1.7 million at the end of February is very impressive. I'm not sure HOW they are doing it but congrats to them. Makes you wonder about those XFire numbers.
1.7 million at the end of February is very impressive. I'm not sure HOW they are doing it but congrats to them. Makes you wonder about those XFire numbers.
Xfire only records numbers of people playing the game, not subs, wouldnt be the first time that people were subbed to a game they werent playing. Then again, Xfire numbers represent a very small percentage of the playerbase, and may represent an increased number of the 'floater' variety of gamer that doesnt stick to any particular game anyway.
anyway, Xfire does not equate to sub numbers, just a sample of player numbers at any particular time, how accurate it is, will always be a bone of contention.
Best to publish 1 month old news. Always good to keep people up to date, especially when they live 1 month behind the real world.
Good job, MMORPG.com!
This announcement was made 3-8-2012 the numbers were for the end of febuary. Are you from some alternate realty were time moves faster and its currently april.
i,m kind of curious..did they wait to release these figures after the game was released in Asia?.because no way on planet earth did they have that sub-base before.oh well they must have employed the same spin doctor as Tony Blair,cos he is full of s--t as well.
I hope that you are joking because then you just bothered to read the title before the almost troll post. INCASE your not let me help you read the whole thing, just incase
"We continue to feel comfortable with our Star Wars estimates which are an important part of our street-high FY13 non-GAAP EPS estimate of $1.36. We estimate 2MM paying subs by the end of June 2012 (and then sustained for the remainder of the year). We also note that the company plans to launch Star Wars in the Asia-Pacific region later this month," Creutz said in a statement.
Again if you are joking and being sarcastiv then i apologise but you never do know some people just troll on over when they just read a title i mean how could someone claim there spinning words when they didn't even read the whole thing? right? pfft either way
You all i believe are way too emotional over this and are really nit picking pulling game time cards and such i hardly see such arguments over any other games and 1.7mil ish subs is good none the less for an MMO even if you hate it with your guts it doesnt mean everyone else needs to sure there are the multi month, time cards, already canceled but what major MMOs dont have those? I know its new so theres more but again i didn't see such a problem when those other games released and TOR is a good solid games not without its problems but def far from a failured bug ridden launch. Just relax a bit guys its ok the world is not going to end..its ok i hate EA to i hate them sooooo very much but it is ok... i hope it will be at least but dont let your hoppy your enjoyment enrage you so them you won't love it anymore then it'll just be another part of life, another wife, another job, another boss.....
Obviously the anecdotal evidence and (lol) Xfire numbers poured over by the "experts" of mmorpg.com trumps anything a CEO might say!
hehe love this post.......so true.
I am still playing swtor and when patch 1.2 hits i aint leaving either....the legacy features and guild features are comming....more then enough for me....if i get get bored i might even tery pvp in this game (i didnt even tough it because i realy dont think a 2 faction pvp could EVER work IMHO).
It's funny how Bioware, a company which was probably the most loved company on the site before SWTOR came out.. is somehow the most hated.
Just like Mythic before Warhammer came out. Or Blizzard before hating WoW was cool. Or Cryptic until STO. Or Square/Enix before FFXIV. Or Funcom before AoC.. ok well maybe not. But somehow Funcom will be awesome again with TSW. Well, until it releases and then they'll be hated again.
Makes you wonder what will happen to ArenaNet when GW2 comes out. Pretty soon there won't be any MMO developers left because all their games will have "failed."
Glad to see there's enough hate to go around. I'm sure whatever MMO comes out next will be the next one to be an "epic failure" and be flamed by people with nothing better to do.
Do you know when a game is doing bad? Not when there are tons of hate threads floating around and people feel that they have to post something in them.
The game truly dies (in terms of interest) when people don't care to even open the thread and see what the fuzz is all about.
I have a question, so what if in 6 to 8 months from now Swtor has 1.7 million or above subs, what excuse will you come with with next?
