Proof that mmorpg.com is on the EA Payroll.

karmath

So I just got a very interesting email from Danny Wojcicki a recently fired staff member of mmorpg.com.

He states he was fired for giving SWTOR a 6/10, which most people agree was the most fair and competent review. http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/367/feature/5947/Star-Wars-The-Old-Republic-The-Staff-Roundtable-Review.html

I've been ranting on for ages how a plethora of sites including mmorpg.com are either directly getting money for good ratings or are scared to give honest ratings due to loosing advertising revenue.

Keep in mind that gamespot.com got publicly busted for this in 2007. Google Jeff Gerstmann and edios/gamespot for articles.

 

tixylix

I think the review of the game is correct but I would have gotten rid of that guy too. He has made several posts over different forums bragging that he is the only one that didn't like it and since he spammed forums everywhere including out inboxes about injustice. No your review is fine but you're just a dickhead and I wouldn't want him working for the site either.

Though I think the MMO "staff" do a really bad job themselves and this site ahs gone down the shitter over the years.

karmath

Originally posted by tixylix

I think the review of the game is correct but I would have gotten rid of that guy too. He has made several posts over different forums bragging that he is the only one that didn't like it and since he spammed forums everywhere including out inboxes about injustice. No your review is fine but you're just a dickhead and I wouldn't want him working for the site either.

Though I think the MMO "staff" do a really bad job themselves and this site ahs gone down the shitter over the years.

So posting that he doesnt like SWTOR makes him a dick worthy of being fired? Ok then!

tixylix

Originally posted by karmath

Originally posted by tixylix

I think the review of the game is correct but I would have gotten rid of that guy too. He has made several posts over different forums bragging that he is the only one that didn't like it and since he spammed forums everywhere including out inboxes about injustice. No your review is fine but you're just a dickhead and I wouldn't want him working for the site either.

Though I think the MMO "staff" do a really bad job themselves and this site ahs gone down the shitter over the years.

So posting that he doesnt like SWTOR makes him a dick worthy of being fired? Ok then!

If it's an average joe than they can do what they want and post the same thing on every fourm if they want. However you lose integrity as a site staff member if you're going to make posts on other forums like "I'm the only one that didn't like SWTOR" like the one over on the Darkfall forums. That is when loads of people can point that move out on these forums and say mmorpg.com sucks and have biased reviewers etc etc.

So I would have gotten rid of him myself purely based on that because it ruins the integrity of the site.

 

+ What he is doing now by spamming everyones inbox just proves they made the right choice.

NBlitz

Didn't anybody read Bill's post?

 

Just hopping in the locked thread to let you all know the reasons why Danny won't be paid to write for MMORPG.com anymore.

It has nothing to do with the actual article he's since posted in this thread, and in our User Reviews section of the site.  I was prepared to post it here as "Why I Don't Like SWTOR", a piece that would give players who are not fans of BioWare's latest a viewpoint that they can sympathize with.  Despite the article's somewhat one-sided deragatory nature, we were working out with Danny an article where he would debate against a fan of SWTOR the merits and demerits of the game.  

Then we saw he'd already posted the entire review you saw in the OP here on the Darkfall forums... which we were going to pay him $50 for. Then it came to our attention he'd been doing the same with other content for the Guru sites as well.  And of course, let's not forget the "I'm Awesome" thread.

It's one thing to share your content with your friends.  It's another to post content we're paying for on other sites before we even get to post it.  Upon speaking further with Danny in private emails, I realized that he's just not the type of writer I'd want representing this site.  Not because of his predaliction towards cynicism (in fact, I'm fond of that as an editorial context), but because of the way in which he seems to want little more than to grab attention for that viewpoint.  Validation through "hear-hear" and nothing more.  It became increasingly clear that he could not be objective in his writing, and whether you agree with our reviews or not, I'm sure you can see that they do try to give two sides of a coin.

