And to the people in this thread talking about Hardware the Devs themselves said it dident work for both low and High end machines. You really should listen to your Idols more? Also it gives me pause to debate anything with you when you clearly dont listen to anyone? Not even the Developers at Bioware that you whorship...
Was that an attempt at forum PVP ?
You should hope not. Because if it was, you already lost.
Did the developers said it worked just fine?.. I must have been watching another live streem then you did then.... Funny how the Internet works...
But as I said before no point in talking.. Lost causes dont interest me...
I was agreeing with you. Read twice next time.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
And to the people in this thread talking about Hardware the Devs themselves said it dident work for both low and High end machines. You really should listen to your Idols more? Also it gives me pause to debate anything with you when you clearly dont listen to anyone? Not even the Developers at Bioware that you whorship...
Was that an attempt at forum PVP ?
Can forum PvP on MMORPG you get baned
No but it is better then PvP on Ilum
I wrote that to fast.. yes you do get baned over and over here for saying anything remotly negative and being right... Its the real fact of MMORPG..
And to the people in this thread talking about Hardware the Devs themselves said it dident work for both low and High end machines. You really should listen to your Idols more? Also it gives me pause to debate anything with you when you clearly dont listen to anyone? Not even the Developers at Bioware that you whorship...
Was that an attempt at forum PVP ?
You should hope not. Because if it was, you already lost.
Did the developers said it worked just fine?.. I must have been watching another live streem then you did then.... Funny how the Internet works...
But as I said before no point in talking.. Lost causes dont interest me...
I was agreeing with you. Read twice next time.
Its 2.39 am here Im spelling worse then usal and reading dubble hahah sorry about that....
Bah... 9/10ths of everything discussed/promised is "post 1.2".
See you next summit.
Well, they gotta have something to dangle for those dumb enough to have paid for six month subs ahead of time so they'll have a reason to resub.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Obviously not if I'm wasting time chatting with the stereotypical TOR troll...once again, my mistake.
Iselin cant you message me your andress and phonenumber I have a few scams I would like to use and I need a good mark.
Care to share with us what technical problem you yourself are having playing SWTOR? You do play it and not just repeat stuff you've heard somewhere, don't you?
Yes they're being polite because everyone in the software development business knows that there are some very ignorant but arrogant PC gamers out there with an inflated sense of self entitlement (probably because their parents still feed and clothes them, but I digress) so they just humor you until one day, magically, you figure it out (hint, an OS reinstall would be the best place to start...if you ARE having problems...if you DO play)
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Obviously not if I'm wasting time chatting with the stereotypical TOR troll...once again, my mistake.
Iselin cant you message me your andress and phonenumber I have a few scams I would like to use and I need a good mark.
Care to share with us what technical problem you yourself are having playing SWTOR? You do play it and not just repeat stuff you've heard somewhere, don't you?
Yes they're being polite because everyone in the software development business knows that there are some very ignorant but arrogant PC gamers out there with an inflated sense of self entitlement (probably because their parents still feed and clothes them, but I digress) so they just humor you until one day, magically, you figure it out (hint, an OS reinstall would be the best place to start...if you ARE having problems...if you DO play)
Well then, we obviously know you're not in the software development business, because noone takes a PR hits and admits their game runs like crap on many people's new computers just to "humor" them.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Obviously not if I'm wasting time chatting with the stereotypical TOR troll...once again, my mistake.
Iselin cant you message me your andress and phonenumber I have a few scams I would like to use and I need a good mark.
Care to share with us what technical problem you yourself are having playing SWTOR? You do play it and not just repeat stuff you've heard somewhere, don't you?
Yes they're being polite because everyone in the software development business knows that there are some very ignorant but arrogant PC gamers out there with an inflated sense of self entitlement (probably because their parents still feed and clothes them, but I digress) so they just humor you until one day, magically, you figure it out (hint, an OS reinstall would be the best place to start...if you ARE having problems...if you DO play)
I'm obviously not stupid so ofc Im not playing SWTOR and Im not planing to. Im not a Mark... I dont get scamed IRL and I dont get Scamed into buying a crapy game. And Iv allready said I never played the game.. So I do not understant why you asked me the question in the first place? Just scroll up the posts.. That you dident know that I wrote this just confirms what im saying and what Jacklo said.
Question; if I had Super-sand(that I picked in my backjard but I wont tell you that).. that I said was good for your nose to sniff would you buy it off me? and sniff it? I bet you would ......
Well then, we obviously know you're not in the software development business, because noone takes a PR hits and admits their game runs like crap on many people's new computers just to "humor" them.
Is "game runs like crap on many people's computers" what they said? [Mod Edit]
Got a link?
