If EA gets my Marauder to shoot Kamehamehas, I'm subbing for the life of the game.
Gonna push for this one.
Feck da immurshons.
I have to say. Not worth resubbing but it would be amusing to see my sorc do Death From Above. Frankly their aoe skill is better anyways but it would look funny as hell doing the bh one.
Watching a sith warrior kick someone in the balls..
Priceless.
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Yes because giving players more options is such a fail?
Those options should have been in from the start. They should have never restricted any of the species to a certain faction. There's also so many things that should of been in the game already but are now tieing it to the legacy system. All these little neat powers and buffs really only are good if you are an altaholic. What happens to the people that are interested in the time vested into their main character. Also, i didn't see anyone ask, what are they gonna do to make the planets more open and less sharded. One guy asked about day/night cycles and they just never even answered. What about all those empty cantina's that serve no purpose at all other than a rest area to log off in. Wouldn't some type of out of combat activites/social proffessions that let's players interact and socialize be much better than just the fleet, of course these things don't seem to be much of a priority to Bioware. Not everybody wants to run from hub to hub killing all day long.
The biggest disapointment in today was, i really couldn't tell if that was Bioware devs or Blizzard devs. It seems like those guys are just enamored with that game and can't even get their own system lingo correct. If i wanted to play WOW i would still be playing it. I will give them this, for what they are adding, it will enhance the game, but even that won't make this a real mmorpg, and that hurts me saying that because i had high expectations for this title but after the first runthrough to 50, you can clearly see the gaping holes that this mmo lite game has to offer. They clearly made KOTOR 3 thru 10 with a multiplayer option tacked on.
HAHAHAHHA LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL how can Bioware fail so hard?
It gets better. Now you can have your smuggler or bounty hunter using Force Choke, lightning, etc, etc.
And in SWG they had flying ewoks with wings, in Skyrim people add my little pony tents and bedrolls, why? Because they don't give a damn about lore and only care about having fun. There's no reason to take a game which isn't even considered offcial canon so seriously.
If people want a hardcore to the bones Star Wars RPG, pick up the FO geck and make it.
Didn't SWG - the star wars MMO everyone was saying is soooooooo much ebtter then SWTOR - Also have millions of jedi in a time period when any jedi in public would of been killed on sight, and JEDI WOOKIES!
Yes it did. And we see where it ended up shortly after that was allowed. In the bargain bin.
I'm sorry, let me just..Enjoy the beauty of how ignorant this post is.
Deny it all you like, this post is pure ignorance. Why might you ask? Let me explain. This post is only taking into account one thing out of MANY that that patch did to SWG. In fact, no one complained about the wookie jedi or the over abundance of jedi when it didn't fit the lore. What made people quit was A COMPLETE OVERHAUL OF THE GAME DESIGN AND THE VERY CORE OF HOW IT PLAYED.
Yea, its like if they turned pokemon into a fighter and then claiming it was a new pokemon design that turned people away. Or turning call of duty into a flight sim and saying it was the character models that did it.
You shouldn't mention ignorance when you're the one displaying it. Noone complained?
EVERY FUCKING PERSON WHO BUSTED THEIR ASS TO UNLOCK THEIR JEDI ONLY TO SEE IT GIVEN FREELY TO THE WHOLE DAMN PLAYERBASE COMPLAINED!
Jedi everywhere was the beginning of the end. CU was the middle. NGE was the end.
But they didn't bitcha bout the LORE they bitched that "Why should I of worked my ass off when you're just going to give it away to these noobs", thats a completely different thing. People did it on WoW when they introduced death knights because they started at level 55, and again when they lowered the mount level, pretty much any time blizzard makes something easier people bitch about new guys getting it for free.
again, its not the LORE they're bitching about.
Playing Nothing waiting for The secret world Played WoW, DCU online, star wars: the old republic, city of heroes, city of villains, everquest, plenty more I'm probably forgetting or aren't worth noting.
