If SWTOR failed so badly, tell us what you are playing now so we can compare!!!

Belgaraath

Originally posted by pierth

Originally posted by zytin

Your premis is faulty.  That, and you didn't really ask a question in your long winded pro TOR rant. 

Your post is a challenge, not a question.  You are challengeing the readers to tell you what MMO they currently play that is better than TOR .  You don't stop there, though.  You go on to list a long string of requirments that attempts to force people to compare TOR with wow based on several variables (graphics, story, et al).

And this, sir, is why your != question else (value = challenge) is a failed premis.

I do not currently play any MMO, and I have not since WoW came out with cataclysm and I got tired of Rift because it just didn't hold my interest.  After hitting the 85 in WoW and being dealt the blow of trying to get into random dungeon groups just to get kicked for being noob and not knowing the fights, I hadn't bothered with any MMO's until after reading several pro TOR posts and anti TOR posts on this website, among others.  

So I paid the 60 bucks for the digital download, then paid for one month to play it...And I had a TON of fun, because it was very new in how it presented everything.  The first real heroic mission on that groups transport that you take after getting of the first planet?  WOW, MAN!  I mean, it was so friggin' epic.  But then I kept playing, and things began to get stail, just like they were stail in WoW.  It was the same old same old after the window dressing of voicovers fell away.  I got tired of waiting for hours to find a group to attack X heroic.  Some planets were so baren of players that I couldn't do ANY heroics.  Then I would get into storyline instances where other people couldn't be there with me, because they were the same class, or where the boss fights were BROKEN.  And then when I complained about it in public, I'd get jumped by all the people who were so desperately trying to defend the game against any decent.  

else

I don't currently play any MMO, because they are pretty much all the same right now, just with different graphics.  I am waiting to see what GW2 and a few other MMO's do.  I'm interested in seeing what WoD does...But honestly?  The whole MMO scene seems very tired to me.  Why?  Because there is no real inovation.  Because you aren't playing a virtual world where anything can happen and where you can actually affect change in the world around you, or be a part of a group that affects real change to the world environment.  

In either case, ToR was a let down because it didn't do anything different and it didn't even do many things very good, and it was missing TONS of features that other MMO's already have.  

No, I didn't answer your question, because you didn't ask one.  I didn't answer your challenge, because your challenge is flawed.  Deal.

 

 

I have accepted that there will likely not be one MMORPG that encompasses everything I seek in a MMORPG and that's ok- I find games that have content I desire and don't just rely on a single genre.

Maybe thats part of the reason I am enjoying TOR even though it borrows so much from those before it. I am playing other games at the same time to mix it up, like Skyrim. If I only played TOR, ignored the gym and tennis and rushed to 50 like so many here, maybe I would be saying the same thing as others. Since Im taking my time and mixing up both my genres and what I am doing in game (a little PVE, a little PVP, a little Flashpoint, etc), I'm enjoying it more.

Zlayer77

Originally posted by keithian

I'm a long time member of these forums and I see so much criticism here of a game that has had one of the most successful launches in MMO history.

I have Invested alot of time on many diffrent forums all over the Internet .. And Im going to give you some Objective feedback on what I have found on why people dislike or have quit this game..

1. There are people who just dislike the hole concept of the game, and who will never buy it or play it (Im in this category for example)

2. Then we have the people who tried it but felt like they had done it and seen it all before

3. Lasttly we have the people who are upset about bugs and broken game mechanics...

But often when I read negative post about this game one word sticks out "IM BORED". Im a firm beliver that if the game was fun, and had things that were new to the genreal MMOer both groups 2 and 3 would still be playing the game.. But Bioware/EA never stoped to think that people might actually want something that was NEW and FUN. They were to bussy trying to look at what the rest of the Industry was doing and copy cating them. So they never found the time to sit down and look at their own product and ask the hard question "Is This game Actually FUN"

Belgaraath

Originally posted by ktanner3

Originally posted by zytin

Your premis is faulty.  That, and you didn't really ask a question in your long winded pro TOR rant. 

