I believe it'll stabilize with 100-150k subs after 3 months. It is a niche game and their marketing department is horrible, but it has gotten the attention of a good number of pvp guilds. The combat system has me hooked, TERA has taken raised the bar for amount twitch skill required in an mmo game, and I don't think I could ever play a tab targeting mmo again. Ironically, the same combat system which has many people hooked will deter a lot of ppl from the game because it's "hard" or "different."
If BHS can ramp up the pvp experience in the game, I'll be subbing for years to come.
I agree but one thing i don't like is the WoW like graphics just better but once i get to try out the combat and if it is great like i hope it is i might e a long time subber to but we will see. For subs tho don't forget the asian market but i agree in america might settle at that number you said. Also wondering how there servers will be like since there are none in the usa.
WoW like graphics O.O.... i might suggest seeing a eye doctor because its like the polar oppoiste in term of art style and graphics o.o WoW is extremely westernized cartoon/comic while Tera is completely Asian anime style o.o Lot of reason Tera is a niche because its graphic/art differs so greatly from western game like WoW/Rift/SWTOR.
well your eye doctor gave you the wrong glasses then also since i can show you and name you over 10 000 reasons why it's the same it's just a higher quality that is all. And no you i won't bother naming out the crap i don't got hours to make you look dumb sorry.
I would love to know coz i got an endless line of people who said they won't play this game because its too Asian and they would if it was more like WoW or Rift so please humor me and tell me your 10,000 reasons. This is the first time i ever see some one make this statment.
It could be genuine confusion, lack of experience with either F2P games or TERA, inability to see the overall quality of a game, prejudice because it's Korean or just simply trolling.
Aika, Dragon Nest, Vindictus are all made F2P. I'm sure they are fun but anyone who has played any AAA MMO should be able to see the deficient areas that make these games F2P. If not they should be charging a sub since there are people out there willing to pay it
I never stated it didn't have quality. In fact I believe it does. It is however extermely generic and lacks depth, when compared to a (true) AAA product.
As for the beta testing, it was the same with Aion. Comments may be acknowledged on the fourms, but at the end of the day the focus is on simply translating it. The new content that's been added would be, even if the Western version didn't exist. It was being developed and tested for the Korean version. After all, this MMO has been released (in Korea) for quite some time.
Also don't confuse sub-par F2P games, with detailed one. For example RoM has way more complexity and depth than TERA. Is it (RoM) as enjoyable? Well that's another matter, which only personal preference can answer.
Anyone who seriously thinks TERA will stand up against mainstream MMOs and especially with the pending releases, are unfortunately deluding themselves. That doesn't mean people can't enjoy it. It just means its going to be niche. It may even sell well (initially).
there is nothing wrong with niche games, look at Eve online. best example of a niche game, that does better than most so called mainstream MMO.
all of the so called mainstream MMO coming up, offer very little as far innovation goes. they are simply been overwhyped day by day constantly by people who will feel very but very dissapointed at the end.
Tera is more than capable of attracting all sort of players, ( for instance i hate Anime myself,) but i love Tera, i consider myself a veteran MMO player , since i've been playing MMO since Eq1 . i assure you there are lots of other people who feel the same.
all of the big so called mainstream MMO started out with too many promises, they all sounded great at first, they all were to become the next holy grail of the mmo genre, and they all turned to a massive let down.
beware of setting your expectations too high with the so called mainstream MMO. or you risk turking yourself into a money milking cow.
I believe it'll stabilize with 100-150k subs after 3 months. It is a niche game and their marketing department is horrible, but it has gotten the attention of a good number of pvp guilds. The combat system has me hooked, TERA has taken raised the bar for amount twitch skill required in an mmo game, and I don't think I could ever play a tab targeting mmo again. Ironically, the same combat system which has many people hooked will deter a lot of ppl from the game because it's "hard" or "different."
If BHS can ramp up the pvp experience in the game, I'll be subbing for years to come.
I agree but one thing i don't like is the WoW like graphics just better but once i get to try out the combat and if it is great like i hope it is i might e a long time subber to but we will see. For subs tho don't forget the asian market but i agree in america might settle at that number you said. Also wondering how there servers will be like since there are none in the usa.
well your eye doctor gave you the wrong glasses then also since i can show you and name you over 10 000 reasons why it's the same it's just a higher quality that is all. And no you i won't bother naming out the crap i don't got hours to make you look dumb sorry.
Here's an example of how people can be unreasonable. How can the graphics be "the same" and "higher quality" both at the same time?