So how is this going to work with healing abilities? Does this mean someone can be traited solely as dps but use legacy abilities to essentially be a healer as well if they have an alt heal specced? Are there any restrictions on how often these abilities or what abilities can be used? Seems like if they aren't careful this could make some combos insanely op.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Yes because giving players more options is such a fail?
Those options should have been in from the start. They should have never restricted any of the species to a certain faction. There's also so many things that should of been in the game already but are now tieing it to the legacy system. All these little neat powers and buffs really only are good if you are an altaholic. What happens to the people that are interested in the time vested into their main character. Also, i didn't see anyone ask, what are they gonna do to make the planets more open and less sharded. One guy asked about day/night cycles and they just never even answered. What about all those empty cantina's that serve no purpose at all other than a rest area to log off in. Wouldn't some type of out of combat activites/social proffessions that let's players interact and socialize be much better than just the fleet, of course these things don't seem to be much of a priority to Bioware. Not everybody wants to run from hub to hub killing all day long.
The biggest disapointment in today was, i really couldn't tell if that was Bioware devs or Blizzard devs. It seems like those guys are just enamored with that game and can't even get their own system lingo correct. If i wanted to play WOW i would still be playing it. I will give them this, for what they are adding, it will enhance the game, but even that won't make this a real mmorpg, and that hurts me saying that because i had high expectations for this title but after the first runthrough to 50, you can clearly see the gaping holes that this mmo lite game has to offer. They clearly made KOTOR 3 thru 10 with a multiplayer option tacked on.
Well no ones really saying its a good or a bad game. Personally I was heartedly disappointed in the game and I am un-subbed. Will this move save the game? No and to pretend it will is just idiotic. But it is a move in the right direction, even if it is only a tiny move.
Playing Nothing waiting for The secret world Played WoW, DCU online, star wars: the old republic, city of heroes, city of villains, everquest, plenty more I'm probably forgetting or aren't worth noting.
So how is this going to work with healing abilities? Does this mean someone can be traited solely as dps but use legacy abilities to essentially be a healer as well if they have an alt heal specced? Are there any restrictions on how often these abilities or what abilities can be used? Seems like if they aren't careful this could make some combos insanely op.
Personally, I don't know. I put my money on there being restrictions to what classes can use what abilities but I don't know them or if there will be restrictions. It just seems like a really boneheaded move to just say "Hey, you know that class we built to be a pure DPS? Lets give him healing and tank abilities too!"
Playing Nothing waiting for The secret world Played WoW, DCU online, star wars: the old republic, city of heroes, city of villains, everquest, plenty more I'm probably forgetting or aren't worth noting.
So how is this going to work with healing abilities? Does this mean someone can be traited solely as dps but use legacy abilities to essentially be a healer as well if they have an alt heal specced? Are there any restrictions on how often these abilities or what abilities can be used? Seems like if they aren't careful this could make some combos insanely op.
Personally, I don't know. I put my money on there being restrictions to what classes can use what abilities but I don't know them or if there will be restrictions. It just seems like a really boneheaded move to just say "Hey, you know that class we built to be a pure DPS? Lets give him healing and tank abilities too!"
Yeah, I sure hope so. Otherwise some that are already balking about PvP may just have their heads blow up like those dudes from Scanners.
XD
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
This is going to be hilarious to see the amount of force chokes and lightnings being used in war zones. Well, least sages that have alts won't have to gripe anymore about being hosed compared to their mirror's abilities. Since they can simply use them now.
They don't work in WZ's. They're PVE only, although, how they intend to implement this and still have world PVP, given their track record, is baffling.
This is going to be hilarious to see the amount of force chokes and lightnings being used in war zones. Well, least sages that have alts won't have to gripe anymore about being hosed compared to their mirror's abilities. Since they can simply use them now.
They don't work in WZ's. They're PVE only, although, how they intend to implement this and still have world PVP, given their track record, is baffling.
Ah okay, well suppose it isn't a biggie then.
