I just wanna wait a few days to see what the ¨haters¨ have to say about swtor, A mass exodus?, just lol. The population in the game is not droping at all, is growing so ill be back here after the 19th. Tor sold like 1 mill of copies just on december but we have people talking about a mass exodus.
Six years ago this game would have been a successful and worthy game, in 2012 it's almost embarassing. I'm happy people enjoy it but I'm quitting before my month is up, and it's sort of worrying people find anything good here - except for lightsabers, of course. This game will crash & burn (mark my words) in the some way WAR did and RIFT is on the path to. There is absolutely no reason to play this instead of WOW, and believe me, I hate wow.
Can some developer somewhere, anywhere, please make a game that advances the genre and is worth playing?
And then you have to look at what SWTOR cost - which is a really difficult question to answer.
i) what the game cost to make. Maybe $120M. Basically Bioware's headcount cost. (Say 1200 man years at $100k a year for salary, company taxes, medical, dental, 401k etc. Put your own numbers in but supposedly over 400 people were working on the game last year.)
ii) what the game cost EA. Two part answer: EA Bioware's headcount cost (say $110M) plus what was included in the price that EA paid for Bioware and Pandemic. $620M cash - 12 titles to date, an extra $54M ( a 1/12) maybe: $164M.
iii) what the game cost EA shareholders. A part of the Bioware / Pandemic purchase price was in stock options - resulting in the widely reported $860M purchase price. EA's shareholders picked up the bill for the extra '$240M'. They were performance based but assiming they were 'worth' $240M taking 1/12 as above would be an extra $20M to give a cost of $184M.
So -
No surprise that you see such a wide range of numbers for 'what SWTOR cost'.
Pretty big number though and initial sales alone are not going to recoup the cost.
Bioware doesn't make only SWTOR, they also made the Dragon Age and Mass Effect series and gained revenues from it. Considering people that worked on SWTOR, a lot of them weren't there the full 5 years, but temporarily hired, for the period of time they were needed. Point iii is irrelevant and too wild a guess, since purchasing a company is a longterm investment and isn't dependent on 1 game especially if the company develops multiple games during the years.
I have been level 50 for 2 weeks now. I have full epic champion gear, 400 on crew skills (with epics made, medpak n so on), but I havent really touched on pve yet. The valor grind (for top pvp gear) is becoming to repedative.... I am getting bored with pvp fast. They need to make Ilum viable (no one fights there on my server. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind to taking long (I played lineage 2 for 3 years) but they need to add a sense of achievement in pvp.
Can't comment on pve but im going to get stuck into that over the next week or so... but I assume I will let my subscription run out. Main reason: Not enough focus on pvp (cant even queue bg's with ops grp... sad)
If the Exodus hasn't begun yet, then it sure will come the end of the free month. This is something inherent to most MMOs, just not TOR.
That said, the SWTOR post-free month Exodus will be of Biblical proportion once people realise that this is a shallow CORPG at best. Excluding the hardcore SW fannerds of course. And those playing SWTOR to bide their time until something better rolls along*.
(* word of advice, there are tonnes of better themeparks out there. While none boast the fun levelling experience of TOR, they actually have fun mechanics of substance such as combat, or class sytems. Try RIFT, AoC or even WoW)
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
Six years ago this game would have been a successful and worthy game, in 2012 it's almost embarassing. I'm happy people enjoy it but I'm quitting before my month is up, and it's sort of worrying people find anything good here - except for lightsabers, of course. This game will crash & burn (mark my words) in the some way WAR did and RIFT is on the path to. There is absolutely no reason to play this instead of WOW, and believe me, I hate wow.
Can some developer somewhere, anywhere, please make a game that advances the genre and is worth playing?
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Why do you post this as "fact"???? Let me help you out..... There is absolutely no reason FOR YOU to play this instead of WoW.
Six years ago this game would have been a successful and worthy game, in 2012 it's almost embarassing. I'm happy people enjoy it but I'm quitting before my month is up, and it's sort of worrying people find anything good here - except for lightsabers, of course. This game will crash & burn (mark my words) in the some way WAR did and RIFT is on the path to. There is absolutely no reason to play this instead of WOW, and believe me, I hate wow.
Can some developer somewhere, anywhere, please make a game that advances the genre and is worth playing?
*edit for typos
Why do you post this as "fact"???? Let me help you out..... There is absolutely no reason FOR YOU to play this instead of WoW.
Goodness are you still going on with the trite old "opinion vs. fact" things? Yawn.
Here, feel better, "in my opinion there is absolutely no reason to play this instead of WOW." Does that make your little fanboi heart feel better?
