I agree with the potential damage parts of your post and it does hold good points. My thing is though in a case like this, where he was out in a public forum that at the time was a representation of EVE online and it's community. He as the CSM carriers that burden autmatically with the position..
Am I right or wrong there?
What players may do does not represent him or his opinions in game, but what HE does as CSM does reflect EVE's community. That's where the argument of his potential impact comes in. He decided to take the steps to point out this guy in his presentation. He then got intoxicated and that only exasterbated the situation even more when he went live with it.
Bad decision indeed, something that he needs to be removed from the game for? That's up for debate on some other stuff, I personally do not feel it needs to go that far or that the guy should be "crucified" because of this. But as a player in game and seeing the effect it has had on others in the community the playerbase he is supposed to represent.
Hmph.. it's on him..
Alright, since you gave a serious response, I'll be a bit more serious in my reply:
Personally, I don't consider it a "public forum". It was an event that was accessible to the public as a biproduct of a service to fans of the company/game for sure. But really, people aren't going to accidently end up watching the fanfest while surfing channels. Just my opinion. I can see others position on it, but that is likely one distinction that explains my perspective.
Now, as you say, he represents the players in some capactiy. As such, if the players don't like what he is portraying, they have the ability to remove him during the next elections (assuming other circumstances don't remove him).
Now, the bad decision and whether it should remove him from game: CCP is looking into it. Once/If they announce the results people can rage/praise as they see fit. In the meantime, if people are outraged, fleet up and go get him. The playerbase has every ability to express themselves in game if there are enough likeminded individuals. Of course, that would come across as me encouraging the griefing of a player in a public forum wouldn't it?
I know it'll just be reverse of what he did almost. That's the delima in a way, because in-game setting or RP setting this would be awesome, but the thing is what he did was OOC and out of game. That's my negative at that approach with handeling him in game.
As for waiting till the next elections, they just had one. So that would take how long? Another year.. I think people want him gone now, impeechment basically.. There's no waiting time on an exit, its done when its done..
PM before you report at least or you could just block.
I know it'll just be reverse of what he did almost. That's the delima in a way, because in-game setting or RP setting this would be awesome, but the thing is what he did was OOC and out of game. That's my negative at that approach with handeling him in game.
As for waiting till the next elections, they just had one. So that would take how long? Another year.. I think people want him gone now, impeechment basically.. There's no waiting time on an exit, its done when its done..
Yeah, at a fanfest for the game he called for an ingame action. I don't think it's really as far removed from in-character as people would like to characterize. Or, at least that it is a lot easier to be "in character" in this setting.
Regardless, sure what he did was distasteful and, as I said, barring the next exlection, there is still the CCP investigation and potential resignation that might resolve things sooner. Otherwise, if people want results right now, then they can make his in-game time as uncomfortable as possible (and be completely within the rules). He has the benefit of having a large alliance with him, but that's just more motivation for some people. The players are not completely powerless, but if they sit and complain on forums they won't get anything done.
Another thought though, as I go over the irony of suggesting people grief a player via a 'public forum'; EvE has always had a strong meta-game. If we can't call for in-game actions out-of-game (or at least out of CCP communication channels), what precedent does that set and what is the future of the metagame. Just a passing thought that's come from all this...
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Don't give to him isk you goonface! Give it to me i lost 4 ships yesterday and i will pod my self because of big depression. I give rest of isk to poor miners and victims of Jita suicide squads
I agree with the potential damage parts of your post and it does hold good points. My thing is though in a case like this, where he was out in a public forum that at the time was a representation of EVE online and it's community. He as the CSM carriers that burden autmatically with the position..
Am I right or wrong there?
What players may do does not represent him or his opinions in game, but what HE does as CSM does reflect EVE's community. That's where the argument of his potential impact comes in. He decided to take the steps to point out this guy in his presentation. He then got intoxicated and that only exasterbated the situation even more when he went live with it.
Bad decision indeed, something that he needs to be removed from the game for? That's up for debate on some other stuff, I personally do not feel it needs to go that far or that the guy should be "crucified" because of this. But as a player in game and seeing the effect it has had on others in the community the playerbase he is supposed to represent.
Hmph.. it's on him..
Alright, since you gave a serious response, I'll be a bit more serious in my reply:
Personally, I don't consider it a "public forum". It was an event that was accessible to the public as a biproduct of a service to fans of the company/game for sure. But really, people aren't going to accidently end up watching the fanfest while surfing channels. Just my opinion. I can see others position on it, but that is likely one distinction that explains my perspective.