Drop everything, maplestory 2 is going in to development!!! Drop everything and wait 3-5years+ for it to come out!!
Ok joke over =X now on topic, it will be niche personally i think its a good thing at least that mean the game is more tailor made to toward the player than toward so many players that they can do nothing but focus on the casual player which is usally the largest group least effected by the game.
Mabinogi 2 is further in development and is suppose to be an open world action combat MMO. They claimed during really early development that it's suppose to be an open world Vindictus which I would rather have over TERA if they can pull it off.
Tera will be a niche game for sure. The biggest problem Tera has is that you can't be a clicker and a keyboard turner and play the game. So that eliminates about 90% of potential MMO gamers. I see Tera selling very well, maybe in the range of around 400k copies, maybe more, and then settling out at around 100-200k subs in NA. Which I think will be a success in the eyes of EME and BHS. Don't need WoW numbers to make money in the MMO market. Shit EQ was the hottest game of the time and spawned the MMO market as we know it. EQ maxed out I think at about 600k worldwide.
Like others have said, I can't play the tab target MMOs anymore at all. I had to redownload Eve just so I can get my MMO fix until Tera comes out.
Drop everything, maplestory 2 is going in to development!!! Drop everything and wait 3-5years+ for it to come out!!
Ok joke over =X now on topic, it will be niche personally i think its a good thing at least that mean the game is more tailor made to toward the player than toward so many players that they can do nothing but focus on the casual player which is usally the largest group least effected by the game.
Mabinogi 2 is further in development and is suppose to be an open world action combat MMO. They claimed during really early development that it's suppose to be an open world Vindictus which I would rather have over TERA if they can pull it off.
Hopefuly ranged class isn't broken overpowered like Mabinogi, although i think Mabinogi had the closest thing to action combat before DN and vindcitus. It was set to have action combat but excuted with targeting which ended up with the werid combat that is mabinogi lol. Man that game was werid. Hope Mabinogi 2 is good.
And idk how open world with vindictus would, with everyone doing those thing is asking for massive lag and extremely....werid pvp lol. I mean put in rooms ya but open world when you have tons of people that thing is going to turn crazy fast but looking forward to it.
Tera will be a niche game for sure. The biggest problem Tera has is that you can't be a clicker and a keyboard turner and play the game. So that eliminates about 90% of potential MMO gamers. I see Tera selling very well, maybe in the range of around 400k copies, maybe more, and then settling out at around 100-200k subs in NA. Which I think will be a success in the eyes of EME and BHS. Don't need WoW numbers to make money in the MMO market. Shit EQ was the hottest game of the time and spawned the MMO market as we know it. EQ maxed out I think at about 600k worldwide.
Like others have said, I can't play the tab target MMOs anymore at all. I had to redownload Eve just so I can get my MMO fix until Tera comes out.
What kind of excuse is that? The idea that TERA wont do well cause it's an action style game when that's it's main draw to the game is probably the stupidest thing I've heard about this game. Even so, you're still wrong cause the camera doesn't move your character when you're attacking, so you have to turn with the keyboard unless you stop everytime you swing your weapon.
Drop everything, maplestory 2 is going in to development!!! Drop everything and wait 3-5years+ for it to come out!!
Ok joke over =X now on topic, it will be niche personally i think its a good thing at least that mean the game is more tailor made to toward the player than toward so many players that they can do nothing but focus on the casual player which is usally the largest group least effected by the game.
Mabinogi 2 is further in development and is suppose to be an open world action combat MMO. They claimed during really early development that it's suppose to be an open world Vindictus which I would rather have over TERA if they can pull it off.
Hopefuly ranged class isn't broken overpowered like Mabinogi, although i think Mabinogi had the closest thing to action combat before DN and vindcitus. It was set to have action combat but excuted with targeting which ended up with the werid combat that is mabinogi lol. Man that game was werid. Hope Mabinogi 2 is good.
And idk how open world with vindictus would, with everyone doing those thing is asking for massive lag and extremely....werid pvp lol. I mean put in rooms ya but open world when you have tons of people that thing is going to turn crazy fast but looking forward to it.
I doubt there would be world PvP if they went that route. They would most likely do battlegrounds. Also, I doubt it would be seemless openworld for the sake of lag and such, either that or they are just not going to be very flashy type attacks.
