the EURO pricing is higher (at least when compared to Blizzard games)
Thats what happens when you live in a socialist run country. Deal with it or MOVE.
Like a buddy of mine once said "I didn't like the country I was living in and their policies so I voted with my feet."
This made me chuckle, I don't think the word "socialist" means what you think it means.
I don't think you grasp socialist agendas and economic policies that think the government should control your money instead of you controlling your finances ex. - VAT. Go takes a basic economic class and get back to me.
Oh come on, now we are changing the goalposts. None of the countries that we are talking about here (i.e. industrialized countries) are Socialist. None of them own the means of production. They are all capitalist to varying degrees. Some have more government control/regulation than others but they are definitely not Socialist. Heck the only major country that is Socialist that I can think of is China, and even they are allowing for much more entrepreneurial control. Venezuela and Cuba aren't really "major" players in anything really though they actually have Socialistic systems in place.
Just a few point on the politics (As an American):
1. Obama is not a Muslim and is actively trying to reform the government.
2. The Democratic Party does have socialist influences - for example, unions are a form of socialism and their principals were founded during the early industrial age by socialist movements
3. Obama still supports a capitalist society - albeit one more equitable. A system without corporate welfare is technically more free market than the crony capitalist sysetm currently practiced today.
4. Europe is not socialist, but has a generous welfare state. There are still international corporations and private property. As I understand it, a liberal in European terms is not the same as an American liberal.
5. Germany's economy is fine and far healthier than other European states. This is largely due to their ordoliberal policies and the fact that I only buy German beer, thereby boosting their national profits. ( I love Spaten, Ayinger and Weihenstephaner!)
To the points at hand
1. Buy only what you feel comfortable buying. If you don't feel ready to buy the game, without a release schedule, then don't.
2. The Collector's Edition includes more than just digital items - while the price is higher, I am happy to support ArenaNet.
3. I forgot what else I was going to say, so drink German beer!
Yeah the price was rather extortionate. At least it makes you stop and consider the worth of a pre-purchase straight from ANet. I've skipped the last few MMO releases so I thought I'd go ahead this time round.
So.... people are finally moving on for the CS "P2W" and now are bitching about the price of GW2 even though the price has been the stand fare for a new MMO for.... years now? See people still think that a B2P MMO equates to a free or dirt cheap however faulty their logic is.
if it was $100 I'd still buy it. why you ask? THERE IS NO MONTHLY SUB COST. of course the initial price will be high- they have to make money to sustain until the cash shop starts making money. I swear peoples intelligence levels sometimes on forums is unbelievable.
not to mention all other games (swtor for example) were $60 too.
Good for you, sunshine. Enjoy the game, I'll be playing something more reasonably priced .
the EURO pricing is higher (at least when compared to Blizzard games)
Thats what happens when you live in a socialist run country. Deal with it or MOVE.
Like a buddy of mine once said "I didn't like the country I was living in and their policies so I voted with my feet."
This made me chuckle, I don't think the word "socialist" means what you think it means.
I don't think you grasp socialist agendas and economic policies that think the government should control your money instead of you controlling your finances ex. - VAT. Go takes a basic economic class and get back to me.
It is not one country and they are not all run by socialists (wtf?). Don't tell others to go take a class if you don't even realise that Europe isn't one country. There are no countries with a real free market. All have regulations and governments that help main industry to stay healthy. (Would GM still exist without that?)
Also VAT doesn't even come close to explain the price difference. It is also not the same for all European countries.
I'm referring to the Euro "Zone". Yes many countries comprise Western Europe and the majority of those countries are going bankrupt because of whatever degree of social economic policies they practice with maybe the exception of Germany and it's economy is by no means healthly.
But the government buying up so much corporate debt that the USA keeps hitting its debt ceiling and being on the verge of default(like those EU countries) is fine? Its exactly the same. Current USA public debt is $15.589 TRILLION
Yes. U.S. debt has tripled in the last 3 years due to a president and congress that have socialist values and agendas. We are working on fixing that in November. Thank you. your statement validates my point exactly.
