It's actually a pretty good preview and also pretty positive.
Guild Wars 2 feels less like a successor to WoW and more like a parallel evolution from a common ancestor. It’s an exciting new direction for the genre.
That's a good quote.
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Very interesting article, found it to be a good read.
Also find it extremely funny that while the article gives GW2 a lot of praise overall, the GW2 fanboys/girls cant help themselves.....
From the very beginning, he makes it clear that he doesn't think there is anything wrong with MMO's currently. <--Huge Red Flag.
And why does he keep comparing so many things to SWTOR? And he doesn't do it in a way that is unbiased (and yes thats his job). He is not responding to trolls on mmorpg forums, he is writing for PC Gamer.
So, his opinion differs to yours about the state of the whole MMO genre, and that makes him completely wrong and you completely right?
As for comparing so many things to SWTOR, which article are you reading? he compares to EQ and WoW more than he compares to SWTOR, so maybe, just maybe, you being a SWTOR hater is blinding you a bit.
Players are voiced, but you don’t have any choice about what they say: it’s not The Old Republic.
These missions operate differently to the class-locked caves and bunkers of The Old Republic.
And really, how are those two comments, even taken out of the context of the rest of what the article is saying, that bad?
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
Depends on what you think is sexy. He was asking for an option that was not what he called sexy or something that is fully clothed, well the Charr and the Asure give that option. Also the Western MMO's can't make a good looking avatar if their lives depended on it. I would much rather have only the option for "attractive" options than all "unattractive".
I totally disagree here(red bit), there are many many western MMO with great looking chars.. WoW's trolls(better if they were updated), all of GW2 models(even the doll looking humans)& GW1 chars also look great. There are more and I left out the obvious choices for WoW =P Asian models are usually sexier but then you get the bad choices like the Elin and elves in Tera.. or the humans in Lineage 2. Personally I think GW2 has made the first ever well done human.. regardless of the doll comment. They look nice and you CAN make them look more mature for female and buff for male.
This is a stawman argument. So anyone that does not want to play an anorexic supermodel in a chain bikini is railroaded into a single race?
Here is the thing, what I am talking about is not necessarily specific to GW2. In fact I think the armor types for females are pretty well done and not insanely stupid like other games (Tera). However, the writer had a valid criticism which is that should a player want to make an ugly or fat male/female character they should have the option to do so. It would not be that hard to do and seems to be left out because there is a promoted sterotype in the gaming industry that female toons must be beautiful and/or seminaked. The irony that is missed on most is that male toons do not suffer this same limitation nearly as much. Now we can throw in a race or two which by the base looks is not attractive and pawn that off as the "ugly" option, but that only detracts from the real discussion which is why more variety is not given to ALL races.
Considering the demographic of this world... why should 99% of the female toons in games be forced to look like maybe 1% of the female population on earth? Seems stupid and misogynistic.
I don't see a reasonable argument against what I am saying... I am not demanding supermodel toons be taken out... I am saying there should be more variety in all toons. Thinking the asthetic limitations currently in most games is a good thing seems backwards to me.
Sorry but you are asking for options and just because you don't like those options in no way make it a strawman argument. Sorry but your the one creating a strawman argument. You have options, as i have pointed out Norn are not anorexic. So lets take a look how many we have. So only Human and possible Sylvari are thin. So only 2 out of 5 Races are thin. Sorry if you can't handle that...
Oh and no one is saying that its a good thing. But you fail to see that there are other options. Oh and you can go on and saying that giving the options to be fat in a video game is also setting a very bad example. The world is over weight. why would we praise that type of condition?
Or perhaps you can understand thats its a game, a means of entertament. no different than moves.
This is a stawman argument. So anyone that does not want to play an anorexic supermodel in a chain bikini is railroaded into a single race?