Tera will be a niche game for sure. The biggest problem Tera has is that you can't be a clicker and a keyboard turner and play the game. So that eliminates about 90% of potential MMO gamers. I see Tera selling very well, maybe in the range of around 400k copies, maybe more, and then settling out at around 100-200k subs in NA. Which I think will be a success in the eyes of EME and BHS. Don't need WoW numbers to make money in the MMO market. Shit EQ was the hottest game of the time and spawned the MMO market as we know it. EQ maxed out I think at about 600k worldwide.
Like others have said, I can't play the tab target MMOs anymore at all. I had to redownload Eve just so I can get my MMO fix until Tera comes out.
What kind of excuse is that? The idea that TERA wont do well cause it's an action style game when that's it's main draw to the game is probably the stupidest thing I've heard about this game. Even so, you're still wrong cause the camera doesn't move your character when you're attacking, so you have to turn with the keyboard unless you stop everytime you swing your weapon.
i'm starting to like you more lately!p i like your new attitude, new approach toward this game .
honestly...yes. It will have to put up with a bunch of haters because its an asian mmo, and its attack and dodge mechanics are not that of the normal run of thill MMOs many are used to.
p.s. people can try and call me on that asian mmo thing but if anyone even kept track on this game its already been brought up a lot times about how this game will fail because its another asian grindfest just based on where the game is originating from.
edit: i do think the game would be a bigger success if they lifted the region bans that currently disallow players living in certain countries to play.
Hopefuly ranged class isn't broken overpowered like Mabinogi, although i think Mabinogi had the closest thing to action combat before DN and vindcitus. It was set to have action combat but excuted with targeting which ended up with the werid combat that is mabinogi lol. Man that game was werid. Hope Mabinogi 2 is good.
And idk how open world with vindictus would, with everyone doing those thing is asking for massive lag and extremely....werid pvp lol. I mean put in rooms ya but open world when you have tons of people that thing is going to turn crazy fast but looking forward to it.
I doubt there would be world PvP if they went that route. They would most likely do battlegrounds. Also, I doubt it would be seemless openworld for the sake of lag and such, either that or they are just not going to be very flashy type attacks.
True, they would have to instant up each zone/area to prevent lag, but still would still be better than current vindictus and DN.
Tera will be a niche game for sure. The biggest problem Tera has is that you can't be a clicker and a keyboard turner and play the game. So that eliminates about 90% of potential MMO gamers. I see Tera selling very well, maybe in the range of around 400k copies, maybe more, and then settling out at around 100-200k subs in NA. Which I think will be a success in the eyes of EME and BHS. Don't need WoW numbers to make money in the MMO market. Shit EQ was the hottest game of the time and spawned the MMO market as we know it. EQ maxed out I think at about 600k worldwide.
Like others have said, I can't play the tab target MMOs anymore at all. I had to redownload Eve just so I can get my MMO fix until Tera comes out.
What kind of excuse is that? The idea that TERA wont do well cause it's an action style game when that's it's main draw to the game is probably the stupidest thing I've heard about this game. Even so, you're still wrong cause the camera doesn't move your character when you're attacking, so you have to turn with the keyboard unless you stop everytime you swing your weapon.
i'm starting to like you more lately!p i like your new attitude, new approach toward this game .
Don't get me wrong, TERA still has it's bad points and I will still tell people about them. But saying that the "biggest problem" of TERA is it's main feature is just outright stupid.
Drop everything, maplestory 2 is going in to development!!! Drop everything and wait 3-5years+ for it to come out!!
Ok joke over =X now on topic, it will be niche personally i think its a good thing at least that mean the game is more tailor made to toward the player than toward so many players that they can do nothing but focus on the casual player which is usally the largest group least effected by the game.
Mabinogi 2 is further in development and is suppose to be an open world action combat MMO. They claimed during really early development that it's suppose to be an open world Vindictus which I would rather have over TERA if they can pull it off.
Hopefuly ranged class isn't broken overpowered like Mabinogi, although i think Mabinogi had the closest thing to action combat before DN and vindcitus. It was set to have action combat but excuted with targeting which ended up with the werid combat that is mabinogi lol. Man that game was werid. Hope Mabinogi 2 is good.
And idk how open world with vindictus would, with everyone doing those thing is asking for massive lag and extremely....werid pvp lol. I mean put in rooms ya but open world when you have tons of people that thing is going to turn crazy fast but looking forward to it.
In the current beta's, melee tend to have the upper hand in 1v1's and small skirmishes so I don't think you'll see that problem. In large scale battles ranged are obviously going to be strong but it's just like any other MMO in the fact that, in large scale PvP ranged classes are great BECAUSE of their melee teamates giving them a buffer.