The irony regarding people like Saxx0n is that if they had the education that a "socialist" country provided, for free, he'd perhaps realise how he's been fooled by the conservative rhetoric and misdirection.
Not only are the "facts" he's quoting incredibly erroneous, but he's unable to drown out his right brain enough to ask questions like "Why did the debt run up post 9-11, what did we spend the money on, and what was the ROI of that expenditure?"
Rational analysis wins the day. I long for the point where all those middle class people realise that post-Reagan conservative politics has been taking the piss of their constituents for over 30 years.
The internet is an amazing platform for some people to showcase their deficiencies as a person.
The irony regarding people like Saxx0n is that if they had the education that a "socialist" country provided, for free, he'd perhaps realise how he's been fooled by the conservative rhetoric and misdirection.
Not only are the "facts" he's quoting incredibly erroneous, but he's unable to drown out his right brain enough to ask questions like "Why did the debt run up post 9-11, what did we spend the money on, and what was the ROI of that expenditure?"
Rational analysis wins the day and I long for the point where all those middle class people realise that current conservative politics has been taking the piss of their constituents for over 30 years.
the EURO pricing is higher (at least when compared to Blizzard games)
Thats what happens when you live in a socialist run country. Deal with it or MOVE.
Like a buddy of mine once said "I didn't like the country I was living in and their policies so I voted with my feet."
This made me chuckle, I don't think the word "socialist" means what you think it means.
I don't think you grasp socialist agendas and economic policies that think the government should control your money instead of you controlling your finances ex. - VAT. Go takes a basic economic class and get back to me.
It is not one country and they are not all run by socialists (wtf?). Don't tell others to go take a class if you don't even realise that Europe isn't one country. There are no countries with a real free market. All have regulations and governments that help main industry to stay healthy. (Would GM still exist without that?)
Also VAT doesn't even come close to explain the price difference. It is also not the same for all European countries.
I'm referring to the Euro "Zone". Yes many countries comprise Western Europe and the majority of those countries are going bankrupt because of whatever degree of social economic policies they practice with maybe the exception of Germany and it's economy is by no means healthly.
But the government buying up so much corporate debt that the USA keeps hitting its debt ceiling and being on the verge of default(like those EU countries) is fine? Its exactly the same. Current USA public debt is $15.589 TRILLION
Yes. U.S. debt has tripled in the last 3 years due to a president and congress that have socialist values and agendas. We are working on fixing that in November. Thank you. your statement validates my point exactly.
The irony regarding people like Saxx0n is that if they had the education that a "socialist" country provided, for free, he'd perhaps realise how he's been fooled by the conservative rhetoric and misdirection.
Not only are the "facts" he's quoting incredibly erroneous, but he's unable to drown out his right brain enough to ask questions like "Why did the debt run up post 9-11, what did we spend the money on, and what was the ROI of that expenditure?"
Rational analysis wins the day. I long for the point where all those middle class people realise that post-Reagan conservative politics has been taking the piss of their constituents for over 30 years.
if it was $100 I'd still buy it. why you ask? THERE IS NO MONTHLY SUB COST. of course the initial price will be high- they have to make money to sustain until the cash shop starts making money. I swear peoples intelligence levels sometimes on forums is unbelievable.
So you would sell your kidney for GW2 if they told you to. Psst, F2P games have what to sustain the game until the cash shop makes money? Oh yeah, $0 in hand. Multiply millions of hyped fans by $60. Not just the US, but EU and possibly Asia too. Someone please make a counter thread called cash shop and boot lickers. They already made money, and they're acting like you didn't pay a damn dime and putting a cash shop in the game. Cash shops belong in games that you pay nothing for.
Sarenthor, education in socialist countries isn't free. It's taken from the pockets of the middle class and given to people who don't work. I don't work and exist to pay for everyone else who are too lazy to work or make children like nuts. God save the tax haven countries!
