HEHEHe you are right on the money. I started playing EQ when it first came out, and it is kinda sad that the old zones are in effect DEAD. kinda sad, but im now bored with the game its to repeataive so im waiting on EQ 2 and praying it dosent suck
So you're angry about Eq and will go to Eq2 when it come out?
Weird.
Once I'll quit Eq I'll never go anymore to a Sony/verant game, because the very bad customer client and others bad things...
For EQ2 I heard you'll need a DvD rom to install the game, and 2giga ram...dont know yet what you'll need for 3Dcard and other stuff, but I guess this game will cost a lot lol...
Originally posted by Fatalis44 So you're angry about Eq and will go to Eq2 when it come out? Weird. Once I'll quit Eq I'll never go anymore to a Sony/verant game, because the very bad customer client and others bad things... For EQ2 I heard you'll need a DvD rom to install the game, and 2giga ram...dont know yet what you'll need for 3Dcard and other stuff, but I guess this game will cost a lot lol...
Well...
If you analise most of the angry comments against SoE/Verant, peoples are angry because they didnt do enought for them compare to what they did for other players. And I am among those players.
I mean, I want to group and solo a lot, and look at what they offer to RAIDING and in top of it, they give them to be the best soloers and groupers, this is VERY unfair and infuriating. Those players didnt earn it in group or soloing, they should not get anything but trivial stuff. Yet, they rule the soloing and grouping world with those edges and I cant even progress significantly anywhere.
So yes, a player like me is very angry at SoE and Verant like many other, but we are angry because they didnt do enought for us(or so we feel) and they did a LOT to others that dont deserve it like us(in our opinion).
So most of the folks that are grieving at SoE grieve because they want MORE, not because they dont want anything else to do with them! So EQ2 sure sound appealing, as long as it deliver what we want (I am staying out if I see that raiders get best group tools since they dont give me what I expect of a game). But if the game give me what I want, and the uber folks in groups earn it in groups, I will be very happily playing EQ2!
Most players lack even more then me to express their opinions, but if someone focus on arguments resolving about: "Raiding sux", this is a clear meaning, they want more on the grouping or soloing game and they dont want to see raiders noobs get all group edges!
- "Coercing? No no, I assure you, they are willing to bring my bags and pay public transportation just to help me, it is true!''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I dont see whats so wrong with a game being less crowded, unless your real competetive then i suppose haveing alot of people around would make a diffrence. Other that that i wouldnt see what teh problem would be.
If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason. --Jack Handy
Originally posted by TheThriller I dont see whats so wrong with a game being less crowded, unless your real competetive then i suppose haveing alot of people around would make a diffrence. Other that that i wouldnt see what teh problem would be.
Agree with you. As a player I really dont mind if there are 2k or 2millions players on my server. But you need a minimum amount of players althought to give the sense of something bigger and more option. On my EQ server, I group personnally with more then half of the 60ish pre-PoP...only reason I dont know as many later is that my interest in EQ diminish accordingly with the Raid getting all factor increase! This is a serious edge to have many players, differents options. Considering that many asians players are very hard to approach for grouping purpose(not all, many nice players like everywhere, but many dont like to group with North Americans players, for many it is the last option before logging off and nothing else), knowing more then half of the 60ish was good.
- "Coercing? No no, I assure you, they are willing to bring my bags and pay public transportation just to help me, it is true!''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
How many people would you expect to find playing a SINGLE player game?
Come on now not hard...whats that?..yessss 1 ONE.
ok next question.
How many people would you expect to find playing a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game?
Think for a minute......want to ask the audiance? Phone a friend? is that your last answer?
Yes MASSIVE amounts!!
WHy would ANYONE want to play a game thats for loads and loads fo people and be alone all the time? Not even soloing as theres others to talk to and interact with and watch fight etc.
Originally posted by Darktongue Ok lol quick quiz.
How many people would you expect to find playing a SINGLE player game? Come on now not hard...whats that?..yessss 1 ONE. ok next question.
