
IMO, LFD is really only opposed by hardcore forumites who blame LFD for a bad experience they had in WoW. Personally, I used LFD a lot in WoW and I had both good and bad experiences...much like if I had found a PUG group in general chat.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
true and I still yet to hear a valid argument as to why this game would not benefit from a LFD tool
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Hmm that whole "encourages social interation" just goes to show imo the total lack of MMO experiance BW has as that no way no how improves social interaction. Step 1: Put in LFG for Heoric, Step 2: Get grp together, Step 3: Complete heroic, : Step 4 quite grp. How does this imporve social interaction? If they wanted social interaction then they should have not done a tremendous amount of solo content.