So.... people are finally moving on for the CS "P2W" and now are bitching about the price of GW2 even though the price has been the stand fare for a new MMO for.... years now? See people still think that a B2P MMO equates to a free or dirt cheap however faulty their logic is.
if you read, the issue is only the price in EU and UK which is definitely not standard and not apportiante to the US price.
some morons claim its because of VAT but they are clueless
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2 Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR Best MMO: SWG Worst MMO: SWTOR
I don't think you grasp socialist agendas and economic policies that think the government should control your money instead of you controlling your finances ex. - VAT. Go takes a basic economic class and get back to me.
VAT is sales tax, yes it goes into central government coffers. You guys pay federal and state sales tax, so you have two lots of people 'controling your finances' I guess it's not a socialist agenda if t's on your own doorstep?
Last one out turn the lights off.
Actually I paid exactly 59.99. List price with "zero" taxes because it was purchased over the internet.
/lights off
you really are clueless.
please dont comment on what you dont understand.
the price up has nothing to do with VAT. end of.
Typical. Next time, try supplying details of the mistake, so it can be checked, and corrected IF required. Its been quite some time since I was last in Europe, so its a natural assumption. If this isn't the case, then something else is involved.
the EURO pricing is higher (at least when compared to Blizzard games)
Thats what happens when you live in a socialist run country. Deal with it or MOVE.
Like a buddy of mine once said "I didn't like the country I was living in and their policies so I voted with my feet."
This made me chuckle, I don't think the word "socialist" means what you think it means.
I don't think you grasp socialist agendas and economic policies that think the government should control your money instead of you controlling your finances ex. - VAT. Go takes a basic economic class and get back to me.
It is not one country and they are not all run by socialists (wtf?). Don't tell others to go take a class if you don't even realise that Europe isn't one country. There are no countries with a real free market. All have regulations and governments that help main industry to stay healthy. (Would GM still exist without that?)
Also VAT doesn't even come close to explain the price difference. It is also not the same for all European countries.
I'm referring to the Euro "Zone". Yes many countries comprise Western Europe and the majority of those countries are going bankrupt because of whatever degree of social economic policies they practice with maybe the exception of Germany and it's economy is by no means healthly.
But the government buying up so much corporate debt that the USA keeps hitting its debt ceiling and being on the verge of default(like those EU countries) is fine? Its exactly the same. Current USA public debt is $15.589 TRILLION
Yes. U.S. debt has tripled in the last 3 years due to a president and congress that have socialist values and agendas. We are working on fixing that in November. Thank you. your statement validates my point exactly.
The irony regarding people like Saxx0n is that if they had the education that a "socialist" country provided, for free, he'd perhaps realise how he's been fooled by the conservative rhetoric and misdirection.
Not only are the "facts" he's quoting incredibly erroneous, but he's unable to drown out his right brain enough to ask questions like "Why did the debt run up post 9-11, what did we spend the money on, and what was the ROI of that expenditure?"
Rational analysis wins the day. I long for the point where all those middle class people realise that post-Reagan conservative politics has been taking the piss of their constituents for over 30 years.
Yes, rational analysis is always nice... But one seldom hears such from either neo cons or neo libs. Its been my experience that ideology trumps reality and facts with both factions. One has only to look at the results of generations of ill conceived policy to see the problems that both sides have managed to inflict.
Crushing debt, a debased currency and an entire under class that is dependent on governments "services", rather than their own talents, knowledge and skills. Couple in the waste of endless trillions on the military/industrial/intelligence complex, and the only wonder is that things aren't worse.
if it was $100 I'd still buy it. why you ask? THERE IS NO MONTHLY SUB COST.
We all have our opinions I would not. I play plenty of games that cost nothing and have no monthly. I play games that cost $60 no monthly. This game isn't a revolutionary one, I'm not going to allow the industry to set any crazy standard like this. I barley ever have paid $60 for a game.
Ok so it seems with the exchange rate we are talking about $80-$90 US? So a regular priced game + 2 months of a subscription for sub MMOs? Thats what the whinning is about?