Now, as you say, he represents the players in some capactiy. As such, if the players don't like what he is portraying, they have the ability to remove him during the next elections (assuming other circumstances don't remove him).
Now, the bad decision and whether it should remove him from game: CCP is looking into it. Once/If they announce the results people can rage/praise as they see fit. In the meantime, if people are outraged, fleet up and go get him. The playerbase has every ability to express themselves in game if there are enough likeminded individuals. Of course, that would come across as me encouraging the griefing of a player in a public forum wouldn't it?
I know it'll just be reverse of what he did almost. That's the delima in a way, because in-game setting or RP setting this would be awesome, but the thing is what he did was OOC and out of game. That's my negative at that approach with handeling him in game.
As for waiting till the next elections, they just had one. So that would take how long? Another year.. I think people want him gone now, impeechment basically.. There's no waiting time on an exit, its done when its done..
That's why the corrective action should NOT be left to in-game solutions.
It's CCP's responsibility to deal with this sociopathic act. So far, they have done nothing. Amoral company is amoral.
Originally posted by Opapanax I know it'll just be reverse of what he did almost. That's the delima in a way, because in-game setting or RP setting this would be awesome, but the thing is what he did was OOC and out of game. That's my negative at that approach with handeling him in game. As for waiting till the next elections, they just had one. So that would take how long? Another year.. I think people want him gone now, impeechment basically.. There's no waiting time on an exit, its done when its done..
Yeah, at a fanfest for the game he called for an ingame action. I don't think it's really as far removed from in-character as people would like to characterize. Or, at least that it is a lot easier to be "in character" in this setting.
Regardless, sure what he did was distasteful and, as I said, barring the next exlection, there is still the CCP investigation and potential resignation that might resolve things sooner. Otherwise, if people want results right now, then they can make his in-game time as uncomfortable as possible (and be completely within the rules). He has the benefit of having a large alliance with him, but that's just more motivation for some people. The players are not completely powerless, but if they sit and complain on forums they won't get anything done.
Another thought though, as I go over the irony of suggesting people grief a player via a 'public forum'; EvE has always had a strong meta-game. If we can't call for in-game actions out-of-game (or at least out of CCP communication channels), what precedent does that set and what is the future of the metagame. Just a passing thought that's come from all this...
It would seem ironic that the GS are complaining about metagame politics and harassment, maybe they should HTFU.
Yeah, at a fanfest for the game he called for an ingame action. I don't think it's really as far removed from in-character as people would like to characterize. Or, at least that it is a lot easier to be "in character" in this setting.
Regardless, sure what he did was distasteful and, as I said, barring the next exlection, there is still the CCP investigation and potential resignation that might resolve things sooner. Otherwise, if people want results right now, then they can make his in-game time as uncomfortable as possible (and be completely within the rules). He has the benefit of having a large alliance with him, but that's just more motivation for some people. The players are not completely powerless, but if they sit and complain on forums they won't get anything done.
Another thought though, as I go over the irony of suggesting people grief a player via a 'public forum'; EvE has always had a strong meta-game. If we can't call for in-game actions out-of-game (or at least out of CCP communication channels), what precedent does that set and what is the future of the metagame. Just a passing thought that's come from all this...
It would seem ironic that the GS are complaining about metagame politics and harassment, maybe they should HTFU.
Not sure how your statement relates to what you quoted, but you got me thinking anyhow. The Mittani is a polarizing character even without this incident. As such, some of the outtrage is probably legitimate, but it wouldn't surprise me if a number of vocal posts are just people who want him gone and are seazing on an opportunity. More credit to CCP for not jumping the gun on this based on forum posts.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
He wrote a full unreserved apology. That's good enough for me.
The Mittani is worthy of redemption.
Two people where I work get into an argument a few months back, one white worker and one black worker. After a few heated minutes my black co-worker was called the N word by the other.
Obviously the white guy was prompty fired even though he appologised. Does that mean rampant racism is ok if you appologise and that he should get his job back?
Alternatively should adults accept responsibility for their words and actions and any repercussions for poor judgement and behaviour.