Unless players start expecting people to be legacy traited in certain specs to run content. Would seem silly to me but I've learned to never underestimate the expectations of mmo players anymore.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
So how is this going to work with healing abilities? Does this mean someone can be traited solely as dps but use legacy abilities to essentially be a healer as well if they have an alt heal specced? Are there any restrictions on how often these abilities or what abilities can be used? Seems like if they aren't careful this could make some combos insanely op.
Personally, I don't know. I put my money on there being restrictions to what classes can use what abilities but I don't know them or if there will be restrictions. It just seems like a really boneheaded move to just say "Hey, you know that class we built to be a pure DPS? Lets give him healing and tank abilities too!"
This is going to be hilarious to see the amount of force chokes and lightnings being used in war zones. Well, least sages that have alts won't have to gripe anymore about being hosed compared to their mirror's abilities. Since they can simply use them now.
They don't work in WZ's. They're PVE only, although, how they intend to implement this and still have world PVP, given their track record, is baffling.
I guess they could handle it the same way they handle PVP stims, as they won't work in certain zones.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So how is this going to work with healing abilities? Does this mean someone can be traited solely as dps but use legacy abilities to essentially be a healer as well if they have an alt heal specced? Are there any restrictions on how often these abilities or what abilities can be used? Seems like if they aren't careful this could make some combos insanely op.
These legacy abilities are supposed to be on a 20 min CD. Which, given what they're claiming to want ot do, doens't really make sense. 20 mins is a really long CD. I'm betting, though I don't know this for sure, that the CD will be shared. So, is it really worth it for ONE ability you can only use every 20 mins?
I watched about 2 hours of the streamed Q&A. At different points I held conflicting opinions. At times, they sounded like spin doctors. At others, I felt they had some very cool ideas and had the impression they really thought they could pull it off. I think the hype SWTOR generated has or will be exceeded by the hype for 1.2. It has literally taken on messianic qualities. If they can deliver on it, it just may be the shot in the arm the game needs. However, like a lot of you, I was an ardent supporter, eagerly anticipating the game. However, after two run throughs to 50 and doing several HM FP's and starting the daily/pvp grinds, I have cooled. They've been accused of doing 'WoW with Lightsabers'. I don't feel this is entirely accurate. I think they DID copy a lot of WoW stuff, but what they copied were the WORST aspects of WoW. I mean, had they actually set out to make WoW with Lightsabers and done just that, I think they might have ended up with a better product.
I'm already hard to kill as it is being heal specced on my sorc and by no means am I a good PvP player. You allow me to have the same healing capabilities and open up my chances to severely increase my dps too more than what I already have? Yeah...gonna be a long day for those going up against me.
Until of course everyone and their mother starts doing the same thing haha
Then the fact that I'm maybe average at PvP at best will shine through again heh.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
"Oh but the LORE goes this way" or "Canon says THIS"
Meh. It's Star Wars. A person would think they would all be used to Canon changes by now.
lucas had a very weak grasp on things like lore..and canon....Luke and leia being related, darth vader being their father, just to name a few off the top of my head.
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This is going to be hilarious to see the amount of force chokes and lightnings being used in war zones. Well, least sages that have alts won't have to gripe anymore about being hosed compared to their mirror's abilities. Since they can simply use them now.
They don't work in WZ's. They're PVE only, although, how they intend to implement this and still have world PVP, given their track record, is baffling.
I guess they could handle it the same way they handle PVP stims, as they won't work in certain zones.
Yeah, but do YOU trust them to be able to pull that off? While the launch was reasonably good, the REALLY shot themselves in the foot when they started to try patching things. The 1.1.4 patch of 2-3 weeks ago was THE FIRST patch they dropped on Tuesday that they didn't have to patch again to un-fuck things on Thursday.
They need to realize they've lost a LOT of respect/trust of the community with their bungling.