You guys should go back to your $60 console game giving 15 hours of game play or that subscription MMO. That'll teach Anet a lesson
if it was $100 I'd still buy it. why you ask? THERE IS NO MONTHLY SUB COST. of course the initial price will be high- they have to make money to sustain until the cash shop starts making money. I swear peoples intelligence levels sometimes on forums is unbelievable.
So you would sell your kidney for GW2 if they told you to. Psst, F2P games have what to sustain the game until the cash shop makes money? Oh yeah, $0 in hand. Multiply millions of hyped fans by $60. Not just the US, but EU and possibly Asia too. Someone please make a counter thread called cash shop and boot lickers. They already made money, and they're acting like you didn't pay a damn dime and putting a cash shop in the game. Cash shops belong in games that you pay nothing for.
Sarenthor, education in socialist countries isn't free. It's taken from the pockets of the middle class and given to people who don't work. I don't work and exist to pay for everyone else who are too lazy to work or make children like nuts. God save the tax haven countries!
I'm not sure what you consider a socialist country - or even yet what your definition of socialism is - or what you consider free to mean but across the broadly acknowledged definition, your statement couldn't be more wrong.
Take a scandinavian country like Sweden, for example. No tuition is required for its citizens for education beyond what is called high school in the States. Yes, it's funded by the government but is accessable to everyone regardless of race, color, creed, or socioeconomic status. If you check the trend of tuition costs in the US, you might be shocked to find out it's increasing at an alarming rate, and has been for over 30 years. Since 1980, the median family income in the US has increased ~20% where the cost for a 4 year public university education has increased over 200%. Is this a coincidence? Perhaps, but there's a great deal of data which exist to the contrary.
Do they have a higher tax rate in Sweden than the US? Absolutely, and it's significantly more. Do they have a higher standard of living? Based on almost all metrics accepted to measure such a thing, yes. Is this coincidence? Perhaps, but I'd not take that position and this is a long conversation ill-suited for this forum.
The term socialism is often misunderstood by the general public in the west and leveraged by a portion of the political spectrum as a tool. That portion of the political spectrum also would have you believe that health care (and everything possible, frankly) is to be leveraged to make someone a profit instead of ensuring all your citizens have medical care/education/etc.
With regard to you "I don't work and exist" statement: Alas, when we're young, we all know very little apart from what we've learned from our family and our environment in general. I'd challenge you to educate yourself about social programs, where the money really goes and, more importantly, how little of the federal and state budgets (ie. our tax dollars) are used to that end. I'd wager a fair bit that you're just regurgitating what you've been told, just as I used to many years ago. It's easy to get pissed off about things which seem to be true but when you can step away and do some objective research, the truth might be quite different from what you believed. It's not a binary situation but many shades of grey - just make sure you do all you can to understand the larger picture.
For the record, I grew up in NYC on pubic assistance for 18 years with a single mother who never held a job after her 2nd trimester with me. I vowed I'd not follow that path and have not. My younger years were spent raging at the machine and all the perceived injustice as I went in to the military. Over time, my life experience showed me that I was manipulated by the conservative machine who preyed on my sensitivities and naivete. My hope is that everyone can someday have reason and data triumph over rhetoric. Cheers.
The internet is an amazing platform for some people to showcase their deficiencies as a person.
the EURO pricing is higher (at least when compared to Blizzard games)
Thats what happens when you live in a socialist run country. Deal with it or MOVE.
Like a buddy of mine once said "I didn't like the country I was living in and their policies so I voted with my feet."
This made me chuckle, I don't think the word "socialist" means what you think it means.
I don't think you grasp socialist agendas and economic policies that think the government should control your money instead of you controlling your finances ex. - VAT. Go takes a basic economic class and get back to me.
It is not one country and they are not all run by socialists (wtf?). Don't tell others to go take a class if you don't even realise that Europe isn't one country. There are no countries with a real free market. All have regulations and governments that help main industry to stay healthy. (Would GM still exist without that?)
Also VAT doesn't even come close to explain the price difference. It is also not the same for all European countries.
I'm referring to the Euro "Zone". Yes many countries comprise Western Europe and the majority of those countries are going bankrupt because of whatever degree of social economic policies they practice with maybe the exception of Germany and it's economy is by no means healthly.