Herein lies the issue of trying to force empathy from sociopaths. You can no more teach a sociopath compassion and decency than you could teach a dog differential calculus. They completely lack the internal tools to process it. People are just causing themselves needless frustration trying to argue the indecency of encouraging harassment against the mentally ill with people that are to broken on a fundamental level to care about anyone beyond the superficial "you may be of use to me, so I'll be less of an asshole to you".. Look at how they excuse him "he was drunk and it slipped out" Really? Was he spontaneously preparing slides during his presentation? Of course we have the rules lawyers saying"it doesn't count because he wasn't in the game" out of one side of their mouth while claiming "its not cyber bullying because he only gave the guys in game name". That's an interesting bit of cognitive dissonance. The bottom line is someone used their official position at a corporate sponsored event to call for the harassment of a mentally ill man simply for their own lulz and then him and his supporters try to weasel their way out of it by blaming alcohol. While tho fundamental truth is easy for people with a sense of decency to grasp, you will never be able to change the thinking of people who cannot fathom how another person may feel.
As far as ive seen, he wasnt punished for his actions, and that isnt fare, we say a bad word in a game chat and you get banned, but he blurts this stuff on a live stream at a game event, and nothing happens?
This is another example of the guilty walking free, he may be punishing himself, but its up to CCP to do that in the first place.
As far as ive seen, he wasnt punished for his actions, and that isnt fare, we say a bad word in a game chat and you get banned, but he blurts this stuff on a live stream at a game event, and nothing happens?
This is another example of the guilty walking free, he may be punishing himself, but its up to CCP to do that in the first place.
Actually you can say many bad words in EVE's game chat, its completely uncensored.
As a player and avid fan of online gaming, I'd like to ask those calling for a game company to take in-game measures against a subscriber for their out of game actions to really really consider if that's a road you truly want online content providers to go down.
I'm not going to comment on the Mittani, CCP, CSM or any of the drama, but I really do want to bring up the precedent that the pitchfork and torch crowd is looking to set here and ask them to really make sure that they realize the ramifications of what their asking for.
If said subscriber is representing the game company and the game's community on a live broadcast? Is this really that complicated?
There is already a long time precedent in place for players placed in positions of authority / privelege (forum moderators, private server game testers, etc.) being removed from that position due to misbehavior.
Im sure the preasure was on to leave. Fired takes alot of differnt forms, this one looks like CCP and this guy are trying to downplay it and hope it goes away.
Doesn't sound like someone who "gets it.", blaming everyone else. Might not be up long. "CCP threw me under the bus." "I got fucked." words right out of his own mouth..
Doesn't sound like someone who "gets it.", blaming everyone else. Might not be up long. "CCP threw me under the bus." "I got fucked." words right out of his own mouth..
After listening to that SOTG is that he does in fact own up to the mistake but then doesn't accept the ultimate punishment of being banned for 30 days then proceeds to plan a node crushing event in Jita (main trade hub in the game) to proportedly test to see if Eve Online is still the Eve Online they know and love instead of a new abomination which is the effect of some new perceived relationship with Sony. Then he proceeds to give precident as to why they won't act on their planning of "destroying Jita".
AKA, he took blame then chose not to accept his ban as an acceptable effect of his actions then plans to crash Jita - which, mind you, is an actionable and bannable offence which has more precidence than his weak linking to CCP's not acting on past psuedo-similar events. Still exceedingly egotistical.
Mmmm 30 day ban... long enough to look like a legitimate punishment from CCP.... yet short enough to fail at deterring this kind of behavior from happening again.
There you have it folks. Publicly humiliating other players and breaking TOS gets you a 30 day ban from CCP. Where as in most games using a macro program gets you a permanent ban.
Holy crap does he not get it. This guy can't seem to get why he's up for a ban. LOL. He's using this whole event as a stage to usher himself back in as some kind of conquering hero. Wow!
Doesn't sound like someone who "gets it.", blaming everyone else. Might not be up long. "CCP threw me under the bus." "I got fucked." words right out of his own mouth..
After listening to that SOTG is that he does in fact own up to the mistake but then doesn't accept the ultimate punishment of being banned for 30 days then proceeds to plan a node crushing event in Jita (main trade hub in the game) to proportedly test to see if Eve Online is still the Eve Online they know and love instead of a new abomination which is the effect of some new perceived relationship with Sony. Then he proceeds to give precident as to why they won't act on their planning of "destroying Jita".
AKA, he took blame then chose not to accept his ban as an acceptable effect of his actions then plans to crash Jita - which, mind you, is an actionable and bannable offence which has more precidence than his weak linking to CCP's not acting on past psuedo-similar events. Still exceedingly egotistical.
Well I guess my point was that had he understood the gravity of what could of happened due to his actions, he would be thankful that all he got was a 30 day ban. CCP is facing what could turn into a PR nightmare. Instead he basically blamed everyone else for what happened to him. Saying I got thrown under the bus. Just doesn't sound like someone who "gets it."
