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Current Graphs Showing Decline - (Found something interesting).

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  • AusareAusare Member Posts: 850

    Saddly I join in those leaving for now.  If the game improves I will return, but it needs something not sure what.

  • ArawulfArawulf Guest WriterMember UncommonPosts: 597

    Originally posted by Teala

    I find something rather interesting.  I know people keep saying you can't use xFire to measure the overall health of an MMO and it only shows the health of the game for those people that use xfire.   Cool, cool...if you want to believe that doesn't show the overall health of the game in general you're free to believe that.

    However, when matched against SWArena.com's graphic of server population numbers I saw something very intersting.   The peaks and valleys from the two graphics match up very well.   SWArena.com numbers take into account only SWTOR and it's player base.  It is weird that these two websites graphcs are so close to being the same(check out the peaks and valleys) it is, in my opinion, very telling.

    One thing is for certain, based on the numbers we're seeing from these two wesbites, SWTOR has lost a lot of players in just its first month.

     

     

    Even a SWTOR fanboi like myself cannot deny that some folks have lost some confidence in BioWare at this point due to the Illum fiasco and performance issues.  Some folks left in frustration and others aren't trying the game until the community makes it clear that the issues are resolved.

  • KwanseiKwansei Member UncommonPosts: 334

    Originally posted by Teala

    I find something rather interesting.  I know people keep saying you can't use xFire to measure the overall health of an MMO and it only shows the health of the game for those people that use xfire.   Cool, cool...if you want to believe that doesn't show the overall health of the game in general you're free to believe that.

     

    It's not  a  "free to believe it" sort of thing. A non-representative sample is exactly that. Learn about the difference between scientific polling and non-scitentific. I really think they need to replace things like geometry in public schooling with a good stats class. The world would be a much smarter place... well ideally anyways.

  • TJixleeTJixlee Member Posts: 159

    i cant wait till all the negative ppl leave and move on. then i can enjoy the game along with MANY others

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  • GibboniciGibbonici Member UncommonPosts: 472

    Originally posted by Teala

    I find something rather interesting.  I know people keep saying you can't use xFire to measure the overall health of an MMO and it only shows the health of the game for those people that use xfire.   Cool, cool...if you want to believe that doesn't show the overall health of the game in general you're free to believe that.

    However, when matched against SWArena.com's graphic of server population numbers I saw something very intersting.   The peaks and valleys from the two graphics match up very well.   SWArena.com numbers take into account only SWTOR and it's player base.  It is weird that these two websites graphcs are so close to being the same(check out the peaks and valleys) it is, in my opinion, very telling.

    One thing is for certain, based on the numbers we're seeing from these two wesbites, SWTOR has lost a lot of players in just its first month.

     

     



    Do you have a graph showing a correlation between people who aren't interested in playing a game and those who are keen to see it fail?

  • TJixleeTJixlee Member Posts: 159

    Originally posted by Gibbonici

    Originally posted by Teala

    I find something rather interesting.  I know people keep saying you can't use xFire to measure the overall health of an MMO and it only shows the health of the game for those people that use xfire.   Cool, cool...if you want to believe that doesn't show the overall health of the game in general you're free to believe that.

    However, when matched against SWArena.com's graphic of server population numbers I saw something very intersting.   The peaks and valleys from the two graphics match up very well.   SWArena.com numbers take into account only SWTOR and it's player base.  It is weird that these two websites graphcs are so close to being the same(check out the peaks and valleys) it is, in my opinion, very telling.

    One thing is for certain, based on the numbers we're seeing from these two wesbites, SWTOR has lost a lot of players in just its first month.

     

     



    Do you have a graph showing a correlation between people who aren't interested in playing a game and those who are keen to see it fail?

    just mark one up real quick... oh oh and say its from awesome website where all there facts are correct 100% of the time and not set on speculation and assumptions

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  • ClerigoClerigo Member UncommonPosts: 400

    I think it is fair to assume that ALL mmorpgs lose some of the player base in the first few months after the launch.

    This genre is being put to the test far too long and gamers patience and thirst for an "innovative" game is sure to throw down any new games player base down if that game fails to meet the expectations of players...

    ...did i just used the word "game" too many times???....image

  • TJixleeTJixlee Member Posts: 159

    Originally posted by Cavod

    [Mod Edit]

    YES SIR YOU ARE A GOD!

    nice read i actually read the entire wall post. and i have to say this is way too true

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  • DLangleyDLangley Member Posts: 1,407

    Stay on topic and do not personally attack other users.

