I played in Tera's beta and was a little dissapointed. I was expecting true action combat, got instead "true. action. combat.". What's the difference? Tera's combat is not true action in the same way that GW2's combat is true action (move & cast, dodge & avoid dmg). In Tera, as a sorcerer I had to stand still and cast; it reminded me a lot of when I played a Mage in WOW.
Nothing against Tera, unlike SWTOR, I hope Tera does well. But... when Tera advertizes itself as "True. Action. Combat.", I believe they are being misleading. They want the player to believe that Tera's combat is "true action combat" (without the periods). But, by putting the periods in between True and Action, Tera is technically not saying that their combat is true action. It is a common technique used by advertizing companies. Is it just me or did anyone else catch this?
Notice the difference: "True. Action. Combat." vs "True Action Combat".
I suggest you pay attention to action games like DMC, Ninja Gaiden, God of War, Bayonetta (my favorite!!!). They all root you/ animation lock you during attacks.
Unless you want an ice-skating simulator, rooting is necessary.
I'd love for someone to show me a huge list of action games that have attacks that don't have their own animations that cause your character to stop doing their movement animations (and no FPS/TPS's don't count).
GW2 does not root you down for the vast majority of the casts
I played in Tera's beta and was a little dissapointed. I was expecting true action combat, got instead "true. action. combat.". What's the difference? Tera's combat is not true action in the same way that GW2's combat is true action (move & cast, dodge & avoid dmg). In Tera, as a sorcerer I had to stand still and cast; it reminded me a lot of when I played a Mage in WOW.
Nothing against Tera, unlike SWTOR, I hope Tera does well. But... when Tera advertizes itself as "True. Action. Combat.", I believe they are being misleading. They want the player to believe that Tera's combat is "true action combat" (without the periods). But, by putting the periods in between True and Action, Tera is technically not saying that their combat is true action. It is a common technique used by advertizing companies. Is it just me or did anyone else catch this?
Notice the difference: "True. Action. Combat." vs "True Action Combat".
I suggest you pay attention to action games like DMC, Ninja Gaiden, God of War, Bayonetta (my favorite!!!). They all root you/ animation lock you during attacks.
Unless you want an ice-skating simulator, rooting is necessary.
I'd love for someone to show me a huge list of action games that have attacks that don't have their own animations that cause your character to stop doing their movement animations (and no FPS/TPS's don't count).
GW2 does not root you down for the vast majority of the casts
Gw2 combat felt like ice skating with a whiffle ball bat. Running and attacking at the same time made the ai easy to beat and kiting is rediculously easy.
Ice-skating with a wiffle ball bat is a pretty accurate observation, though I enjoyed it. Combat doesn't have to be "good" to enjoy it. I played the Unreal Tournament games quite a bit, though I wouldn't call the combat good. Fun, but not good.
You'll see more of that after the no-NDA-weekend. GW2 is not pining its hopes on combat but on other features which make it truly shine.
I played in Tera's beta and was a little dissapointed. I was expecting true action combat, got instead "true. action. combat.". What's the difference? Tera's combat is not true action in the same way that GW2's combat is true action (move & cast, dodge & avoid dmg). In Tera, as a sorcerer I had to stand still and cast; it reminded me a lot of when I played a Mage in WOW.
Nothing against Tera, unlike SWTOR, I hope Tera does well. But... when Tera advertizes itself as "True. Action. Combat.", I believe they are being misleading. They want the player to believe that Tera's combat is "true action combat" (without the periods). But, by putting the periods in between True and Action, Tera is technically not saying that their combat is true action. It is a common technique used by advertizing companies. Is it just me or did anyone else catch this?
Notice the difference: "True. Action. Combat." vs "True Action Combat".
This guy is hilarious. Since when was playing Mesmer, spamming my laser sword skill on cooldown while back pedaling, and then going into stealth when melee got into range, rinse, repeat considered true action combat? If you need GW2 gameplay video I can happily link you to it. Expect a lot of players that enjoy playing melee classes suddenly showing up on Tera's PvP servers after experiencing GW2's "Action Combat" in BWE.
Also talking about F2P, you don't need 1.7 million subs to be successful P2P game. And what did they said SW:TOR cost to make, like $200million? Tera doesn't need to make that much money to be successful. With Plenty of content at launch + A strong community + No compeition for the whole summer, I'm very confident that Tera will have all the subs it needs to remain P2P. And everybody in the forums keeps harping about GW2, well even if GW2 did come out, it's not a sub game, so there's no reason for people that ARE playing Tera to unsub to play GW2.
You people that think a game should fail because you don't like it, need to get over yourselves. A game will only fail if there's no market for it, and there's a huge market for games like Tera.
Originally posted by Himemiya I suggest you pay attention to action games like DMC, Ninja Gaiden, God of War, Bayonetta (my favorite!!!). They all root you/ animation lock you during attacks. Unless you want an ice-skating simulator, rooting is necessary. I'd love for someone to show me a huge list of action games that have attacks that don't have their own animations that cause your character to stop doing their movement animations (and no FPS/TPS's don't count).