Maybe you are right and I am reading a bit to much into the recording.
Doesn't sound like someone who "gets it.", blaming everyone else. Might not be up long. "CCP threw me under the bus." "I got fucked." words right out of his own mouth..
After listening to that SOTG is that he does in fact own up to the mistake but then doesn't accept the ultimate punishment of being banned for 30 days then proceeds to plan a node crushing event in Jita (main trade hub in the game) to proportedly test to see if Eve Online is still the Eve Online they know and love instead of a new abomination which is the effect of some new perceived relationship with Sony. Then he proceeds to give precident as to why they won't act on their planning of "destroying Jita".
AKA, he took blame then chose not to accept his ban as an acceptable effect of his actions then plans to crash Jita - which, mind you, is an actionable and bannable offence which has more precidence than his weak linking to CCP's not acting on past psuedo-similar events. Still exceedingly egotistical.
Well I guess my point was that had he understood the gravity of what could of happened due to his actions, he would be thankful that all he got was a 30 day ban. CCP is facing what could turn into a PR nightmare. Instead he basically blamed everyone else for what happened to him. Saying I got thrown under the bus. Just doesn't sound like someone who "gets it."
Maybe you are right and I am reading a bit to much into the recording.
I agree with you, he's taking the blame but not accepting the punishment. The guy is incredibly arrogant and egotistical and the goonion loves and admires him for his defiance attitude. It's all part of the jouvenile internet culture.
I think the saying you can only expect from what people, what you accept from people applies to this situation. If CCP wants an atmosphere where players are harassed (for whatever reason) at will, that's exactly what they'll get by not doing something about this. CCP's acceptance of typical eve behavior leads to things like this happening in public.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I agree with you, he's taking the blame but not accepting the punishment. The guy is incredibly arrogant and egotistical and the goonion loves and admires him for his defiance attitude. It's all part of the jouvenile internet culture.
Agreed, He's admitted to being 33. As an adult, the concept of what it truly means to own your mistakes.....It's not always a halfhearted apology (since he blamed it on being drunk in the 1st place. Not like having power points ahead of time had anything to do with that) and that there just may be repercussions.
The other side is that This guy is 33 years old. what is up with that behavior in a public affair? Jeez, I expected it would have been someone 10 years younger.
And Again, at 33, his whole message was that of a game breaking temper tantrum out to ruin everyone else's game cut he was "thrown under a bus".
I truly wonder if this guy has issues separating himself from his character.
I love his comment about how this elected position is incompatible with his corp position. Because he blew his mouth off. Just how incompatible would it have been had he not publicly incited a group of people to encourage suicide.
I have to wonder what this guy does for a living. Clearly he is not used to dealing with repercussions to his actions.
And Again, at 33, his whole message was that of a game breaking temper tantrum out to ruin everyone else's game cut he was "thrown under a bus".
What's game breaking about his plans? He is announcing the intent to 'shut down Jita' with a show of force from his alliance. This gives people time to move to another trade hub, CCP time to reinforce the node (since they ask for that sort of notice when large fleet actions are planned anyhow), and generally lets people know to not be there when the action starts. This is no more "game breaking" then Hulkaggedon or the Ice mining action in those respects. The only difference is that more people have to adjust and not just miners.
Aside from that, sure the guy screwed up. He feels unjustly punished while others feel it's a slap on the wrists. That is inevitable and he is doing what he does best and trying to spin this toward his, and his alliance's, advantage. While his initial comments were wrong, the in game results should provide plenty more drama for anyone interested.
As to how effective the Jita action will be, we've already seen massive protestes in Jita when the NeX store was introduced. The node was throttled down to limit population and the game went on. People adjusted and flowed around the problem. Likely the same will happen after the initial shock and awe wears off.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
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I know it'll just be reverse of what he did almost. That's the delima in a way, because in-game setting or RP setting this would be awesome, but the thing is what he did was OOC and out of game. That's my negative at that approach with handeling him in game.
As for waiting till the next elections, they just had one. So that would take how long? Another year.. I think people want him gone now, impeechment basically.. There's no waiting time on an exit, its done when its done..
PM before you report at least or you could just block.
Yeah, at a fanfest for the game he called for an ingame action. I don't think it's really as far removed from in-character as people would like to characterize. Or, at least that it is a lot easier to be "in character" in this setting.
