I dont mind the price but we should all be paying the same amount regardless of country.
60 US dollars is 38 pounds not 50 pounds.
Why should I pay more ?
again that is US price before tax. 64.99 is what we will pay. $64.99 is rought 41 pounds. 41 pounds plus your vat of 20% is roughly 50 pounds.
If us had vat of 20$ it would coust us 64.99 + 20% which is roughly $79.99
79.99 is 50 pounds..... Thankfully U.S doesnt have to pay VAT
do the math as many times as you like. its not arena net or ncsoft thats making the price different.
Ah ok , well it works out to 44 GBP which still makes it overpriced when converted but I see where you are going.
what part works out to 44 gbp?
The part where he didnt double dip on taxes like you did in your working out. Thats not how tax works, UK customers dont pay US tax and then VAT, its only VAT. Also VAT is 17.5%, not 20%.
i didnt double dip. and i kno the UK doesnt have state tax the 64.99 is used as a comparassion as what we pay to what UK pays. If the U.S pays roughly 64.99 the U.K equivilent would be roughly 41 pounds. even at 17.5 % 41 pounds would be about 48.20 pounds
I dont mind the price but we should all be paying the same amount regardless of country.
60 US dollars is 38 pounds not 50 pounds.
Why should I pay more ?
again that is US price before tax. 64.99 is what we will pay. $64.99 is rought 41 pounds. 41 pounds plus your vat of 20% is roughly 50 pounds.
If us had vat of 20$ it would coust us 64.99 + 20% which is roughly $79.99
79.99 is 50 pounds..... Thankfully U.S doesnt have to pay VAT
do the math as many times as you like. its not arena net or ncsoft thats making the price different.
Ah ok , well it works out to 44 GBP which still makes it overpriced when converted but I see where you are going.
what part works out to 44 gbp?
The part where he didnt double dip on taxes like you did in your working out. Thats not how tax works, UK customers dont pay US tax and then VAT, its only VAT. Also VAT is 17.5%, not 20%.
i didnt double dip. and i kno the UK doesnt have state tax the 64.99 is used as a comparassion as what we pay to what UK pays. If the U.S pays roughly 64.99 the U.K equivilent would be roughly 41 pounds. even at 17.5 % 41 pounds would be about 48.20 pounds
You would still be wrong. 41.99 includes VAT tax. while 59.99 doesn't include sale tax, that is what he meant by double dipping.
So the UK price will be 41.99 including VAT
while the U.S price wil be 64.99 including sales tax. Assuming you buy it in store or If Ncsoft and Arenanet is located in your home state, for someone like me, since ithey are not, it will only cost me 59.99 with free shipping.
I dont mind the price but we should all be paying the same amount regardless of country.
60 US dollars is 38 pounds not 50 pounds.
Why should I pay more ?
again that is US price before tax. 64.99 is what we will pay. $64.99 is rought 41 pounds. 41 pounds plus your vat of 20% is roughly 50 pounds.
If us had vat of 20$ it would coust us 64.99 + 20% which is roughly $79.99
79.99 is 50 pounds..... Thankfully U.S doesnt have to pay VAT
do the math as many times as you like. its not arena net or ncsoft thats making the price different.
Ah ok , well it works out to 44 GBP which still makes it overpriced when converted but I see where you are going.
what part works out to 44 gbp?
The part where he didnt double dip on taxes like you did in your working out. Thats not how tax works, UK customers dont pay US tax and then VAT, its only VAT. Also VAT is 17.5%, not 20%.
i didnt double dip. and i kno the UK doesnt have state tax the 64.99 is used as a comparassion as what we pay to what UK pays. If the U.S pays roughly 64.99 the U.K equivilent would be roughly 41 pounds. even at 17.5 % 41 pounds would be about 48.20 pounds
You would still be wrong. 41.99 includes VAT tax. while 59.99 doesn't include sale tax, that is what he meant by double dipping.