I really understand that some of you might not be happy Swtor and you have a right to dislike it, but to believe your own lies is just as pathetic as creationist disputing the validity of evolution, you may not like the fact that Swtor is doing well but to blindly discredit the facts is plain foolish and only make those that do look like dumb asses. lol
For the sake of all humans on Earth, just in case there are some intelligent extraterrestrial being watching us lol, let us at least pretend to embrace fact as our guiding principle for truth, I mean it's bad enough that some of us here on Earth believe that strapping a bomb to our chest and becoming a martyr will grant us 72 virgins in the after life, so for all that is holy please take the facts and deal with it, you may not like the truth, but truth is truth, for now at least.
those are some good numbers. though the game was not for me it is good to see them making changes and listening to peoples complaints. Let's hope that bioware can come up with its own mmorpg next time and not be restriced by its IP. I think this will help them succeed even further.
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I simply don't see that many people in the areas that happen to be in at nearly any given time.
It's not as if I expect to be rubbing shoulders with other players every step of the way, but when you don't see another player for quite a while OR when you can't find a group to knock out group quests... the game feels even more empty.
I absolutely love Star Wars and really always have. It's just hard for me to get into this game in the current state.
It's funny how Bioware, a company which was probably the most loved company on the site before SWTOR came out.. is somehow the most hated.
Just like Mythic before Warhammer came out. Or Blizzard before hating WoW was cool. Or Cryptic until STO. Or Square/Enix before FFXIV. Or Funcom before AoC.. ok well maybe not. But somehow Funcom will be awesome again with TSW. Well, until it releases and then they'll be hated again.
Makes you wonder what will happen to ArenaNet when GW2 comes out. Pretty soon there won't be any MMO developers left because all their games will have "failed."
Glad to see there's enough hate to go around. I'm sure whatever MMO comes out next will be the next one to be an "epic failure" and be flamed by people with nothing better to do.
Blizzard's reputation grew because of WoW, not the other way. That the game is getting a bit stale 8 years after launch is an accomplishment.
Wait a minute, they said 1.7 million subs by the end of January. We are in early March and you are to tell me that they still have 1.7 million subs? That is simply put, bullshit.
Wait a minute, they said 1.7 million subs by the end of January. We are in early March and you are to tell me that they still have 1.7 million subs? That is simply put, bullshit.
They apparently sold a bit over 2 million boxes and still have 1.7 million subs? How many people are paying for a game they are not playing, seriously...
Judging from this it looks like a shitload...or maybe they aren't being completely honest or clear with the 1.7million subs estimate.
I have a question, so what if in 6 to 8 months from now Swtor has 1.7 million or above subs, what excuse will you come us with next?
Excuse? No, I won't be making any excuses, just freely offering my apology for being so wrong.
I'm glad you see reason, the future of the human race looks a tad bit brighter : )
I have a pretty good Idea on what the excuse people will use if Swtor has 2 million subs after 6-8 months time, ready.... wait for it...wait for it....
"Thats counting the people that Subed for a YEAR but they quit playing the game and are just waiting for there time to run out"
Or the most famous one : lol
"EA, LIE,LIES,LIES"
Lol I really do understand how some can dislike Swtor, I really can because there are allot of things that I myself am not happy with, I even canceled my sub for a month, but I came back WHY, because there is also alot to love about the game and the game has promise. I had to remind myself that the game has only been out for 3 months and in that time they have made some pretty vast improvements so to me that is a great sign that things will get getter.
Lets take the all mighty World of Warcraft as a example, WoW broke 4 million subs a good 2 years after launch and with less content & polish then Swtor, only after content, updates and patchs did they become one of if not the gratest MMO's of all times (And I do not like or play WoW any more, but I have for 6 years) but I will not lie to myself to say other wise, facts are facts like it or not WoW is the King of MMO's hands down because Blizzard keep at it and did there thing.
Swtor is following WoW's lead by correcting and adding patchs and content to keep the game growing.
dont get me wrong, i hope SWTOR succeds... but "the CEO told investors"... really? CEO's lie left and right.
See another one who just ignores and says they lie all the time lol.
CEOs lie to you and me all the time investors are not lied to as much as you think. Why ? Its fraud and if you get caught you go to jail for 5 + years have a felony on your record and get fired btw GL ever getting a CEO Job again. It just doesnt happen as much as people pretend it does.
No, but he is still spinning the numbers.
Why does he give "concrete" numbers before the 30 days are up (the 1,7 mil figure), but suddenly switches to rough estimates when those 30 days are over?