Six years ago this game would have been a successful and worthy game, in 2012 it's almost embarassing. I'm happy people enjoy it but I'm quitting before my month is up, and it's sort of worrying people find anything good here - except for lightsabers, of course. This game will crash & burn (mark my words) in the some way WAR did and RIFT is on the path to. There is absolutely no reason to play this instead of WOW, and believe me, I hate wow.
Can some developer somewhere, anywhere, please make a game that advances the genre and is worth playing?
*edit for typos
Why do you post this as "fact"???? Let me help you out..... There is absolutely no reason FOR YOU to play this instead of WoW.
Goodness are you still going on with the trite old "opinion vs. fact" things? Yawn.
Here, feel better, "in my opinion there is absolutely no reason to play this instead of WOW." Does that make your little fanboi heart feel better?
Give him some slack he's new to forum pvp and opinion versus fact argument is the first argument they learn from forum pvp school.
The real mass exodus will happen when the new mmo's come out this year - there are a LOT of players that will continue with swtor for now simply out of boredom and the feeling of "nothing else to play."
So according to the server lst all us well, but the game FEELS dead when I play it, I hardly see anyone, maybe like 20 people on the fleet, but out questing I can go hours without seeing anyone.
You write a post that assumes something.. you say negative things and even toss out insults. Then you complain that site allows trolling? Seriously?
If someone posts they like a game a bunch of people descend on them to tell them their opinion is wrong.
If someone doesn't like a game... they are a former swg player.. a hater.. a troll or hope the game fails.
Much logic you have. (yes I meant to word it like that).
Maybe people are sick of the same old game being released.. yet even then it descends into some discussion about WoW even tho WoW didn't invent the mechanic people are sick of.
There are few new MMO releases and most of them are relatively the same game. Yep TOR said exactly what it would be but that doesn't make people wrong for wanting something else in a very stagnant market.
Nor does it make them former swg players, haters or trolls by default. Just as your opinion is no more fact than someone else, nor is it more important.
People who are enjoying a game should be off playing it... people in general come to forums becuase they have an issue or are bored. Which is pretty much why its the same chat as /general.
oh and yes it amazes me how much time people enjoying a game have... to troll forums in defense or a product they didn't create and have no stake it... nor is their enjoyment diminished because someone else doesn't like it.
I usually agree with your posts, but come on. SO fans of a game shouldn't frequent forums for that game? I mean really? Really? They should play that game 24/7?
It really sounds like what you're saying is, if I like the game, I have no business coming here, nor contradicting anything someone who doesn't has to say.
Another issue I have with posts like this is name calling works both ways, I don't see you here lecturing the other-side about the usage of the word fanboi, why be so selective? The fact of the matter is it takes two to tango, meaning both sides add to this drama, both sides post ridiculous statements, both sides are equally guilty. This thread is a perfect example of that, as both sides have been posting bait left and right.
The last sentence exemplifies the level of bias in this post, again what about the other end of the spectrum? Are they somehow above your ridicule?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Even the fanbois starts to see the truth about how shallow and bland SWTOR really is, the snowball effect has started.
SWTOR may have decided to focus on VO instead of other things, but that doesn't mean it can't or won't be added later.
Just curious but, I wonder just how long this "it's coming soon™" excuse is going to work on the general MMO gaming public. At what point to we start to realize that in fact it's most likely not coming nor ever will?
They play us all for fools, perhaps it's time we at least recognize this continued practice of false promises. Just a thought.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Just curious but, I wonder just how long this "it's coming soon™" excuse is going to work on the general MMO gaming public. At what point to we start to realize that in fact it's most likely not coming nor ever will?
They play us all for fools, perhaps it's time we at least recognize this continued practice of false promises. Just a thought.
Depends on what you're saying here, are we judging Bioware based on other companies in the MMO world, should we judge them based on other companies in the MMO world? Considering TOR is just barely a month old, I can't really judge their content additions on their efforts alone, the slope which you've postitioned your point on is a very slippery one.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
There are a lot of people playing SWTOR. However, I've never seen a game so hated by so many so quickly.
Really? A quick forum search will debunk that, hell most games in the last few years got this level of hate before launch, as they had Open Betas. Some games it was so bad there was nothing good said within the majority of posters overall statements, many detractors at least have good things to say about this game. It just fails in ways most important to them.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
There are a lot of people playing SWTOR. However, I've never seen a game so hated by so many so quickly.
Really? A quick forum search will debunk that, hell most games in the last few years got this level of hate before launch, as they had Open Betas. Some games it was so bad there was nothing good said within the majority of posters overall statements, many detractors at least have good things to say about this game. It just fails in ways most important to them.
