"Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time."
And what's stopping them from making acquiring said goods and items through gameplay extremely tedious and difficult?
Nothing.
Well, good to find this out sooner rather than later.
"Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time."
And what's stopping them from making acquiring said goods and items through gameplay extremely tedious and difficult?
Nothing.
Well, good to find this out sooner rather than later.
I heard from my mates best friend who knows a guy at Arena-net, that they are actually going to make the cash shop obligatory if you want to get above level 50.
I find it funny how every time one of these threads emerges on GW2guru, an ArenaNet dev always has to come and reassure folk that the sky isn't falling again. When will Guild Wars 2 fanatics learn.
"As usual, everybody just needs to calm down a bit. This change was done to actually make the wording easier to understand – seems like that was not the case.
But the statement in it is still the same: Nothing you will be able to buy in the in-game store will give you an advantage over people who are not buying anything. That is the baseline. "
I'm glad for the clarification but to be honest I was disappointed with the choice the wording.
The truth is that GW1 doesn't have Pay to Win, but it does have Pay to Skip (PVP skill and item unlock packs).
The change in wording definitely seemed like it was opening the door to allow Pay to Skip in GW2. Hopefully the clarification really does mean that nothing will give you ANY sort of advantage, but to be honest, it's still a little too ambiguous for my tastes. Though at least we know GW2 won't have PVP skill and item unlock packs (everything is unlocked).
I think we should all just wait and see and not get too worked up, but I know I'm going to be paying close attention to what is for sale in the store.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it."-Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
I think they need to make an example list of the items they plan on offering before the game is released. This way, if we don't like the direction of their cash shop we can avoid purchasing the game. I've trusted Anet so far, but i was lead to believe it was cosmetic items only. I may not agree with their interpretation of what would offer no advantage.
I just copied and pasted this from another site where I posted.
Without a doubt there will be armor and weapons available in the cash shop. Will it be more powerful than items in the game? Hell no. Anet will not make such a stupid mistake.
How will it be done? We do not know. Could be something similar to how HoM items will work is my guess. Also I am thinking that such items will most likely be unique to the cash shop and not found in the game.
Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time.
To me that sounds like I could farm a sword for 3 months, Or i could buy it in the shop in 1 minute.
Only difference was the time it took to aquire
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Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time.
To me that sounds like I could farm a sword for 3 months, Or i could buy it in the shop in 1 minute.
Ok, well if the game turns out Pay to win don't play it? Seems fairly simple.
But considering this is a PvP centric game with things like esports in mind with server lists and such, I really can't see them selling power. That tends to run the major competitive crowd off.
There is no way that can happen. Every player is bumped to max level with max level gear, skills, and traits. So purchasing items for pvp doesn't work.
Which sounds incredibily dull to me. I'm not a fan of OP gear that creates huge powergaps, but still like to see some incentive to craft and PvE for decent equipment to PvP with.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time.
To me that sounds like I could farm a sword for 3 months, Or i could buy it in the shop in 1 minute.
Only difference was the time it took to aquire
I was thinking the same thing.
And in that case, it is an advantage.
No it is not an advantage. Such an item found in the cash shop is not any more powerful than any other sword you can get in the game. Sure the skin might be different but it is not more powerful. Only advantage would be that the person who paid cash for it will get it sooner than a person farming for it. FYI both are totally optional and not required in any way to be on par with the rest of the player base.
Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time.
To me that sounds like I could farm a sword for 3 months, Or i could buy it in the shop in 1 minute.
Only difference was the time it took to aquire
I was thinking the same thing.
And in that case, it is an advantage.
No it is not an advantage. Such an item found in the cash shop is not any more powerful than any other sword you can get in the game. Sure the skin might be different but it is not more powerful. Only advantage would be that the person who paid cash for it will get it sooner than a person farming for it. FYI both are totally optional and not required in any way to be on par with the rest of the player base.
If this turns out to be the case i will not be buying the game.
Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time.
To me that sounds like I could farm a sword for 3 months, Or i could buy it in the shop in 1 minute.
