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That's really stupid reason to not play a game. If I like the game it certanly won't take a few fanbois to turn me off... I choose to ignore them...
Also, I have no idea what are those craps we would take from devs? Everything so far is good, and I know you're targeting the cash shop (which was altered during the beta weekend so you can't even know what was removed from it then, not to mention you have no slightest clue what's in it now - neither does anyone of us...)
Regarding devs hearing complaints... ANet is one of the most open minded and has the best communication wih their players... I see you never actually had a chance to see how it works so far and that you're just making stuff up out of blank... Head to guildwarsguru.com and check how many threads there is where players are discussing stuff with DEVS (!) and then go to the GW2 section and check what's the situation there as well... If that's not enoguh, try sending them an email, I did it when I had few questions which I would like to see in FAQ, I got reply the next day that they will add it in the next few days since they recieved a few emails regarding the exact same thing. Now - what did you say about hearing players?
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I believe everyone should make the decision to purchase a product based on research they have done themselves. It is beneficial to read reviews and opinions of others, certainly, but you should ultimately make the decision for yourself based on the features of the product. Deciding not to purchase something, because of how other people feel about it, doesn't make much sense to me. If you like music from a band, and then discover that many other people like the same band, and defend it when other people talk poorly about it, does that make you stop liking the music?
In addition, I have read numerous posts on just this web site alone, which post false information, and make assumptions about what will or will not be in the game at launch. This is just spin, and should be taken as such. However, players who like the game will "defend" the game they are excited about, by pointing out the incorrect information/assumption.
Thats hilarious!
The CS in D3 actually sells items and gear, everyone agrees its a P2W model, and yet you would rather play that...lol..
I bet you were part of the crowd saying GW2s shop was P2W, werent you, talk about ironic.
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Just curious, what are you grinding for?
From what I have read, you get bumped up in WvW, and the PvE has some sort of system for that too. I dont get it.
What I don't get is if the game is as optimised against making cash shop purchases as people say then why are ANet going to the trouble and expense of putting the cash shop in?Oh God! Great sins I have commited. What have I done?! I step outside, and begin to cry uncontrollably. I wander into the wilderness, ripping at my clothes. I kneel, and begin to throw dirt on myself, convulsing in bitter anquish as I contemplate these great evils I have done. Woe is me............woe is me.
It's uninformed accusations that makes people staunchly defend them. I guarantee you, ask a question about a legitmate feature of teh game. Like communication in WvW (which I know they need to improve) or burst effects (really do we need the fourth of July).
But instead, the conversations tend to be about things that no one knows anything about (cash shop) or that things that they've clearely stated (endgame content). First they want to get gamers out of the mindset of "endgame" comment. I was disgusted by that word two years ago. What the heck is it? Why is there specific content only for 1 level of the game. Why do we not have this amazing content throughout the game. Why do I want to go to work again to gett gear to do endgame content. What happened to playing RPGs for story, lore and victory. Why does the requiprements for an RPG change because more people are playing.
Arenanet has said, that their level 80 (not endgame ) content will l not be primarily PVP. WvW is an option for those kinds of players. At level 80, there will be unique dynamic events, dungeons and lands for those players. WvW is a quarter of the content. This has been stated by ARenannet.
Did I care who I was going to fight at he end of Final Fantasy vi. Utlima IV, Fallout 3. Guild Wars 2 is for players that want to experience rpgs in a multiplayer world. So at level 80, you get more great content. Not just that, there's so much content in the game you can go back to any level and do content you missed, and still be challenged, and still die, and still be defeated. Take that in for a second. Imagine if you could do all the content in a game and not feel as if you're "working" or its labor intensive.
I remember playing rift, and thinking about 2 zones i passed on my road to 50, and wanting to do the content, but it was so mundane and hard work. 15 of this, 10 of this, no one else my level is doing it and i'm one hit killing everything.
Also imagine what that does for expansions. They can put in content at level 20 or 40, and everyone can do it soon. No more rolling 10 alts. NO more encouraging family and friends to join and either power leveling them or leaving them to fend for themselves until they catch up.
Cmon ref, I expect more from you than that.
A Dollar General store is a great money maker in retail, I have one as a tennant. Nothing in that store is of great value yet it is cheap and silly conveince items that sell by the truck loads. Now the rent the guy pays me selling all that crap, goes into my boat, for trips down to the Islands every couple of weeks. That's pay to win baby!
Still, these threads are all nonsense. I'm already not buying the CE edition due to the cash shop crap with mythic keys and the lame attempt at loot bags. But the more I see these idiotic threads, the more it makes me want to support Anet and buy the CE. I welcome a good well thought out and reasonable argument about what GW2 can do to make it a better game, but sifting thru these lame threads makes that impossible.
The pve sidekicking up system has gone the way of the dodo. Alot of people who say what do you get a level 80 that is so great. With the removal of the sidekicking up in pve its an easy question to answer...Freedom, Freedom to go into any zone you want whenever you want to. With the sidekicking down system none of that content is trivial either. I don't know if i'd call leveling a grind but being max level certainly has a more meaningful advantage then it did 2 weeks ago for pve.