STO got ripped to shreds, deservedly or not. {mod edit}
There are a lot of people playing SWTOR. However, I've never seen a game so hated by so many so quickly.
Really? A quick forum search will debunk that, hell most games in the last few years got this level of hate before launch, as they had Open Betas. Some games it was so bad there was nothing good said within the majority of posters overall statements, many detractors at least have good things to say about this game. It just fails in ways most important to them.
STO got ripped to shreds, deservedly or not.
{mod edit}
You beat me to it. STO wins hands down for post launch rage. I've never seen so many "I Quit" threads in an official forum before. On TOR it's mostly complaints about FPS and PVP. But very few are making a point to let everyone know that they are quiting on the official forums. I believe the reason for that is Cryptic blatently lied about many aspects of their game while TOR was very accurate on what this game was going to be about. If you went into TOR expecting anything different than a story centric PVE game, then that was your fault.
Just curious but, I wonder just how long this "it's coming soon™" excuse is going to work on the general MMO gaming public. At what point to we start to realize that in fact it's most likely not coming nor ever will?
They play us all for fools, perhaps it's time we at least recognize this continued practice of false promises. Just a thought.
Depends on what you're saying here, are we judging Bioware based on other companies in the MMO world, should we judge them based on other companies in the MMO world? Considering TOR is just barely a month old, I can't really judge their content additions on their efforts alone, the slope which you've postitioned your point on is a very slippery one.
Doesn't really matter imo; when people decide they have 'finished' the existing content they can unsub - and based on other games this is what they do.
They can drop the sub and buy something else. Come back when enough 'new content' has been added, the bugs, the UI, the responsivemess issues, optimisation, server populations and so forth. Maybe play LucasArts Star Wars Kinnect - supposed to be about Star Wars oddly enough. Or maybe play the new story driven space game that comes out in March, could appeal to devotees of Bioware (ME3).
People have options but don't worry .... the subs will be coming ... when the content merits it. And if some believe the content justifies the sub - fine; what happens in other games however suggests that people chop and change.
As to level of hate I don't see it. There are some, obviously and some ardent fanbois who would probably defend the game if it was down for 30 days a month. What I detect is that SWTOR is an OK game; not bad but also not great enough to make people stick around.
Reminds me of DDO another 'OK' game, no real hate, some fanbois - good graphics, launch, etc. etc, but the biggest complaint: it lacked content and people didn't feel it was worth the sub. And guess what the response was: "content is coming".
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I just wanna wait a few days to see what the ¨haters¨ have to say about swtor, A mass exodus?, just lol. The population in the game is not droping at all, is growing so ill be back here after the 19th. Tor sold like 1 mill of copies just on december but we have people talking about a mass exodus.
Six years ago this game would have been a successful and worthy game, in 2012 it's almost embarassing. I'm happy people enjoy it but I'm quitting before my month is up, and it's sort of worrying people find anything good here - except for lightsabers, of course. This game will crash & burn (mark my words) in the some way WAR did and RIFT is on the path to. There is absolutely no reason to play this instead of WOW, and believe me, I hate wow.
Can some developer somewhere, anywhere, please make a game that advances the genre and is worth playing?
*edit for typos
Bioware doesn't make only SWTOR, they also made the Dragon Age and Mass Effect series and gained revenues from it. Considering people that worked on SWTOR, a lot of them weren't there the full 5 years, but temporarily hired, for the period of time they were needed.Point iii is irrelevant and too wild a guess, since purchasing a company is a longterm investment and isn't dependent on 1 game especially if the company develops multiple games during the years.
Well, it IS a casual MMO so ... are you surprised? Maybe they need to add some minigames...
I have been level 50 for 2 weeks now. I have full epic champion gear, 400 on crew skills (with epics made, medpak n so on), but I havent really touched on pve yet. The valor grind (for top pvp gear) is becoming to repedative.... I am getting bored with pvp fast. They need to make Ilum viable (no one fights there on my server. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind to taking long (I played lineage 2 for 3 years) but they need to add a sense of achievement in pvp.
Can't comment on pve but im going to get stuck into that over the next week or so... but I assume I will let my subscription run out. Main reason: Not enough focus on pvp (cant even queue bg's with ops grp... sad)
If the Exodus hasn't begun yet, then it sure will come the end of the free month. This is something inherent to most MMOs, just not TOR.
That said, the SWTOR post-free month Exodus will be of Biblical proportion once people realise that this is a shallow CORPG at best. Excluding the hardcore SW fannerds of course. And those playing SWTOR to bide their time until something better rolls along*.
(* word of advice, there are tonnes of better themeparks out there. While none boast the fun levelling experience of TOR, they actually have fun mechanics of substance such as combat, or class sytems. Try RIFT, AoC or even WoW)
"Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."
I need to take this advice more.
Why do you post this as "fact"???? Let me help you out..... There is absolutely no reason FOR YOU to play this instead of WoW.
Goodness are you still going on with the trite old "opinion vs. fact" things? Yawn.
Here, feel better, "in my opinion there is absolutely no reason to play this instead of WOW." Does that make your little fanboi heart feel better?
Give him some slack he's new to forum pvp and opinion versus fact argument is the first argument they learn from forum pvp school.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
The real mass exodus will happen when the new mmo's come out this year - there are a LOT of players that will continue with swtor for now simply out of boredom and the feeling of "nothing else to play."
Even the fanbois starts to see the truth about how shallow and bland SWTOR really is, the snowball effect has started.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
Ok chicken little...
So according to the server lst all us well, but the game FEELS dead when I play it, I hardly see anyone, maybe like 20 people on the fleet, but out questing I can go hours without seeing anyone.
I usually agree with your posts, but come on. SO fans of a game shouldn't frequent forums for that game? I mean really? Really? They should play that game 24/7?
It really sounds like what you're saying is, if I like the game, I have no business coming here, nor contradicting anything someone who doesn't has to say.
Another issue I have with posts like this is name calling works both ways, I don't see you here lecturing the other-side about the usage of the word fanboi, why be so selective? The fact of the matter is it takes two to tango, meaning both sides add to this drama, both sides post ridiculous statements, both sides are equally guilty. This thread is a perfect example of that, as both sides have been posting bait left and right.
The last sentence exemplifies the level of bias in this post, again what about the other end of the spectrum? Are they somehow above your ridicule?
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Just curious but, I wonder just how long this "it's coming soon™" excuse is going to work on the general MMO gaming public. At what point to we start to realize that in fact it's most likely not coming nor ever will?
They play us all for fools, perhaps it's time we at least recognize this continued practice of false promises. Just a thought.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Depends on what you're saying here, are we judging Bioware based on other companies in the MMO world, should we judge them based on other companies in the MMO world? Considering TOR is just barely a month old, I can't really judge their content additions on their efforts alone, the slope which you've postitioned your point on is a very slippery one.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
All I know is this:
There are a lot of people playing SWTOR. However, I've never seen a game so hated by so many so quickly.
Really? A quick forum search will debunk that, hell most games in the last few years got this level of hate before launch, as they had Open Betas. Some games it was so bad there was nothing good said within the majority of posters overall statements, many detractors at least have good things to say about this game. It just fails in ways most important to them.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
STO got ripped to shreds, deservedly or not. {mod edit}
You beat me to it. STO wins hands down for post launch rage. I've never seen so many "I Quit" threads in an official forum before. On TOR it's mostly complaints about FPS and PVP. But very few are making a point to let everyone know that they are quiting on the official forums. I believe the reason for that is Cryptic blatently lied about many aspects of their game while TOR was very accurate on what this game was going to be about. If you went into TOR expecting anything different than a story centric PVE game, then that was your fault.
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Doesn't really matter imo; when people decide they have 'finished' the existing content they can unsub - and based on other games this is what they do.
They can drop the sub and buy something else. Come back when enough 'new content' has been added, the bugs, the UI, the responsivemess issues, optimisation, server populations and so forth. Maybe play LucasArts Star Wars Kinnect - supposed to be about Star Wars oddly enough. Or maybe play the new story driven space game that comes out in March, could appeal to devotees of Bioware (ME3).
People have options but don't worry .... the subs will be coming ... when the content merits it. And if some believe the content justifies the sub - fine; what happens in other games however suggests that people chop and change.
As to level of hate I don't see it. There are some, obviously and some ardent fanbois who would probably defend the game if it was down for 30 days a month. What I detect is that SWTOR is an OK game; not bad but also not great enough to make people stick around.
Reminds me of DDO another 'OK' game, no real hate, some fanbois - good graphics, launch, etc. etc, but the biggest complaint: it lacked content and people didn't feel it was worth the sub. And guess what the response was: "content is coming".
It occurs to me
the game won't flop, because in general - shit sells
top rated MMOs - WOW, RIFT, AION
top rated TV shows, stuff like the X factor
top rated movies, stuff like micheal bays movies
top rated books, stuff like the davinchi code
Don't forget music = best sellers= Justin Bieber
Is this the first mass exodus thread, the third? or the fifth?