This could change a bit when the max level is raised for release but I don't see ranged being super OP.
Drop everything, maplestory 2 is going in to development!!! Drop everything and wait 3-5years+ for it to come out!!
Ok joke over =X now on topic, it will be niche personally i think its a good thing at least that mean the game is more tailor made to toward the player than toward so many players that they can do nothing but focus on the casual player which is usally the largest group least effected by the game.
Mabinogi 2 is further in development and is suppose to be an open world action combat MMO. They claimed during really early development that it's suppose to be an open world Vindictus which I would rather have over TERA if they can pull it off.
Hopefuly ranged class isn't broken overpowered like Mabinogi, although i think Mabinogi had the closest thing to action combat before DN and vindcitus. It was set to have action combat but excuted with targeting which ended up with the werid combat that is mabinogi lol. Man that game was werid. Hope Mabinogi 2 is good.
And idk how open world with vindictus would, with everyone doing those thing is asking for massive lag and extremely....werid pvp lol. I mean put in rooms ya but open world when you have tons of people that thing is going to turn crazy fast but looking forward to it.
In the current beta's, melee tend to have the upper hand in 1v1's and small skirmishes so I don't think you'll see that problem. In large scale battles ranged are obviously going to be strong but it's just like any other MMO in the fact that, in large scale PvP ranged classes are great BECAUSE of their melee teamates giving them a buffer.
This could change a bit when the max level is raised for release but I don't see ranged being super OP.
We're talking about a completely different game that is not even in a playable state, not TERA. Next time you should read the whole convo before commenting.
Drop everything, maplestory 2 is going in to development!!! Drop everything and wait 3-5years+ for it to come out!!
Ok joke over =X now on topic, it will be niche personally i think its a good thing at least that mean the game is more tailor made to toward the player than toward so many players that they can do nothing but focus on the casual player which is usally the largest group least effected by the game.
Mabinogi 2 is further in development and is suppose to be an open world action combat MMO. They claimed during really early development that it's suppose to be an open world Vindictus which I would rather have over TERA if they can pull it off.
Hopefuly ranged class isn't broken overpowered like Mabinogi, although i think Mabinogi had the closest thing to action combat before DN and vindcitus. It was set to have action combat but excuted with targeting which ended up with the werid combat that is mabinogi lol. Man that game was werid. Hope Mabinogi 2 is good.
And idk how open world with vindictus would, with everyone doing those thing is asking for massive lag and extremely....werid pvp lol. I mean put in rooms ya but open world when you have tons of people that thing is going to turn crazy fast but looking forward to it.
In the current beta's, melee tend to have the upper hand in 1v1's and small skirmishes so I don't think you'll see that problem. In large scale battles ranged are obviously going to be strong but it's just like any other MMO in the fact that, in large scale PvP ranged classes are great BECAUSE of their melee teamates giving them a buffer.
This could change a bit when the max level is raised for release but I don't see ranged being super OP.
We're talking about a completely different game that is not even in a playable state, not TERA. Next time you should read the whole convo before commenting.
I did read the post angry guy, but I was trying to bring its relevence to this TERA forum and compare it to the game that we're supposed to be talking about.
If you want to talk about Mabinogi 2 and then jump on anyone who compares the discussion to TERA then don't do it in a TERA thread.
Drop everything, maplestory 2 is going in to development!!! Drop everything and wait 3-5years+ for it to come out!!
Ok joke over =X now on topic, it will be niche personally i think its a good thing at least that mean the game is more tailor made to toward the player than toward so many players that they can do nothing but focus on the casual player which is usally the largest group least effected by the game.
Mabinogi 2 is further in development and is suppose to be an open world action combat MMO. They claimed during really early development that it's suppose to be an open world Vindictus which I would rather have over TERA if they can pull it off.
Hopefuly ranged class isn't broken overpowered like Mabinogi, although i think Mabinogi had the closest thing to action combat before DN and vindcitus. It was set to have action combat but excuted with targeting which ended up with the werid combat that is mabinogi lol. Man that game was werid. Hope Mabinogi 2 is good.
And idk how open world with vindictus would, with everyone doing those thing is asking for massive lag and extremely....werid pvp lol. I mean put in rooms ya but open world when you have tons of people that thing is going to turn crazy fast but looking forward to it.