GW2 does not root you down for the vast majority of the casts
This is gold... Not only GW2 is going to revolutionize the MMORPGs world but also the Action games world!!! I have a slogan "GW2 more action then action games!" Sim City you are next!!!!
Edit: Some times when i read about GW2 on this board a scene of Braveheart pop in my mind:
William: Sons of Scotland! I am William Wallace. Soldier 2: William Wallace is seven feet tall! William: Yes, I've heard. Kills men by the hundreds. And if HE were here, he'd consume the English with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.
I suggest you pay attention to action games like DMC, Ninja Gaiden, God of War, Bayonetta (my favorite!!!). They all root you/ animation lock you during attacks.
Unless you want an ice-skating simulator, rooting is necessary.
I'd love for someone to show me a huge list of action games that have attacks that don't have their own animations that cause your character to stop doing their movement animations (and no FPS/TPS's don't count).
GW2 does not root you down for the vast majority of the casts
This is gold... Not only GW2 is going to revolutionize the MMORPGs world but also the Action games world!!!
I have a slogan "GW2 more action then action games!"
Sim City you are next!!!!
It truly is beyond ridiculous at this point Which is why I'm counting down the days until the proverbial shit hits the fan next weekend. The comparisons will hopefully end and people who want true. ice-skating. combat can bugger off to GW2.
It truly is beyond ridiculous at this point Which is why I'm counting down the days until the proverbial shit hits the fan next weekend. The comparisons will hopefully end and people who want true. ice-skating. combat can bugger off to GW2.
Oh but i don't think GW2 will be bad. I play GW1 since release and i think I'll like GW2, I just think some fans are expecting too much from a single game.
And as WOW fans once did and still do they are pissing all the other games community with a bit of fanaticism.
It truly is beyond ridiculous at this point Which is why I'm counting down the days until the proverbial shit hits the fan next weekend. The comparisons will hopefully end and people who want true. ice-skating. combat can bugger off to GW2.
Oh but i don't think GW2 will be bad. I play GW1 since release and i think I'll like GW2, I just think some fans are expecting too much from a single game.
And as WOW fans once did and still do they are pissing all the other games community with a bit of fanaticism.
I played it myself end of March hence why I'm more grounded and know what to expect. I will enjoy popping in from time to time.
It truly is beyond ridiculous at this point Which is why I'm counting down the days until the proverbial shit hits the fan next weekend. The comparisons will hopefully end and people who want true. ice-skating. combat can bugger off to GW2.
I thought you were playing GW2 as well? Does this mean you will be "buggering off" to GW2 next weekend for the "true ice-skating" combat?
I imagine the forums are going to blow starting within minutes of the beta opening with people saying "I played for 1 minute and it was terrible!" I played Tera for about 8-10 hours, didn't like it, but have no ill-will against the game or the people playing it. People should play what they enjoy.
"Loading screens" are not "instances". Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
It truly is beyond ridiculous at this point Which is why I'm counting down the days until the proverbial shit hits the fan next weekend. The comparisons will hopefully end and people who want true. ice-skating. combat can bugger off to GW2.
I thought you were playing GW2 as well? Does this mean you will be "buggering off" to GW2 next weekend with the "true ice-skating" combat?
Emphasis on: people who want.
People who want that kind of combat. They. Not me. I'll be dipping my toes in GW2 for different reasons.
I do however, think it will be F2P pretty quickly. It will have to be if it wants to compete with F2P Aion in the long-term, let alone make a profit over other games coming later this year.
Most people on this site think every new game that comes up will fail. I wouldnt listen to them, their games just suck that bad they have nothing better to do then hangout on this site.
I played in Tera's beta and was a little dissapointed. I was expecting true action combat, got instead "true. action. combat.". What's the difference? Tera's combat is not true action in the same way that GW2's combat is true action (move & cast, dodge & avoid dmg). In Tera, as a sorcerer I had to stand still and cast; it reminded me a lot of when I played a Mage in WOW.
Nothing against Tera, unlike SWTOR, I hope Tera does well. But... when Tera advertizes itself as "True. Action. Combat.", I believe they are being misleading. They want the player to believe that Tera's combat is "true action combat" (without the periods). But, by putting the periods in between True and Action, Tera is technically not saying that their combat is true action. It is a common technique used by advertizing companies. Is it just me or did anyone else catch this?
Notice the difference: "True. Action. Combat." vs "True Action Combat".
This guy is hilarious. Since when was playing Mesmer, spamming my laser sword skill on cooldown while back pedaling, and then going into stealth when melee got into range, rinse, repeat considered true action combat? If you need GW2 gameplay video I can happily link you to it. Expect a lot of players that enjoy playing melee classes suddenly showing up on Tera's PvP servers after experiencing GW2's "Action Combat" in BWE.
Also talking about F2P, you don't need 1.7 million subs to be successful P2P game. And what did they said SW:TOR cost to make, like $200million? Tera doesn't need to make that much money to be successful. With Plenty of content at launch + A strong community + No compeition for the whole summer, I'm very confident that Tera will have all the subs it needs to remain P2P. And everybody in the forums keeps harping about GW2, well even if GW2 did come out, it's not a sub game, so there's no reason for people that ARE playing Tera to unsub to play GW2.