How many people would you expect to find playing a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game?
Think for a minute......want to ask the audiance? Phone a friend? is that your last answer? Yes MASSIVE amounts!!
WHy would ANYONE want to play a game thats for loads and loads fo people and be alone all the time? Not even soloing as theres others to talk to and interact with and watch fight etc.
The majority of Western society are INDIVIDUALISTS, and so are all capitalists societies. There are more players wanting to play alone or in small groups then anything else!
Yes, the VAST majority of players want to solo or play in small groups.
*society and group oriented* players are unlikely to play on their computers, they are much more likely to involve in Real Life group stuff, playing on a computer is 90% an individualist and selfish choice! (even if you play with a few friends, a group of individualists is more or less a group, it have special individualist behaviors even if a group in theory)
Morrowind appeal a lot less to a soloer then soloing in EQ...and we are talking of soloing in a game that was at war with soloing!
Like it or hate it. This is a fact!
- "Coercing? No no, I assure you, they are willing to bring my bags and pay public transportation just to help me, it is true!''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I for one enjoy both soloing and grouping, but when you can't do one or the other, I like being able to have the other as a choice, which if you know your way around, is something EQ is pretty good with. My major problem with EQ is that it's starting to show its age. Graphics are outdated, the problem with people buying plat online or macroing in the game has finally "hit the fan" so to speak so prices in bazaar are getting ridiculously high, the engine its self is getting more and more buggy and customer service isn't anywhere near as good as it should be. I love what EQ once was but unfortunately I fear that it is Fubar.
As a LONG time EQ player, from Beta 2 till just this past summer..... good lord? 5-6 years or so..
Anyway, as a long standing player of EQ who recently (8 mos ago) quit the game for good the main problem EQ has now is:
1) No new players, or not enough to really matter 2) Old areas are stagnant, and don't offer the rewards of the new 3) It's actually in a situation where there is just too much territory for the playerbase. The servers can't hold enough people to allow proper population dispersal across all the available areas.
Bottom line: Server only holds up to 4k people, usually <1.5k online (yah they took the numbers away so we wouldn't know that ) But the landmass in the game really needs about 10-20k players to feel 'populated' now that the game has grown so big.
Bottom line: The game has outgrown it's technology. There's LOTS to do and LOTS to see but not enough people to spread around in it. Thus you get vast wastelands with nobody in them to play with unless you go to the newer areas or the most rewarding areas, where everyone congregates.
Another aspect that people don't think of with EQ is that the PLAYERBASE is MUCH smaller than the SUBSCRIBER base. I know MANY people who maintain as many as 7 accounts. So take EQ's subscriber base (400k) and devide it by about 4. 100k people on like 18 servers over a 24 hour period. There just aren't enough PEOPLE to go around.
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The majority of Western society are INDIVIDUALISTS, and so are all capitalists societies. There are more players wanting to play alone or in small groups then anything else!
Not true. "Western Society" I take to mean "white society"? Europe, America, Canada, and maybe Australia? Maybe instead you should say modern society. Or current society.
Anyway, it is true in America the majority of Americans are individualistic. There is a famous artsy picure of a satillite photo of an entire Suburb. All the houses have pools, and every house has a high fence heheh.
Europeans tend to be far, far, far, more open. In their own countries, as well as when they visit other countries. Frenchpeople will always talk to their neighbours who live next to their house/apartment. Same with Germans, Norweigians (sp), and people in Holland, Britian, etc... etc...
Spanish countries, and Asian countries are more seperated by class. People in the same class will absolutly always talk to each other all the time.
Yes, the VAST majority of players want to solo or play in small groups.
It is more about the game mechanics/game features. If the game is designed to promote grouping, then the majority of players will group. If the game is designed to promote soloing, then the majority of players will solo.