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
I'm obviously not stupid so ofc Im not playing SWTOR and Im not planing to....
Really? Well bowl me over! I never imagined someone who knows SFA about the game from their own experience would have such strong compulsions to participate in slamming what they know nothing about...oh wait...this is MMORPG.COM...never mind.
"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community ... but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots”
― Umberto Eco
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?” ― CD PROJEKT RED
Well then, we obviously know you're not in the software development business, because noone takes a PR hits and admits their game runs like crap on many people's new computers just to "humor" them.
Is "game runs like crap on many people's computers" what they said? Or are you just doing a bit of FOX News style editorializing there?
Bah... 9/10ths of everything discussed/promised is "post 1.2".
See you next summit.
Well, they gotta have something to dangle for those dumb enough to have paid for six month subs ahead of time so they'll have a reason to resub.
Its kinda sad that they will probably get them to do it... Its amazing but I guess we now know why Themeparks are such a good business modual.... They can say that elefants are pink and they can fly and the fans would just keeps coming back for more.
I'm obviously not stupid so ofc Im not playing SWTOR and Im not planing to....
Really? Well bowl me over! I never imagined someone who knows SFA about the game from their own experience would have such strong compulsions to participate in slamming what they know nothing about...oh wait...this is MMORPG.COM...never mind.
There are MORAL principles at stake here my friend... Im trying to help you help yourself. But I guess you might be a lost cause. I really do want to help you mate. Dont you see that? Im here for you, to help you not get scamed and tricked by greedy EA... that has turned BIoware into another crap company after buying it.
But I guess you dont want to be helped or acknowledge that you need it? first step to Recovry is admiting you have a problem. After you get to that point we can give you all the help that you need trust me we are here for you dude... And we wont give up on you...
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
And to the people in this thread talking about Hardware the Devs themselves said it dident work for both low and High end machines. You really should listen to your Idols more? Also it gives me pause to debate anything with you when you clearly dont listen to anyone? Not even the Developers at Bioware that you whorship...
Was that an attempt at forum PVP ?
You should hope not. Because if it was, you already lost.
ROFl, how did I lose? That was actually a serious question..
Originally posted by Zlayer77
I Can't forum PvP on MMORPG you get baned
Touche and gg
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I'm not sure that was discussed, may have missed it.
Is there a recruit option in place of an offspring slot?
If I understood correctly, they are thinking about the possibility of allowing you to add companions.
Also, do the legacy buffs function if you already have all 4 classes or do you have to reroll eveything again?
I got the impression that stuff would work ok if you already have the classes.
Sorry, I missed some parts while I was painting my grout in the shower. Anyone have an answer or copy of the video?
Green bits above
The Legacy topology isn't for companions in lower brackets, those are your alts (offspring). But since same genders can't have offspring to fill those slots, can they still recruit? You know, to make it realistic.
I just don't understand the angle or spin they are going to use to make it believable for immersion.
And how do I pass down my abilities to someone not of my blood? As a same gender.
I'm not sure that was discussed, may have missed it.
Is there a recruit option in place of an offspring slot?
If I understood correctly, they are thinking about the possibility of allowing you to add companions.
Also, do the legacy buffs function if you already have all 4 classes or do you have to reroll eveything again?
I got the impression that stuff would work ok if you already have the classes.
Sorry, I missed some parts while I was painting my grout in the shower. Anyone have an answer or copy of the video?
Green bits above
The Legacy topology isn't for companions in lower brackets, those are your alts (offspring). But since same genders can't have offspring to fill those slots, can they still recruit? You know, to make it realistic.
I just don't understand the angle or spin they are going to use to make it believable for immersion.
And how do I pass down my abilities to someone not of my blood? As a same gender.
There will be a new NPC ( who looks just like Arnold Schwartzenegger ) who will teach all males how to have babies.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
I'm not sure that was discussed, may have missed it.
Is there a recruit option in place of an offspring slot?
If I understood correctly, they are thinking about the possibility of allowing you to add companions.
Also, do the legacy buffs function if you already have all 4 classes or do you have to reroll eveything again?
I got the impression that stuff would work ok if you already have the classes.
Sorry, I missed some parts while I was painting my grout in the shower. Anyone have an answer or copy of the video?
Green bits above
The Legacy topology isn't for companions in lower brackets, those are your alts (offspring). But since same genders can't have offspring to fill those slots, can they still recruit? You know, to make it realistic.
I just don't understand the angle or spin they are going to use to make it believable for immersion.
And how do I pass down my abilities to someone not of my blood? As a same gender.
They spoke of allowing adoption and stuff like that, so I guess that covers much of what you ask.