Here is the thing, what I am talking about is not necessarily specific to GW2. In fact I think the armor types for females are pretty well done and not insanely stupid like other games (Tera). However, the writer had a valid criticism which is that should a player want to make an ugly or fat male/female character they should have the option to do so. It would not be that hard to do and seems to be left out because there is a promoted sterotype in the gaming industry that female toons must be beautiful and/or seminaked. The irony that is missed on most is that male toons do not suffer this same limitation nearly as much. Now we can throw in a race or two which by the base looks is not attractive and pawn that off as the "ugly" option, but that only detracts from the real discussion which is why more variety is not given to ALL races.
Considering the demographic of this world... why should 99% of the female toons in games be forced to look like maybe 1% of the female population on earth? Seems stupid and misogynistic.
I don't see a reasonable argument against what I am saying... I am not demanding supermodel toons be taken out... I am saying there should be more variety in all toons. Thinking the asthetic limitations currently in most games is a good thing seems backwards to me.
I wonder why we dont hear that same resentment from guys, about why thier toons always look so buff. I'm guessing, but there is probably a large portion of gamers who are not so buff.
Could it be, that they dont see the need to inform other gamers of thier looks, irl ?? Its just a game and its just an avatar, its not real life.
Depends on what you think is sexy. He was asking for an option that was not what he called sexy or something that is fully clothed, well the Charr and the Asure give that option. Also the Western MMO's can't make a good looking avatar if their lives depended on it. I would much rather have only the option for "attractive" options than all "unattractive".
I totally disagree here(red bit), there are many many western MMO with great looking chars.. WoW's trolls(better if they were updated), all of GW2 models(even the doll looking humans)& GW1 chars also look great. There are more and I left out the obvious choices for WoW =P Asian models are usually sexier but then you get the bad choices like the Elin and elves in Tera.. or the humans in Lineage 2. Personally I think GW2 has made the first ever well done human.. regardless of the doll comment. They look nice and you CAN make them look more mature for female and buff for male.
I do agree with your last statement though.
I was talking about other games than GW2. GW2 seems to be the first western mmo that has attractive models.
It is not about that kind of stuff being in the game... It is that in most games that is the ONLY choice. We are not talking about going to the beach we are talking about fighting to the death with pointy weapons where donning a bikini WILL get you killed. Asthetics is not an excuse for stupidity.
If you want to run around in a chain bikini and pretend you are protected from the cold let alone a steel blade... That should be your choice... Just like it should be a choice to actually wear meaningful armor and not look like an anorexic supermodel from a Victoria Secret ad.
I am not advocating the removal of a certain image, I am advocating the addition of other options in case someone does not want to play pedobear fodder.
And they did they are called the Charr.
So you're locked into a beast race if you want to look something other than "sexy"?
Pretty much and that is the decision you have to make, Before buying the game. Also what about the sylvari or asura? or did that conveniently slip your mind?
This is the stuff that is so annoying. People pull statements form their butt when they don't know what they are talking about.
There are tons of armor in GW2. Armor in GW2 has always been about they way you want to look. Pictures from the wiki below. It seems the professional journalist made the same mistake alot of posters do when they make statements without doing any research. The pictures below have been released by ArenaNet for over a year, possibly 2.
As you can see there are plenty of options for your armor to look they way you want.
*Edit: I don't think the article is bad, I am just taking issue with his statement that leads people to believe that sexy armor is the only option for human females. Also, why do you never see a Asura or Char in bikini armor?
Very interesting article, found it to be a good read.
Also find it extremely funny that while the article gives GW2 a lot of praise overall, the GW2 fanboys/girls cant help themselves.....
From the very beginning, he makes it clear that he doesn't think there is anything wrong with MMO's currently. <--Huge Red Flag.
And why does he keep comparing so many things to SWTOR? And he doesn't do it in a way that is unbiased (and yes thats his job). He is not responding to trolls on mmorpg forums, he is writing for PC Gamer.
So, his opinion differs to yours about the state of the whole MMO genre, and that makes him completely wrong and you completely right?
As for comparing so many things to SWTOR, which article are you reading? he compares to EQ and WoW more than he compares to SWTOR, so maybe, just maybe, you being a SWTOR hater is blinding you a bit.
Players are voiced, but you don’t have any choice about what they say: it’s not The Old Republic.
These missions operate differently to the class-locked caves and bunkers of The Old Republic.