*society and group oriented* players are unlikely to play on their computers, they are much more likely to involve in Real Life group stuff, playing on a computer is 90% an individualist and selfish choice! (even if you play with a few friends, a group of individualists is more or less a group, it have special individualist behaviors even if a group in theory)
Untrue. Look at the internet itself? IRC is uber-popular. Chat rooms, chat programs, are ultra-popular. People who use a computer are not neccessarily 90% loners. The type of people who play computer games depends on the game. As far as MMORPGs go, it depends on the game. Anarchy Online for example is based out of Europe. It is full of players in groups, and playing together. Because Europeans generally tend to be friendlier, and more open to talking to other people.
BTW, why the heck is/should being on a computer NOT be part of "Real Life group stuff?" Using a computer is part of doing real life stuff like going to the movies, reading a book, reading the newspaper, going to the libary, watching a sports game....
And partaking in group stuff on a computer (via chat rooms, playing MOG aka massive online games) is actually MORE of a group thing than any "real life" group stuff because with a computer one can and will meet other people around the world on would have NEVER ever met if it were not for the computer an internet.
The computer makes how a person looks, talks, sound, dress, even where they live, what social class they are in.... all irrelevent. Which means people on a computer are more likely to engage in "group stuff".
Morrowind appeal a lot less to a soloer then soloing in EQ...and we are talking of soloing in a game that was at war with soloing!
I have never played Morrowind so I do not know what kind of game it is, or what its target audiance is.
EQ I have played. EQ was more intended for players to group than to solo. Soloing is possible. But grouping is very obviously more intended. And after reaching a certain level, soloing is near impossible. To reach ALL of the endgame content it is impossble to reach it soloing.
I started EQ last year and there were only about 20 players in that new player section, most hi leveled. After a few weeks and still no items worth having, no party and frequent rude kill stealers I decided the long term investment was not a valid idea. One player did show me some ropes after i patiently asked for the 10th time.
I did not care for the controls much and the game did not seem user friendly for a solo newb. I am still interested in the console version , as a matter of fact I was sent one of the closed beta discs for EQ PS2. It was far easier to control with a hand controler but awkward to swith to a keyboard...lol.
There are 2 players here in my school but they refused to show me around and I never saw them in game. Guess what? I never speak to them any more, they BOTH work in the computer labs here at college and look like...nerds! I swear it~ Sterotype? Yep they do happen.
EQ is a game aimed at high level achievers who can devote months to learning geek speak and arcane bits 'o data. I tried to get into it, I honestly did. EQ 2 may be the best option for a newb player.
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So you're angry about Eq and will go to Eq2 when it come out?
Weird.
Once I'll quit Eq I'll never go anymore to a Sony/verant game, because the very bad customer client and others bad things...
For EQ2 I heard you'll need a DvD rom to install the game, and 2giga ram...dont know yet what you'll need for 3Dcard and other stuff, but I guess this game will cost a lot lol...
Well...
If you analise most of the angry comments against SoE/Verant, peoples are angry because they didnt do enought for them compare to what they did for other players. And I am among those players.
I mean, I want to group and solo a lot, and look at what they offer to RAIDING and in top of it, they give them to be the best soloers and groupers, this is VERY unfair and infuriating. Those players didnt earn it in group or soloing, they should not get anything but trivial stuff. Yet, they rule the soloing and grouping world with those edges and I cant even progress significantly anywhere.
So yes, a player like me is very angry at SoE and Verant like many other, but we are angry because they didnt do enought for us(or so we feel) and they did a LOT to others that dont deserve it like us(in our opinion).
So most of the folks that are grieving at SoE grieve because they want MORE, not because they dont want anything else to do with them! So EQ2 sure sound appealing, as long as it deliver what we want (I am staying out if I see that raiders get best group tools since they dont give me what I expect of a game). But if the game give me what I want, and the uber folks in groups earn it in groups, I will be very happily playing EQ2!
Most players lack even more then me to express their opinions, but if someone focus on arguments resolving about: "Raiding sux", this is a clear meaning, they want more on the grouping or soloing game and they dont want to see raiders noobs get all group edges!