But the government buying up so much corporate debt that the USA keeps hitting its debt ceiling and being on the verge of default(like those EU countries) is fine? Its exactly the same. Current USA public debt is $15.589 TRILLION
Yes. U.S. debt has tripled in the last 3 years due to a president and congress that have socialist values and agendas. We are working on fixing that in November. Thank you. your statement validates my point exactly.
The irony regarding people like Saxx0n is that if they had the education that a "socialist" country provided, for free, he'd perhaps realise how he's been fooled by the conservative rhetoric and misdirection.
Not only are the "facts" he's quoting incredibly erroneous, but he's unable to drown out his right brain enough to ask questions like "Why did the debt run up post 9-11, what did we spend the money on, and what was the ROI of that expenditure?"
Rational analysis wins the day. I long for the point where all those middle class people realise that post-Reagan conservative politics has been taking the piss of their constituents for over 30 years.
Yes, rational analysis is always nice... But one seldom hears such from either neo cons or neo libs. Its been my experience that ideology trumps reality and facts with both factions. One has only to look at the results of generations of ill conceived policy to see the problems that both sides have managed to inflict.
Crushing debt, a debased currency and an entire under class that is dependent on governments "services", rather than their own talents, knowledge and skills. Couple in the waste of endless trillions on the military/industrial/intelligence complex, and the only wonder is that things aren't worse.
I agree completely. The middle is the ground where consensus can be built but both extreme ends of the spectrum stand to lose much if they capitulate.
I'd expect that if you take Occupy Wall Street and escalate it two or three orders of magnitude, that's what you'd have if the bulk of the south ever realized how they've been willingly robbed and misled for many generations. The problem is getting the real data to the masses and squlech the bullshit long enough for them, and the rest of the country, to really hear it.
The internet is an amazing platform for some people to showcase their deficiencies as a person.
this is quite a huge confusing bus ride of a thread..
but i must question, if people are so pissy about the region block.. couldnt they just mod their install file to another region? shouldnt be that hard to just tell the game... OH LOOK im in X country now you run..
while i agree the Anet price for euro's is retarded i dont see why anyone would pay 80euros for it.. if there is another euro site selling it for 40
im used to 30-70 bucks for games given my NA location.. i dont like it personally as generally a month after launch the prices drop in to the toilet... i liked GW1 i personally didnt play anything but the beta for their EXPs as i didnt feel the game justified me paying another 30-50 bucks for an addon content that basicly gave me 1 more class and not much else.. mind you i beat the game in like a week of off/on playing so.. owell.
im sure there are people who feel justified in paying 100 bucks for GW2 just like there are many who feel strongly against it.. best thing for people to do is pay with their wallet.. if you want to pay 100 do so.. if you dont. dont, find a 3rd party site selling it for less if the offical site (anet) is over priced for your tastes. im sure there are/will be lots of sites selling this for less
if it was $100 I'd still buy it. why you ask? THERE IS NO MONTHLY SUB COST. of course the initial price will be high- they have to make money to sustain until the cash shop starts making money. I swear peoples intelligence levels sometimes on forums is unbelievable.
So you would sell your kidney for GW2 if they told you to. Psst, F2P games have what to sustain the game until the cash shop makes money? Oh yeah, $0 in hand. Multiply millions of hyped fans by $60. Not just the US, but EU and possibly Asia too. Someone please make a counter thread called cash shop and boot lickers. They already made money, and they're acting like you didn't pay a damn dime and putting a cash shop in the game. Cash shops belong in games that you pay nothing for.
Sarenthor, education in socialist countries isn't free. It's taken from the pockets of the middle class and given to people who don't work. I don't work and exist to pay for everyone else who are too lazy to work or make children like nuts. God save the tax haven countries!
I'm not sure what you consider a socialist country - or even yet what your definition of socialism is - or what you consider free to mean but across the broadly acknowledged definition, your statement couldn't be more wrong.