Regardless, sure what he did was distasteful and, as I said, barring the next exlection, there is still the CCP investigation and potential resignation that might resolve things sooner. Otherwise, if people want results right now, then they can make his in-game time as uncomfortable as possible (and be completely within the rules). He has the benefit of having a large alliance with him, but that's just more motivation for some people. The players are not completely powerless, but if they sit and complain on forums they won't get anything done.
Another thought though, as I go over the irony of suggesting people grief a player via a 'public forum'; EvE has always had a strong meta-game. If we can't call for in-game actions out-of-game (or at least out of CCP communication channels), what precedent does that set and what is the future of the metagame. Just a passing thought that's come from all this...
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Don't give to him isk you goonface! Give it to me i lost 4 ships yesterday and i will pod my self because of big depression. I give rest of isk to poor miners and victims of Jita suicide squads
That's why the corrective action should NOT be left to in-game solutions.
It's CCP's responsibility to deal with this sociopathic act. So far, they have done nothing. Amoral company is amoral.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
Yeah, at a fanfest for the game he called for an ingame action. I don't think it's really as far removed from in-character as people would like to characterize. Or, at least that it is a lot easier to be "in character" in this setting.
Regardless, sure what he did was distasteful and, as I said, barring the next exlection, there is still the CCP investigation and potential resignation that might resolve things sooner. Otherwise, if people want results right now, then they can make his in-game time as uncomfortable as possible (and be completely within the rules). He has the benefit of having a large alliance with him, but that's just more motivation for some people. The players are not completely powerless, but if they sit and complain on forums they won't get anything done.
Another thought though, as I go over the irony of suggesting people grief a player via a 'public forum'; EvE has always had a strong meta-game. If we can't call for in-game actions out-of-game (or at least out of CCP communication channels), what precedent does that set and what is the future of the metagame. Just a passing thought that's come from all this...
It would seem ironic that the GS are complaining about metagame politics and harassment, maybe they should HTFU.Not sure how your statement relates to what you quoted, but you got me thinking anyhow. The Mittani is a polarizing character even without this incident. As such, some of the outtrage is probably legitimate, but it wouldn't surprise me if a number of vocal posts are just people who want him gone and are seazing on an opportunity. More credit to CCP for not jumping the gun on this based on forum posts.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Two people where I work get into an argument a few months back, one white worker and one black worker. After a few heated minutes my black co-worker was called the N word by the other.
Obviously the white guy was prompty fired even though he appologised. Does that mean rampant racism is ok if you appologise and that he should get his job back?
Alternatively should adults accept responsibility for their words and actions and any repercussions for poor judgement and behaviour.
Herein lies the issue of trying to force empathy from sociopaths. You can no more teach a sociopath compassion and decency than you could teach a dog differential calculus. They completely lack the internal tools to process it. People are just causing themselves needless frustration trying to argue the indecency of encouraging harassment against the mentally ill with people that are to broken on a fundamental level to care about anyone beyond the superficial "you may be of use to me, so I'll be less of an asshole to you".. Look at how they excuse him "he was drunk and it slipped out" Really? Was he spontaneously preparing slides during his presentation? Of course we have the rules lawyers saying"it doesn't count because he wasn't in the game" out of one side of their mouth while claiming "its not cyber bullying because he only gave the guys in game name". That's an interesting bit of cognitive dissonance. The bottom line is someone used their official position at a corporate sponsored event to call for the harassment of a mentally ill man simply for their own lulz and then him and his supporters try to weasel their way out of it by blaming alcohol. While tho fundamental truth is easy for people with a sense of decency to grasp, you will never be able to change the thinking of people who cannot fathom how another person may feel.
As far as ive seen, he wasnt punished for his actions, and that isnt fare, we say a bad word in a game chat and you get banned, but he blurts this stuff on a live stream at a game event, and nothing happens?
This is another example of the guilty walking free, he may be punishing himself, but its up to CCP to do that in the first place.
this is a crock he knew what he was doing its why he created a power point presentation and had all types of stuff READY TO PRESENT.
He is not sorry becuase he planned this in advance.
He is just upset because he did not think people who get mad that he wanted some one to die and tried to implement it.
Indeed. He had the PowerPoint presentation already prepared, proving it was a premeditated act. The drunkeness defense doesn't wash at all.
So far, CCP still has not taken any kind of action, though the act literally took place right in front of them.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
Actually you can say many bad words in EVE's game chat, its completely uncensored.
If said subscriber is representing the game company and the game's community on a live broadcast? Is this really that complicated?