If from those 1,7 mil registered users about 851000 subsribed after the 30 days was up, you can say it's a majority and as CEO he can spin it, sugar coat it and spice it up, by saying vast majority to keep the shareholders happy... And as he isn't giving exact numbers and as long as more than 50% of those 1,7mil people are paying, he can't be charged with fraud.
And that is exactly what is happening here.
When you look at current server activity (I only unsubbed about 2-3 weeks ago), you "know" that activity has dropped significantly on the majority of servers.
So the actual active subscriber numbers are more likely closer to the 851k-900k mark, than the 1,7mil mark.
Because otherwise all servers would still be heavy/very heavy loaded with a lot of them still having queues.
And seriously tho.... if they have at the moment still over 800.000 subscribers. That places them directly after WoW on second place of most succesful MMO here in the west at the moment! Which is not bad AT ALL!
When you look at current server activity (I only unsubbed about 2-3 weeks ago), you "know" that activity has dropped significantly on the majority of servers.
Activity and number of subscribers don't always go hand-in-hand. There could still be plenty of people subscribed, while not all of them are very active, and those who spent tons of hours playing before might have scaled back some.
Originally posted by Remains There seems to be a small change in wording from before: "--Star Wars: The Old Republic Has More Than 1.7 Million Active Subscribers" Link Now its "...up to nearly 1.7 million monthly subscribers..." So it seems they have gone down in total "subs" since the report? And yes i DO love corporate l33tspeak, its so amusing!
Electronic Arts CEO John Riccitiello has confirmed that Star Wars: The Old Republic is sporting 1.7 million subscribers and indicated that the "vast majority" of the subscribers have passed beyond the thirty days of game time that was included in the purchase price.
A stock analyst from Cowen & Company had this to say about the short term future of SWTOR:
Read the first sentence. It becomes clear that 1.7 million subscribers is not currently subscribed players, but all who have activated the game. Then, parse the second half of that sentence: the "vast majority" of those "Subscribers" have passed beyond the 30 days of game time that was included in the purchase price. How much is a "Vast Majority"? 60%? 70%? We are past the first month of subscriptions after the 30 days of included time. If the retention numbers were at least 50% of all players who activated the game are still playing, why not say "The majority of subscribers have passed beyond the first month of paid subscription time"? Or, "the majority of subscribers are still maintaining active subscriptions"?
So, my take on this is that of the 1.7 million who actually activated the game and started counting, in EA's eyes as subscribers, maybe 1.2 million payed for at least one month beyond the first 30 days of included time, but some number less than 850K are still currently active subscribers.
Also, I seem to remember a few people projecting that it wouldn't be long before the total number of activated accounts exceeded 2 million, so I'm surprised that 1.7 million is still the number being tossed around.
If I was investor, I'd at least have to factor in the real possibility that box sales have stagnated and overall retention numbers after three months may be below 50%. That would signal a lot of churn and very few new sales being generated by positive word of mouth.
I will say with a high degree of confidence that the analyst's estimate of 2 million active subscriptions by the end of June at 2 Million and absolutely no loss of net subscribers by the end of the year is just completely absurd fantasy.
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Strange, i know 3 peoples who bought the game at launch, and none of them are playing it now. So screw your "vast majority"
1.7 million at the end of February is very impressive. I'm not sure HOW they are doing it but congrats to them. Makes you wonder about those XFire numbers.
Congrats, Bioware. But the haters sure are persistent... LOL
And im going to be resubbing to add onto that I was having fun in the game. Was jsut waiting for some updates to come out before I reached max level.
Xfire only records numbers of people playing the game, not subs, wouldnt be the first time that people were subbed to a game they werent playing. Then again, Xfire numbers represent a very small percentage of the playerbase, and may represent an increased number of the 'floater' variety of gamer that doesnt stick to any particular game anyway.
anyway, Xfire does not equate to sub numbers, just a sample of player numbers at any particular time, how accurate it is, will always be a bone of contention.
Best to publish 1 month old news. Always good to keep people up to date, especially when they live 1 month behind the real world.
Good job, MMORPG.com!
This announcement was made 3-8-2012 the numbers were for the end of febuary. Are you from some alternate realty were time moves faster and its currently april.