This is going to be hilarious to see the amount of force chokes and lightnings being used in war zones. Well, least sages that have alts won't have to gripe anymore about being hosed compared to their mirror's abilities. Since they can simply use them now.
They don't work in WZ's. They're PVE only, although, how they intend to implement this and still have world PVP, given their track record, is baffling.
Ah okay, well suppose it isn't a biggie then.
Unless players start expecting people to be legacy traited in certain specs to run content. Would seem silly to me but I've learned to never underestimate the expectations of mmo players anymore.
Don't quote me on this, but I also remember there being SOMETHING to do with these abilities ONLY work with a companion out. So that right there also indicates just how NOT useful these will be.
Yeah, but do YOU trust them to be able to pull that off? While the launch was reasonably good, the REALLY shot themselves in the foot when they started to try patching things. The 1.1.4 patch of 2-3 weeks ago was THE FIRST patch they dropped on Tuesday that they didn't have to patch again to un-fuck things on Thursday.
They need to realize they've lost a LOT of respect/trust of the community with their bungling.
Well, considering the size of this update there are bound to be issues with it.
No, I'm not taking a jab at BW. Think it is safe to say regardless the company considering how many changes are being done there are bound to be some things that go wrong or have unintended consequences. I think players need to realize this. What matters is how quickly BW responds and fixes the issues that may arise.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
This is going to be hilarious to see the amount of force chokes and lightnings being used in war zones. Well, least sages that have alts won't have to gripe anymore about being hosed compared to their mirror's abilities. Since they can simply use them now.
They don't work in WZ's. They're PVE only, although, how they intend to implement this and still have world PVP, given their track record, is baffling.
Ah okay, well suppose it isn't a biggie then.
Unless players start expecting people to be legacy traited in certain specs to run content. Would seem silly to me but I've learned to never underestimate the expectations of mmo players anymore.
Don't quote me on this, but I also remember there being SOMETHING to do with these abilities ONLY work with a companion out. So that right there also indicates just how NOT useful these will be.
If that is true it basically turns it into a "making leveling easier" thing.
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Don't quote me on this, but I also remember there being SOMETHING to do with these abilities ONLY work with a companion out. So that right there also indicates just how NOT useful these will be.
Rally? Well, if that's the case and having a twenty minute cd I suppose these are meant more for aesthetic purposes and quirkiness than anything else. Thanks for the info.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Yeah, but do YOU trust them to be able to pull that off? While the launch was reasonably good, the REALLY shot themselves in the foot when they started to try patching things. The 1.1.4 patch of 2-3 weeks ago was THE FIRST patch they dropped on Tuesday that they didn't have to patch again to un-fuck things on Thursday.
They need to realize they've lost a LOT of respect/trust of the community with their bungling.
Well, considering the size of this update there are bound to be issues with it.
No, I'm not taking a jab at BW. Think it is safe to say regardless the company considering how many changes are being done there are bound to be some things that go wrong or have unintended consequences. I think players need to realize this. What matters is how quickly BW responds and fixes the issues that may arise.
I agree. I was talking with a friend and it comes down to, yes, this game IS only 2-3 months old and maybe it's a bit premature to expect EVERYTHING to be in the game from the beginning. The old 'WoW didn't even have xxx for the first 2 years'. That being said, the elephant in the room is, WoW has spoiled all of us. For better or worse, WoW has set the bar REALLY high. THAT'S the market right now. And if you want to play with the big boys, you better be able to compete. Right now, they're not competing. They're not totally dead. But they have a limited grace period. The window is closing. I upped for a 6mo subscription because I felt that was sufficient/reasonable time to give them to get things straightened out. If, after that time, they're still screwing up every Tuesday patch and needing to patch Thursday, I'll probably move on.
To what, I don't know. It's understandable that there are fanbois and haters. EVERY game has those. What's happening here and on the official forums is those of us in the middle are beginning to take a hard look at what they've done and what they're about to do.