And really, how are those two comments, even taken out of the context of the rest of what the article is saying, that bad?
the author's opinion is "wrong" because he has set himself up for less than optimal gameplay. He forced himself to choose things he didn't like.. THAT is why his "opinion" isn't worth knowing. Why listen to someone who has set themselves up to be unhappy when we want his unbiased opinion?
This is a stawman argument. So anyone that does not want to play an anorexic supermodel in a chain bikini is railroaded into a single race?
Here is the thing, what I am talking about is not necessarily specific to GW2. In fact I think the armor types for females are pretty well done and not insanely stupid like other games (Tera). However, the writer had a valid criticism which is that should a player want to make an ugly or fat male/female character they should have the option to do so. It would not be that hard to do and seems to be left out because there is a promoted sterotype in the gaming industry that female toons must be beautiful and/or seminaked. The irony that is missed on most is that male toons do not suffer this same limitation nearly as much. Now we can throw in a race or two which by the base looks is not attractive and pawn that off as the "ugly" option, but that only detracts from the real discussion which is why more variety is not given to ALL races.
Considering the demographic of this world... why should 99% of the female toons in games be forced to look like maybe 1% of the female population on earth? Seems stupid and misogynistic.
I don't see a reasonable argument against what I am saying... I am not demanding supermodel toons be taken out... I am saying there should be more variety in all toons. Thinking the asthetic limitations currently in most games is a good thing seems backwards to me.
I wonder why we dont hear that same resentment from guys, about why thier toons always look so buff. I'm guessing, but there is probably a large portion of gamers who are not so buff.
Could it be, that they dont see the need to inform other gamers of thier looks, irl ?? Its just a game and its just an avatar, its not real life.
Very good point. Sorry but there is something wrong with a person if they take thier ques on life from a video game.
So you're locked into a beast race if you want to look something other than "sexy"?
Pretty much and that is the decision you have to make, Before buying the game. Also what about the sylvari or asura? or did that conveniently slip your mind?
Asura I consider a beast race of sorts as well, and Sylvari? Definitely not my thing.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Depends on what you think is sexy. He was asking for an option that was not what he called sexy or something that is fully clothed, well the Charr and the Asure give that option. Also the Western MMO's can't make a good looking avatar if their lives depended on it. I would much rather have only the option for "attractive" options than all "unattractive".
I totally disagree here(red bit), there are many many western MMO with great looking chars.. WoW's trolls(better if they were updated), all of GW2 models(even the doll looking humans)& GW1 chars also look great. There are more and I left out the obvious choices for WoW =P Asian models are usually sexier but then you get the bad choices like the Elin and elves in Tera.. or the humans in Lineage 2. Personally I think GW2 has made the first ever well done human.. regardless of the doll comment. They look nice and you CAN make them look more mature for female and buff for male.
I do agree with your last statement though.
I was talking about other games than GW2. GW2 seems to be the first western mmo that has attractive models.
but that is aethetics.. I and many love WOW's models.. even though they have terrible graphics have refused until recently to update the older models to flow well with the new. The trolls are one of the best races in MMOs, they look so unique and well done and have great character. So not just GW2.. also GW1 looks great.. they really got the nuances of the races they were going after in the 3 campaigns. I don't think I have ever seen a better done asian model. The skin color is usually really bad unless you are blue(or green) or caucasian. GW1 I think did black and asian well for the first time in MMO history.
"Its big ideas are subtle enough to pass by anyone who isn’t attuned to the way MMOs usually operate, yet substantial enough to unsettle players invested in the status quo."
This is SO true.
Look, that aside, I'm not gonna get into whether this piece is 'valid' or not, because... well, I don't care much anyhow. GW2 will have lovers and haters, because new ideas and unusual distinctive designs do. At least this guy seems to have a balance in his views. Nothing he says 'offends' me.
It's an ok opinion article.
At least we ARE getting balanced opinion pieces on the game before launch and not the gushing blanket shill hype peices other games recently have had that have seperated a lot of peopl;e from money they might not have spent. It says a lot about how ANet are apporaching the promotion of the game.