I hope that you are joking because then you just bothered to read the title before the almost troll post. INCASE your not let me help you read the whole thing, just incase
"We continue to feel comfortable with our Star Wars estimates which are an important part of our street-high FY13 non-GAAP EPS estimate of $1.36. We estimate 2MM paying subs by the end of June 2012 (and then sustained for the remainder of the year). We also note that the company plans to launch Star Wars in the Asia-Pacific region later this month," Creutz said in a statement.
Again if you are joking and being sarcastiv then i apologise but you never do know some people just troll on over when they just read a title i mean how could someone claim there spinning words when they didn't even read the whole thing? right? pfft either way
You all i believe are way too emotional over this and are really nit picking pulling game time cards and such i hardly see such arguments over any other games and 1.7mil ish subs is good none the less for an MMO even if you hate it with your guts it doesnt mean everyone else needs to sure there are the multi month, time cards, already canceled but what major MMOs dont have those? I know its new so theres more but again i didn't see such a problem when those other games released and TOR is a good solid games not without its problems but def far from a failured bug ridden launch. Just relax a bit guys its ok the world is not going to end..its ok i hate EA to i hate them sooooo very much but it is ok... i hope it will be at least but dont let your hoppy your enjoyment enrage you so them you won't love it anymore then it'll just be another part of life, another wife, another job, another boss.....
hehe love this post.......so true.
I am still playing swtor and when patch 1.2 hits i aint leaving either....the legacy features and guild features are comming....more then enough for me....if i get get bored i might even tery pvp in this game (i didnt even tough it because i realy dont think a 2 faction pvp could EVER work IMHO).
It's funny how Bioware, a company which was probably the most loved company on the site before SWTOR came out.. is somehow the most hated.
Just like Mythic before Warhammer came out. Or Blizzard before hating WoW was cool. Or Cryptic until STO. Or Square/Enix before FFXIV. Or Funcom before AoC.. ok well maybe not. But somehow Funcom will be awesome again with TSW. Well, until it releases and then they'll be hated again.
Makes you wonder what will happen to ArenaNet when GW2 comes out. Pretty soon there won't be any MMO developers left because all their games will have "failed."
Glad to see there's enough hate to go around. I'm sure whatever MMO comes out next will be the next one to be an "epic failure" and be flamed by people with nothing better to do.
Do you know when a game is doing bad? Not when there are tons of hate threads floating around and people feel that they have to post something in them.
The game truly dies (in terms of interest) when people don't care to even open the thread and see what the fuzz is all about.
I have a question, so what if in 6 to 8 months from now Swtor has 1.7 million or above subs, what excuse will you come with with next?
I really understand that some of you might not be happy Swtor and you have a right to dislike it, but to believe your own lies is just as pathetic as creationist disputing the validity of evolution, you may not like the fact that Swtor is doing well but to blindly discredit the facts is plain foolish and only make those that do look like dumb asses. lol
For the sake of all humans on Earth, just in case there are some intelligent extraterrestrial being watching us lol, let us at least pretend to embrace fact as our guiding principle for truth, I mean it's bad enough that some of us here on Earth believe that strapping a bomb to our chest and becoming a martyr will grant us 72 virgins in the after life, so for all that is holy please take the facts and deal with it, you may not like the truth, but truth is truth, for now at least.
those are some good numbers. though the game was not for me it is good to see them making changes and listening to peoples complaints. Let's hope that bioware can come up with its own mmorpg next time and not be restriced by its IP. I think this will help them succeed even further.
Hero Evermore
Guild Master of Dragonspine since 1982.
Playing Path of Exile and deeply in love with it.
I simply don't see that many people in the areas that happen to be in at nearly any given time.
It's not as if I expect to be rubbing shoulders with other players every step of the way, but when you don't see another player for quite a while OR when you can't find a group to knock out group quests... the game feels even more empty.
I absolutely love Star Wars and really always have. It's just hard for me to get into this game in the current state.
Blizzard's reputation grew because of WoW, not the other way. That the game is getting a bit stale 8 years after launch is an accomplishment.
Wait a minute, they said 1.7 million subs by the end of January. We are in early March and you are to tell me that they still have 1.7 million subs? That is simply put, bullshit.
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Excuse? No, I won't be making any excuses, just freely offering my apology for being so wrong.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
They apparently sold a bit over 2 million boxes and still have 1.7 million subs? How many people are paying for a game they are not playing, seriously...