In the current beta's, melee tend to have the upper hand in 1v1's and small skirmishes so I don't think you'll see that problem. In large scale battles ranged are obviously going to be strong but it's just like any other MMO in the fact that, in large scale PvP ranged classes are great BECAUSE of their melee teamates giving them a buffer.
This could change a bit when the max level is raised for release but I don't see ranged being super OP.
We're talking about a completely different game that is not even in a playable state, not TERA. Next time you should read the whole convo before commenting.
I did read the post angry guy, but I was trying to bring its relevence to this TERA forum and compare it to the game that we're supposed to be talking about.
If you want to talk about Mabinogi 2 and then jump on anyone who compares the discussion to TERA then don't do it in a TERA thread.
Pointing out your mistake doesn't make me an angry guy. No one asked you to make it relevent to TERA since no one asked about that being a problem in the game nor do we need some random poster to intrude on a convo he obviously knows nothing about to tell us about something completely different that we already know about. The conversation was dropped untill you decided to waste your time to pointlessly comment about it. You didn't need to post about TERA in that perticular convo that had nothing to do with it but you did anyway and then act like you're in the right. Seems more like you made a mistake and are now coming up with a terrible excuse to act like you did nothing wrong.
Drop everything, maplestory 2 is going in to development!!! Drop everything and wait 3-5years+ for it to come out!!
Ok joke over =X now on topic, it will be niche personally i think its a good thing at least that mean the game is more tailor made to toward the player than toward so many players that they can do nothing but focus on the casual player which is usally the largest group least effected by the game.
Mabinogi 2 is further in development and is suppose to be an open world action combat MMO. They claimed during really early development that it's suppose to be an open world Vindictus which I would rather have over TERA if they can pull it off.
Hopefuly ranged class isn't broken overpowered like Mabinogi, although i think Mabinogi had the closest thing to action combat before DN and vindcitus. It was set to have action combat but excuted with targeting which ended up with the werid combat that is mabinogi lol. Man that game was werid. Hope Mabinogi 2 is good.
And idk how open world with vindictus would, with everyone doing those thing is asking for massive lag and extremely....werid pvp lol. I mean put in rooms ya but open world when you have tons of people that thing is going to turn crazy fast but looking forward to it.
In the current beta's, melee tend to have the upper hand in 1v1's and small skirmishes so I don't think you'll see that problem. In large scale battles ranged are obviously going to be strong but it's just like any other MMO in the fact that, in large scale PvP ranged classes are great BECAUSE of their melee teamates giving them a buffer.
This could change a bit when the max level is raised for release but I don't see ranged being super OP.
We're talking about a completely different game that is not even in a playable state, not TERA. Next time you should read the whole convo before commenting.
I did read the post angry guy, but I was trying to bring its relevence to this TERA forum and compare it to the game that we're supposed to be talking about.
If you want to talk about Mabinogi 2 and then jump on anyone who compares the discussion to TERA then don't do it in a TERA thread.
Pointing out your mistake doesn't make me an angry guy. No one asked you to make it relevent to TERA since no one asked about that being a problem in the game nor do we need some random poster to intrude on a convo he obviously knows nothing about to tell us about something completely different that we already know about. The conversation was dropped untill you decided to waste your time to pointlessly comment about it. You didn't need to post about TERA in that perticular convo that had nothing to do with it but you did anyway and then act like you're in the right. Seems more like you made a mistake and are now coming up with a terrible excuse to act like you did nothing wrong.
I called you an angry guy, because you're very irrational and upset about something. The conversation was obviously not drooped seeing as how the person I replied to made a post about what he did not like with a similar game literally hours before I responded.
I'm simply trying to clear any concerns he would have with TERA suffering from the same issues that he was originally worried about. It's very ironic how you would attack me for no reason saying that I'm jumping into a conversation that I don't belong to, when you yourself are directing your angst assault towards me for a friendly response I made to someone besides yourself.
This a pointless argument but I'm sure it will make you feel better to have the last word so go ahead and respond with your rage, I'll be dropping it after this post.
Drop everything, maplestory 2 is going in to development!!! Drop everything and wait 3-5years+ for it to come out!!
Ok joke over =X now on topic, it will be niche personally i think its a good thing at least that mean the game is more tailor made to toward the player than toward so many players that they can do nothing but focus on the casual player which is usally the largest group least effected by the game.
Mabinogi 2 is further in development and is suppose to be an open world action combat MMO. They claimed during really early development that it's suppose to be an open world Vindictus which I would rather have over TERA if they can pull it off.