You people that think a game should fail because you don't like it, need to get over yourselves. A game will only fail if there's no market for it, and there's a huge market for games like Tera.
Bigbadwlf, its almost as if you didn't even bother reading my post. I never said Tera wasn't "true action combat", just said that I believed them to be a bit misleading and that it wasn't as much "true action combat" as GW2's combat system. Both games have similar combat systems, except that in GW2 you appear to have more "freedom" (dmg mitigation options) with dodging and being able to move while casting (to just name 2).
As to melee players switching from GW2 to Tera only time will tell. But after seeing and playing both games, I'm very certain and confident that especially melee players will enjoy the "free" combat style of GW2 more than the Tera combat style. Obviously its your opinion vs mine... and again, only time and "subs" will tell.
I have nothing against Tera, but I don't think it is a AAA game (not worth subs; should be F2P). Tera may enjoy a large number of subs prior to the GW2 release and they may hold strong for a while. Since GW2 does not scam their playerbase into paying $15 USD per month, I don't see Tera's sub numbers going down too drastically. But... having said that, people can usually only play one game at a time, as in, you only have two hands. One person playing GW2 for 2 hrs is one person not playing Tera for 2 hrs; multiply that by thousands, it ends up adding up.
I think Tera will enjoy a relative degree of success, give it several months (approx 6-12 months) and I believe they will end up transitioning to a F2P gaming system. Either case, I do hope Tera does well. For the record Bigbadwlf, I believe a game should succeed/fail based on its own merit, that is... the playerbase. We the playerbase ultimately decide if a game succeeds or fails.
I have nothing against Tera, but I don't think it is a AAA game (not worth subs; should be F2P). Tera may enjoy a large number of subs prior to the GW2 release and they may hold strong for a while. Since GW2 does not scam their playerbase into paying $15 USD per month, I don't see Tera's sub numbers going down too drastically. But... having said that, people can usually only play one game at a time, as in, you only have two hands. One person playing GW2 for 2 hrs is one person not playing Tera for 2 hrs; multiply that by thousands, it ends up adding up.
I think Tera will enjoy a relative degree of success, give it several months (approx 6-12 months) and I believe they will end up transitioning to a F2P gaming system. Either case, I do hope Tera does well. For the record Bigbadwlf, I believe a game should succeed/fail based on its own merit, that is... the playerbase. We the playerbase ultimately decide if a game succeeds or fails.
You are trying to sound objective and then BAM "Since GW2 does not scam their playerbase into paying $15 USD per month" and here it goes again.
SCAM? Are you for real? this is ridicolous if not borderline slandering. I don't see any EME employee point a gun at you or talk you into sub to their game. So what the hell are you talking about?
I have nothing against Tera, but I don't think it is a AAA game (not worth subs; should be F2P). Tera may enjoy a large number of subs prior to the GW2 release and they may hold strong for a while. Since GW2 does not scam their playerbase into paying $15 USD per month, I don't see Tera's sub numbers going down too drastically. But... having said that, people can usually only play one game at a time, as in, you only have two hands. One person playing GW2 for 2 hrs is one person not playing Tera for 2 hrs; multiply that by thousands, it ends up adding up.
I think Tera will enjoy a relative degree of success, give it several months (approx 6-12 months) and I believe they will end up transitioning to a F2P gaming system. Either case, I do hope Tera does well. For the record Bigbadwlf, I believe a game should succeed/fail based on its own merit, that is... the playerbase. We the playerbase ultimately decide if a game succeeds or fails.
You are trying to sound objective and then BAM "Since GW2 does not scam their playerbase into paying $15 USD per month" and here it goes again.
SCAM? Are you for real? this is ridicolous if not borderline slandering. I don't see any EME employee point a gun at you or talk you into sub to their game. So what the hell are you talking about?
Kehdar, unlike others, I don't pretend to be objective. I try to be as fair as possible, but everyone (including me) has their own preference, and as such, we judge based on our own bias. Scams in most cases do not involve lethal weapons such as guns. If someone was ponting a gun at me it would not be a scam, in most cases it would be considered robbery with a dangerous weapon. As for talking people into paying monthly subs, that's what advertizing is for. So, to answer your queestion, EME employees are in fact actively talking (advertisement) us into paying monthly subs for their game.
I have nothing against Tera, but I don't think it is a AAA game (not worth subs; should be F2P). Tera may enjoy a large number of subs prior to the GW2 release and they may hold strong for a while. Since GW2 does not scam their playerbase into paying $15 USD per month, I don't see Tera's sub numbers going down too drastically. But... having said that, people can usually only play one game at a time, as in, you only have two hands. One person playing GW2 for 2 hrs is one person not playing Tera for 2 hrs; multiply that by thousands, it ends up adding up.
I think Tera will enjoy a relative degree of success, give it several months (approx 6-12 months) and I believe they will end up transitioning to a F2P gaming system. Either case, I do hope Tera does well. For the record Bigbadwlf, I believe a game should succeed/fail based on its own merit, that is... the playerbase. We the playerbase ultimately decide if a game succeeds or fails.
You are trying to sound objective and then BAM "Since GW2 does not scam their playerbase into paying $15 USD per month" and here it goes again.