- "Coercing? No no, I assure you, they are willing to bring my bags and pay public transportation just to help me, it is true!''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I dont see whats so wrong with a game being less crowded, unless your real competetive then i suppose haveing alot of people around would make a diffrence. Other that that i wouldnt see what teh problem would be.
If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason.
--Jack Handy
- "Coercing? No no, I assure you, they are willing to bring my bags and pay public transportation just to help me, it is true!''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Ok lol quick quiz.
How many people would you expect to find playing a SINGLE player game?
Come on now not hard...whats that?..yessss 1 ONE.
ok next question.
How many people would you expect to find playing a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER game?
Think for a minute......want to ask the audiance? Phone a friend? is that your last answer?
Yes MASSIVE amounts!!
WHy would ANYONE want to play a game thats for loads and loads fo people and be alone all the time? Not even soloing as theres others to talk to and interact with and watch fight etc.
Alone online in a MMO.Now THATS sad .
Roll on EQ2 i cant wait
..or Warhammer
..or WoW
...or MEO
or Thomas the Tank Engine Online.
The majority of Western society are INDIVIDUALISTS, and so are all capitalists societies. There are more players wanting to play alone or in small groups then anything else!
Yes, the VAST majority of players want to solo or play in small groups.
*society and group oriented* players are unlikely to play on their computers, they are much more likely to involve in Real Life group stuff, playing on a computer is 90% an individualist and selfish choice! (even if you play with a few friends, a group of individualists is more or less a group, it have special individualist behaviors even if a group in theory)
Morrowind appeal a lot less to a soloer then soloing in EQ...and we are talking of soloing in a game that was at war with soloing!
Like it or hate it. This is a fact!
- "Coercing? No no, I assure you, they are willing to bring my bags and pay public transportation just to help me, it is true!''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Thats just 'My Two Cents'
Thats just 'My Two Cents'
As a LONG time EQ player, from Beta 2 till just this past summer..... good lord? 5-6 years or so..
Anyway, as a long standing player of EQ who recently (8 mos ago) quit the game for good the main problem EQ has now is:
1) No new players, or not enough to really matter
2) Old areas are stagnant, and don't offer the rewards of the new
3) It's actually in a situation where there is just too much territory for the playerbase. The servers can't hold enough people to allow proper population dispersal across all the available areas.
Bottom line: Server only holds up to 4k people, usually <1.5k online (yah they took the numbers away so we wouldn't know that
) But the landmass in the game really needs about 10-20k players to feel 'populated' now that the game has grown so big.
Bottom line: The game has outgrown it's technology. There's LOTS to do and LOTS to see but not enough people to spread around in it. Thus you get vast wastelands with nobody in them to play with unless you go to the newer areas or the most rewarding areas, where everyone congregates.
Another aspect that people don't think of with EQ is that the PLAYERBASE is MUCH smaller than the SUBSCRIBER base. I know MANY people who maintain as many as 7 accounts. So take EQ's subscriber base (400k) and devide it by about 4. 100k people on like 18 servers over a 24 hour period. There just aren't enough PEOPLE to go around.
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I started EQ last year and there were only about 20 players in that new player section, most hi leveled. After a few weeks and still no items worth having, no party and frequent rude kill stealers I decided the long term investment was not a valid idea. One player did show me some ropes after i patiently asked for the 10th time.
I did not care for the controls much and the game did not seem user friendly for a solo newb. I am still interested in the console version , as a matter of fact I was sent one of the closed beta discs for EQ PS2. It was far easier to control with a hand controler but awkward to swith to a keyboard...lol.
There are 2 players here in my school but they refused to show me around and I never saw them in game. Guess what? I never speak to them any more, they BOTH work in the computer labs here at college and look like...nerds! I swear it~
Sterotype? Yep they do happen.
EQ is a game aimed at high level achievers who can devote months to learning geek speak and arcane bits 'o data. I tried to get into it, I honestly did. EQ 2 may be the best option for a newb player.
Don't ya eat the yellow snow!
This game has rightfully earned it's name:
Everquest is Evercamp mobs for equipment. That is truly Everpest.
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