Hopefuly ranged class isn't broken overpowered like Mabinogi, although i think Mabinogi had the closest thing to action combat before DN and vindcitus. It was set to have action combat but excuted with targeting which ended up with the werid combat that is mabinogi lol. Man that game was werid. Hope Mabinogi 2 is good.
And idk how open world with vindictus would, with everyone doing those thing is asking for massive lag and extremely....werid pvp lol. I mean put in rooms ya but open world when you have tons of people that thing is going to turn crazy fast but looking forward to it.
In the current beta's, melee tend to have the upper hand in 1v1's and small skirmishes so I don't think you'll see that problem. In large scale battles ranged are obviously going to be strong but it's just like any other MMO in the fact that, in large scale PvP ranged classes are great BECAUSE of their melee teamates giving them a buffer.
This could change a bit when the max level is raised for release but I don't see ranged being super OP.
We're talking about a completely different game that is not even in a playable state, not TERA. Next time you should read the whole convo before commenting.
I did read the post angry guy, but I was trying to bring its relevence to this TERA forum and compare it to the game that we're supposed to be talking about.
If you want to talk about Mabinogi 2 and then jump on anyone who compares the discussion to TERA then don't do it in a TERA thread.
Pointing out your mistake doesn't make me an angry guy. No one asked you to make it relevent to TERA since no one asked about that being a problem in the game nor do we need some random poster to intrude on a convo he obviously knows nothing about to tell us about something completely different that we already know about. The conversation was dropped untill you decided to waste your time to pointlessly comment about it. You didn't need to post about TERA in that perticular convo that had nothing to do with it but you did anyway and then act like you're in the right. Seems more like you made a mistake and are now coming up with a terrible excuse to act like you did nothing wrong.
I called you an angry guy, because you're very irrational and upset about something. The conversation was obviously not drooped seeing as how the person I replied to made a post about what he did not like with a similar game literally hours before I responded.
I'm simply trying to clear any concerns he would have with TERA suffering from the same issues that he was originally worried about. It's very ironic how you would attack me for no reason saying that I'm jumping into a conversation that I don't belong to, when you yourself are directing your angst assault towards me for a friendly response I made to someone besides yourself.
This a pointless argument but I'm sure it will make you feel better to have the last word so go ahead and respond with your rage, I'll be dropping it after this post.
Yeah, it's pointless and yet you still felt the need to respond to it. Must not be all that pointless to you then. I find it funny that pointing out your obvious error in judgement is considered an "attack". Is your self esteem that bad as to conceive that as an attack? And for no reason? You jumped to a conclusion on your own and are getting pissy that someone pointed it out to you. You obviously havn't been reading the boards if you think Rexzshadow needs to be "cleared of any concerns" about TERA. Maybe you should read the boards more before telling people they have "angst" or "rage" just cause they point out how pointless your comment was especially when you think you can defend your mistake. lol
Questions to the tune of "does TERA stand a chance aganist wow?" are meaningless and make me cringe. WoW is an established standard, kinda like McDonalds or Facebook. Blizzard managed to be the first to get many things right, so now WoW has become a commodity - like bar soap - boring but widely used. I fully expect WoW to be the king of MMOs in terms of sub numbers for years to come. And people need to stop looking for the next wow-killer, there isn't going to be one until the industry is truly revolutionized by some unexpected newcomer. Until then, WoW is destined to reign over the masses, perhaps challanged only by the high-budget projects like SWTOR that basically provide a reskin of the same bland experience (kinda like Burger King or Wendi's compared to McDonald's).
That being said, I fully expect TERA to be commercially successful. The market is big enough to sustain a new good game, and TERA looks like a real gem, so I don't see why it would flat out fail.
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To think of it, most MMOs stay afloat indefinitely unless the basic design is severely flawed. WAR, for example, had a flawed design and is now in final stages of its death. Had they stuck with DAoC's RvR formula, WAR would probably still be happily chugging along with a dozen or so servers. And had they just reskinned WoW with a Warhammer IP, they would have been the second-biggest MMO right now.
I called you an angry guy, because you're very irrational and upset about something. The conversation was obviously not drooped seeing as how the person I replied to made a post about what he did not like with a similar game literally hours before I responded.
I'm simply trying to clear any concerns he would have with TERA suffering from the same issues that he was originally worried about. It's very ironic how you would attack me for no reason saying that I'm jumping into a conversation that I don't belong to, when you yourself are directing your angst assault towards me for a friendly response I made to someone besides yourself.