There is already a long time precedent in place for players placed in positions of authority / privelege (forum moderators, private server game testers, etc.) being removed from that position due to misbehavior.
In theory, this should end the discussion: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess it doesn't though...At any rate, CCP followed through, life goes on for all involved.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Banned for 30 days, resigned, cannot run again for the next position. Sounds like they took care of it.
Currently bored with MMO's.
Im sure the preasure was on to leave. Fired takes alot of differnt forms, this one looks like CCP and this guy are trying to downplay it and hope it goes away.
As if his initial response 2 days prior to his apology wasn't enough.
His own words.
http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march#play
Doesn't sound like someone who "gets it.", blaming everyone else. Might not be up long. "CCP threw me under the bus." "I got fucked." words right out of his own mouth..
After listening to that SOTG is that he does in fact own up to the mistake but then doesn't accept the ultimate punishment of being banned for 30 days then proceeds to plan a node crushing event in Jita (main trade hub in the game) to proportedly test to see if Eve Online is still the Eve Online they know and love instead of a new abomination which is the effect of some new perceived relationship with Sony. Then he proceeds to give precident as to why they won't act on their planning of "destroying Jita".
AKA, he took blame then chose not to accept his ban as an acceptable effect of his actions then plans to crash Jita - which, mind you, is an actionable and bannable offence which has more precidence than his weak linking to CCP's not acting on past psuedo-similar events. Still exceedingly egotistical.
Mmmm 30 day ban... long enough to look like a legitimate punishment from CCP.... yet short enough to fail at deterring this kind of behavior from happening again.
There you have it folks. Publicly humiliating other players and breaking TOS gets you a 30 day ban from CCP. Where as in most games using a macro program gets you a permanent ban.
*head on arm on desk*
This is just a slap on the wrist.
Holy crap does he not get it. This guy can't seem to get why he's up for a ban. LOL.
He's using this whole event as a stage to usher himself back in as some kind of conquering hero.
Wow!
Well I guess my point was that had he understood the gravity of what could of happened due to his actions, he would be thankful that all he got was a 30 day ban. CCP is facing what could turn into a PR nightmare. Instead he basically blamed everyone else for what happened to him. Saying I got thrown under the bus. Just doesn't sound like someone who "gets it."
Maybe you are right and I am reading a bit to much into the recording.
I agree with you, he's taking the blame but not accepting the punishment. The guy is incredibly arrogant and egotistical and the goonion loves and admires him for his defiance attitude. It's all part of the jouvenile internet culture.
I think the saying you can only expect from what people, what you accept from people applies to this situation. If CCP wants an atmosphere where players are harassed (for whatever reason) at will, that's exactly what they'll get by not doing something about this. CCP's acceptance of typical eve behavior leads to things like this happening in public.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Agreed, He's admitted to being 33. As an adult, the concept of what it truly means to own your mistakes.....It's not always a halfhearted apology (since he blamed it on being drunk in the 1st place. Not like having power points ahead of time had anything to do with that) and that there just may be repercussions.
The other side is that This guy is 33 years old. what is up with that behavior in a public affair? Jeez, I expected it would have been someone 10 years younger.
And Again, at 33, his whole message was that of a game breaking temper tantrum out to ruin everyone else's game cut he was "thrown under a bus".
I truly wonder if this guy has issues separating himself from his character.
I love his comment about how this elected position is incompatible with his corp position. Because he blew his mouth off. Just how incompatible would it have been had he not publicly incited a group of people to encourage suicide.
I have to wonder what this guy does for a living. Clearly he is not used to dealing with repercussions to his actions.
What's game breaking about his plans? He is announcing the intent to 'shut down Jita' with a show of force from his alliance. This gives people time to move to another trade hub, CCP time to reinforce the node (since they ask for that sort of notice when large fleet actions are planned anyhow), and generally lets people know to not be there when the action starts. This is no more "game breaking" then Hulkaggedon or the Ice mining action in those respects. The only difference is that more people have to adjust and not just miners.
Aside from that, sure the guy screwed up. He feels unjustly punished while others feel it's a slap on the wrists. That is inevitable and he is doing what he does best and trying to spin this toward his, and his alliance's, advantage. While his initial comments were wrong, the in game results should provide plenty more drama for anyone interested.
As to how effective the Jita action will be, we've already seen massive protestes in Jita when the NeX store was introduced. The node was throttled down to limit population and the game went on. People adjusted and flowed around the problem. Likely the same will happen after the initial shock and awe wears off.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence