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So let me get this straight...
Anubisan
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In thread after thread in every forum on this site, I hear complaint after complaint about pretty much every game that is released. Every developer apparently does nothing right when designing games. They are also not due any time or leeway to remedy the problems in their game. It is either all or nothing.
Unless I am missing something, people on this site want a game like this:
Quantity of content on-par with games that have been out for nearly 10 years
0 bugs
0 lag
Pefectly balanced
AAA realistic graphics
Perfect performance (even on crap computers)
No unforseen problems with PvP
No other unforseen problems of any kind
Anything that falls short of these expectations is torn apart on the forums. Do people really believe these are realistic expectations? Especially from new games? It seems like expectations are really getting out of control these days. I have worked in the software industry for a long time and I have to tell you that it is virtually impossible to release something as complicated as an MMO with 0 problems...
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Sounds about right.
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Its fairly easy and reasonable to say that the quality of a game is based on opinion and not fact. One thing however that is not 'opinion' based and is fairly easy to proove is its rare for a game developer to release something on time. Why do we suppose this is? Is this how they all got A's in college so that they could work in the industry? hmmmm
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5 and 6 are valid points, I'm sick of people wanting fps like gfx in mmos, then moaning about performance. Mmos should look worse than single players and shooters - Ao they can, you know support massively multiple players online.
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agreed...pretty much sums up the sentiment of the mob posting such vitriol every day in these forums.
OR isn't SWG and the tears start flowin...
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
The majority of beta "testers" are there just for the free trial... My opinion anyway.
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To save you the trouble: no, people don't expect that list to be fulfilled and no, they won't tear it apart if it isn't fulfilled.
Don't forget 3 faction PvP, since that automagically balances itself out.
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I agree. A lot of people just beta test to check out the game. They don't ever bother to actually post bugs or assist the dev team in any way.
In fact, beta testers will often withhold information about exploits until the game is actually released so that they can dupe gold or otherwise cheat the system to get an edge on other players. It is just not possible to forsee every problem before the game is released in my opinion...
It is the solution to the inherent population-imbalance that plagues every 2-faction game. It automatically solves several imbalance issues, but not all issues.
Well I think all the games released lately have been crap from the get go. I lasted 3 quests in SWTOR (not unexpected since i like sandbox). Played Vanilla WOW for a while at least that was fun to play even though it did not have much depth. Loved EVE but due to personal preference stopped playing that (just did not like being in a ship 24/7).
Only good games for me over the last 5 or 6 years have been EVE and Darkfall. Darkfall has just not been updated at a pace that is acceptable.
Now if I could get Darkfall with SWTOR budget I would be more than willing to put up with some bugs and wait an ACCEPTABLE amount of time for things to get fixed.
I am just going to use SWTOR as an example on why it gets bashed so much.
It caters to your casual MMO player which
1. They do not have a lot of time to play and want instant gratification.
2. Is mostly story/pve based aka single player or multi player focused.
3. Most complaints I see on SWTOR are more along the lines of rpg with some multiplayer.
I am not going to go into more details because it would seem like I am picking on SWTOR when in reality its just the latest release. Almost all games released lately in the mmo market has done the exact same thing as SWTOR. They go after the mass market and when you do that you end up with your hardcore/heavy gamers not liking your product due to the fact that we have all been there, done that, and seen it better done in other games.
Just my 2 cents.
And just for info I stopped playing MMO's about 6 months ago due to the fact that NOTHING out now can hold my interest.
I am still waiting for Darkfall 2.0 and hoping it is the game it could have always been with some work:)
Many have said this but I've yet to understand why.
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Yes.
Welcome to Binary World. Only two options exist:
1) Everything is terrible, and we should all complain at every possible opportunity, on the slightest pretense.
2) If option 1) doesn't work for you, the opposite must be true: you're a corporate sycophant and it's your fault the games are deteriorating.
Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.
Many have said this but I've yet to understand why.
When 1 side has a large advantage the other 2 sides can team up to even things out. Look at the success of DAOC (dark age of camelot). It is still considered one of the best pvp mmo's out.
Everyone's different, but you forged a good list of most complaints.
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1) There should be enough content that people aren't max level with nothing to do after a week of release.
2) If you're releasing a "finished" product, there absolutely should be no major bugs, and if there are, the devs need to let players know that they acknowledge them and they're being worked on.
3) No AAA title should have lag issues. If devs beleive the game is ready to collect a supscription fee, it should be playable.
4) No MMO is ever perfectly balanced, but it should never be so broken that 90% of the population flocks to one class/faction/whatever. Beta testing happens for a reason.
5) I dont think as many people care if graphics are realistic so much as they dont want something that looks 10+ years old.
6) Any gaming computer built within the last 5 years should be able to play a new MMO smoothly with some level of graphical option adjustments.
7) Unforseen is unforseen. Again, devs just need to admit when they have a problem and let people know that they're working on fixing it.
8) see #2, #7
Players all have different tastes. No MMO will ever satisfy EVERY player, which is why there will always be someone to complain about it. No MMO should ever TRY to satisfy every player because the aspects designed to attract group A will make group B not want to play, and vice versa. You're speaking as though you expect everyone to like the same thing, which, if you work in the industry, you should know will never happen.
It just does balance better than 2. (but shouldn't be forced on games that naturally only support 2 sides like swtor)
It doesn't give perfect balance, but...... perfect balance is a BAD thing, that's what led to the profusion of crappy mini game pvp
can you name 2 of the 8 that TOR hit?
i cant...
nope. endgame content is limited to chilling at the fleet waiting for PvP queues or grinding another HM.
LMFAO... not even going to go into this one
see #2
"Perfect Balance" is hard to accomplish even for mature MMO's but at least a SMALL semblance of balance would be nice... IMHO
...really? 2011 MMO... and no high res? ... really?
with the way the game LOOKS... it SHOULD run perfectly... even on crap rigs. ...ah but it dont. even high end rigs have problems with it.
there will be issues... but after 5+ years of development there shouldnt be that many.
see #7.
The key to the statement in red above is that games need to actually be different in order for what you say to not be a huge problem and by and large MMOs are not different.
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Couldn't one faction grow too strong in that scenario? Like, faction A has 1000 players (or some other measurement of strength, I really don't know what type of game DAoC is unfortunately) while faction B and C only have 200 together?
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Yes, that can happen. It was called the albion zerg in DAOC. But that is one of the great things about DAOC. If one side got so out balanced they were easy to see. Then you would attack assets by going around them.
I used to have lots of fun watching 16-24 players killing 50+ of the other side due to skill/team effort.
When 1 side gets too many people they become sitting ducks for true pvp'ers due to the zerg mentality.
Man I used to watch fights where 50 people are chasing 8 players to try and kill them and they would just keep getting strung out. Then the other faction would come hit the zerg from behind and clean house due to all the people that used up all there stamina chasing the first set of people.
Games used to take tactics.
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One mob attacks games, another mob attacks those that attack games... the mentallity is the same. Lets stop being so high and mighty superior.
Yes, complaining is what keeps evolution and pretty much everything going forward. If there is nothing to improve then you are stuck.
AND I DO NOT!!! talk about a lifestyle: You can live a very, very comfortable life with this attitude. We are talking about games.
Games are something "material", in small degrees even something artistic. There is always stuff to improve, because people have different oppinions. And again other people do like opinions of other people.
Keep an open mind, that's what's the fountain of youth.
I do think that one should complain when they feel the desire to do so.
HOWEVER,
I dont think there is any evidence at all that our complaining has keep evolution going in the least.
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