I know a guy who owns several dollar generals and its the same thing, it has a bunch of trinkets in it. Nothing overly great, but all inexpensive and doesnt make you look at your wallet when you spend money on it. Those are the best cash shops. You get the imagination of getting something, but, when i do the math, you don't save a ton of time for 3 bucks. 12 minutes for 3 dollars here, 20 minutes for 3 dollars theres.
I'm not buying the CE simply because I'd rather them give me a credit towards the cash shop than things I don't know if i need yet.
Not to mention that Blizzard designed the D3 cash shop so they make money coming and going on these micro-transactions. As of a Feb 23rd update, they took as much as 83% of the profit depending on what the item sold for.
"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
P2W games are always worse than P2P games. Developers have to build their game mechanics to be monetized. If the most enjoyable way to implement something is X, but the best way to monetize it is Y, then it will have to be made Y. They don't have a choice, since the business model dictates design.
IF that is true, I am lol at the people thinking they are going to get rich playing D3. If you want to play it for fun, you should do so. But don't expect to make a living out of it.
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I agree. But its only my opinion. If some other person likes and wants to play P2W games I cant prove they are wrong. I cant understand why they like them. But if they are serious I will have to respect their right to like whatever they want.
Obviously most things or everything in cash shop game will be designed to make you feel that you need to use the CS. Terrible grind that you can pay money to avoid. Boosts that you will think you need to become more powerful. Content that you cant beat without buying things from the CS that helps...and so on.
OMG stop being so deceptive. EVERYBODY knows one of the main reasons Anet put the ability to buy gems in the game and allow to sell in auction was to cut out the GOLD sellers. Anet themselves said this. The point is to be able to purchase GOLD in the game by doing this.
If you keep posting disinformation I will be continually forced to post the REAL information and be accussed of repeating myself. I need to repeat myself because the cash shop apologists keep spreading false information in order to try to keep the pay2win stamp off their game. The RvRvR boost are clear pay2win, even most GW2 fans admit this. They just say "it is a SMALL advantage"
cash->gems->gold->influence->RvRvRboosts = Pay2win
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
Advice: Fanboyism got you down? Just get away from forums for a while. Your problem will disappear.
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
Grind or Pay has universally been called pay2win until the GW2 cash shop defenders realized they don't want their game to be called pay2win. Many Korean MMO grindfests follow this "grind or pay" model and everybody has referred to them as pay2win until GW2 has redefined this pay2win concept as an esport LOL.
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
So you admit, you cannot buy gold?!
Yes you buy gold. How many times do I have to post this:
cash->gems->gold->influence->RvRvRboosts = Pay2win
And you have missed the memo from most of the Anet apologists. The pay2win is now called "negligible" or "small" rather than to deny it completely. Better get up to speed on the latest defense tactics...
Anet specifically put this cash->gems->gold system in the game in order to sell GOLD. They have said this many times. You are just losing all credibility by pretending otherwise when Anet themselves say that was the reason.
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements
The only thing that is missing in this thread is RobertDinh.
Time and extra conveince lol.
I shit you not Ref, it's possible to put a cash shop in for those who don't have time and still make what's in it not an actual need and not p2 fucking win or to not get your ass whooped or to exceed those not using it period.
It's possible, but let me guess God didn't really create you to give two shits about the facts, as he didn't create me to shead a tear over this the OP and others shitting out false info.
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I agree with the OP. The GW2 fans are immature and cultish. Every game has these types, some games more so than others. I have followed every major MMORPG on this site since Darkfall. (Darkfall was the reason I actually made an account on this site, not because I wanted to play DF but because its cultish fanbase was absolute morons, and an absolute blast to "troll".) I dont forsee GW2 cultish fans to surpass those of the DF board, but without a doubt they are a close 2nd to DF. Its rather sad.
That being said, nothing that takes place on the forums will deter me from playing a game because when its all said and done forum followers are but a very small fraction of a games player base. I have my reserves about this game, I am not liking what I am hearing, theres been way to many red flags that are just screaming out. I went from definate pre-order to I am going to wait and see what people will say about the game around a month after it launches, especially after the "new game feeling" wears off. Thats where the real reveiws come from. This game isnt going to be the 2nd coming of christ that the cultists make it out to be. But it just makes for free entertainment on the forums when the game launches.
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I was just messing with you, since you had just asked how many times you have to post something, I myself am going to wait, and if the final version of the cash shop is not to my liking, I may not play...I am not hyped by any game...I also refuse to get worked up on something that is not a final build....I am looking at TSW/GW2 atm, but I doubt I am going to preorder or prebuy until I get more information...
I prefer a sub and no cash shop myself, but times change, just as I prefer no or little instancing, but if I had to stick to that anymore, I would have nothing to play it seems....I do hope the hybrid trend continues though, and we get more sandbox in the hybrids...
I will wait and see...
The wise thing to do if you are on the fence is just wait for it to go F2P. That is how the game is structured anyway, they just know they can fleece their die hard fans the extra $60+ for the box as well. The cost of this game will be down to $30 within 3 months, $15 within 6 months, and F2P before their first expansion.
GW2 "built from the ground up with microtransactions in mind"
1) Cash->Gems->Gold->Influence->WvWvWBoosts = PAY2WIN
2) Mystic Chests = Crass in-game cash shop advertisements