SCAM? Are you for real? this is ridicolous if not borderline slandering. I don't see any EME employee point a gun at you or talk you into sub to their game. So what the hell are you talking about?
Yeah, I'd agree. It can't be a scam since people know what they're buying and how much they're paying for it. They're buying a service, and who cares if they chose to do so.
I've said this before, but when you promote GW2 as the solution to the MMO problem people are going to find themselves disappointed. Anyone can educate themselves on what GW2 is and what it is not, yet a lot of folks aren't doing this, and will be showing up this beta weekend with all kinds of fantasies of how this will be the best game ever.
If you think there have been a lot of threads on Tera this weekend providing criticisms, some fair (IMO), some not, just wait until Friday. GW2 is going to be trolled to hell. Luckily, I'll be too busy in the beta, but I have a really good idea of what I'm getting with my purchase. I'm not expecting GW2 to be able to make sammiches while doing my laundry while also fixing everything I don't like about current MMOs.
At any rate, Tera is what it is, a lot of people will play it and enjoy it from months to years, same with GW2, but it's not like Highlander where there can be only one.
"Loading screens" are not "instances". Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
Kehdar, unlike others, I don't pretend to be objective. I try to be as fair as possible, but everyone (including me) has their own preference, and as such, we judge based on our own bias. Scams in most cases do not involve lethal weapons such as guns. If someone was ponting a gun at me it would not be a scam, in most cases it would be considered robbery with a dangerous weapon. As for talking people into paying monthly subs, that's what advertizing is for. So, to answer your queestion, EME employees are in fact actively talking (advertisement) us into paying monthly subs for their game.
Are you really trying to defend the position of calling SCAM advertizing for their product?
Scam
noun
1.
a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially formaking a quick profit; swindle.
verb (used with object)
2.
to cheat or defraud with a scam.
I don't see no fraud and no cheat in advertising your product. And again this is bordeline slandering, atm you are the only one using a fishy way to promote his ideas.
Yeah, I'd agree. It can't be a scam since people know what they're buying and how much they're paying for it. They're buying a service, and who cares if they chose to do so.
I've said this before, but when you promote GW2 as the solution to the MMO problem people are going to find themselves disappointed. Anyone can educate themselves on what GW2 is and what it is not, yet a lot of folks aren't doing this, and will be showing up this beta weekend with all kinds of fantasies of how this will be the best game ever.
If you think there have been a lot of threads on Tera this weekend providing criticisms, some fair (IMO), some not, just wait until Friday. GW2 is going to be trolled to hell. Luckily, I'll be too busy in the beta, but I have a really good idea of what I'm getting with my purchase. I'm not expecting GW2 to be able to make sammiches while doing my laundry while also fixing everything I don't like about current MMOs.
At any rate, Tera is what it is, a lot of people like it and I hope they enjoy it from launch on.
By scam I don't mean that people don't know what they're getting into. By scam I mean a swindle. The days of monthly subs are numbered. It is one thing to buy a game, it is another to buy the game again and again every single month. By this I obviously mean the monthly subs. Think about it this way, when you finance a car and only make the minimum payments every month for however long the financing is for (4-6 years), how many times over are you actually paying for the car? It is obviously legal, but its a scam, its a complete rip-off. Same with a house. You take a $200k house loan and in 30 years you end up paying over $300k! Again, its legal but the buyer is getting swindled. Here's another one, how many times have you over paid for items that are worth less than half their listed price on the streets?
My issue with monthly subs is that they are no longer (if ever) a requirement for good quality games. I believe GW2 is proof of that. By the way, I do not believe that GW2 is the answer to all the mmo gaming needs. You are right, come the beta weekend, GW2 is going to be trashed on the forums. Every game has its weakness, I just think that GW2 has a lot going for it. Time and sales will tell.
By scam I don't mean that people don't know what they're getting into. By scam I mean a swindle. The days of monthly subs are numbered. It is one thing to buy a game, it is another to buy the game again and again every single month. By this I obviously mean the monthly subs. Think about it this way, when you finance a car and only make the minimum payments every month for however long the financing is for (4-6 years), how many times over are you actually paying for the car? It is obviously legal, but its a scam, its a complete rip-off. Same with a house. You take a $200k house loan and in 30 years you end up paying over $300k! Again, its legal but the buyer is getting swindled. Here's another one, how many times have you over paid for items that are worth less than half their listed price on the streets?
My issue with monthly subs is that they are no longer (if ever) a requirement for good quality games. I believe GW2 is proof of that. By the way, I do not believe that GW2 is the answer to all the mmo gaming needs. You are right, come the beta weekend, GW2 is going to be trashed on the forums. Every game has its weakness, I just think that GW2 has a lot going for it. Time and sales will tell.
No all those example are not scam, you exactly know what you are getting into in accepting to use them. I'm nost scammed or swindled in paying a sub i pay because i choose so.
You can say you don't like sub games, and it's fine, but not that's a scam or that people "don't know what they are getting into" do you think everyone is an idiot but you?
GW2 is the proof of nothing, GW2 is not even released.
Are you really trying to defend the position of calling SCAM advertizing for their product?
Scam
noun
1.
a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially formaking a quick profit; swindle.
verb (used with object)
2.
to cheat or defraud with a scam.