Only difference was the time it took to aquire
I was thinking the same thing.
And in that case, it is an advantage.
No it is not an advantage. Such an item found in the cash shop is not any more powerful than any other sword you can get in the game. Sure the skin might be different but it is not more powerful. Only advantage would be that the person who paid cash for it will get it sooner than a person farming for it. FYI both are totally optional and not required in any way to be on par with the rest of the player base.
If this turns out to be the case i will not be buying the game.
Why? You did not give a reason. You could be for more powerful weapons available in the cash shop(never gonna happen) or for weapons that give no statistical advantage available in the cash shop.
You will not be some low level guy running around with an OP weapon. Sure it might look bad ass but it is still gonna do the same damage as a weapon that is available for that level.
You gonna not play the game because some people who played GW1 and filled out their Hall of Monuments will get weapons and items you can not get in the game any other way? Those items will not be OP.
Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time.
To me that sounds like I could farm a sword for 3 months, Or i could buy it in the shop in 1 minute.
Only difference was the time it took to aquire
I was thinking the same thing.
And in that case, it is an advantage.
Only advantage would be that the person who paid cash for it will get it sooner than a person farming for it.
That is what I'm speaking of.
Instead of actually having to work for a specific weapon or armor, you could possibly buy it straight away in the cash shop.
From my point of view, that is an advantage.
Now mind you, I'm not saying this is what it's going to look like.
I'm just going from the speculation, if that would be how the cash shop worked.
Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time.
To me that sounds like I could farm a sword for 3 months, Or i could buy it in the shop in 1 minute.
Only difference was the time it took to aquire
I was thinking the same thing.
And in that case, it is an advantage.
Only advantage would be that the person who paid cash for it will get it sooner than a person farming for it.
That is what I'm speaking of.
Instead of actually having to work for a specific weapon or armor, you could possibly buy it straight away in the cash shop.
Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time.
To me that sounds like I could farm a sword for 3 months, Or i could buy it in the shop in 1 minute.
Only difference was the time it took to aquire
I was thinking the same thing.
And in that case, it is an advantage.
Only advantage would be that the person who paid cash for it will get it sooner than a person farming for it.
That is what I'm speaking of.
Instead of actually having to work for a specific weapon or armor, you could possibly buy it straight away in the cash shop.
From my point of view, that is an advantage.
Exactly, that's what i call pay to win.
It is not pay to win. Max stat weapons will be common place and everyone and their gramma is gonna have them. They will not make you OP for your level. It just gives you a different skin. That item will do the same as every other item of the same type. It is the same thing if it was cash shop exclusive costumes or town clothing. That kind of stuff does not make you more powerful.
Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time.
To me that sounds like I could farm a sword for 3 months, Or i could buy it in the shop in 1 minute.
Only difference was the time it took to aquire
I was thinking the same thing.
And in that case, it is an advantage.
Only advantage would be that the person who paid cash for it will get it sooner than a person farming for it.
That is what I'm speaking of.
Instead of actually having to work for a specific weapon or armor, you could possibly buy it straight away in the cash shop.
From my point of view, that is an advantage.
Exactly, that's what i call pay to win.
It is not pay to win. Max stat weapons will be common place and everyone and their gramma is gonna have them. They will not make you OP for your level. It just gives you a different skin. That item will do the same as every other item of the same type. It is the same thing if it was cash shop exclusive costumes or town clothing. That kind of stuff does not make you more powerful.
That is true.. And probably how it's going to look.
Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time.
To me that sounds like I could farm a sword for 3 months, Or i could buy it in the shop in 1 minute.
Only difference was the time it took to aquire
I was thinking the same thing.
And in that case, it is an advantage.
Only advantage would be that the person who paid cash for it will get it sooner than a person farming for it.
That is what I'm speaking of.
Instead of actually having to work for a specific weapon or armor, you could possibly buy it straight away in the cash shop.
From my point of view, that is an advantage.
Exactly, that's what i call pay to win.
