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You don't have to be a rocket sientist to understand SWTOR review stinks kickbacks.
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yes review have been biased since lobbying started existing ,its like people saying we dont support gold seller,?ya?countless site you visit everyday are owned by gold seller and in korea gold seller are legal so good luck if the guy is based in korea lol
I agree with what you said about the sad part invalidating his review. I don't think it's sad because it was rare or more truthful than positive reviews. It simply represented another viewpoint, one that you and many others share about the game.
People that enjoy the game, and write positive reviews, aren't less truthful than Danny's review was, they just have a different persepctive. Just as my perspective about the game is different from yours.
The sad part isn't that you lost the one true review of this game, but that you lost representation of your view. Not just your views of this game, but your views of what makes a good MMO.
There is nothing wrong with the people that like the game and praise it, just as there is nothing wrong with those that dislike the game and make truthful valid points about it. It's all a matter of perspective. Because of the writer's misconduct (and let's be clear, it was definitely misconduct in the context of his job at this site,) that perpective loses some representation in the media.
I don't think that the writer's views are invalidated by his conduct, but he has lost his platform to give voice those views to a large audience. He may have cast a shadow of doubt over his professionalism, but that doesn't make what he says any less valuable. It just means that this particular person doesn't know how to express himself. He let his emotion cloud his judgement, and ignored his role as a professional writer/journalist.
If anything, those of you that agree with his review should be very dissapointed in him. I hear a lot of people throwing around accusations at this site and others of being in the pocket of big companies all the time. People frequently question the professionalism of anyone that gives a game they hate a good review. There is little to no evidence to back these claims up, yet that doesn't stop people from making these accusations. When someone actually does post a review on this site that agrees with them, that person goes and screws it up by throwing their integrity and professionalism aside. This could have been a person you could point to who was "on your side" that would be an example of how to maintain integrity and honesty in their reviews, but instead he made a public display of how little he values those things.
It's hard to point at the postive reviewers, and make wild claims about their professionalism with no evidence, and then have a very public display of unprofessionalism from the other side.
On a side note, it's interesting that this ended up revealing how much this site pays for a review. $50 may seem like a good price to write a short article, but I imagine that the writer had to put a lot of time into research and actually playing a significant portion of the game to be able to write this up. How much time would we want a reviewer to put into a game before they write up a review? 10 hours? 20 hours? Even if it is only 10 hours plus the time required to write the review, $50 dollars would work out to less than minimum wage.
Of course, it's not really work if the guy is just playing video games right? I'd say that's probably wrong if the person really doesn't enjoy the game. Playing an MMO you hate feels worse than work sometimes.
If this is the going rate for a review around here, I'm not surprised the site is faced with issues like this, and I don't feel too badly for them.
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me i dont rely on review,you want to make your own mind check pokket ,she play swtor very often ,it is live ,she doesnt have a end game system so dont expect everything to be HD but check and countless other live on twitch,own3d,xfire etc etc etc
check it your self you ll see how the game beat!some do pvp,some world raid pvpve,some flashpoint,some rp!
and pokket on twitch ,release article often here about various stuff
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Well done, this really is what I would say to this matter, some are just jaded towards one side or the other that they cannot accept other ppl enjoying the game and different mechanics.
I dont like orange chocolate and I would write a poor review about it, but I know ppl who love it and that doesnt make their review of it less valid.
actually, i think this site is generally one sided. If people dont like a game, and tried it, posted why they dont like it. They get called a troll, and made fun of. WHy? oh because they didnt like it and since its the *new car of the manufacturing line* and smells fresh but its still the same shit floating about. People crucify him. i Tried SWTOR spent 30 hours ingame, also tried WOW and rift. Piss on them all. My score for them is 4/10. Nothing inovative bout them. Well rift would get he 6/10 least the attempted to change things a little bit. Gw2 seems like itll actually have alot of *new* adds to mmos but with the same old same old in their. i will play that game cuz gw1 was fun.
Fact is, if i see the game, see videos from other players on youtube ill play it. If i dont like it, Dont tell me why im wrong n your rite. I dont give a rats ass to here it. Also dont come on the internet acting smart with grammar check, ya just make an even bigger ass of your self as its the NET! you are a nobody here just like the rest of us ^_^. Srry to hear bout this dude, never read his stuff but still shitteh to loose extra income. 100 bucks says i get warned for this post for sum dumb random reason. Probally why i generally avoid postin that much here. Theirs my opinion and i dont care wat ya think of it as i'll still not reccomend crappy games that i dont like to people. Unless ofc its their kinda game then sure ill reccomend it, im not that evil :-P anyhow goin back to sleep, Srry if i just pissed in any1's cherrios XD
To all of you defending Danny's actions or bemoaning the actions of MMORPG.com, please pay attention to what Bill wrote in this paragraph. No other media outlet would have permitted this sort of behavior, especially the action in the first sentence.
It's another to post content we're paying for on other sites before we even get to post it. Upon speaking further with Danny in private emails, I realized that he's just not the type of writer I'd want representing this site. Not because of his predaliction towards cynicism (in fact, I'm fond of that as an editorial context), but because of the way in which he seems to want little more than to grab attention for that viewpoint. Validation through "hear-hear" and nothing more. It became increasingly clear that he could not be objective in his writing, and whether you agree with our reviews or not, I'm sure you can see that they do try to give two sides of a coin.