I wish Danny all the best in his future endeavors, but as a reviewer and writer here at MMORPG.com, the shoe just didn't fit.

EDIT: We are still pressing on with the Good Cop/Bad Cop SWTOR article, due out at the end of this month or the beginning of next.  Just not with Danny involved.

 

Anyone care to comment about the post?

AutemOx

Not only did they fire him for giving SWTOR a low review but they post tons and tons of + stuff about TOR, use banhammer liberally on anyone who opposes it, and they certainly will not allow this thread to live much longer.

djmtott

Originally posted by karmath

Originally posted by tixylix

I think the review of the game is correct but I would have gotten rid of that guy too. He has made several posts over different forums bragging that he is the only one that didn't like it and since he spammed forums everywhere including out inboxes about injustice. No your review is fine but you're just a dickhead and I wouldn't want him working for the site either.

Though I think the MMO "staff" do a really bad job themselves and this site ahs gone down the shitter over the years.

So posting that he doesnt like SWTOR makes him a dick worthy of being fired? Ok then!

It's that he was being a dick about it all, not because of what he thought of the game.

Either way, non-story here...

Malevil

You should post it into thread where they are bragging that there are only positive reviews of SW:TOR ... Funny thing is that BW locked thread where he posted his review in their forums with commets that there are enough threads where to discuss bugs and problems ... simply ROFL

I got that mail too and tbh dont know what to think about it as whole, even though I agreed with his review, not sure if that few senteces would be enough for EA to force mmorpg to kick him out ... 

troublmaker

Originally posted by karmath

Originally posted by tixylix

I think the review of the game is correct but I would have gotten rid of that guy too. He has made several posts over different forums bragging that he is the only one that didn't like it and since he spammed forums everywhere including out inboxes about injustice. No your review is fine but you're just a dickhead and I wouldn't want him working for the site either.

Though I think the MMO "staff" do a really bad job themselves and this site ahs gone down the shitter over the years.

So posting that he doesnt like SWTOR makes him a dick worthy of being fired? Ok then!

There is such a thing as professional courtesy.  Although some of the greatest reporters of our time might be right on a lot of things it does not make them desirable to work with.  Maybe this guy should post his review that he would have made and see what the difference is.  Maybe he was being auspiciously negative about the game.

A number doesn't have a particular value outside of a context.  If I say 6/10 maybe that's a really good score from me, maybe my standards are really high.  On the other hand maybe you know that an 8/10 on MMORPG means it is nothing special, 9/10 is a knock out and 10/10 is the game you should play without question.

If this guy wants to post his review there are tones of venues to do so especially with the name "the review MMORPG would not let me post" would get him tones of attention.  But as long as all he does is whine about losing his job and how bad the people at MMORPG are about it.... why should we care?

tixylix

Originally posted by NBlitz

Didn't anybody read Bill's post?

 

Just hopping in the locked thread to let you all know the reasons why Danny won't be paid to write for MMORPG.com anymore.

It has nothing to do with the actual article he's since posted in this thread, and in our User Reviews section of the site.  I was prepared to post it here as "Why I Don't Like SWTOR", a piece that would give players who are not fans of BioWare's latest a viewpoint that they can sympathize with.  Despite the article's somewhat one-sided deragatory nature, we were working out with Danny an article where he would debate against a fan of SWTOR the merits and demerits of the game.  

Then we saw he'd already posted the entire review you saw in the OP here on the Darkfall forums... which we were going to pay him $50 for. Then it came to our attention he'd been doing the same with other content for the Guru sites as well.  And of course, let's not forget the "I'm Awesome" thread.

It's one thing to share your content with your friends.  It's another to post content we're paying for on other sites before we even get to post it.  Upon speaking further with Danny in private emails, I realized that he's just not the type of writer I'd want representing this site.  Not because of his predaliction towards cynicism (in fact, I'm fond of that as an editorial context), but because of the way in which he seems to want little more than to grab attention for that viewpoint.  Validation through "hear-hear" and nothing more.  It became increasingly clear that he could not be objective in his writing, and whether you agree with our reviews or not, I'm sure you can see that they do try to give two sides of a coin.