So the UK price will be 41.99 including VAT
while the U.S price wil be 64.99 including sales tax. Assuming you buy it in store or If Ncsoft and Arenanet is located in your home state, for someone like me, since ithey are not, it will only cost me 59.99 with free shipping.
I hope you get it now.
How is the 41.99 include the vat. the price of the game is 50 pounds. and it is because of the VAT that its 50. I also used 20% when i came up with the number.... with your new number of 17.5% the the price before the vat is 41.25 (50 - 17.5%) which is $65
Ok do it the easy way.... 50 pounds - 17.5% vat. roughly 41.25 pounds.... translated thats about $65.31so the prices are the same
Maths. You are doing it wrong.
You are now comparing UK without tax, to US with tax.
I know.. .im showing the people that Arena net is not overcharging. im showing it Pre-tax to show them that its not arena net its the tax thats making the game price as high as it seems. Post tax Us is $65 and Uk is 50 gbp
the way its set up is the USD is before tax but the GBP isnt. thats why i had to do it that way
Here, I will help you out:
The base value of the game is 60 US dollars. This converts to 37.87 British pounds. Then you can apply the tax, which takes it up to 44.49 pounds, which falls quite short of 50 pounds.
That is why working backwards with percentages is a bad idea.
Where exactly is the 50GBP figure coming from? Because if it's coming from ArenaNet, VAT is not included. Foreign entities CANNOT collect taxes on behalf of another nation, at least not without a special trade agreement in place. The only way they can do that is if they are based in Great Britain and are selling it there locally, because that would make it a British company. If it's coming from the US, VAT will be applied at the point of entry into the country in the form of customs and duties + brokerage. That means you can take that 50GBP number, then add VAT to it when it comes into the country.
I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that American companies are expected to collect taxes on behalf of the British Crown. That would be a new one on me. Even with NAFTA in place, Canadian and American companies don't collect one another's taxes and we have the closest trade ties on the planet. All those fees are applied at the border when goods enter and they are IN ADDITION TO the price that the importer has already paid the seller for the goods.
For instance, I will be buying the game from the US for $60. But before I can take possession of it, I will have to pay an additional 7% GST on top of it, but not to ArenaNet. ANet gets $60. The extra 7% will be paid when I pick it up or when it arrives at my door. ANet will not be remitting taxes to the Canadian government for the box I bought from them. Neither will they be doing it for their British customers.
Unless the rules governing international trade have changed drastically over the last 10 years, 50GBP is the price before any taxes or trade fees. So the question is why is it more than10GBP higher than the price it should be after the exchange adjustment, knowing that VAT will be applied AFTER the sale happens?
In euros a little expensive but nothing to scream about for. They could have go for 49.99 or something like that but considering there is no sub it's ok for me. Im probably preordering for the first time in my life.
Edit: Just saw the boxed edition on 49.99 € so it's ok for me.
Where exactly is the 50GBP figure coming from? Because if it's coming from ArenaNet, VAT is not included. Foreign entities CANNOT collect taxes on behalf of another nation, at least not without a special trade agreement in place. The only way they can do that is if they are based in Great Britain and are selling it there locally, because that would make it a British company. If it's coming from the US, VAT will be applied at the point of entry into the country in the form of customs and duties + brokerage. That means you can take that 50GBP number, then add VAT to it when it comes into the country.
I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that American companies are expected to collect taxes on behalf of the British Crown. That would be a new one on me. Even with NAFTA in place, Canadian and American companies don't collect one another's taxes and we have the closest trade ties on the planet. All those fees are applied at the border when goods enter and they are IN ADDITION TO the price that the importer has already paid the seller for the goods.
For instance, I will be buying the game from the US for $60. But before I can take possession of it, I will have to pay an additional 7% GST on top of it, but not to ArenaNet. ANet gets $60. The extra 7% will be paid when I pick it up or when it arrives at my door. ANet will not be remitting taxes to the Canadian government for the box I bought from them. Neither will they be doing it for their British customers.