It is not pay to win. Max stat weapons will be common place and everyone and their gramma is gonna have them. They will not make you OP for your level. It just gives you a different skin. That item will do the same as every other item of the same type. It is the same thing if it was cash shop exclusive costumes or town clothing. That kind of stuff does not make you more powerful.
That is true.. And probably how it's going to look.
I would not worry too much about this. Most likely the items in the cash shop will be items with unique skins that are only available in the cash shop. I highly doubt they will make in game items widely available in the cash shop.
Will there be micro-transactions or things to buy which don't come with the box, like character slots?
Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time.
This clearly means to me that they will sell gear and weapons alongside vanity items, they will just give you the option to grind it in game or purchase it right away with real money.
This WILL BE the downfall of Guild Wars 2 if I am correct.
Pay2Win games suck.
"But you can get the items in game for free, so it's not P2W," No, it is, those items might take a long time to get, but the richer players are getting them in one second.
I seriously hope I am wrong about this, and that they only sell vanity items, I want to like Guild Wars 2!!
Will there be micro-transactions or things to buy which don't come with the box, like character slots?
Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time.
This clearly means to me that they will sell gear and weapons alongside vanity items, they will just give you the option to grind it in game or purchase it right away with real money.
This WILL BE the downfall of Guild Wars 2 if I am correct.
Pay2Win games suck.
"But you can get the items in game for free, so it's not P2W," No, it is, those items might take a long time to get, but the richer players are getting them in one second.
I seriously hope I am wrong about this, and that they only sell vanity items, I want to like Guild Wars 2!!
I'm pretty sure they've already stated they'll only be selling vanity items in the shop, so stop worrying
Will there be micro-transactions or things to buy which don't come with the box, like character slots?
Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time.
This clearly means to me that they will sell gear and weapons alongside vanity items, they will just give you the option to grind it in game or purchase it right away with real money.
This WILL BE the downfall of Guild Wars 2 if I am correct.
Pay2Win games suck.
"But you can get the items in game for free, so it's not P2W," No, it is, those items might take a long time to get, but the richer players are getting them in one second.
I seriously hope I am wrong about this, and that they only sell vanity items, I want to like Guild Wars 2!!
Well, looking at Guild Wars 1 cash shop, they only had cosmetic items. Like armors just for show.
I don't see how they couldn't just maintain those kind of items in the GW2 shop.
I have faith that ArenaNet wouldn't really pull any of that P2W stuff.
But I would be lying if I said I hadn't worried about the possibility..
Will there be micro-transactions or things to buy which don't come with the box, like character slots?
Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time.
This clearly means to me that they will sell gear and weapons alongside vanity items, they will just give you the option to grind it in game or purchase it right away with real money.
This WILL BE the downfall of Guild Wars 2 if I am correct.
Pay2Win games suck.
"But you can get the items in game for free, so it's not P2W," No, it is, those items might take a long time to get, but the richer players are getting them in one second.
I seriously hope I am wrong about this, and that they only sell vanity items, I want to like Guild Wars 2!!
I agree with you. Crap i've been telling everyone i know how great this game is and that it's buy 2 play and that the shop will be only for cosmetic items. I don't plan on busting my ass and finally be awarded with something decent for my effort, only to be laughed at by some kid whos mommy bought everything for him already in the cash shop. How lame is that?
Will there be micro-transactions or things to buy which don't come with the box, like character slots?
Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time.
This clearly means to me that they will sell gear and weapons alongside vanity items, they will just give you the option to grind it in game or purchase it right away with real money.
This WILL BE the downfall of Guild Wars 2 if I am correct.
Pay2Win games suck.
"But you can get the items in game for free, so it's not P2W," No, it is, those items might take a long time to get, but the richer players are getting them in one second.
I seriously hope I am wrong about this, and that they only sell vanity items, I want to like Guild Wars 2!!
Well, looking at Guild Wars 1 cash shop, they only had cosmetic items. Like armors just for show.
I don't see how they couldn't just maintain those kind of items in the GW2 shop.
I have faith that ArenaNet wouldn't really pull any of that P2W stuff.