I wish Danny all the best in his future endeavors, but as a reviewer and writer here at MMORPG.com, the shoe just didn't fit.

EDIT: We are still pressing on with the Good Cop/Bad Cop SWTOR article, due out at the end of this month or the beginning of next.  Just not with Danny involved.

 

Anyone care to comment about the post?

 

They need to make this an official news story.

 

I'd have got rid of him too based on that.

Metentso

They locked and right now deleted the thread to his review?

warmaster670

Originally posted by NBlitz

Didn't anybody read Bill's post?

 

Just hopping in the locked thread to let you all know the reasons why Danny won't be paid to write for MMORPG.com anymore.

It has nothing to do with the actual article he's since posted in this thread, and in our User Reviews section of the site.  I was prepared to post it here as "Why I Don't Like SWTOR", a piece that would give players who are not fans of BioWare's latest a viewpoint that they can sympathize with.  Despite the article's somewhat one-sided deragatory nature, we were working out with Danny an article where he would debate against a fan of SWTOR the merits and demerits of the game.  

Then we saw he'd already posted the entire review you saw in the OP here on the Darkfall forums... which we were going to pay him $50 for. Then it came to our attention he'd been doing the same with other content for the Guru sites as well.  And of course, let's not forget the "I'm Awesome" thread.

It's one thing to share your content with your friends.  It's another to post content we're paying for on other sites before we even get to post it.  Upon speaking further with Danny in private emails, I realized that he's just not the type of writer I'd want representing this site.  Not because of his predaliction towards cynicism (in fact, I'm fond of that as an editorial context), but because of the way in which he seems to want little more than to grab attention for that viewpoint.  Validation through "hear-hear" and nothing more.  It became increasingly clear that he could not be objective in his writing, and whether you agree with our reviews or not, I'm sure you can see that they do try to give two sides of a coin.

I wish Danny all the best in his future endeavors, but as a reviewer and writer here at MMORPG.com, the shoe just didn't fit.

EDIT: We are still pressing on with the Good Cop/Bad Cop SWTOR article, due out at the end of this month or the beginning of next.  Just not with Danny involved.

 

Anyone care to comment about the post?

why would they comment? it would go agaisnt there anti ToR agenda, i guess the op should look up teh definition of proof before he makes another thread.

Malevil

I havent seen Bills post and tbh it it as he said, I would fire Danny too.

karmath

Originally posted by warmaster670

Originally posted by NBlitz

Didn't anybody read Bill's post?

 

Just hopping in the locked thread to let you all know the reasons why Danny won't be paid to write for MMORPG.com anymore.

It has nothing to do with the actual article he's since posted in this thread, and in our User Reviews section of the site.  I was prepared to post it here as "Why I Don't Like SWTOR", a piece that would give players who are not fans of BioWare's latest a viewpoint that they can sympathize with.  Despite the article's somewhat one-sided deragatory nature, we were working out with Danny an article where he would debate against a fan of SWTOR the merits and demerits of the game.  

Then we saw he'd already posted the entire review you saw in the OP here on the Darkfall forums... which we were going to pay him $50 for. Then it came to our attention he'd been doing the same with other content for the Guru sites as well.  And of course, let's not forget the "I'm Awesome" thread.

It's one thing to share your content with your friends.  It's another to post content we're paying for on other sites before we even get to post it.  Upon speaking further with Danny in private emails, I realized that he's just not the type of writer I'd want representing this site.  Not because of his predaliction towards cynicism (in fact, I'm fond of that as an editorial context), but because of the way in which he seems to want little more than to grab attention for that viewpoint.  Validation through "hear-hear" and nothing more.  It became increasingly clear that he could not be objective in his writing, and whether you agree with our reviews or not, I'm sure you can see that they do try to give two sides of a coin.