This is going to be hilarious to see the amount of force chokes and lightnings being used in war zones. Well, least sages that have alts won't have to gripe anymore about being hosed compared to their mirror's abilities. Since they can simply use them now.
They don't work in WZ's. They're PVE only, although, how they intend to implement this and still have world PVP, given their track record, is baffling.
Ah okay, well suppose it isn't a biggie then.
Unless players start expecting people to be legacy traited in certain specs to run content. Would seem silly to me but I've learned to never underestimate the expectations of mmo players anymore.
Don't quote me on this, but I also remember there being SOMETHING to do with these abilities ONLY work with a companion out. So that right there also indicates just how NOT useful these will be.
If that is true it basically turns it into a "making leveling easier" thing.
At which point we circle back around to "Star Wars:The Old Republic: Alt Edition". It's a valid complaint. And that's coming from someone who's still subscribed and playing. I'll roll a couple alts. I'm on my second 50 and I've got another lower level I'm working up to see the story. But.... that can't be ALL this game is.
Yeah, but do YOU trust them to be able to pull that off? While the launch was reasonably good, the REALLY shot themselves in the foot when they started to try patching things. The 1.1.4 patch of 2-3 weeks ago was THE FIRST patch they dropped on Tuesday that they didn't have to patch again to un-fuck things on Thursday.
They need to realize they've lost a LOT of respect/trust of the community with their bungling.
Well, considering the size of this update there are bound to be issues with it.
No, I'm not taking a jab at BW. Think it is safe to say regardless the company considering how many changes are being done there are bound to be some things that go wrong or have unintended consequences. I think players need to realize this. What matters is how quickly BW responds and fixes the issues that may arise.
That's actually one of the more encouraging things I heard. They're in the process of taking some of the guilds who attended this summit and copying 50's over to the PTS to do more extensive testing. Now, you can argue 'copy to pts' should have been there from the beginning and I'd even go as far as to say that a large majority of the problems they've run into could've been addressed by a better QA dept. It's outright idiotic they expected subscribers to separately level chars to 50 on the PTS to test things.
But, it's encouraging to see them recognize and admit their mistakes and learn from them.
Yeah, but do YOU trust them to be able to pull that off? While the launch was reasonably good, the REALLY shot themselves in the foot when they started to try patching things. The 1.1.4 patch of 2-3 weeks ago was THE FIRST patch they dropped on Tuesday that they didn't have to patch again to un-fuck things on Thursday.
They need to realize they've lost a LOT of respect/trust of the community with their bungling.
If I trusted them I wouldn't have unsubbed in January, I didn't feel they had the foundation to make what I expect from PVP in a game
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
This is going to be hilarious to see the amount of force chokes and lightnings being used in war zones. Well, least sages that have alts won't have to gripe anymore about being hosed compared to their mirror's abilities. Since they can simply use them now.
They don't work in WZ's. They're PVE only, although, how they intend to implement this and still have world PVP, given their track record, is baffling.
Ah okay, well suppose it isn't a biggie then.
Unless players start expecting people to be legacy traited in certain specs to run content. Would seem silly to me but I've learned to never underestimate the expectations of mmo players anymore.
Don't quote me on this, but I also remember there being SOMETHING to do with these abilities ONLY work with a companion out. So that right there also indicates just how NOT useful these will be.
If that is true it basically turns it into a "making leveling easier" thing.
At which point we circle back around to "Star Wars:The Old Republic: Alt Edition". It's a valid complaint. And that's coming from someone who's still subscribed and playing. I'll roll a couple alts. I'm on my second 50 and I've got another lower level I'm working up to see the story. But.... that can't be ALL this game is.
Well that I agree with wholeheartedly, They need to focus more on making end game better and less on making leveling alts funner. Alts should be no the back burner, an after thought. But at the same time this change doesn't ruin anything, it just doesn't fix anything either.
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Watching a sith warrior kick someone in the balls..
Priceless.