His premise isn't faulty. He's asking for comparisons from the people who post long winded anti TOR rants on a daily basis.

Your post is a challenge, not a question.You are challengeing the readers to tell you what MMO they currently play that is better than TOR .  You don't stop there, though.  You go on to list a long string of requirments that attempts to force people to compare TOR with wow based on several variables (graphics, story, et al).

Since those are the very things that people like to gripe about I see nothing wrong with throwing that criteria back in their face. If TOR is so bad, then obviously there was something better in the past or now that we should all be playing. I notice many like to say WOW did this better, or DAOC did this better etc. They take different stuff from different games and say that since TOR doesn't have all these things it fails. Well, if that is the case, then show a game that has all those things PLUS what TOR offers. See people like us who DO like this game for what it is are going to have a hard time going back to the supposedly "superior" mmos when they don't measure up to our standards. Expectations are a two way street.

 

 Thank you. You read my mind before I could respond. In fact I can't even improve upon your post lol.

 

zytin

Originally posted by keithian

Originally posted by BrokenSpoon

Tetris, due to the welcomed lack of Voice Over!

No need to respond to this as it has nothing to do with this thread.. My intiial comments regarding forum history kind of speak for themselves.

But you do anyway....

Belgaraath

Originally posted by Zlayer77

Originally posted by keithian

I'm a long time member of these forums and I see so much criticism here of a game that has had one of the most successful launches in MMO history.

I have Invested alot of time on many diffrent forums all over the Internet .. And Im going to give you some Objective feedback on what I have found on why people dislike or have quit this game..

1. There are people who just dislike the hole concept of the game, and who will never buy it or play it (Im in this category for example)

2. Then we have the people who tried it but felt like they had done it and seen it all before

3. Lasttly we have the people who are upset about bugs and broken game mechanics...

But often when I read negative post about this game one word sticks out "IM BORED". Im a firm beliver that if the game was fun, and had things that were new to the genreal MMOer both groups 2 and 3 would still be playing the game.. But Bioware/EA never stoped to think that people might actually want something that was NEW and FUN. They were to bussy trying to look at what the rest of the Industry was doing and copy cating them. So they never found the time to sit down and look at their own product and ask the hard question "Is This game Actually FUN"

Another one. What MMO are you currently playing to satisfy your MMO needs?

tom_gore

I'm not playing any MMO at the moment, as I don't find any of them "worthy of my time". My gaming time is very limited and as most MMOs are designed to take away as much of that time as possible while offering as little content as possible, I am having much more fun playing single player RPGs and multiplayer FPS games.

The thing is, I don't feel like progressing in a themepark MMO. The only thing really changing is how my avatar looks like and how big the numbers flying around are. The world is stagnant and frozen. Nothing you do will have any impact on the world.

In UO at least I could build my own house to the landscape. Or join a big guild and build a whole town and wage war to the enemies we chose, not the ones chosen by the factions.

 

zytin

^

That

Zlayer77

Originally posted by keithian

Originally posted by Zlayer77

Originally posted by keithian

I'm a long time member of these forums and I see so much criticism here of a game that has had one of the most successful launches in MMO history.

I have Invested alot of time on many diffrent forums all over the Internet .. And Im going to give you some Objective feedback on what I have found on why people dislike or have quit this game..

1. There are people who just dislike the hole concept of the game, and who will never buy it or play it (Im in this category for example)

2. Then we have the people who tried it but felt like they had done it and seen it all before

3. Lasttly we have the people who are upset about bugs and broken game mechanics...

But often when I read negative post about this game one word sticks out "IM BORED". Im a firm beliver that if the game was fun, and had things that were new to the genreal MMOer both groups 2 and 3 would still be playing the game.. But Bioware/EA never stoped to think that people might actually want something that was NEW and FUN. They were to bussy trying to look at what the rest of the Industry was doing and copy cating them. So they never found the time to sit down and look at their own product and ask the hard question "Is This game Actually FUN"

Another one. What MMO are you currently playing to satisfy your MMO needs?