I wish Danny all the best in his future endeavors, but as a reviewer and writer here at MMORPG.com, the shoe just didn't fit.

EDIT: We are still pressing on with the Good Cop/Bad Cop SWTOR article, due out at the end of this month or the beginning of next.  Just not with Danny involved.

 

Anyone care to comment about the post?

why would they comment? it would go agaisnt there anti ToR agenda, i guess the op should look up teh definition of proof before he makes another thread.

Your not a very bright cookie if you cant see why.

Yamota

Regardless of why they were firing that guy, the fact remains is that his review is the only one which would qualify as one which looks at the game and writes a critical review about it, taking into consideration all the short comings of the title. The other reviewers on this site, briefly mentions some of them, but ultimately do not seem to factor them into their scores.

I mean if you look at this title from a pure objective point of view, you would see that this game does not bring one single feature which is MMORPG specific. Everything from flashpoints to their instanced PvP are pure single player/co-op features. There are no world events like in Rift, there are no open RvR objectives and there are no public quests. These all put together would dictate a low score from an MMORPG point of view, even though the game is a good single player or Diablosque co-op RPG.

So if you are interested in the MMORPG genre as a whole there is no way that you can with a good conscience give this game a good score because it is trying to turn the Bioware signature single player RPGs into an MMORPG and slap a sub fee on it. If this trend continues us as gamers will not only face less real MMORPGs but also non-MMORPGS, which are traditionally B2P, into games which you have to pay a big initial fee and then a monthly one to keep playing it.

warmaster670

Originally posted by karmath

Keep in mind that gamespot.com got publicly busted for this in 2007. Google Jeff Gerstmann and edios/gamespot for articles.

 

I Didnt know rumours were fact, or did you not know that theres no proof whatsoever about that claim? sorry, but looking at something and saying what you think happened isnt proof.

 

 

warmaster670

Originally posted by karmath

Originally posted by warmaster670

Originally posted by NBlitz

Didn't anybody read Bill's post?

 

Just hopping in the locked thread to let you all know the reasons why Danny won't be paid to write for MMORPG.com anymore.

It has nothing to do with the actual article he's since posted in this thread, and in our User Reviews section of the site.  I was prepared to post it here as "Why I Don't Like SWTOR", a piece that would give players who are not fans of BioWare's latest a viewpoint that they can sympathize with.  Despite the article's somewhat one-sided deragatory nature, we were working out with Danny an article where he would debate against a fan of SWTOR the merits and demerits of the game.  

Then we saw he'd already posted the entire review you saw in the OP here on the Darkfall forums... which we were going to pay him $50 for. Then it came to our attention he'd been doing the same with other content for the Guru sites as well.  And of course, let's not forget the "I'm Awesome" thread.

It's one thing to share your content with your friends.  It's another to post content we're paying for on other sites before we even get to post it.  Upon speaking further with Danny in private emails, I realized that he's just not the type of writer I'd want representing this site.  Not because of his predaliction towards cynicism (in fact, I'm fond of that as an editorial context), but because of the way in which he seems to want little more than to grab attention for that viewpoint.  Validation through "hear-hear" and nothing more.  It became increasingly clear that he could not be objective in his writing, and whether you agree with our reviews or not, I'm sure you can see that they do try to give two sides of a coin.

I wish Danny all the best in his future endeavors, but as a reviewer and writer here at MMORPG.com, the shoe just didn't fit.

EDIT: We are still pressing on with the Good Cop/Bad Cop SWTOR article, due out at the end of this month or the beginning of next.  Just not with Danny involved.

 

Anyone care to comment about the post?

why would they comment? it would go agaisnt there anti ToR agenda, i guess the op should look up teh definition of proof before he makes another thread.

Your not a very bright cookie if you cant see why.

Ya, im not teh bright one, maybe instead of shoving your head in tehg round you should learn to read.