But I would be lying if I said I hadn't worried about the possibility..
GW1 Game of the Year edition and plus preorders all gave you max stat weapons and items. GotY also gave you a summoning stone for an Imp npc companion. You basically payed for max stat weapons. Did it make you OP? Nope. Same stats can be found on any weapon you can find in the game. They were just unique skins from the cash shop.
To me this whole thing screams ncsoft. I'm actually more concerned with more ramifications then just are the stats the same, with this game gear on average is gonna be much more cosmetic as there is no gear grind. Which means ultimately the average player is gonna be far more intrested going after the gear with his perfered look instead of worring about stats.
I'm much more concerned with a scenario where all the best looking armor comes from the cash shop and what kind of stigmas the potential community of this game will create because of it. What about the possibility that the difference visually (as i'm aware there is no stat difference) is as stark as a vanilla wow raider standing next to a non-raider.
I'm just listing concerns here, until we get more info, none of my concerns might have any reality to them.
To me this whole thing screams ncsoft. I'm actually more concerned with more ramifications then just are the stats the same, with this game gear on average is gonna be much more cosmetic as there is no gear grind. Which means ultimately the average player is gonna be far more intrested going after the gear with his perfered look instead of worring about stats.
I'm much more concerned with a scenario where all the best looking armor comes from the cash shop and what kind of stigmas the potential community of this game will create because of it. What about the possibility that the difference visually (as i'm aware there is no stat difference) is as stark as a vanilla wow raider standing next to a non-raider.
I'm just listing concerns here, until we get more info, none of my concerns might have any reality to them.
This is what I am hoping will not be the case. There HAS to be nice looking items in the cash shop and HAS to be nice items available in the game as well. Really though these two have to be separated. Unique items which you can not get in the shop as well as unique items you can not get in game. Here is hope that Anet will not mix the two.
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"Yes, micro-transactions will exist. Be assured goods and items bought for cash in GW2 do not offer any advantage over those available in the game through the investment of time."
And what's stopping them from making acquiring said goods and items through gameplay extremely tedious and difficult?
Nothing.
Well, good to find this out sooner rather than later.
It's not so much a conspiracy as it is an expectation of a very consistant pattern of behavior when it comes to cash shops in MMOs.
I heard from my mates best friend who knows a guy at Arena-net, that they are actually going to make the cash shop obligatory if you want to get above level 50.
Only you. Everyone else can play normally
I'm glad for the clarification but to be honest I was disappointed with the choice the wording.
The truth is that GW1 doesn't have Pay to Win, but it does have Pay to Skip (PVP skill and item unlock packs).
The change in wording definitely seemed like it was opening the door to allow Pay to Skip in GW2. Hopefully the clarification really does mean that nothing will give you ANY sort of advantage, but to be honest, it's still a little too ambiguous for my tastes. Though at least we know GW2 won't have PVP skill and item unlock packs (everything is unlocked).
I think we should all just wait and see and not get too worked up, but I know I'm going to be paying close attention to what is for sale in the store.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." -Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
I think they need to make an example list of the items they plan on offering before the game is released. This way, if we don't like the direction of their cash shop we can avoid purchasing the game. I've trusted Anet so far, but i was lead to believe it was cosmetic items only. I may not agree with their interpretation of what would offer no advantage.
Archlinux ftw
I just copied and pasted this from another site where I posted.
Without a doubt there will be armor and weapons available in the cash shop. Will it be more powerful than items in the game? Hell no. Anet will not make such a stupid mistake.
How will it be done? We do not know. Could be something similar to how HoM items will work is my guess. Also I am thinking that such items will most likely be unique to the cash shop and not found in the game.
To me that sounds like I could farm a sword for 3 months, Or i could buy it in the shop in 1 minute.
Only difference was the time it took to aquire
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I was thinking the same thing.
And in that case, it is an advantage.