I don't see no fraud and no cheat in advertising your product. And again this is bordeline slandering, atm you are the only one using a fishy way to promote his ideas.
I obviously do not believe that monthly subs are illegal, in that they are illegally stealing from us in a covert manner. However, I do believe that the deceit lies with the supposed need of monthly subs in order to develop and sustain a AAA mmorpg. If you bought an article of clothing from a store in a mall for a certain amount of money and then saw it for less than half in the streets, you would say "its a scam! they ripped me off!". People still believe that monthly subs are what makes a good game and as such are willing to give away their hard earned money. I did for years playing wow.
As to advertisement, I was responding to your question about EME employess talking us into buying their game and paying monthly subs. You're really into the "slandering" word, I just call it as I see it... monthly subs are a rip-off and a (legal) scam.
By scam I don't mean that people don't know what they're getting into. By scam I mean a swindle. The days of monthly subs are numbered. It is one thing to buy a game, it is another to buy the game again and again every single month. By this I obviously mean the monthly subs. Think about it this way, when you finance a car and only make the minimum payments every month for however long the financing is for (4-6 years), how many times over are you actually paying for the car? It is obviously legal, but its a scam, its a complete rip-off. Same with a house. You take a $200k house loan and in 30 years you end up paying over $300k! Again, its legal but the buyer is getting swindled. Here's another one, how many times have you over paid for items that are worth less than half their listed price on the streets?
My issue with monthly subs is that they are no longer (if ever) a requirement for good quality games. I believe GW2 is proof of that. By the way, I do not believe that GW2 is the answer to all the mmo gaming needs. You are right, come the beta weekend, GW2 is going to be trashed on the forums. Every game has its weakness, I just think that GW2 has a lot going for it. Time and sales will tell.
No all those example are not scam, you exactly know what you are getting into in accepting to use them. I'm nost scammed or swindled in paying a sub i pay because i choose so.
You can say you don't like sub games, and it's fine, but not that's a scam or that people "don't know what they are getting into" do you think everyone is an idiot but you?
GW2 is the proof of nothing, GW2 is not even released.
Kehdar, you can know what you're getting into and still get (legally) scammed/ripped off. And no, I don't think everyone is an idiot but myself, I never said that; you shouldn't put words in my mouth. I'm an idiot like everyone else who pays/paid subs (I did for years).
GW2 is the proof that you can get a good quality game without monthly subs. True, it is not released, but there is sufficient information/videos/reviews to evidence that.
I obviously do not believe that monthly subs are illegal, in that they are illegally stealing from us in a covert manner. However, I do believe that the deceit lies with the supposed need of monthly subs in order to develop and sustain a AAA mmorpg. If you bought an article of clothing from a store in a mall for a certain amount of money and then saw it for less than half in the streets, you would say "its a scam! they ripped me off!". People still believe that monthly subs are what makes a good game and as such are willing to give away their hard earned money. I did for years playing wow.
As to advertisement, I was responding to your question about EME employess talking us into buying their game and paying monthly subs. You're really into the "slandering" word, I just call it as I see it... monthly subs are a rip-off and a (legal) scam.
Yes, the day i'll see someone playing Tera for free while i'll have to pay for it i'll screan "IT'S SCAM!" till then it's not.
Yea is funny to call slander a false and malicious statement. While is all right calling scam a perfectly legal business practice.
I obviously do not believe that monthly subs are illegal, in that they are illegally stealing from us in a covert manner. However, I do believe that the deceit lies with the supposed need of monthly subs in order to develop and sustain a AAA mmorpg. If you bought an article of clothing from a store in a mall for a certain amount of money and then saw it for less than half in the streets, you would say "its a scam! they ripped me off!". People still believe that monthly subs are what makes a good game and as such are willing to give away their hard earned money. I did for years playing wow.
As to advertisement, I was responding to your question about EME employess talking us into buying their game and paying monthly subs. You're really into the "slandering" word, I just call it as I see it... monthly subs are a rip-off and a (legal) scam.
Yes, the day i'll see someone playing Tera for free while i'll have to pay for it i'll screan "IT'S SCAM!" till then it's not.
Yea is funny to call slander a false and malicious statement. While is all right calling scam a perfectly legal business practice.
Kehdar, the day you pay monthly subs in order to play Tera you should scream "its a scam!".
My statements are not false and nowhere have they ever been malicious. GW2 does not require a monthly sub, Tera does. I predict that GW2 will end up being a more succesfull game than Tera (my opinion). Though that will not settle the monthly sub debate, I think it will speak volumes. You assume that I'm just a troll and I am blindly hating on Tera. I have nothing against Tera except for their monthly subs. If you read my previous posts, you'll notice that in several ocasions I even wished Tera success in their endeavor. As to the "perfectly legal business practice", though it may be legal to over charge people for a product worth much less than what you are advertising, its still a (legal) scam and a rip-off.
Mark my words, monthly subs have their days numbered.
You are trying to sound objective and then BAM "Since GW2 does not scam their playerbase into paying $15 USD per month" and here it goes again.
SCAM? Are you for real? this is ridicolous if not borderline slandering. I don't see any EME employee point a gun at you or talk you into sub to their game. So what the hell are you talking about?