Take a scandinavian country like Sweden, for example. No tuition is required for its citizens for education beyond what is called high school in the States. Yes, it's funded by the government but is accessable to everyone regardless of race, color, creed, or socioeconomic status. If you check the trend of tuition costs in the US, you might be shocked to find out it's increasing at an alarming rate, and has been for over 30 years. Since 1980, the median family income in the US has increased ~20% where the cost for a 4 year public university education has increased over 200%. Is this a coincidence? Perhaps, but there's a great deal of data which exist to the contrary.
Do they have a higher tax rate in Sweden than the US? Absolutely, and it's significantly more. Do they have a higher standard of living? Based on almost all metrics accepted to measure such a thing, yes. Is this coincidence? Perhaps, but I'd not take that position and this is a long conversation ill-suited for this forum.
The term socialism is often misunderstood by the general public in the west and leveraged by a portion of the political spectrum as a tool. That portion of the political spectrum also would have you believe that health care (and everything possible, frankly) is to be leveraged to make someone a profit instead of ensuring all your citizens have medical care/education/etc.
With regard to you "I don't work and exist" statement: Alas, when we're young, we all know very little apart from what we've learned from our family and our environment in general. I'd challenge you to educate yourself about social programs, where the money really goes and, more importantly, how little of the federal and state budgets (ie. our tax dollars) are used to that end. I'd wager a fair bit that you're just regurgitating what you've been told, just as I used to many years ago. It's easy to get pissed off about things which seem to be true but when you can step away and do some objective research, the truth might be quite different from what you believed. It's not a binary situation but many shades of grey - just make sure you do all you can to understand the larger picture.
For the record, I grew up in NYC on pubic assistance for 18 years with a single mother who never held a job after her 2nd trimester with me. I vowed I'd not follow that path and have not. My younger years were spent raging at the machine and all the perceived injustice as I went in to the military. Over time, my life experience showed me that I was manipulated by the conservative machine who preyed on my sensitivities and naivete. My hope is that everyone can someday have reason and data triumph over rhetoric. Cheers.
if it was $100 I'd still buy it. why you ask? THERE IS NO MONTHLY SUB COST. of course the initial price will be high- they have to make money to sustain until the cash shop starts making money. I swear peoples intelligence levels sometimes on forums is unbelievable.
not to mention all other games (swtor for example) were $60 too.
You're brave, don't you know that you can get one-shotted on here if you don't join the "Cash shop is bad" group? Dude...
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Well, since sauerkraut gives in-mouth advantages, they would never sell it in the cs would they?
Oh come on, now we are changing the goalposts. None of the countries that we are talking about here (i.e. industrialized countries) are Socialist. None of them own the means of production. They are all capitalist to varying degrees. Some have more government control/regulation than others but they are definitely not Socialist. Heck the only major country that is Socialist that I can think of is China, and even they are allowing for much more entrepreneurial control. Venezuela and Cuba aren't really "major" players in anything really though they actually have Socialistic systems in place.
Just a few point on the politics (As an American):
1. Obama is not a Muslim and is actively trying to reform the government.
2. The Democratic Party does have socialist influences - for example, unions are a form of socialism and their principals were founded during the early industrial age by socialist movements
3. Obama still supports a capitalist society - albeit one more equitable. A system without corporate welfare is technically more free market than the crony capitalist sysetm currently practiced today.
4. Europe is not socialist, but has a generous welfare state. There are still international corporations and private property. As I understand it, a liberal in European terms is not the same as an American liberal.
5. Germany's economy is fine and far healthier than other European states. This is largely due to their ordoliberal policies and the fact that I only buy German beer, thereby boosting their national profits. ( I love Spaten, Ayinger and Weihenstephaner!)
To the points at hand
1. Buy only what you feel comfortable buying. If you don't feel ready to buy the game, without a release schedule, then don't.
2. The Collector's Edition includes more than just digital items - while the price is higher, I am happy to support ArenaNet.
3. I forgot what else I was going to say, so drink German beer!
Yeah the price was rather extortionate. At least it makes you stop and consider the worth of a pre-purchase straight from ANet. I've skipped the last few MMO releases so I thought I'd go ahead this time round.