This a pointless argument but I'm sure it will make you feel better to have the last word so go ahead and respond with your rage, I'll be dropping it after this post.
What happen was i made a joke about maplestory 2 coming out and Sector pointed out mabinogi 2 is coming out sooner and i meant that i hope mabinogi 2's range won't be as broken as mabinogi. Because in mabinogi there was this eagle bow where you can snipe people off screen XD.
@Crimson i agree, trying to compete with WoW in term of sub is stupid. WoW now is like equalivent of a facebook game. It kills time and have tons of casual. There few gamer gamer in there but lot are leaveing because its just too casual for them. However casual gamer out number gamer gamer by miles which is why the Wii raped both xbox 360 and PS3 sells combined. Tera is more cater to gamer gamers so ofc it won't match up to WoW sub but it will do well enough for itself and I'm happy with it. Honestly last thing i want is other large sub casual mmorpg like WoW.
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I would love to know coz i got an endless line of people who said they won't play this game because its too Asian and they would if it was more like WoW or Rift so please humor me and tell me your 10,000 reasons. This is the first time i ever see some one make this statment.
there is nothing wrong with niche games, look at Eve online. best example of a niche game, that does better than most so called mainstream MMO.
all of the so called mainstream MMO coming up, offer very little as far innovation goes. they are simply been overwhyped day by day constantly by people who will feel very but very dissapointed at the end.
Tera is more than capable of attracting all sort of players, ( for instance i hate Anime myself,) but i love Tera, i consider myself a veteran MMO player , since i've been playing MMO since Eq1 . i assure you there are lots of other people who feel the same.
all of the big so called mainstream MMO started out with too many promises, they all sounded great at first, they all were to become the next holy grail of the mmo genre, and they all turned to a massive let down.
beware of setting your expectations too high with the so called mainstream MMO. or you risk turking yourself into a money milking cow.
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Here's an example of how people can be unreasonable. How can the graphics be "the same" and "higher quality" both at the same time?
Mabinogi 2 is further in development and is suppose to be an open world action combat MMO. They claimed during really early development that it's suppose to be an open world Vindictus which I would rather have over TERA if they can pull it off.
Tera will be a niche game for sure. The biggest problem Tera has is that you can't be a clicker and a keyboard turner and play the game. So that eliminates about 90% of potential MMO gamers. I see Tera selling very well, maybe in the range of around 400k copies, maybe more, and then settling out at around 100-200k subs in NA. Which I think will be a success in the eyes of EME and BHS. Don't need WoW numbers to make money in the MMO market. Shit EQ was the hottest game of the time and spawned the MMO market as we know it. EQ maxed out I think at about 600k worldwide.
Like others have said, I can't play the tab target MMOs anymore at all. I had to redownload Eve just so I can get my MMO fix until Tera comes out.
Hopefuly ranged class isn't broken overpowered like Mabinogi, although i think Mabinogi had the closest thing to action combat before DN and vindcitus. It was set to have action combat but excuted with targeting which ended up with the werid combat that is mabinogi lol. Man that game was werid. Hope Mabinogi 2 is good.
And idk how open world with vindictus would, with everyone doing those thing is asking for massive lag and extremely....werid pvp lol. I mean put in rooms ya but open world when you have tons of people that thing is going to turn crazy fast but looking forward to it.
What kind of excuse is that? The idea that TERA wont do well cause it's an action style game when that's it's main draw to the game is probably the stupidest thing I've heard about this game. Even so, you're still wrong cause the camera doesn't move your character when you're attacking, so you have to turn with the keyboard unless you stop everytime you swing your weapon.
I doubt there would be world PvP if they went that route. They would most likely do battlegrounds. Also, I doubt it would be seemless openworld for the sake of lag and such, either that or they are just not going to be very flashy type attacks.
i'm starting to like you more lately!p i like your new attitude, new approach toward this game .
honestly...yes. It will have to put up with a bunch of haters because its an asian mmo, and its attack and dodge mechanics are not that of the normal run of thill MMOs many are used to.
p.s. people can try and call me on that asian mmo thing but if anyone even kept track on this game its already been brought up a lot times about how this game will fail because its another asian grindfest just based on where the game is originating from.
edit: i do think the game would be a bigger success if they lifted the region bans that currently disallow players living in certain countries to play.
True, they would have to instant up each zone/area to prevent lag, but still would still be better than current vindictus and DN.
Don't get me wrong, TERA still has it's bad points and I will still tell people about them. But saying that the "biggest problem" of TERA is it's main feature is just outright stupid.
