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More Than 1.7 Million Active Subscribers 2/1/12 [EA Conf Call Discussion Thread]
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thats all fine and dandy but where arte all those players? http://www.swtor.com/server-status nothing but light and standard
look at the light server trend http://www.torstatus.net/shards/us/trends
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Awesome this thread is still going...
now to add fuel to the fire
http://www.darthhater.com/articles/swtor-news/19915-electronic-arts-q3-fy12-earnings-call
Keep the fight going guys!!
GOOOOOOOOOOOO
Edit :
Especially this part
Q: Are these 1.7 subscribers paying?
A: Active subscribers means anyone paying or in their trial period. Most of those 1.7m are paying at this point
Umm...only 18 of the 124 servers are light....check back in a hour during peak times....
The hate is getting comical lol
torstatus shows trends not just current.. also it is primetime here in the east coast
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
exactly how many users does 'light' and 'standard' mean in terms of the number of users? I'm assuming (correctly) that you have no idea.
The fact is, that's a pretty good retention rate considering what has happened to other MMO's post-launch.
Will it continue? I certainly don't know that. A lot will depend on how responsive BioWare is to the community and how quickly they roll out new content.
What is the actual difference between the two? From over 2M boxes sold to 1.7M active subscribers, the rest have not started playing yet or already unsubscribed past their first month. Of the 1.7M active subscribers less than half are still in their first free month. Their is no real difference in the two highlighted statements, they both mean the same thing as far as I can see. I fail to see what is "totally diff" there.
I would hardly consider 7pm "Prime time"....at 830 last night there wasnt a single light server. To each his own.
I am cynical enough to believe that market watch could have done such a huge "mistake". Which would a shame of course, since credibility is everything when it comes to newspapers and similar media outlets. Sleeping time though, expecting this thread to double in size before I wake up.
If 1.7m real subscribers (as in people who paid to continue playing after their free month was up) is true, which it may very well be, then Bioware and EA has every right to be proud for retaining so many players. From a business perspective they would have achieved something of art quality, even though the game is far from quality art from a game perspective.
whatever helps you sleep at night:)
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
It's actually not even twist or attempt more so at who believes who.
Bioware will soon state that Marketwatch was wrong or Market watch will update this correct?
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
You think there are over 300,000 people who bought the game who haven't played it yet? And I'm being naive?
You do realize they say most because not everyone bought the game at release. However the amount of people who purchased at release completely dwarfs those late comers still in trial time. In short, even if 100% of the late comers unsubbed after the free month, it would barely shake the overall number.
We can easily deduce at least 1.5m subscribers as of right now when over generously factoring in cancellations and not including the late comers who stay.
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
It could be cancelled orders that played in the pre-release period and returns of purchased boxes. Tor is a very polarizing game. As many that seem to like it hate it. There are few people that are middle ground.
no one knows what the numbers mean that's the point but people throw around these charts or numbers read in some statement as facts. All I know is my sith sorc is in balmorra right now and hardly see's a single person. Now this is in part due to the phasing but all the zones even fleet are much much more deserted now than a couple weeks ago on my server.. and if the game was continually growing and picking up so many new players there would still be a huge influx of new players playing on the early planets and for me I have made 3 new alts in the last week and all the starter planets I went through were ghost towns.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/339443/Video-FollowUp-Guide-For-Enhancing-Graphics-and-Performance-in-SWTORSorry-still-Nvidia-Only.html
Oh if you ask me, I believe they have 1.7 m. I play the game and I am fully enjoying it.
The thing is, i am stuck at work till my experiment is done. This forum provide the best entertainment value. It has proven to be true so far. I am just adding more number so people can debate over it more LOL
They also said during the earnings call that they doubled the server capacity.
/sigh
"a mix of users who already have signed up for a paid subscription and users who have given their credit cards over, but have not yet had their paid plans kick in. "
Means "those who have paid and are subbed, and those who have not subbed yet". Notice how it does not imply poeple who unsubbed?
"The rest have either not started playing yet or have opted out ."
Means those who have paid but have not yet subbed (as in the quote above), and also those that have "unsubbed" (unlike the quote above)
Seriously though, reading is NOT hard.
I personally know 3 different people that bought SWTOR and never spent a single min ingame. I'm not popular by any means so within my select group of people I discuss gaming with, 3 of them bought the game and never touched it.... I have another friend who bought the game played for a bit then subbed another month but already does not play the game only subbed to maybe play with another friend.
Go look on Ebay to find countless people selling SWTOR. Most of those boxes were bought and are accounted for in BWs 2million sale, however, they are not being played.
Exactly. This is for their financial quarter ending 12/31/11.
2 Million boxes sold, 1.7 Million active subscribers. Since you had to set up a subscription with payment info to play the game, everyone was an "active subscriber" until they went back and hit "cancel". So, about a week and a half in, they had already had 300,000 people hit "cancel". We all know the number that canceled before the free month ended were a lot higher than that, but I guess we won't know until May exactly how many subscribers they lost between 12/31/11 and the end of March 2012.
Want to know more about GW2 and why there is so much buzz? Start here: Guild Wars 2 Mass Info for the Uninitiated
Well one is saying there is for infact 1.7 million active subs, and one is saying there is a mixture of subs.
Personally either one is great lol least IMO.
And I can't exactly name companies to admit something "bad" after a month or so realease.
Also retention rate should be good I really wonder who thought it'd go under %50 O.O
Months from this thread will be very interesting indeed. Course honestly I don't see myself being around months from now on and won't be missed(I acknowledge that factor guys.) Who knows I might be an additional subscriber for [a bit] I'm bout to go check out Tera FEB 10th doesn't look to bad.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
There are 222 servers by my count.
Even if we are generous and go with a million subs, that is 4500 subs per server. With huge numbers of people screaming for server merges and transfers of their dead servers, where are all these players?
Even people on Heavy servers are reporting having trouble grouping.
Want some popcorn?
I've been eating some as well.
I might get banned for this. - Rizel Star.
I'm not afraid to tell trolls what they [need] to hear, even if that means for me to have an forced absence afterwards.
P2P LOGIC = If it's P2P it means longevity, overall better game, and THE BEST SUPPORT EVER!!!!!(Which has been rinsed and repeated about a thousand times)
Common Sense Logic = P2P logic is no better than F2P Logic.
touché
It is pretty ridiculous and laughable when the against side argues nothing but conjecture as facts then disregards facts as conjecture. I mean I'm no where near a big suppoter for SWTOR in the least bit(I'm just a convert having fun playing the game for the time being) but, by comparison, some of the people around here make me look like the biggest BW/SWTOR/EA fanboy ever! Joke's on me I guess since I mostly dislike EA's practices. XD
We really need separate forums for every newly launched game. There can be the anti-<MMO> one and there can be the 'what general discussion should be' one. All the lamenting can happen together where each can find solace in like minded can't-move-on-ers leaving the rest of us to actually move forward and discuss meaningful and relevant topics.
Both are saying 1.7 million, but one says the 300k diff is mixed of ppl that didnt start playing yet, and the other says the 300k is ppl that either didnt start playing yet, or unsubbed. Without the "unsubbed"part, people can mis interprate the 1.7 as not being a good count, because it doesnt factor in ppl that unsubbed, which..of course...the haters on this site did IMMEDIATLY lol.
Are you kidding me, I have more than enough popcorn and soda ready ( cant drink beer at work ) LOL.
We all know this debate will go on and on between two camps hahaha