So.... people are finally moving on for the CS "P2W" and now are bitching about the price of GW2 even though the price has been the stand fare for a new MMO for.... years now? See people still think that a B2P MMO equates to a free or dirt cheap however faulty their logic is.
Good for you, sunshine. Enjoy the game, I'll be playing something more reasonably priced
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While interesting, there would likely be some basic economic explanation for it and not just that Anet decided to fleece the UK for more.
The internet is an amazing platform for some people to showcase their deficiencies as a person.
Regards,
Sarethor
The irony regarding people like Saxx0n is that if they had the education that a "socialist" country provided, for free, he'd perhaps realise how he's been fooled by the conservative rhetoric and misdirection.
Not only are the "facts" he's quoting incredibly erroneous, but he's unable to drown out his right brain enough to ask questions like "Why did the debt run up post 9-11, what did we spend the money on, and what was the ROI of that expenditure?"
Rational analysis wins the day. I long for the point where all those middle class people realise that post-Reagan conservative politics has been taking the piss of their constituents for over 30 years.
The internet is an amazing platform for some people to showcase their deficiencies as a person.
Regards,
Sarethor
Hear, hear!
Re: SWTOR
"Remember, remember - Kakk says 'December.'"
Life IS Feudal
So you would sell your kidney for GW2 if they told you to. Psst, F2P games have what to sustain the game until the cash shop makes money? Oh yeah, $0 in hand. Multiply millions of hyped fans by $60. Not just the US, but EU and possibly Asia too. Someone please make a counter thread called cash shop and boot lickers. They already made money, and they're acting like you didn't pay a damn dime and putting a cash shop in the game. Cash shops belong in games that you pay nothing for.
Sarenthor, education in socialist countries isn't free. It's taken from the pockets of the middle class and given to people who don't work. I don't work and exist to pay for everyone else who are too lazy to work or make children like nuts. God save the tax haven countries!
if you read, the issue is only the price in EU and UK which is definitely not standard and not apportiante to the US price.
some morons claim its because of VAT but they are clueless
Currently playing- SWG PreCU & GW 2
Have tried WoW, AoC, & Vanguard, SWG:NGE, GW, LOTRO & SWTOR
Best MMO: SWG
Worst MMO: SWTOR
Typical. Next time, try supplying details of the mistake, so it can be checked, and corrected IF required. Its been quite some time since I was last in Europe, so its a natural assumption. If this isn't the case, then something else is involved.
You guys are having the time of your lives, aren't ya...
Yes, rational analysis is always nice... But one seldom hears such from either neo cons or neo libs. Its been my experience that ideology trumps reality and facts with both factions. One has only to look at the results of generations of ill conceived policy to see the problems that both sides have managed to inflict.
Crushing debt, a debased currency and an entire under class that is dependent on governments "services", rather than their own talents, knowledge and skills. Couple in the waste of endless trillions on the military/industrial/intelligence complex, and the only wonder is that things aren't worse.
We all have our opinions I would not. I play plenty of games that cost nothing and have no monthly. I play games that cost $60 no monthly. This game isn't a revolutionary one, I'm not going to allow the industry to set any crazy standard like this. I barley ever have paid $60 for a game.
at the end of the year, gaming sites and magazine will crown GW2 with Best Value award, among others
so why all this bickering about the price? get yourself a headstart on this wonderful game
Have fun storming the castle! - Miracle Max
Ok so it seems with the exchange rate we are talking about $80-$90 US? So a regular priced game + 2 months of a subscription for sub MMOs? Thats what the whinning is about?
You guys should go back to your $60 console game giving 15 hours of game play or that subscription MMO. That'll teach Anet a lesson
I'm not sure what you consider a socialist country - or even yet what your definition of socialism is - or what you consider free to mean but across the broadly acknowledged definition, your statement couldn't be more wrong.