Judging from this it looks like a shitload...or maybe they aren't being completely honest or clear with the 1.7million subs estimate.
I'm glad you see reason, the future of the human race looks a tad bit brighter : )
I have a pretty good Idea on what the excuse people will use if Swtor has 2 million subs after 6-8 months time, ready.... wait for it...wait for it....
"Thats counting the people that Subed for a YEAR but they quit playing the game and are just waiting for there time to run out"
Or the most famous one : lol
"EA, LIE,LIES,LIES"
Lol I really do understand how some can dislike Swtor, I really can because there are allot of things that I myself am not happy with, I even canceled my sub for a month, but I came back WHY, because there is also alot to love about the game and the game has promise. I had to remind myself that the game has only been out for 3 months and in that time they have made some pretty vast improvements so to me that is a great sign that things will get getter.
Lets take the all mighty World of Warcraft as a example, WoW broke 4 million subs a good 2 years after launch and with less content & polish then Swtor, only after content, updates and patchs did they become one of if not the gratest MMO's of all times (And I do not like or play WoW any more, but I have for 6 years) but I will not lie to myself to say other wise, facts are facts like it or not WoW is the King of MMO's hands down because Blizzard keep at it and did there thing.
Swtor is following WoW's lead by correcting and adding patchs and content to keep the game growing.
No, but he is still spinning the numbers.
Why does he give "concrete" numbers before the 30 days are up (the 1,7 mil figure), but suddenly switches to rough estimates when those 30 days are over?
If from those 1,7 mil registered users about 851000 subsribed after the 30 days was up, you can say it's a majority and as CEO he can spin it, sugar coat it and spice it up, by saying vast majority to keep the shareholders happy... And as he isn't giving exact numbers and as long as more than 50% of those 1,7mil people are paying, he can't be charged with fraud.
And that is exactly what is happening here.
When you look at current server activity (I only unsubbed about 2-3 weeks ago), you "know" that activity has dropped significantly on the majority of servers.
So the actual active subscriber numbers are more likely closer to the 851k-900k mark, than the 1,7mil mark.
Because otherwise all servers would still be heavy/very heavy loaded with a lot of them still having queues.
And seriously tho.... if they have at the moment still over 800.000 subscribers. That places them directly after WoW on second place of most succesful MMO here in the west at the moment! Which is not bad AT ALL!
There seems to be a small change in wording from before:
"--Star Wars: The Old Republic Has More Than 1.7 Million Active Subscribers" Link
Now its "...up to nearly 1.7 million monthly subscribers..."
So it seems they have gone down in total "subs" since the report? And yes i DO love corporate l33tspeak, its so amusing!
Activity and number of subscribers don't always go hand-in-hand. There could still be plenty of people subscribed, while not all of them are very active, and those who spent tons of hours playing before might have scaled back some.
Didnt they also say that exact number mid Jan?
haters hate and trolls keep trollin'
Read the first sentence. It becomes clear that 1.7 million subscribers is not currently subscribed players, but all who have activated the game. Then, parse the second half of that sentence: the "vast majority" of those "Subscribers" have passed beyond the 30 days of game time that was included in the purchase price. How much is a "Vast Majority"? 60%? 70%? We are past the first month of subscriptions after the 30 days of included time. If the retention numbers were at least 50% of all players who activated the game are still playing, why not say "The majority of subscribers have passed beyond the first month of paid subscription time"? Or, "the majority of subscribers are still maintaining active subscriptions"?
So, my take on this is that of the 1.7 million who actually activated the game and started counting, in EA's eyes as subscribers, maybe 1.2 million payed for at least one month beyond the first 30 days of included time, but some number less than 850K are still currently active subscribers.
Also, I seem to remember a few people projecting that it wouldn't be long before the total number of activated accounts exceeded 2 million, so I'm surprised that 1.7 million is still the number being tossed around.
If I was investor, I'd at least have to factor in the real possibility that box sales have stagnated and overall retention numbers after three months may be below 50%. That would signal a lot of churn and very few new sales being generated by positive word of mouth.
I will say with a high degree of confidence that the analyst's estimate of 2 million active subscriptions by the end of June at 2 Million and absolutely no loss of net subscribers by the end of the year is just completely absurd fantasy.
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