Yeah be careful friend, you don't want to end up losing your account defending Tera (in the Tera forums) like I did against GW2 players.
The truth of the matter is, even the most ardent hater of Tera has complimented it's combat system, Tera is true action combat in every sense of the word. GW2 is shooting itself in the foot boasting it's game as true action combat, that's going to put it right up against Tera's system.
And yes I will be playing GW2's BWE, and unfortunately for NCSoft, I'm not a paid scrub journalist who couldn't PvP his way out of a paperbag. Me and thousands of other real PvPers will put GW2's combat to the test and we're going to tear those BGs apart. Tears will be everywhere. We'll see which game really should hold the mantle of "True Action Combat". And I don't owe a thing to EME, if GW2's combat is better, then I will play GW2.
Unfortunately for ArenaNet they let a bunch of journalists overhype GW2's combat to god status, and bashing Tera's combat mechanics which is the biggest mistake they could have ever made. Everybody is going to go into GW2's BWE thinking there going to be able to dodge and react to any of a real PvPer's cheap faceroll PvP tactics, like they could have in Tera, and leave ArenaNet cleaning up the mess.
Kehdar, the day you pay monthly subs in order to play Tera you should scream "its a scam!".
My statements are not false and nowhere have they ever been malicious. GW2 does not require a monthly sub, Tera does. I predict that GW2 will end up being a more succesfull game than Tera (my opinion). Though that will not settle the monthly sub debate, I think it will speak volumes. You assume that I'm just a troll and I am blindly hating on Tera. I have nothing against Tera except for their monthly subs. If you read my previous posts, you'll notice that in several ocasions I even wished Tera success in their endeavor. As to the "perfectly legal business practice", though it may be legal to over charge people for a product worth much less than what you are advertising, its still a (legal) scam and a rip-off.
Mark my words, monthly subs have their days numbered.
Oh but you are getting me wrong, I do think that GW2 will be more successfull of Tera i have no doubt about that but this doesn't mean Tera is trash and doesn't make paying a sub a scam.
In regard to the "charge people for a product worth much less" welcome to our world, where everything is overpriced.
How much do you think it costs, to the company who build it, the mouse you are using? I bet you paid 3-4 times (in the best case) that price, still i don't see you screaming it's a scam.
Yeah be careful friend, you don't want to end up losing your account defending Tera (in the Tera forums) like I did against GW2 players.
The truth of the matter is, even the most ardent hater of Tera has complimented it's combat system, Tera is true action combat in every sense of the word. GW2 is shooting itself in the foot boasting it's game as true action combat, that's going to put it right up against Tera's system.
And yes I will be playing GW2's BWE, and unfortunately for NCSoft, I'm not a paid scrub journalist who couldn't PvP his way out of a paperbag. Me and thousands of other real PvPers will put GW2's combat to the test and we're going to tear those BGs apart. Tears will be everywhere. We'll see which game really should hold the mantle of "True Action Combat". And I don't owe a thing to EME, if GW2's combat is better, then I will play GW2.
Unfortunately for ArenaNet they let a bunch of journalists overhype GW2's combat to god status, and bashing Tera's combat mechanics which is the biggest mistake they could have ever made. Everybody is going to go into GW2's BWE thinking there going to be able to dodge and react to any of a real PvPer's cheap faceroll PvP tactics, like they could have in Tera, and leave ArenaNet cleaning up the mess.
I'm looking forward to some serious payback.
wow... so much for any attempt at objectivity. What do you mean by losing your account by defending Tera?
I obviously disagree with your assessment of GW2 vs Tera, but looking forward to some serious payback? yikes! got some bitterness there buddy.
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GW2 does not root you down for the vast majority of the casts
if you played the beta - http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/938738-/62465088
Gw2 combat felt like ice skating with a whiffle ball bat. Running and attacking at the same time made the ai easy to beat and kiting is rediculously easy.
Ice-skating with a wiffle ball bat is a pretty accurate observation, though I enjoyed it. Combat doesn't have to be "good" to enjoy it. I played the Unreal Tournament games quite a bit, though I wouldn't call the combat good. Fun, but not good.
You'll see more of that after the no-NDA-weekend. GW2 is not pining its hopes on combat but on other features which make it truly shine.
L2P TERA combat:
This guy is hilarious. Since when was playing Mesmer, spamming my laser sword skill on cooldown while back pedaling, and then going into stealth when melee got into range, rinse, repeat considered true action combat? If you need GW2 gameplay video I can happily link you to it. Expect a lot of players that enjoy playing melee classes suddenly showing up on Tera's PvP servers after experiencing GW2's "Action Combat" in BWE.
Also talking about F2P, you don't need 1.7 million subs to be successful P2P game. And what did they said SW:TOR cost to make, like $200million? Tera doesn't need to make that much money to be successful. With Plenty of content at launch + A strong community + No compeition for the whole summer, I'm very confident that Tera will have all the subs it needs to remain P2P. And everybody in the forums keeps harping about GW2, well even if GW2 did come out, it's not a sub game, so there's no reason for people that ARE playing Tera to unsub to play GW2.