Which sounds incredibily dull to me. I'm not a fan of OP gear that creates huge powergaps, but still like to see some incentive to craft and PvE for decent equipment to PvP with.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
No it is not an advantage. Such an item found in the cash shop is not any more powerful than any other sword you can get in the game. Sure the skin might be different but it is not more powerful. Only advantage would be that the person who paid cash for it will get it sooner than a person farming for it. FYI both are totally optional and not required in any way to be on par with the rest of the player base.
If this turns out to be the case i will not be buying the game.
Archlinux ftw
Why? You did not give a reason. You could be for more powerful weapons available in the cash shop(never gonna happen) or for weapons that give no statistical advantage available in the cash shop.
You will not be some low level guy running around with an OP weapon. Sure it might look bad ass but it is still gonna do the same damage as a weapon that is available for that level.
You gonna not play the game because some people who played GW1 and filled out their Hall of Monuments will get weapons and items you can not get in the game any other way? Those items will not be OP.
That is what I'm speaking of.
Instead of actually having to work for a specific weapon or armor, you could possibly buy it straight away in the cash shop.
From my point of view, that is an advantage.
Now mind you, I'm not saying this is what it's going to look like.
I'm just going from the speculation, if that would be how the cash shop worked.
Exactly, that's what i call pay to win.
Archlinux ftw
It is not pay to win. Max stat weapons will be common place and everyone and their gramma is gonna have them. They will not make you OP for your level. It just gives you a different skin. That item will do the same as every other item of the same type. It is the same thing if it was cash shop exclusive costumes or town clothing. That kind of stuff does not make you more powerful.
That is true.. And probably how it's going to look.
I would not worry too much about this. Most likely the items in the cash shop will be items with unique skins that are only available in the cash shop. I highly doubt they will make in game items widely available in the cash shop.
This clearly means to me that they will sell gear and weapons alongside vanity items, they will just give you the option to grind it in game or purchase it right away with real money.
This WILL BE the downfall of Guild Wars 2 if I am correct.
Pay2Win games suck.
"But you can get the items in game for free, so it's not P2W," No, it is, those items might take a long time to get, but the richer players are getting them in one second.
I seriously hope I am wrong about this, and that they only sell vanity items, I want to like Guild Wars 2!!
I'm pretty sure they've already stated they'll only be selling vanity items in the shop, so stop worrying
Well, looking at Guild Wars 1 cash shop, they only had cosmetic items. Like armors just for show.
I don't see how they couldn't just maintain those kind of items in the GW2 shop.
I have faith that ArenaNet wouldn't really pull any of that P2W stuff.
But I would be lying if I said I hadn't worried about the possibility..
I agree with you. Crap i've been telling everyone i know how great this game is and that it's buy 2 play and that the shop will be only for cosmetic items. I don't plan on busting my ass and finally be awarded with something decent for my effort, only to be laughed at by some kid whos mommy bought everything for him already in the cash shop. How lame is that?
Archlinux ftw
I think it was changed because character slots, bank space, and mission packs cannot be called cosmetic additions.
GW1 Game of the Year edition and plus preorders all gave you max stat weapons and items. GotY also gave you a summoning stone for an Imp npc companion. You basically payed for max stat weapons. Did it make you OP? Nope. Same stats can be found on any weapon you can find in the game. They were just unique skins from the cash shop.
To me this whole thing screams ncsoft. I'm actually more concerned with more ramifications then just are the stats the same, with this game gear on average is gonna be much more cosmetic as there is no gear grind. Which means ultimately the average player is gonna be far more intrested going after the gear with his perfered look instead of worring about stats.
I'm much more concerned with a scenario where all the best looking armor comes from the cash shop and what kind of stigmas the potential community of this game will create because of it. What about the possibility that the difference visually (as i'm aware there is no stat difference) is as stark as a vanilla wow raider standing next to a non-raider.
I'm just listing concerns here, until we get more info, none of my concerns might have any reality to them.
This is what I am hoping will not be the case. There HAS to be nice looking items in the cash shop and HAS to be nice items available in the game as well. Really though these two have to be separated. Unique items which you can not get in the shop as well as unique items you can not get in game. Here is hope that Anet will not mix the two.