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Those options should have been in from the start. They should have never restricted any of the species to a certain faction. There's also so many things that should of been in the game already but are now tieing it to the legacy system. All these little neat powers and buffs really only are good if you are an altaholic. What happens to the people that are interested in the time vested into their main character. Also, i didn't see anyone ask, what are they gonna do to make the planets more open and less sharded. One guy asked about day/night cycles and they just never even answered. What about all those empty cantina's that serve no purpose at all other than a rest area to log off in. Wouldn't some type of out of combat activites/social proffessions that let's players interact and socialize be much better than just the fleet, of course these things don't seem to be much of a priority to Bioware. Not everybody wants to run from hub to hub killing all day long.
The biggest disapointment in today was, i really couldn't tell if that was Bioware devs or Blizzard devs. It seems like those guys are just enamored with that game and can't even get their own system lingo correct. If i wanted to play WOW i would still be playing it. I will give them this, for what they are adding, it will enhance the game, but even that won't make this a real mmorpg, and that hurts me saying that because i had high expectations for this title but after the first runthrough to 50, you can clearly see the gaping holes that this mmo lite game has to offer. They clearly made KOTOR 3 thru 10 with a multiplayer option tacked on.
But they didn't bitcha bout the LORE they bitched that "Why should I of worked my ass off when you're just going to give it away to these noobs", thats a completely different thing. People did it on WoW when they introduced death knights because they started at level 55, and again when they lowered the mount level, pretty much any time blizzard makes something easier people bitch about new guys getting it for free.
again, its not the LORE they're bitching about.
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So how is this going to work with healing abilities? Does this mean someone can be traited solely as dps but use legacy abilities to essentially be a healer as well if they have an alt heal specced? Are there any restrictions on how often these abilities or what abilities can be used? Seems like if they aren't careful this could make some combos insanely op.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Well no ones really saying its a good or a bad game. Personally I was heartedly disappointed in the game and I am un-subbed. Will this move save the game? No and to pretend it will is just idiotic. But it is a move in the right direction, even if it is only a tiny move.
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Personally, I don't know. I put my money on there being restrictions to what classes can use what abilities but I don't know them or if there will be restrictions. It just seems like a really boneheaded move to just say "Hey, you know that class we built to be a pure DPS? Lets give him healing and tank abilities too!"
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Yeah, I sure hope so. Otherwise some that are already balking about PvP may just have their heads blow up like those dudes from Scanners.
XD
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
They don't work in WZ's. They're PVE only, although, how they intend to implement this and still have world PVP, given their track record, is baffling.
Ah okay, well suppose it isn't a biggie then.
Unless players start expecting people to be legacy traited in certain specs to run content. Would seem silly to me but I've learned to never underestimate the expectations of mmo players anymore.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
Why would it be a bonehead move?
I guess they could handle it the same way they handle PVP stims, as they won't work in certain zones.
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Meh. It's Star Wars. A person would think they would all be used to Canon changes by now.
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These legacy abilities are supposed to be on a 20 min CD. Which, given what they're claiming to want ot do, doens't really make sense. 20 mins is a really long CD. I'm betting, though I don't know this for sure, that the CD will be shared. So, is it really worth it for ONE ability you can only use every 20 mins?
I watched about 2 hours of the streamed Q&A. At different points I held conflicting opinions. At times, they sounded like spin doctors. At others, I felt they had some very cool ideas and had the impression they really thought they could pull it off. I think the hype SWTOR generated has or will be exceeded by the hype for 1.2. It has literally taken on messianic qualities. If they can deliver on it, it just may be the shot in the arm the game needs. However, like a lot of you, I was an ardent supporter, eagerly anticipating the game. However, after two run throughs to 50 and doing several HM FP's and starting the daily/pvp grinds, I have cooled. They've been accused of doing 'WoW with Lightsabers'. I don't feel this is entirely accurate. I think they DID copy a lot of WoW stuff, but what they copied were the WORST aspects of WoW. I mean, had they actually set out to make WoW with Lightsabers and done just that, I think they might have ended up with a better product.