You people that think a game should fail because you don't like it, need to get over yourselves. A game will only fail if there's no market for it, and there's a huge market for games like Tera.
I have a slogan "GW2 more action then action games!"
Sim City you are next!!!!
Edit: Some times when i read about GW2 on this board a scene of Braveheart pop in my mind:
William: Sons of Scotland! I am William Wallace.
Soldier 2: William Wallace is seven feet tall!
William: Yes, I've heard. Kills men by the hundreds. And if HE were here, he'd consume the English with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse.
It truly is beyond ridiculous at this point
Which is why I'm counting down the days until the proverbial shit hits the fan next weekend. The comparisons will hopefully end and people who want true. ice-skating. combat can bugger off to GW2.
L2P TERA combat:
Oh but i don't think GW2 will be bad. I play GW1 since release and i think I'll like GW2, I just think some fans are expecting too much from a single game.
And as WOW fans once did and still do they are pissing all the other games community with a bit of fanaticism.
I played it myself end of March hence why I'm more grounded and know what to expect. I will enjoy popping in from time to time.
L2P TERA combat:
I thought you were playing GW2 as well? Does this mean you will be "buggering off" to GW2 next weekend for the "true ice-skating" combat?
I imagine the forums are going to blow starting within minutes of the beta opening with people saying "I played for 1 minute and it was terrible!" I played Tera for about 8-10 hours, didn't like it, but have no ill-will against the game or the people playing it. People should play what they enjoy.
"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
Emphasis on: people who want.
People who want that kind of combat. They. Not me. I'll be dipping my toes in GW2 for different reasons.
L2P TERA combat:
Guess who owns AION.
Most people on this site think every new game that comes up will fail. I wouldnt listen to them, their games just suck that bad they have nothing better to do then hangout on this site.
Bigbadwlf, its almost as if you didn't even bother reading my post. I never said Tera wasn't "true action combat", just said that I believed them to be a bit misleading and that it wasn't as much "true action combat" as GW2's combat system. Both games have similar combat systems, except that in GW2 you appear to have more "freedom" (dmg mitigation options) with dodging and being able to move while casting (to just name 2).
As to melee players switching from GW2 to Tera only time will tell. But after seeing and playing both games, I'm very certain and confident that especially melee players will enjoy the "free" combat style of GW2 more than the Tera combat style. Obviously its your opinion vs mine... and again, only time and "subs" will tell.
I have nothing against Tera, but I don't think it is a AAA game (not worth subs; should be F2P). Tera may enjoy a large number of subs prior to the GW2 release and they may hold strong for a while. Since GW2 does not scam their playerbase into paying $15 USD per month, I don't see Tera's sub numbers going down too drastically. But... having said that, people can usually only play one game at a time, as in, you only have two hands. One person playing GW2 for 2 hrs is one person not playing Tera for 2 hrs; multiply that by thousands, it ends up adding up.
I think Tera will enjoy a relative degree of success, give it several months (approx 6-12 months) and I believe they will end up transitioning to a F2P gaming system. Either case, I do hope Tera does well. For the record Bigbadwlf, I believe a game should succeed/fail based on its own merit, that is... the playerbase. We the playerbase ultimately decide if a game succeeds or fails.
You are trying to sound objective and then BAM "Since GW2 does not scam their playerbase into paying $15 USD per month" and here it goes again.
SCAM? Are you for real? this is ridicolous if not borderline slandering. I don't see any EME employee point a gun at you or talk you into sub to their game. So what the hell are you talking about?
Kehdar, unlike others, I don't pretend to be objective. I try to be as fair as possible, but everyone (including me) has their own preference, and as such, we judge based on our own bias. Scams in most cases do not involve lethal weapons such as guns. If someone was ponting a gun at me it would not be a scam, in most cases it would be considered robbery with a dangerous weapon. As for talking people into paying monthly subs, that's what advertizing is for. So, to answer your queestion, EME employees are in fact actively talking (advertisement) us into paying monthly subs for their game.
Yeah, I'd agree. It can't be a scam since people know what they're buying and how much they're paying for it. They're buying a service, and who cares if they chose to do so.
I've said this before, but when you promote GW2 as the solution to the MMO problem people are going to find themselves disappointed. Anyone can educate themselves on what GW2 is and what it is not, yet a lot of folks aren't doing this, and will be showing up this beta weekend with all kinds of fantasies of how this will be the best game ever.
If you think there have been a lot of threads on Tera this weekend providing criticisms, some fair (IMO), some not, just wait until Friday. GW2 is going to be trolled to hell. Luckily, I'll be too busy in the beta, but I have a really good idea of what I'm getting with my purchase. I'm not expecting GW2 to be able to make sammiches while doing my laundry while also fixing everything I don't like about current MMOs.
At any rate, Tera is what it is, a lot of people will play it and enjoy it from months to years, same with GW2, but it's not like Highlander where there can be only one.
"Loading screens" are not "instances".
Your personal efforts to troll any game will not, in fact, impact the success or failure of said game.
Are you really trying to defend the position of calling SCAM advertizing for their product?
Scam
noun
1.
a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially formaking a quick profit; swindle.
verb (used with object)
2.
to cheat or defraud with a scam.