I guess you pass abilities to those without your blood through 'training', much like people are influenced by peers? How this works with the force I don't know, but is that a 'blood' thing anyway or something lying dormant in everyone?
And to the people in this thread talking about Hardware the Devs themselves said it dident work for both low and High end machines. You really should listen to your Idols more? Also it gives me pause to debate anything with you when you clearly dont listen to anyone? Not even the Developers at Bioware that you whorship...
Was that an attempt at forum PVP ?
You should hope not. Because if it was, you already lost.
ROFl, how did I lose? That was actually a serious question..
Originally posted by Zlayer77
I Can't forum PvP on MMORPG you get baned
Touche and gg
Im going to bite... cant help myself The facts are that this little quote sums up everything I think about the game, and also what I think about the people who play it..
To me, SWTOR feels like another predictable and soulless experience. It’s akin to a slick Hollywood blockbuster movie with cardboard good guys and bad guys with copious amounts of explosions and special effects thrown in for good measure.
No longer are MMOs are created with the expectation that anything can happen. Those days are long past. If players were left to forge their own destinies it would result in chaos and conflict which would be unacceptable to the story obsessed new breed of video game designer who insists that every aspect of what a player does should be tightly controlled and scripted. You see, you as a player can’t be trusted.
Instead MMOs have become virtual sausage factories where the spectator-like player sits back and enjoys the ride. Game design has been reduced to process of crafting every moment of the player experience — nothing is left to chance — a philosophy that would make amusement park tycoon Walt Disney proud.
Nothing the devs do to this game will ever pull it away from being the above statment. And its not good enough for me. Im better then that. I feel far to superior to lower myself into playing something as cheesy and mainstream like SWTOR. Im way to hardcore and COOL to ever buy it. My friends are to hardcore and COOL also. We hang in our own ELITE MMOS and laugh at the weak and feeble that cant hack it in the games we play. That is the real truth.. But in recent years Iv gotten more and more upset with developers for making these dumb down game. But I now understand after watching that live streem.. They are also Hardcore and COOL because they are scaming YOU into buying these games. You can see it in the smirks on their faces when they look out into the crowed. You can see what they are thinking by looking into their eyes "hehe What a bunch of suckers, lets throw them a few bones and say we are fixing things later.. and take more money from them while they wait" The sad thing is that it looks to be working haha
My respect for themepark developers have gone up, because I honestly thought they were dumb, but after watching this I now understand they are very SMART.. and I respect a good Scam when I see one.. I honestly do... So my hand goes out to Bioware Well played sirs well played...
Im going to bite... cant help myself The facts are that this little quote sums up everything I think about the game, and also what I think about the people who play it..
To me, SWTOR feels like another predictable and soulless experience. It’s akin to a slick Hollywood blockbuster movie with cardboard good guys and bad guys with copious amounts of explosions and special effects thrown in for good measure.
No longer are MMOs are created with the expectation that anything can happen. Those days are long past. If players were left to forge their own destinies it would result in chaos and conflict which would be unacceptable to the story obsessed new breed of video game designer who insists that every aspect of what a player does should be tightly controlled and scripted. You see, you as a player can’t be trusted.
Instead MMOs have become virtual sausage factories where the spectator-like player sits back and enjoys the ride. Game design has been reduced to process of crafting every moment of the player experience — nothing is left to chance — a philosophy that would make amusement park tycoon Walt Disney proud.
Nothing the devs do to this game will ever pull it away from being the above statment. And its not good enough for me. Im better then that. I feel far to superior to lower myself into playing something as cheesy and mainstream like SWTOR. Im way to hardcore and COOL to ever buy it. My friends are to hardcore and COOL also. We hang in our own ELITE MMOS and laugh at the weak and feeble that cant hack it in the games we play. That is the real truth.. But in recent years Iv gotten more and more upset with developers for making these dumb down game. But I now understand after watching that live streem.. They are also Hardcore and COOL because they are scaming YOU into buying these games. You can see it in the smirks on their faces when they look out into the crowed. You can see what they are thinking by looking into their eyes "hehe What a bunch of suckers, lets throw them a few bones and say we are fixing things later.. and take more money from them while they wait" The sad thing is that it looks to be working haha
My respect for themepark developers have gone up, because I honestly thought they were dumb, but after watching this I now understand they are very SMART.. and I respect a good Scam when I see one.. I honestly do... So my hand goes out to Bioware Well played sirs well played...
Two things
One: you're talking to someone who quit due to their weak no consequence PVP.
Two: there are still games worth playing that offer PVP aside from EVE? "We hang in our own ELITE MMOS "
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Im going to bite... cant help myself The facts are that this little quote sums up everything I think about the game, and also what I think about the people who play it..