Iv posted it before if you roll back in the thread.. I play EvE online.... and Dark souls and skyrim.. and Leauge of legends....

tank017

Vanguard and EQ

 

 

Cthulhu23

Still playing SWTOR, because it's fun as hell.  <shrugs>

sgel

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Still playing SWTOR, because it's fun as hell.  

You got that right.. "fun" as "hell"

(sorry couldn't resist)

I tried SWTOR got bored really fast and quit.

Currently playing Guild Wars 1 (recently restarted.. amazing game), some Lotro here and there, some League of Legends, some World of Tanks, Tribes Ascend (old school speedy FPS awesomesauce) and anything else I fancy...

 

Butregenyo

Originally posted by keithian

Originally posted by Butregenyo

I am really disappointed in SWTOR as it really couldnt manage to create a massive world feeling, using the most massive setting ever (imo). Combat is very boring, characters don't feel unique. Its like a single player game like everybody says. And i dont want that.

Right now, i have given up on MMOs. Playing dota2 and dark souls until GW2 launches.

So you are basically admitting that no MMO is better for the moment until GW2 comes out, so for those of us who want to still play MMOs, this game might be just fine until then. God knows how many others have posted in response to the same redudant single player post, its only single player if you want it to be. There are tons of things to do that are multiplayer. You do realize you have to group with people for it to be multiplayer, right? This is pretty much the same as every other PVE MMO out there. Then there are those who complained about other MMOs that force you to group. Its like you are damned if you do, damned if you don't. This game at least gives you options.

If you'd pushed me for a direct MMO comparison, i would say RIFT is better. But i am bored of if as well in 6 months. But I cannot stand SWTOR for another 5 months. 

BLOBtheTROLL

I play 2 games , because I cant find one whit all the features i need.

 

1. darkfall - best pvp game and it have 1000x better pvp and end game than swtor

 

2. ddo - for me best pve dungeon game 1000x better pve,charatcter progression and dungeon crawrel , story than swtor

 

 

Matticus75

I think what it really is, is that their is so much demand for MMORPGs, instead of competing with quality to make the most profits, the concept is "liquidate" the demand, till the "free market" creates conditions that no one will care about MMORPGs anymore, Why? because they are heading the the direction of becomming a scam

MMORPGs are evolving into Mirco tranaction mills, low budget hight profit  vs the relative cost to create a "MMORPG"

 

Think about it, if you  make a 200 million dollar game, and gain over its life time a %200 profit

or make alot of $10 million "cheap" F2P, heavy ended MT games and make a %500 profit for each one, in the end more money is made

They got this crappy Idea from Facebook games, like Farmville, and MMOs are being dumbed down to a more hi tech version of "Farmville"

We are not going to see a Hi tech version of "Classical MMOs"

Some Suit from Harvard looking at macro managed expiermental online business models, and think tanks are comming up with this souless garbage

 

Always keep in mind, the market is not about competing to get the consumer what they "want", they are competing on developing products based on what you "respond to"

People respond to a big fat juciy steak, not foods that keep them healthy

I think what most humans "want" is to be healthy if you catch the idea, Who on earth wants to be a fat sack of.......

We dont respoond to quality, we respond to crap.........

spizz

Iam playing Skyrim at the moment and waiting for Planetside II. Sometimes I play World of Tanks and TFC2  and thinking about to do another free trial with Battleground Europe before it shut down. Was thinking also about to start WoW again after I didnt play it for 5 years, but not sure about it. It depends how much time I have, cant play that much always and dont want, there are more important things to do.

Phry

Skyrim... though i'll probably be playing that for the next year or so too   

waiting for TSW and keeping fingers crossed that SOE don't manage to make a pigs ear out of Planetside 2...  and waiting to see what becomes of GW2, but only for the PvP..  tbh, if SOE and Funcom pull a blinder then arenanets offering could get a good ignoring..  2012 seems very much to be a wait and see kind of year really

doragon86

I won't say it failed, though it may not be as profitable as EA had hoped. There are some people who enjoy it, and some who don't. Also, I don't know if it's merely coincidence, it seems that the people who consistently enjoy it are the ones who haven't been on the mmo seen much if at all. Anyways, the leveling experience was fun and the better part of the game in my opinion. However, once I hit cap my interest in the game fell sharply.