Unless the rules governing international trade have changed drastically over the last 10 years, 50GBP is the price before any taxes or trade fees. So the question is why is it more than10GBP higher than the price it should be after the exchange adjustment, knowing that VAT will be applied AFTER the sale happens?
In the UK, Australia and most other countries outside the US, it is a legal requirement that tax is included in the advertised price. It was a bit of a culture shock going to the US and finding out that tax wasnt included on advertised prices. Most other countries in the world do not do that. Considering that its a localised distribution, it will include the tax.
Where exactly is the 50GBP figure coming from? Because if it's coming from ArenaNet, VAT is not included. Foreign entities CANNOT collect taxes on behalf of another nation, at least not without a special trade agreement in place. The only way they can do that is if they are based in Great Britain and are selling it there locally, because that would make it a British company. If it's coming from the US, VAT will be applied at the point of entry into the country in the form of customs and duties + brokerage. That means you can take that 50GBP number, then add VAT to it when it comes into the country.
I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that American companies are expected to collect taxes on behalf of the British Crown. That would be a new one on me. Even with NAFTA in place, Canadian and American companies don't collect one another's taxes and we have the closest trade ties on the planet. All those fees are applied at the border when goods enter and they are IN ADDITION TO the price that the importer has already paid the seller for the goods.
For instance, I will be buying the game from the US for $60. But before I can take possession of it, I will have to pay an additional 7% GST on top of it, but not to ArenaNet. ANet gets $60. The extra 7% will be paid when I pick it up or when it arrives at my door. ANet will not be remitting taxes to the Canadian government for the box I bought from them. Neither will they be doing it for their British customers.
Unless the rules governing international trade have changed drastically over the last 10 years, 50GBP is the price before any taxes or trade fees. So the question is why is it more than10GBP higher than the price it should be after the exchange adjustment, knowing that VAT will be applied AFTER the sale happens?
In the UK, Australia and most other countries outside the US, it is a legal requirement that tax is included in the advertised price. It was a bit of a culture shock going to the US and finding out that tax wasnt included on advertised prices. Most other countries in the world do not do that. Considering that its a localised distribution, it will include the tax.
hmmm nope, $60 is pretty standard. Of course if you would like to compare it how about comparing it to the cost of a WoW expansion or the cost of the launch of games like SWTOR in which you still have to pay a sub to play after the first month.
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i didnt double dip. and i kno the UK doesnt have state tax the 64.99 is used as a comparassion as what we pay to what UK pays. If the U.S pays roughly 64.99 the U.K equivilent would be roughly 41 pounds. even at 17.5 % 41 pounds would be about 48.20 pounds
You would still be wrong. 41.99 includes VAT tax. while 59.99 doesn't include sale tax, that is what he meant by double dipping.
So the UK price will be 41.99 including VAT
while the U.S price wil be 64.99 including sales tax. Assuming you buy it in store or If Ncsoft and Arenanet is located in your home state, for someone like me, since ithey are not, it will only cost me 59.99 with free shipping.
I hope you get it now.
Ok do it the easy way.... 50 pounds - 17.5% vat. roughly 41.25 pounds.... translated thats about $65.31so the prices are the same
How is the 41.99 include the vat. the price of the game is 50 pounds. and it is because of the VAT that its 50. I also used 20% when i came up with the number.... with your new number of 17.5% the the price before the vat is 41.25 (50 - 17.5%) which is $65
Maths. You are doing it wrong.
You are now comparing UK without tax, to US with tax.
I know.. .im showing the people that Arena net is not overcharging. im showing it Pre-tax to show them that its not arena net its the tax thats making the game price as high as it seems. Post tax Us is $65 and Uk is 50 gbp
To me the price is fair. I'll have no problem paying it.
http://www.guildwars2guru.com/?s=collectors+edition&x=0&y=0
Digital Edition ($59.99/£50/€55)
the way its set up is the USD is before tax but the GBP isnt. thats why i had to do it that way
Here, I will help you out:
The base value of the game is 60 US dollars. This converts to 37.87 British pounds. Then you can apply the tax, which takes it up to 44.49 pounds, which falls quite short of 50 pounds.