To me, SWTOR feels like another predictable and soulless experience. It’s akin to a slick Hollywood blockbuster movie with cardboard good guys and bad guys with copious amounts of explosions and special effects thrown in for good measure.
No longer are MMOs are created with the expectation that anything can happen. Those days are long past. If players were left to forge their own destinies it would result in chaos and conflict which would be unacceptable to the story obsessed new breed of video game designer who insists that every aspect of what a player does should be tightly controlled and scripted. You see, you as a player can’t be trusted.
Instead MMOs have become virtual sausage factories where the spectator-like player sits back and enjoys the ride. Game design has been reduced to process of crafting every moment of the player experience — nothing is left to chance — a philosophy that would make amusement park tycoon Walt Disney proud.
Nothing the devs do to this game will ever pull it away from being the above statment. And its not good enough for me. Im better then that. I feel far to superior to lower myself into playing something as cheesy and mainstream like SWTOR. Im way to hardcore and COOL to ever buy it. My friends are to hardcore and COOL also. We hang in our own ELITE MMOS and laugh at the weak and feeble that cant hack it in the games we play. That is the real truth.. But in recent years Iv gotten more and more upset with developers for making these dumb down game. But I now understand after watching that live streem.. They are also Hardcore and COOL because they are scaming YOU into buying these games. You can see it in the smirks on their faces when they look out into the crowed. You can see what they are thinking by looking into their eyes "hehe What a bunch of suckers, lets throw them a few bones and say we are fixing things later.. and take more money from them while they wait" The sad thing is that it looks to be working haha
My respect for themepark developers have gone up, because I honestly thought they were dumb, but after watching this I now understand they are very SMART.. and I respect a good Scam when I see one.. I honestly do... So my hand goes out to Bioware Well played sirs well played...
Two things
One: you're talking to someone who quit due to their weak no consequence PVP.
Two: there are still games worth playing that offer PVP aside from EVE? "We hang in our own ELITE MMOS "
[Mod Edit]
And yes there are other games other then EvE that are good for PvP and that are MMOS. MORTAL being one of them. The rest are Korean I have a high respect for the Korean grind games... There are a few themeparks coming out that have better and more skilled PvP also.. that might be worth a look if you are not diehard enough to play full loot PvP game. I would look at both GW2 and TERA if I was interested in something less hardcore but that offers way more then SWTOR did. They are themeparks but I personaly respect people that play them. Played CBT of TERA and you need some skills to kill BAMs solo and you also need skill to win In PVP.. Its still to themeparky for me but its a good first step in the right direction...
Comments
I was agreeing with you. Read twice next time.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
I wrote that to fast.. yes you do get baned over and over here for saying anything remotly negative and being right... Its the real fact of MMORPG..
Its 2.39 am here Im spelling worse then usal and reading dubble hahah sorry about that....
Iselin cant you message me your andress and phonenumber I have a few scams I would like to use and I need a good mark.
Bah... 9/10ths of everything discussed/promised is "post 1.2".
See you next summit.
Well, they gotta have something to dangle for those dumb enough to have paid for six month subs ahead of time so they'll have a reason to resub.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Care to share with us what technical problem you yourself are having playing SWTOR? You do play it and not just repeat stuff you've heard somewhere, don't you?
Yes they're being polite because everyone in the software development business knows that there are some very ignorant but arrogant PC gamers out there with an inflated sense of self entitlement (probably because their parents still feed and clothes them, but I digress) so they just humor you until one day, magically, you figure it out (hint, an OS reinstall would be the best place to start...if you ARE having problems...if you DO play)
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Well then, we obviously know you're not in the software development business, because noone takes a PR hits and admits their game runs like crap on many people's new computers just to "humor" them.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
I'm obviously not stupid so ofc Im not playing SWTOR and Im not planing to. Im not a Mark... I dont get scamed IRL and I dont get Scamed into buying a crapy game. And Iv allready said I never played the game.. So I do not understant why you asked me the question in the first place? Just scroll up the posts.. That you dident know that I wrote this just confirms what im saying and what Jacklo said.
Question; if I had Super-sand(that I picked in my backjard but I wont tell you that).. that I said was good for your nose to sniff would you buy it off me? and sniff it? I bet you would ......
Is "game runs like crap on many people's computers" what they said? [Mod Edit]
Got a link?
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
Really? Well bowl me over! I never imagined someone who knows SFA about the game from their own experience would have such strong compulsions to participate in slamming what they know nothing about...oh wait...this is MMORPG.COM...never mind.