IE let the press have access and then write what the damn they want to.
Very interesting article, found it to be a good read.
Also find it extremely funny that while the article gives GW2 a lot of praise overall, the GW2 fanboys/girls cant help themselves.....
From the very beginning, he makes it clear that he doesn't think there is anything wrong with MMO's currently. <--Huge Red Flag.
And why does he keep comparing so many things to SWTOR? And he doesn't do it in a way that is unbiased (and yes thats his job). He is not responding to trolls on mmorpg forums, he is writing for PC Gamer.
So, his opinion differs to yours about the state of the whole MMO genre, and that makes him completely wrong and you completely right?
As for comparing so many things to SWTOR, which article are you reading? he compares to EQ and WoW more than he compares to SWTOR, so maybe, just maybe, you being a SWTOR hater is blinding you a bit.
Players are voiced, but you don’t have any choice about what they say: it’s not The Old Republic.
These missions operate differently to the class-locked caves and bunkers of The Old Republic.
And really, how are those two comments, even taken out of the context of the rest of what the article is saying, that bad?
the author's opinion is "wrong" because he has set himself up for less than optimal gameplay. He forced himself to choose things he didn't like.. THAT is why his "opinion" isn't worth knowing. Why listen to someone who has set themselves up to be unhappy when we want his unbiased opinion?
It is his opinion, and therefore cannot really be wrong. He is not stating his opinion as FACT, and even goes so far as to say it is about personal preference.
As for the article, you have alrready stated you did not read all of it, as you could not get past his choice of character and starting area, but what you are not seeing, and what you are blinding your self to, is the fact that even though he was playing a character and starting area that he was not fully happy with looks wise, he gives a more than positive preview in the article.
So by all means, carry on bitching about the article, maybe if you do that enough, people will think the article is completely wrong, and GW2 just not that good....
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
So you're locked into a beast race if you want to look something other than "sexy"?
Pretty much and that is the decision you have to make, Before buying the game. Also what about the sylvari or asura? or did that conveniently slip your mind?
Asura I consider a beast race of sorts as well, and Sylvari? Definitely not my thing.
well don't you think that is more of a personal issue. If you hate the norn, even though the male can be hideous and you hate the sylvari for some random reason well, don't you think you are being a little unreasonable?
So you're locked into a beast race if you want to look something other than "sexy"?
Pretty much and that is the decision you have to make, Before buying the game. Also what about the sylvari or asura? or did that conveniently slip your mind?
Asura I consider a beast race of sorts as well, and Sylvari? Definitely not my thing.
I dont know why you consider Asura a beast race.. they are way more humanoid.. pretty much their only beastlike character is perhaps their mouths. Whether Syvari is your thing or not wasn't the argument you said "locked into a beast race" and silver reminded you that 2 other races were available.
I wonder why we dont hear that same resentment from guys, about why thier toons always look so buff. I'm guessing, but there is probably a large portion of gamers who are not so buff.
Could it be, that they dont see the need to inform other gamers of thier looks, irl ?? Its just a game and its just an avatar, its not real life.
There is something you seem to be missing, this is an RPG. One of the staples of that is character relation (which has nothing to do with RL). If I can't relate a character to what I have in mind for that character, something is lost from the RPG. What really makes no sense here is that they're using Aion's character generation for the most part. I don't see why they'd remove so many options it offered in it's original form.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
So you're locked into a beast race if you want to look something other than "sexy"?
Pretty much and that is the decision you have to make, Before buying the game. Also what about the sylvari or asura? or did that conveniently slip your mind?
Asura I consider a beast race of sorts as well, and Sylvari? Definitely not my thing.
well don't you think that is more of a personal issue. If you hate the norn, even though the male can be hideous and you hate the sylvari for some random reason well, don't you think you are being a little unreasonable?
What other issue would I comment about if not a personal one? You mistake my original point though, it wasn't me who made it out that there was only one option, I responded to someone who did with an equally redundant point.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I dont know why you consider Asura a beast race.. they are way more humanoid.. pretty much their only beastlike character is perhaps their mouths. Whether Syvari is your thing or not wasn't the argument you said "locked into a beast race" and silver reminded you that 2 other races were available.