PvE didn't feel challenging to me. As for PvP, that RNG system that for some stupid reason they decided to implement greatly frustrated me after getting 8 bracers in a row. Also, while I'm aware they tweaked a few things here and there, the combat fluidity is lacking. There are other gripes I had with the game, but I'm not going to make this post long winded. Anyways, SWTOR is like a flavor of pie. Some people will enjoy the taste, while others won't.

Anyways, I'm playing Kingdoms of Amalur, and I'm surprisingly enjoying the game despite the graphics, thought I do wish the game was harder though. Right now I'm just waiting for Diablo 3 and Guild Wars 2, while keeping an eye on Secret World.

altair4

Back to WoW again for me. No matter how tired I am of it, all it takes is a new "AAA" MMO showing just how good the gameplay in WoW is. Over 7y since WoW was released and yet no MMO has had anywhere near the gameplay of even WoW vanilla, it's just sad.

DarkPony

 

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Originally posted by tom_gore

I'm not playing any MMO at the moment, as I don't find any of them "worthy of my time". My gaming time is very limited and as most MMOs are designed to take away as much of that time as possible while offering as little content as possible, I am having much more fun playing single player RPGs and multiplayer FPS games.

The thing is, I don't feel like progressing in a themepark MMO. The only thing really changing is how my avatar looks like and how big the numbers flying around are. The world is stagnant and frozen. Nothing you do will have any impact on the world.

In UO at least I could build my own house to the landscape. Or join a big guild and build a whole town and wage war to the enemies we chose, not the ones chosen by the factions.

 

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Pretty much.

 

Personally I don't mind about repetitive pve content, just as long as there is enough freedom and choice in other aspects. And a consistent, immersive world which still plays a role for you at level cap.

But standing around in a shopping mall waiting for groups and queues to access the 95% instanced endgame content with the main incentives centered on upgrading your gear?

World pvp nor crafting offering a solid alternative to pve group progressing at max level?

All that in a highly unoptimized package with a lot of staring at loading screens involved?

I'm glad about jumping off that boat before my first sub payment. The ride to level 50 was very nice but the bottom line is that I want to be able to carve my own path in a mmorpg when I am done leveling, with solid, open world alternatives to instanced endgame content (fishing, mining, world pvp'ing, roleplaying). Even vanilla WoW allowed this to a much greater extent despite it being centered on raiding so much.

Archid

Only thing that made me quit was the performance. I bought new hardware wishing it would work better but no...

The end game content that was only raiding with 16man operations and wolrd pvp was unplayable because of it.

So i went back to Rift , even it works better at raids and pvp and i remember there was same problem with it just not without lag and responsivnes problems, only fps. Rift is truly a great game and i hope they continue making content to it.

Matticus75

Originally posted by sgel

Originally posted by Cthulhu23

Still playing SWTOR, because it's fun as hell.  

You got that right.. "fun" as "hell"

(sorry couldn't resist)

I tried SWTOR got bored really fast and quit.

Currently playing Guild Wars 1 (recently restarted.. amazing game), some Lotro here and there, some League of Legends, some World of Tanks, Tribes Ascend (old school speedy FPS awesomesauce) and anything else I fancy...

 

Tribes FTW!

Sigurd57

Civilization 5.  

 

After hitting Battlemaster on my Jedi Guardian, I stopped logging into the game.  Not sure why, was just like a switch that triggered and I immediately had 0 desire to log back into the game.   Kind of sad

Lobotomist

Skyrim , KOA , Dustforce

Fallen Earth , STO

Cirventhor

A nice mix of Guild Wars, LotRO and Vanguard, as well as Skyrim every now and then.

JeroKane

I am waiting for The Secret World. As that MMO seems to be at least a little different with open skill system. I also like the whole setting of that game, with the puzzles, mythology, etc.