Take a scandinavian country like Sweden, for example. No tuition is required for its citizens for education beyond what is called high school in the States. Yes, it's funded by the government but is accessable to everyone regardless of race, color, creed, or socioeconomic status. If you check the trend of tuition costs in the US, you might be shocked to find out it's increasing at an alarming rate, and has been for over 30 years. Since 1980, the median family income in the US has increased ~20% where the cost for a 4 year public university education has increased over 200%. Is this a coincidence? Perhaps, but there's a great deal of data which exist to the contrary.
Do they have a higher tax rate in Sweden than the US? Absolutely, and it's significantly more. Do they have a higher standard of living? Based on almost all metrics accepted to measure such a thing, yes. Is this coincidence? Perhaps, but I'd not take that position and this is a long conversation ill-suited for this forum.
The term socialism is often misunderstood by the general public in the west and leveraged by a portion of the political spectrum as a tool. That portion of the political spectrum also would have you believe that health care (and everything possible, frankly) is to be leveraged to make someone a profit instead of ensuring all your citizens have medical care/education/etc.
With regard to you "I don't work and exist" statement: Alas, when we're young, we all know very little apart from what we've learned from our family and our environment in general. I'd challenge you to educate yourself about social programs, where the money really goes and, more importantly, how little of the federal and state budgets (ie. our tax dollars) are used to that end. I'd wager a fair bit that you're just regurgitating what you've been told, just as I used to many years ago. It's easy to get pissed off about things which seem to be true but when you can step away and do some objective research, the truth might be quite different from what you believed. It's not a binary situation but many shades of grey - just make sure you do all you can to understand the larger picture.
For the record, I grew up in NYC on pubic assistance for 18 years with a single mother who never held a job after her 2nd trimester with me. I vowed I'd not follow that path and have not. My younger years were spent raging at the machine and all the perceived injustice as I went in to the military. Over time, my life experience showed me that I was manipulated by the conservative machine who preyed on my sensitivities and naivete. My hope is that everyone can someday have reason and data triumph over rhetoric. Cheers.
The internet is an amazing platform for some people to showcase their deficiencies as a person.
Regards,
Sarethor
I agree completely. The middle is the ground where consensus can be built but both extreme ends of the spectrum stand to lose much if they capitulate.
I'd expect that if you take Occupy Wall Street and escalate it two or three orders of magnitude, that's what you'd have if the bulk of the south ever realized how they've been willingly robbed and misled for many generations. The problem is getting the real data to the masses and squlech the bullshit long enough for them, and the rest of the country, to really hear it.
The internet is an amazing platform for some people to showcase their deficiencies as a person.
Regards,
Sarethor
this is quite a huge confusing bus ride of a thread..
but i must question, if people are so pissy about the region block.. couldnt they just mod their install file to another region? shouldnt be that hard to just tell the game... OH LOOK im in X country now you run..
while i agree the Anet price for euro's is retarded i dont see why anyone would pay 80euros for it.. if there is another euro site selling it for 40
im used to 30-70 bucks for games given my NA location.. i dont like it personally as generally a month after launch the prices drop in to the toilet... i liked GW1 i personally didnt play anything but the beta for their EXPs as i didnt feel the game justified me paying another 30-50 bucks for an addon content that basicly gave me 1 more class and not much else.. mind you i beat the game in like a week of off/on playing so.. owell.
im sure there are people who feel justified in paying 100 bucks for GW2 just like there are many who feel strongly against it.. best thing for people to do is pay with their wallet.. if you want to pay 100 do so.. if you dont. dont, find a 3rd party site selling it for less if the offical site (anet) is over priced for your tastes. im sure there are/will be lots of sites selling this for less
Cost exactly the same as SC2 and D3 here... I actually voted yes to Euro but I been kinda happy the vote failed the last few years.
socialism eats babies. everyone knows that.
edit: pubic assistance? *giggle* that sounds fun!
You're brave, don't you know that you can get one-shotted on here if you don't join the "Cash shop is bad" group? Dude...
I reluctantly paid £50 for the digital version from Anet but I won't be supporting Anet by buying items from the cash shop.
I've already paid £15-20 over the odds so they can do without my funding for gems and other crap they are selling.