I'm already hard to kill as it is being heal specced on my sorc and by no means am I a good PvP player. You allow me to have the same healing capabilities and open up my chances to severely increase my dps too more than what I already have? Yeah...gonna be a long day for those going up against me.
Until of course everyone and their mother starts doing the same thing haha
Then the fact that I'm maybe average at PvP at best will shine through again heh.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
lucas had a very weak grasp on things like lore..and canon....Luke and leia being related, darth vader being their father, just to name a few off the top of my head.
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Yeah, but do YOU trust them to be able to pull that off? While the launch was reasonably good, the REALLY shot themselves in the foot when they started to try patching things. The 1.1.4 patch of 2-3 weeks ago was THE FIRST patch they dropped on Tuesday that they didn't have to patch again to un-fuck things on Thursday.
They need to realize they've lost a LOT of respect/trust of the community with their bungling.
Don't quote me on this, but I also remember there being SOMETHING to do with these abilities ONLY work with a companion out. So that right there also indicates just how NOT useful these will be.
Well, considering the size of this update there are bound to be issues with it.
No, I'm not taking a jab at BW. Think it is safe to say regardless the company considering how many changes are being done there are bound to be some things that go wrong or have unintended consequences. I think players need to realize this. What matters is how quickly BW responds and fixes the issues that may arise.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
If that is true it basically turns it into a "making leveling easier" thing.
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Rally? Well, if that's the case and having a twenty minute cd I suppose these are meant more for aesthetic purposes and quirkiness than anything else. Thanks for the info.
1. For god's sake mmo gamers, enough with the analogies. They're unnecessary and your comparisons are terrible, dissimilar, and illogical.
2. To posters feeling the need to state how f2p really isn't f2p: Players understand the concept. You aren't privy to some secret the rest are missing. You're embarrassing yourself.
3. Yes, Cpt. Obvious, we're not industry experts. Now run along and let the big people use the forums for their purpose.
I agree. I was talking with a friend and it comes down to, yes, this game IS only 2-3 months old and maybe it's a bit premature to expect EVERYTHING to be in the game from the beginning. The old 'WoW didn't even have xxx for the first 2 years'. That being said, the elephant in the room is, WoW has spoiled all of us. For better or worse, WoW has set the bar REALLY high. THAT'S the market right now. And if you want to play with the big boys, you better be able to compete. Right now, they're not competing. They're not totally dead. But they have a limited grace period. The window is closing. I upped for a 6mo subscription because I felt that was sufficient/reasonable time to give them to get things straightened out. If, after that time, they're still screwing up every Tuesday patch and needing to patch Thursday, I'll probably move on.
To what, I don't know. It's understandable that there are fanbois and haters. EVERY game has those. What's happening here and on the official forums is those of us in the middle are beginning to take a hard look at what they've done and what they're about to do.
At which point we circle back around to "Star Wars:The Old Republic: Alt Edition". It's a valid complaint. And that's coming from someone who's still subscribed and playing. I'll roll a couple alts. I'm on my second 50 and I've got another lower level I'm working up to see the story. But.... that can't be ALL this game is.
That's actually one of the more encouraging things I heard. They're in the process of taking some of the guilds who attended this summit and copying 50's over to the PTS to do more extensive testing. Now, you can argue 'copy to pts' should have been there from the beginning and I'd even go as far as to say that a large majority of the problems they've run into could've been addressed by a better QA dept. It's outright idiotic they expected subscribers to separately level chars to 50 on the PTS to test things.
But, it's encouraging to see them recognize and admit their mistakes and learn from them.
If I trusted them I wouldn't have unsubbed in January, I didn't feel they had the foundation to make what I expect from PVP in a game
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Well that I agree with wholeheartedly, They need to focus more on making end game better and less on making leveling alts funner. Alts should be no the back burner, an after thought. But at the same time this change doesn't ruin anything, it just doesn't fix anything either.
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