  • ArkiniaArkinia Member Posts: 251

    Originally posted by jpnz

    Originally posted by Takiton


    Originally posted by sirphobos


    Originally posted by zymurgeist

    What you're looking at is people are playing fewer hours per day. It says nothing about subscription numbers either way.

     

    So thats two people who don't think there is any correlation there at all.    (I love SWTOR forums these days - Drink it in!)

    To go off-topic, am I the only one that browse the SWTOR forums for entertainment while at work?

    Only when compiling though, it takes 20mins. :(

    yes

  • ArkiniaArkinia Member Posts: 251

    Originally posted by TJixlee

    i cant wait till all the negative ppl leave and move on. then i can enjoy the game along with MANY others

    wait, what else would they have to do?

  • CavodCavod Member Posts: 295

    Originally posted by TJixlee

    Originally posted by Cavod

    [Mod Edit]

    YES SIR YOU ARE A GOD!

    nice read i actually read the entire wall post. and i have to say this is way too true

    Sorry it was erased, Tjixlee.  I'll try it again in a more 'appropiate' fashion.(I suppose)  Hopefully this time it will not be mislabeled as the "T" word.

     

    Dear kind OP, please be sure to read the faqs on the arena site about the graph you posted.  It's not actual player numbers but server load ratings.  As a gesture of good faith from a professional, I'd like to tip you off to the fact that BW has adjusted the server load rating values multiple times to compensate for their increasing loads at launch.





    When I look at the graph, I humbly regret to inform you that I don't see peaks and valleys matching up at all in the way inferred.   What I do see is the standard trend commonly familiar to every MMO at launch.  I also see both charts reflecting server maintenance down times and peak hours which are the extremes which will always be similar-to-exact places on a graph.  I implore you to consider this fact the next time you survey graphs.





    A respectful note about server load ratings, they have nothing to do with subscription numbers as they only show how many people are playing.  I've humbly come to observe that this tends to be a common and subtle nuance not perceived by those whom harbor great displeasure for said game.  If one finds ones' self in such a state of displeasure, it would be favorable(for all parties included) to remember that one's view will always have a tendency to skew towards one's opinion.





    Unfortunately to the original point, these graphs do not prove a loss.  On the contrary, they do prove a decline in overall hours spent playing.(even when compensating for server load rating adjustments)  When reviewing these chart, one must remember that less play time does not stipulate less subscribers.  We may ascertain that many variables affect these numbers.  For ease of understanding, I have included a list of examples!



    -vacation/holiday time no longer available

    -the fresh and exciting nature of 'the brand new' wearing off

    -those who've over-exerted themselves with said excitement

    -those who've remained unsmitten by the charms and wiles of said game

    -those who've already deduced their dislike and terminated access preemptively

    -a new episode of a series fond to one's heart

    -a fresh new strain of influenza

    -they've lost another child to diphtheria



    The list carries on but I fear my overcompensating response in regard to copious suppression has already caused this correcting essay to drone on beyond my inceptive aspiration.





    Verily, my thoughts expressed here are mere sophomoric notion relating to the original actualization of a massively multiplayer online role playing game.  Earnestly, I do confess, it get's tiresome to experience the continual disregard for history during each relevant occurrence.



    The game in question has yet had an opportunity to mature past even the earliest of indicative milestones.  If we may borrow from a neoteric specimen named "Rift", we can denote the revelation and acquisition of $100,000,000 in revenue despite impetuous criticism from cynics and naysayers.





    Best aspirations to you, original poster, as I cordially desire you have found the acute precociousness of this letter enlightening.

    We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.

  • CavodCavod Member Posts: 295

    Originally posted by DLangley

    Stay on topic and do not personally attack other users.

    You know, I'm greatly offended you found my legitimate post (which another user had already expressed acclaim for) as a 'troll' and deleted it yet took no actions against the real trolling in this thread.   Apparently I'm not even allowed to point out an obvious and honest observation as it'll be labeled as a 'personal attack'.  Also, 90% of my post was EXACTLY on topic so why not just edit out 'the bad' like I've seen done elsewhere? 

     

    Please be more considerate when exacting mod justice as I feel mislabeled and wronged while other violators remain untouched.

    We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.

  • BunksBunks Member Posts: 960

    Bahgdad Bob has now become Bioware bob

  • StoneRosesStoneRoses Member RarePosts: 1,815

    I can make graphs!