In the current beta's, melee tend to have the upper hand in 1v1's and small skirmishes so I don't think you'll see that problem. In large scale battles ranged are obviously going to be strong but it's just like any other MMO in the fact that, in large scale PvP ranged classes are great BECAUSE of their melee teamates giving them a buffer.
This could change a bit when the max level is raised for release but I don't see ranged being super OP.
We're talking about a completely different game that is not even in a playable state, not TERA. Next time you should read the whole convo before commenting.
I did read the post angry guy, but I was trying to bring its relevence to this TERA forum and compare it to the game that we're supposed to be talking about.
If you want to talk about Mabinogi 2 and then jump on anyone who compares the discussion to TERA then don't do it in a TERA thread.
Timing is everything. Rift was released at the perfect time. TERA is releasing at about the worst time possible.
If it's your game of choice and you enjoy making guides, then don't let player numbers hold you back.
Pointing out your mistake doesn't make me an angry guy. No one asked you to make it relevent to TERA since no one asked about that being a problem in the game nor do we need some random poster to intrude on a convo he obviously knows nothing about to tell us about something completely different that we already know about. The conversation was dropped untill you decided to waste your time to pointlessly comment about it. You didn't need to post about TERA in that perticular convo that had nothing to do with it but you did anyway and then act like you're in the right. Seems more like you made a mistake and are now coming up with a terrible excuse to act like you did nothing wrong.
I called you an angry guy, because you're very irrational and upset about something. The conversation was obviously not drooped seeing as how the person I replied to made a post about what he did not like with a similar game literally hours before I responded.
I'm simply trying to clear any concerns he would have with TERA suffering from the same issues that he was originally worried about. It's very ironic how you would attack me for no reason saying that I'm jumping into a conversation that I don't belong to, when you yourself are directing your angst assault towards me for a friendly response I made to someone besides yourself.
This a pointless argument but I'm sure it will make you feel better to have the last word so go ahead and respond with your rage, I'll be dropping it after this post.
Yeah, it's pointless and yet you still felt the need to respond to it. Must not be all that pointless to you then. I find it funny that pointing out your obvious error in judgement is considered an "attack". Is your self esteem that bad as to conceive that as an attack? And for no reason? You jumped to a conclusion on your own and are getting pissy that someone pointed it out to you. You obviously havn't been reading the boards if you think Rexzshadow needs to be "cleared of any concerns" about TERA. Maybe you should read the boards more before telling people they have "angst" or "rage" just cause they point out how pointless your comment was especially when you think you can defend your mistake. lol
Questions to the tune of "does TERA stand a chance aganist wow?" are meaningless and make me cringe. WoW is an established standard, kinda like McDonalds or Facebook. Blizzard managed to be the first to get many things right, so now WoW has become a commodity - like bar soap - boring but widely used. I fully expect WoW to be the king of MMOs in terms of sub numbers for years to come. And people need to stop looking for the next wow-killer, there isn't going to be one until the industry is truly revolutionized by some unexpected newcomer. Until then, WoW is destined to reign over the masses, perhaps challanged only by the high-budget projects like SWTOR that basically provide a reskin of the same bland experience (kinda like Burger King or Wendi's compared to McDonald's).
That being said, I fully expect TERA to be commercially successful. The market is big enough to sustain a new good game, and TERA looks like a real gem, so I don't see why it would flat out fail.
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To think of it, most MMOs stay afloat indefinitely unless the basic design is severely flawed. WAR, for example, had a flawed design and is now in final stages of its death. Had they stuck with DAoC's RvR formula, WAR would probably still be happily chugging along with a dozen or so servers. And had they just reskinned WoW with a Warhammer IP, they would have been the second-biggest MMO right now.
What happen was i made a joke about maplestory 2 coming out and Sector pointed out mabinogi 2 is coming out sooner and i meant that i hope mabinogi 2's range won't be as broken as mabinogi. Because in mabinogi there was this eagle bow where you can snipe people off screen XD.
@Crimson i agree, trying to compete with WoW in term of sub is stupid. WoW now is like equalivent of a facebook game. It kills time and have tons of casual. There few gamer gamer in there but lot are leaveing because its just too casual for them. However casual gamer out number gamer gamer by miles which is why the Wii raped both xbox 360 and PS3 sells combined. Tera is more cater to gamer gamers so ofc it won't match up to WoW sub but it will do well enough for itself and I'm happy with it. Honestly last thing i want is other large sub casual mmorpg like WoW.