I don't see no fraud and no cheat in advertising your product. And again this is bordeline slandering, atm you are the only one using a fishy way to promote his ideas.
By scam I don't mean that people don't know what they're getting into. By scam I mean a swindle. The days of monthly subs are numbered. It is one thing to buy a game, it is another to buy the game again and again every single month. By this I obviously mean the monthly subs. Think about it this way, when you finance a car and only make the minimum payments every month for however long the financing is for (4-6 years), how many times over are you actually paying for the car? It is obviously legal, but its a scam, its a complete rip-off. Same with a house. You take a $200k house loan and in 30 years you end up paying over $300k! Again, its legal but the buyer is getting swindled. Here's another one, how many times have you over paid for items that are worth less than half their listed price on the streets?
My issue with monthly subs is that they are no longer (if ever) a requirement for good quality games. I believe GW2 is proof of that. By the way, I do not believe that GW2 is the answer to all the mmo gaming needs. You are right, come the beta weekend, GW2 is going to be trashed on the forums. Every game has its weakness, I just think that GW2 has a lot going for it. Time and sales will tell.
No all those example are not scam, you exactly know what you are getting into in accepting to use them. I'm nost scammed or swindled in paying a sub i pay because i choose so.
You can say you don't like sub games, and it's fine, but not that's a scam or that people "don't know what they are getting into" do you think everyone is an idiot but you?
GW2 is the proof of nothing, GW2 is not even released.
I obviously do not believe that monthly subs are illegal, in that they are illegally stealing from us in a covert manner. However, I do believe that the deceit lies with the supposed need of monthly subs in order to develop and sustain a AAA mmorpg. If you bought an article of clothing from a store in a mall for a certain amount of money and then saw it for less than half in the streets, you would say "its a scam! they ripped me off!". People still believe that monthly subs are what makes a good game and as such are willing to give away their hard earned money. I did for years playing wow.
As to advertisement, I was responding to your question about EME employess talking us into buying their game and paying monthly subs. You're really into the "slandering" word, I just call it as I see it... monthly subs are a rip-off and a (legal) scam.
Kehdar, you can know what you're getting into and still get (legally) scammed/ripped off. And no, I don't think everyone is an idiot but myself, I never said that; you shouldn't put words in my mouth. I'm an idiot like everyone else who pays/paid subs (I did for years).
GW2 is the proof that you can get a good quality game without monthly subs. True, it is not released, but there is sufficient information/videos/reviews to evidence that.
Yes, the day i'll see someone playing Tera for free while i'll have to pay for it i'll screan "IT'S SCAM!" till then it's not.
Yea is funny to call slander a false and malicious statement. While is all right calling scam a perfectly legal business practice.
Kehdar, the day you pay monthly subs in order to play Tera you should scream "its a scam!".
My statements are not false and nowhere have they ever been malicious. GW2 does not require a monthly sub, Tera does. I predict that GW2 will end up being a more succesfull game than Tera (my opinion). Though that will not settle the monthly sub debate, I think it will speak volumes. You assume that I'm just a troll and I am blindly hating on Tera. I have nothing against Tera except for their monthly subs. If you read my previous posts, you'll notice that in several ocasions I even wished Tera success in their endeavor. As to the "perfectly legal business practice", though it may be legal to over charge people for a product worth much less than what you are advertising, its still a (legal) scam and a rip-off.
Mark my words, monthly subs have their days numbered.
Yeah be careful friend, you don't want to end up losing your account defending Tera (in the Tera forums) like I did against GW2 players.
The truth of the matter is, even the most ardent hater of Tera has complimented it's combat system, Tera is true action combat in every sense of the word. GW2 is shooting itself in the foot boasting it's game as true action combat, that's going to put it right up against Tera's system.
And yes I will be playing GW2's BWE, and unfortunately for NCSoft, I'm not a paid scrub journalist who couldn't PvP his way out of a paperbag. Me and thousands of other real PvPers will put GW2's combat to the test and we're going to tear those BGs apart. Tears will be everywhere. We'll see which game really should hold the mantle of "True Action Combat". And I don't owe a thing to EME, if GW2's combat is better, then I will play GW2.
Unfortunately for ArenaNet they let a bunch of journalists overhype GW2's combat to god status, and bashing Tera's combat mechanics which is the biggest mistake they could have ever made. Everybody is going to go into GW2's BWE thinking there going to be able to dodge and react to any of a real PvPer's cheap faceroll PvP tactics, like they could have in Tera, and leave ArenaNet cleaning up the mess.
I'm looking forward to some serious payback.
Oh but you are getting me wrong, I do think that GW2 will be more successfull of Tera i have no doubt about that but this doesn't mean Tera is trash and doesn't make paying a sub a scam.
In regard to the "charge people for a product worth much less" welcome to our world, where everything is overpriced.
How much do you think it costs, to the company who build it, the mouse you are using? I bet you paid 3-4 times (in the best case) that price, still i don't see you screaming it's a scam.
wow... so much for any attempt at objectivity. What do you mean by losing your account by defending Tera?
I obviously disagree with your assessment of GW2 vs Tera, but looking forward to some serious payback? yikes! got some bitterness there buddy.