    MMORPGs aren't easy, You're just too PRO!
  • Zeal77Zeal77 Member Posts: 158

    Hi. I've been playing MMO's since 1999. I have never heard of xfire, I have never used xfire. I play SWTOR. There are millions of folks like me who don't use/ have never heard of xfire and play MMO's. I think there may be a flaw in your data/ assumptions.

  • NBlitzNBlitz Member Posts: 1,904

    Edit: play nice NB.

  • TealaTeala Member RarePosts: 7,627

    Originally posted by Zeal77

    Hi. I've been playing MMO's since 1999. I have never heard of xfire, I have never used xfire. I play SWTOR. There are millions of folks like me who don't use/ have never heard of xfire and play MMO's. I think there may be a flaw in your data/ assumptions.

    So..you have never heard of it.  20+ million other people have.   :)  Yes, xfire has 20+ million registered users.   Now whether all 20+ million are still registered..it kind of blows your "There are millions of folks like me who don't use/ have never heard of xfire and play MMO's" all to pieces.

  • pharazonicpharazonic Member Posts: 860

    Originally posted by jpnz

    I'm sure the fact the holiday season is over for people that work has nothing to do with this. XD

    I wasn't able to login the past 2 days due to work. :(

    Believe it or not but MMORPGs get more play during work weeks as opposed to holidays. 

    Summers and Christmas/New Years are the slow, lull periods in MMOs. 

     

    "Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."

    I need to take this advice more.

  • StoneRosesStoneRoses Member RarePosts: 1,815

    Originally posted by pharazonic

    Originally posted by jpnz

    I'm sure the fact the holiday season is over for people that work has nothing to do with this. XD

    I wasn't able to login the past 2 days due to work. :(

    Believe it or not but MMORPGs get more play during work weeks as opposed to holidays. 

    Summers and Christmas/New Years are the slow, lull periods in MMOs. 

     

    Really?

    I dunno, there are a lot of kids and College kids out of school!

    MMORPGs aren't easy, You're just too PRO!
  • pharazonicpharazonic Member Posts: 860

    Originally posted by Slowdoves

    Originally posted by pharazonic


    Originally posted by jpnz

    I'm sure the fact the holiday season is over for people that work has nothing to do with this. XD

    I wasn't able to login the past 2 days due to work. :(

    Believe it or not but MMORPGs get more play during work weeks as opposed to holidays. 

    Summers and Christmas/New Years are the slow, lull periods in MMOs. 

     

    Really?

    I dunno, there are a lot of kids and College kids out of school!

    Really. 

    Holidays see the rise of school kids playing and the fall of college kids/adults. 

     

    "Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."

    I need to take this advice more.

  • Jimmy562Jimmy562 Member UncommonPosts: 1,158

    Originally posted by Teala

    Originally posted by Zeal77

    Hi. I've been playing MMO's since 1999. I have never heard of xfire, I have never used xfire. I play SWTOR. There are millions of folks like me who don't use/ have never heard of xfire and play MMO's. I think there may be a flaw in your data/ assumptions.

    So..you have never heard of it.  20+ million other people have.   :)  Yes, xfire has 20+ million registered users.   Now whether all 20+ million are still registered..it kind of blows your "There are millions of folks like me who don't use/ have never heard of xfire and play MMO's" all to pieces.

    I hope you realize there are more than 20 million people in the world. 

  • Professor78Professor78 Member UncommonPosts: 611

    Yes I know Xfire is is a small snippet that just gives an indication of trends. But its being used in this thread so will comtimue to refer to it.

    So in regards again to all this "the holiday's are over thats why all games play time drops"

    I disagree with the Holiday rubbish, but agree with other points that all games lose players after lauch, and this is the only thing we are seeing...

    Here are examples, - "There is no holiday-over activity drops"

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/playtimez.jpg/

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  • StoneRosesStoneRoses Member RarePosts: 1,815

    Originally posted by Professor78

    Yes I know Xfire is is a small snippet that just gives an indication of trends. But its being used in this thread so will comtimue to refer to it.

    So in regards again to all this "the holiday's are over thats why all games play time drops"

    I disagree with the Holiday rubbish, but agree with other points that all games lose players after lauch, and this is the only thing we are seeing...

    Here are examples, - "There is no holiday-over activity drops"

    http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/641/playtimez.jpg/

    Awesome, more graphs!

    When I was unemployed the line was up a little, just a smig, actually it probably wasn't significant.

    MMORPGs aren't easy, You're just too PRO!
  • DM19DM19 Member UncommonPosts: 122

    Lol who needs graphs just look at your server i know mine has lost half and still going down  just by looking at the number of people on the planets

     

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