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More Than 1.7 Million Active Subscribers 2/1/12 [EA Conf Call Discussion Thread]
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I would agree as much to say that SWTOR has a bigger population than Rift did at this point. It's the simple fact of how they picked their words "most are paying", and how dead the game feels. I've watched my friend play SWTOR level 25 jedi and there was a total of 7 people on the planet. That does not scream 1.7million players to me at all.
If there are 1.7million players they are mostly level 50 and the fallout of bad endgame is still going to make that number drop into the abyss.
Most of those 2 million sales were within the first week which would already put them in their second month, therefore subbed.
So? They are still subscribers.
How would you classify the playerbase on January 1st? Are there zero subscribers? No, people with subscriptions are people that can play the game.
When you buy the game for $60, you get a "free" month. Note the quotation marks...it's not really free, it's just bundled in your $60. So all those players that got a "free" month paid $60 to EA...why shouldn't they count them?
Also, if the 1.7 million IS current, then there won't be that many people still on the free month since my guess is that most people bought the game at release.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
And
MOST
of those 1.7 " ACTIVE " subs are actually paying subscribers...
cough cough.. I call shenanigans once again.
You mean 8 like this?
and swtor keeps on WINNING. you go bioware!
This was hilarious - the SWTOR Biodrones come in trumpeting the success until someone notices the little 12/31/11 on the numbers. What this really says is even in december they had already had about 400k people cancel!
Sooo...you think that a huge amount of people bought the game sometime between Jan 2nd and now and are thus still on their free month?
I doubt it...I'm also certain that the vast majority of people bought the game at release and thus have run out of free time.
Also...is it really so hard to believe that people would play this game for 2 months? It's a pretty expansive game just from an SP perspective. People play Dragon Age for multiple months...why not SWTOR?
That said...I do not think this game will have long-term appeal in MMORPG terms. The sixth month mark will be telling IMO.
Are you team Azeroth, team Tyria, or team Jacob?
Go back and read my post where I did the math. Typical MMO peak concurrency from 1.7 million players would equal an average of 60 people per planet spread over all 200+ servers. Some planets are much busier than others and it depends on the time of day. The Imperial fleet can have 300 people but a planet like Quesh might have 10 people at the same time because you don't stay there long.
you shoulda read it more. those were announced as active as of today.
It was a quarter 3 report, you read it again. If it were not, they would not have to clarify "the majority" having signed up for subscriptions, nor would it say Q3 financial results.
If the number of actual subscribers, .ie people actually billed for the first non-free month, was good, EA would have explicitly stated the number. Instead they tried to play games by including everyone who are still in their free month playing the game.
SWTOR is doing about as well as Rift in subscribers. Maybe a little bit better.
Sure. Here is a direct quote from the document:
"Star Wars®: The Old Republic™ has generated 1.7 million active subscribers and sold through
more than 2 million units in a little over one month."
Explain how Dec 20th to Dec 31st is a little over a month.
http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/02/01/ea-reveals-swtor-subscription-and-sales-numbers-beats-financial/
Darth Hater has compiled some additional TOR-related statistics and Q&A from today's EA earnings call: "2,000,000+ copies sold, 40% sold through Origin; 1,700,000+ active subscribers, 1 million concurrent." The company also notes that "Active subscribers means anyone paying OR in their trial period. MOST of those 1.7m are paying at this point."
Selective reading skill FTW
It's not free. The cost of the first month is included in the cost of the box/download. They've been billed the cost of the game including 1 month. They are subscribers because they have an active subscription.
If you do not understand the word games he is playing it is not my fault. How do you have to clarify that the majority of the people you include in your numbers are paying customers? He did not say concurrent subs, he said paying. As in bought the game.
Edit: Were you not around to see people picking apart Blizzard's actual sub numbers vs what they considered an active subscriber? How new are you to MMORPGs?
Edit2: Also if they were going to announce current sub numbers, they would do it like every other mmo company in history with its own press release. Not on an incredibly delayed Q3 performance analysis... on which they are only responsible for reporting income and sales on that quarter.
Thank you.
If true, that is a phenomenal figure. Even if 'the majority' is just over 50% of 1.7 million.
They also say that one million people per day are currently logging in to play which would suggest to me - that actual subscriber figures are between 850k +. Again, this is an amazing conversion rate by EA/Bioware. Almost unbelievably amazing - and yet, as others have said, these figures are 'law-read'.
I'm well aware of how concurrent users work and the time was saturday 4pm to about about 7pm EST. The population picked at about 17 players. In beta, No matter what time I started. No matter what level character I decided to play. There was always a large amount of players in whatever zone i happened to drop in. My friend that I watched agrees with me and she has personally seen the population drop off significantly since she started playing in early jan.
As a gamer I've come to know better than to trust any statement made for a press release as it's designed to showcase all good and nothing bad. EA/BIoware can not afford anything less than sucess from SWTOR and that is what it will be, no matter what the actual numbers are.
I will trust what I've seen and what my friend and I have witnessed. I highly doubt SWTOR has an 85% retention rate given the activity of players ingame. That is simply my opinion.
whatever you gotta keep telling yourself so you can believe that the game is somehow failing bro. lol
Well, good job guys for keeping me entertainted at work
I also learned quite a few things from different posters. Some gained my respect since they are actually able to see things in an objective way through out whats being presented.
Clearly, it is also fun to see how sometimes people could not admit to certain truth even its presented right in their face.
Still, it is fun to read nevertheless
Which you are entitled to, even if facts prove you wrong.
They CANNOT lie to their stock holders. don't be silly.
WAR had some 800k subs after the first month...
[Mod Edit] If you believe everything you are told and not just the positive spin EAs PR can put on it, did you notice that EA is actually recording a net loss of 200+mil for the quarter? You have to go way down and actually look at the numbers hidden between the assloads of bs and them praising themselves for their so called achievements.
If an EA employee can convince you that you are playing with almost 2m other people as you wander around your world wondering where the 6 other players on the planet are... you got too many problems for me to help you!
I never said they were lying but simply telling people what they want to hear and leaving out the rest. They could have sold 2million in the first couple weeks then pick up another 500k by the end of the first month and then lost 800k subs in the after the first month. 1.7million active subs and sold 2million in the first couple week. It sounds a lot better than stating you lost merely 1million players in the first month.