That is why working backwards with percentages is a bad idea.
Regardless, I will be buying it using Paypal.
Seems to be the new normal price for many games now, Mass Effect 3 was the same if im not misstaken...
Drama?!
So much for this game???!!! I am shocked
What is to much it is to much, for god sake it is not some epic title like wow it is just GW
Regardless of how you do your maths people in the UK have to pay more even after VAT is added.
I usually just find a way to buy things online in US Dollars because it saves me heaps of money.
This is what video games sell for these days if AAA company is involved. Not shocked at all.
QQ moar?
This is standard pricing nowadays for any top notch game. At least they aren't duping customers with a sub.
Also name one non-free to play MMO where you are not required to buy the box/digital version that doesn't have a similar pricing at launch.
Where exactly is the 50GBP figure coming from? Because if it's coming from ArenaNet, VAT is not included. Foreign entities CANNOT collect taxes on behalf of another nation, at least not without a special trade agreement in place. The only way they can do that is if they are based in Great Britain and are selling it there locally, because that would make it a British company. If it's coming from the US, VAT will be applied at the point of entry into the country in the form of customs and duties + brokerage. That means you can take that 50GBP number, then add VAT to it when it comes into the country.
I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that American companies are expected to collect taxes on behalf of the British Crown. That would be a new one on me. Even with NAFTA in place, Canadian and American companies don't collect one another's taxes and we have the closest trade ties on the planet. All those fees are applied at the border when goods enter and they are IN ADDITION TO the price that the importer has already paid the seller for the goods.
For instance, I will be buying the game from the US for $60. But before I can take possession of it, I will have to pay an additional 7% GST on top of it, but not to ArenaNet. ANet gets $60. The extra 7% will be paid when I pick it up or when it arrives at my door. ANet will not be remitting taxes to the Canadian government for the box I bought from them. Neither will they be doing it for their British customers.
Unless the rules governing international trade have changed drastically over the last 10 years, 50GBP is the price before any taxes or trade fees. So the question is why is it more than10GBP higher than the price it should be after the exchange adjustment, knowing that VAT will be applied AFTER the sale happens?
Guild Wars 2 Comparison:
Normal Edition: $60 Deluxe $80 Collectors $150
Other Games:
ME3: $60 Digital Deluxe: $80
Diablo3: $60 Collectors: $100
Starcraft 2: $60 Collectors: $85
Skyrim: $60 Collectors: $100
Star Wars: $60(at launch $50 now) Collectors: $150
Assassins Creed Revelations: $60 Collectors: $90(PC) $100(Consoles)
Many more games have similar pricing.
Digital (54.99€)
Digital Deluxe (74.99€)
In euros a little expensive but nothing to scream about for. They could have go for 49.99 or something like that but considering there is no sub it's ok for me. Im probably preordering for the first time in my life.
Edit: Just saw the boxed edition on 49.99 € so it's ok for me.
Not shocked, nor could I care less. If they were charging 100 for standard sure you could bitch, but their prices are on par with most.
In the UK, Australia and most other countries outside the US, it is a legal requirement that tax is included in the advertised price. It was a bit of a culture shock going to the US and finding out that tax wasnt included on advertised prices. Most other countries in the world do not do that. Considering that its a localised distribution, it will include the tax.
This ^
Can any Aussie's confirm the price there? If its comparable to the US I might just use my Aussie credit card, otherwise I will just do Paypal.
Sarcasam isn't good on forums because it can't be easily recognized... So I have to ask, are you being sarcastic?
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hmmm nope, $60 is pretty standard. Of course if you would like to compare it how about comparing it to the cost of a WoW expansion or the cost of the launch of games like SWTOR in which you still have to pay a sub to play after the first month.
Pretty standard for a game, and a much better value than say - MW3... Which was 4 hours of the same game, and a few extra maps. Or AC: Revelations.
It's actually a pretty damn good value considering how much content you get.
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