“Microtransactions? In a single player role-playing game? Are you nuts?”
― CD PROJEKT RED
[Mod Edit]
Its kinda sad that they will probably get them to do it... Its amazing but I guess we now know why Themeparks are such a good business modual.... They can say that elefants are pink and they can fly and the fans would just keeps coming back for more.
[Mod Edit]
There are MORAL principles at stake here my friend... Im trying to help you help yourself. But I guess you might be a lost cause. I really do want to help you mate. Dont you see that? Im here for you, to help you not get scamed and tricked by greedy EA... that has turned BIoware into another crap company after buying it.
But I guess you dont want to be helped or acknowledge that you need it? first step to Recovry is admiting you have a problem. After you get to that point we can give you all the help that you need trust me we are here for you dude... And we wont give up on you...
How do Legacies and Same Gender Romances work?
Is there a recruit option in place of an offspring slot?
Also, do the legacy buffs function if you already have all 4 classes or do you have to reroll eveything again?
Sorry, I missed some parts while I was painting my grout in the shower. Anyone have an answer or copy of the video?
I don't consider myself "elite" at all.
I just have a really low give-a-fuck factor.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Dont me modest now you know you are better hehehe
Green bits above
ROFl, how did I lose? That was actually a serious question..
Touche and gg
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The Legacy topology isn't for companions in lower brackets, those are your alts (offspring). But since same genders can't have offspring to fill those slots, can they still recruit? You know, to make it realistic.
I just don't understand the angle or spin they are going to use to make it believable for immersion.
And how do I pass down my abilities to someone not of my blood? As a same gender.
There will be a new NPC ( who looks just like Arnold Schwartzenegger ) who will teach all males how to have babies.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
They spoke of allowing adoption and stuff like that, so I guess that covers much of what you ask.
I guess you pass abilities to those without your blood through 'training', much like people are influenced by peers? How this works with the force I don't know, but is that a 'blood' thing anyway or something lying dormant in everyone?
My take on it
That would be after 1.2 though I think.
Im going to bite... cant help myself The facts are that this little quote sums up everything I think about the game, and also what I think about the people who play it..
To me, SWTOR feels like another predictable and soulless experience. It’s akin to a slick Hollywood blockbuster movie with cardboard good guys and bad guys with copious amounts of explosions and special effects thrown in for good measure.
No longer are MMOs are created with the expectation that anything can happen. Those days are long past. If players were left to forge their own destinies it would result in chaos and conflict which would be unacceptable to the story obsessed new breed of video game designer who insists that every aspect of what a player does should be tightly controlled and scripted. You see, you as a player can’t be trusted.
Instead MMOs have become virtual sausage factories where the spectator-like player sits back and enjoys the ride. Game design has been reduced to process of crafting every moment of the player experience — nothing is left to chance — a philosophy that would make amusement park tycoon Walt Disney proud.
Nothing the devs do to this game will ever pull it away from being the above statment. And its not good enough for me. Im better then that. I feel far to superior to lower myself into playing something as cheesy and mainstream like SWTOR. Im way to hardcore and COOL to ever buy it. My friends are to hardcore and COOL also. We hang in our own ELITE MMOS and laugh at the weak and feeble that cant hack it in the games we play. That is the real truth.. But in recent years Iv gotten more and more upset with developers for making these dumb down game. But I now understand after watching that live streem.. They are also Hardcore and COOL because they are scaming YOU into buying these games. You can see it in the smirks on their faces when they look out into the crowed. You can see what they are thinking by looking into their eyes "hehe What a bunch of suckers, lets throw them a few bones and say we are fixing things later.. and take more money from them while they wait" The sad thing is that it looks to be working haha
My respect for themepark developers have gone up, because I honestly thought they were dumb, but after watching this I now understand they are very SMART.. and I respect a good Scam when I see one.. I honestly do... So my hand goes out to Bioware Well played sirs well played...
Two things
One: you're talking to someone who quit due to their weak no consequence PVP.
Two: there are still games worth playing that offer PVP aside from EVE? "We hang in our own ELITE MMOS "
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
[Mod Edit]
And yes there are other games other then EvE that are good for PvP and that are MMOS. MORTAL being one of them. The rest are Korean I have a high respect for the Korean grind games... There are a few themeparks coming out that have better and more skilled PvP also.. that might be worth a look if you are not diehard enough to play full loot PvP game. I would look at both GW2 and TERA if I was interested in something less hardcore but that offers way more then SWTOR did. They are themeparks but I personaly respect people that play them. Played CBT of TERA and you need some skills to kill BAMs solo and you also need skill to win In PVP.. Its still to themeparky for me but its a good first step in the right direction...