 

Also, usually when you respond to someone your post should, you know, m akes sense compared to the thing your responding to, which your post doesnt.

 

Really, take a few minutesd and look at your post before you post it next time, as the only why in my post is pointing out that no one who belives the OP is going to bother commenting on that cause it destroys your whole point.

 

Oh wait, i forgot, according to the internet you can do whatever you want whenever you want without consequences.

Yamota

Originally posted by Metentso

They locked and right now deleted the thread to his review?

Locked yes, deleted no. Check my signature.

allegria

Originally posted by NBlitz

Didn't anybody read Bill's post?

 

Just hopping in the locked thread to let you all know the reasons why Danny won't be paid to write for MMORPG.com anymore.

It has nothing to do with the actual article he's since posted in this thread, and in our User Reviews section of the site.  I was prepared to post it here as "Why I Don't Like SWTOR", a piece that would give players who are not fans of BioWare's latest a viewpoint that they can sympathize with.  Despite the article's somewhat one-sided deragatory nature, we were working out with Danny an article where he would debate against a fan of SWTOR the merits and demerits of the game.  

Then we saw he'd already posted the entire review you saw in the OP here on the Darkfall forums... which we were going to pay him $50 for. Then it came to our attention he'd been doing the same with other content for the Guru sites as well.  And of course, let's not forget the "I'm Awesome" thread.

It's one thing to share your content with your friends.  It's another to post content we're paying for on other sites before we even get to post it.  Upon speaking further with Danny in private emails, I realized that he's just not the type of writer I'd want representing this site.  Not because of his predaliction towards cynicism (in fact, I'm fond of that as an editorial context), but because of the way in which he seems to want little more than to grab attention for that viewpoint.  Validation through "hear-hear" and nothing more.  It became increasingly clear that he could not be objective in his writing, and whether you agree with our reviews or not, I'm sure you can see that they do try to give two sides of a coin.

I wish Danny all the best in his future endeavors, but as a reviewer and writer here at MMORPG.com, the shoe just didn't fit.

EDIT: We are still pressing on with the Good Cop/Bad Cop SWTOR article, due out at the end of this month or the beginning of next.  Just not with Danny involved.

 

Anyone care to comment about the post?

This is what I do not undersand about "bill's post" why add more fuel to a fire that no one really cares about ?

I mean, as unprofessional as it may have been for Danny to do what he did, it is just as unprofessional ( or even more ) for a current member of said company to discuss the nature of someones removal.

strange...

DarkPony

So ... where's the proof?

 

warmaster670

Originally posted by DarkPony

So ... where's the proof?

 

Didnt you know? proof is internet for what i believe

dubyahite

Disgruntled ex employee that got fired for Publicly acting foolish on other sites sends you an email an says something, that's proof?


Nice try, but my standards are a bit higher than that. Next time you think you jar some "proof" of this kind o thing, try to reach a little bit higher on the fact tree.

NBlitz

Originally posted by allegria

Originally posted by NBlitz

Didn't anybody read Bill's post?

 

Just hopping in the locked thread to let you all know the reasons why Danny won't be paid to write for MMORPG.com anymore.

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Anyone care to comment about the post?

This is what I do not undersand about "bill's post" why add more fuel to a fire that no one really cares about ?

I mean, as unprofessional as it may have been for Danny to do what he did, it is just as unprofessional ( or even more ) for a current member of said company to discuss the nature of someones removal.

strange...

I thought Bill's comment was pretty candid and personally I had never seen that before on this site. I'm surprised it was overlooked.

boubhs

SUCKS!!!

rounner

'Good cop bad cop' sounds like a Darwinism versus creationism debate where you're bullied into giving equal merit to an invalid position.

DerWotan

Now a lot of things make sense. People who are defending the game can be as rapid as they want but if you dare to do it the other way round and try to be reasonable you're getting bans for 3, 7 or whatever days.

Hope the guy will soon write for another site, loved his articles on a lot of things.