Highlighted a couple of other senteneces that also would justify his removal.
Edit: One more thing, stop with the demands for "proof", this is not a court of law, not every thing needs to be "proven"
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did i really read a couple of posts saying Danny wasn't professional and was biased?
So the positive reviewing sheeps saying "TOR is great because it made me stay up all night" are professional and objective?
This is disgusting! The site owners should be ashamed of themselves and ashamed to look at their children's faces.
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Almost all reviews here and at other gaming sites are based on low level content with under 20-30 hours of play mostly done solo. Even some of the worst MMO's we have seen are fun and well done at early levels.
The problem being that what needs to be reviewed is the max level content as game companies have long ago stopped making the journey the game and replaced it with easy levels, easy loot, easy everything that the game content gets consumed at ever increasing rate.
If the majority of the game content is over by max and all you have is raiding for loot, faction grinds, and bad repetitive pvp, that is what needs to be reviewed and scored as this what is going to keep players or have them to unsub, but it almost never gets done. Even re-reviews are normally based on the same early level content. Is the "end" content good enough, fun enough to keep me paying $15 a month or keep me buying stuff from the market.
I have long ago stopped taking any review of a game into consideration, in addition most of these sites rely on banner ad's from these same companies you do not bite the hand that feeds you.
The "proof" you can use, is a form of "proof through contradiction". Assume those of Jeff's coworkers that did resign shortly after Jeff was fired, did not do so due to Jeff being fired due to advertiser pressure, then what does that lead to? Common sense dictates, that a such assumption would lead to a contradiction; therefore, Jeff must have been fired due to advertiser pressure.
are you serious? Are you insane?
Are you saying, then, that any person who does something different from all others will always be an attention-whore?
And as long as he really believes in what he wrote, as long as he's sincere, doesn't he deserve the attention, because he's infact not afraid to be honest? Isn't the "attention" just a result of his sincere ideas?
How do you separate then, "attention grabbing" and "being honest", and how can you tell the first one is the cause of the second, instead of being the other way around?
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Once again, another feeble attempt by the haters to manipulate the truth and badmouth SWTOR.
Official reason why he was fired
And if you are too lazy to read that, then the gist of it is that he was posting reviews that MMORPG.com were paying him for on other sites before MMORPG.com had even posted them.
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It's not the review that was unprofessional, it was his actions. If this site is paying someone to write a review for them, they do so with the intention of posting it on their site to draw in pageviews and make money. If the person writing the review is posting it all over the internet before this site gets a chance to post it, the value of that review is lost. It is not worth paying for as it is no longer exclusive content.
If someone wants to pay me for something, and I take the money but start giving it away to everyone else for free, then I am ripping that person off. There is no reason for them to pay me for it any longer and they will stop doing business with me.
This site paid him for his content, then he went and posted it in other places. That is extremely unprofessional. Again, it's not about the words he wrote, but what he did with them.
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Huh?
1) Jeff was fired.
2) Co-workers quit their jobs too.
3) Co-workers did not quit due advertiser pressure.
Where is contradiction or even common sense there?
Um...the title of this thread is " Proof that mmorpg.com is on the EA Payroll." The OP is the one that claimed he had proof and has actually presented none.
If someone is going to claim that they have proof of something, but don't provide any, I would say it is justified to ask for proof from them. He's the one that used the word proof after all.
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Here we go. This is why I don't rely on reviews anymore. I'd rather they call them First Impression (+Gameplay if it's in video format) / First Look or something similar. Because that's what they really are.
Yeah, I would have fired him too for that and would most people here.
Ditto
I was assuming you read their statements and valued the psychological reasoning behind giving up a job. All information you need to read to see the contradiction isn't in my previous post; you'll have to read more. It won't make sense that they would give up their jobs that easily unless they were absolutely sure that Jeff was speaking the truth. Their employers had also plenty of time to give their concerned employees a believable explanation that contradicts Jeff's version. Evidently, they didn't otherwise those coworkers would not have resigned.
It lies in the interest of the employer, to keep their employees unless they have reason to fire them, in which case they would fire them. So if Jeff was fired due to a "justiable" cause, a small chitchat with a concerned employee, is all it takes to keep the employee and avoid the nuissance of hiring and introducing a new employee.
oh so he posted the review in other sites?
How do you know HE did it? How do you know a MMORPG.com man in black, or just some guy, didn't do it for him?
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it's just a game, right? All this drama over a fricking game? It's one thing when the users engage in this juvenile behavior, it's another when the staff seem to be no better. Honestly, if you like a game, play it, if you don't, move along.
His score was a rail against themeparks. It's like giving a drama a low score because you only like comedies. His bias is absurd and has no place along side legitimate reviews.
lol @ legit.
Because he posted them before they were published, that is what was so bad about it. If he posted it later on Guru I don´t think they would have fired him, just warn him at worst.
Unless someone hacked his computer and stole the material to post it he did it himself.
Quick break out the tinfoil hats.
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