It looks like a creature to me, humanoidish or not, it looks like a mogwai shaved down like a dwelf.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Sorry but you are asking for options and just because you don't like those options in no way make it a strawman argument. Sorry but your the one creating a strawman argument. You have options, as i have pointed out Norn are not anorexic. So lets take a look how many we have. So only Human and possible Sylvari are thin. So only 2 out of 5 Races are thin. Sorry if you can't handle that...
Oh and no one is saying that its a good thing. But you fail to see that there are other options. Oh and you can go on and saying that giving the options to be fat in a video game is also setting a very bad example. The world is over weight. why would we praise that type of condition?
Or perhaps you can understand thats its a game, a means of entertament. no different than moves.
It is a strawman argument because it is an answer that has nothing to do with the question. The question being is why human oriented races are limited to having skinny attractive female options. There is simply no need for that limitation and it would be simple model work to add more. Pretending that because there are other races that makes everything ok is in fact a strawman argument.
I do understand that it is a game, however I don't understand the fanatical defense to play the game one handed by male players. There are an almost unlimited number of ways to get your kicks outside of the game. However, I will make sure to wave at all the people dancing naked in Lion's Arch begging for gold and items. That really adds to the game atmosphere right?
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I liked the article and appreciated the author's perspective based on a couple days of play. Are their some misconceptions in the piece? Sure, but with a game as different as GW2 I fully expect it will take most players a while before they start to grasp some of the more subtle elements of game design and adapt to the new paradigm.
The first couple days produced a positive experience that seem to have left the author wanting more, which is exactly what the game needs to do for people in the early days of their GW2 adventure. It's not difficult for players of other MMOs to hop in and play the game, but it will take almost everyone time to really learn the ins and outs. Even those of us who are particularly well informed will have to make adjustments during actual play, unlearning old MMO hanits and reconciling the reality of the game to the game we have imagined in our heads.
I don't see the point of being highly critical of a review that "gets" most of what the game design implies, while still showing us the subjective experience of someone who is a vet of the genre coming new to a game that bucks the status quo on a number of various grounds.
It's a preview, not a review. A review better be based on more than just a couple days of play and hopefully will represent a solid mix of objective and subjective opinion based on enough time experiencing the game to really appreciate how the game changes the genre. A preview is going to be a lot more subjective and the author goes out of their way to provide caveats where they are due.
It's a fair preview of the game and I fail to see why anyone would be upset by it.
I actually disagree. He admits that his problems with the fantasy-esque art direction is subjective. He just doesn't like how all female humans are gorgeous. I think its a fair point to be honest.
He then goes on, and shows his reactions to each aspect of the game. Just because he mentions SWTOR and played it, does not make him a bad person. In SWTOR, story is the biggest aspect of the game, and hes just drawing some comparisons between the two. That doesn't make his article unreadable.
Most of his points are valid, albeit a little subjective. He like's almost everything, and comes down to the fact that he feels GW2 is a natural evolution of WoW. (The only thing he dislikes in the article is the model-like appearance of humans, and the lack of lasting social interaction.) I don't think the article is bad by any means, and it is like the OP stated, quite interesting. You can never have enough constructive criticism, and I like how he balances his ideas with examples and not just opinions.
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I can see the ad campaign now, it makes perfect sense. Ugly women are notorious for selling products well.
Seriously its just a stupid criticism with almost no real meaning. Its desparate and shallow analysis and singifies to me that they are incapable of a serious look at the game.
Doesn't mean the game is good. Its just the typical brain dump meaningless drivel I expect from most journalists.
Sorry but you are asking for options and just because you don't like those options in no way make it a strawman argument. Sorry but your the one creating a strawman argument. You have options, as i have pointed out Norn are not anorexic. So lets take a look how many we have. So only Human and possible Sylvari are thin. So only 2 out of 5 Races are thin. Sorry if you can't handle that...
Oh and no one is saying that its a good thing. But you fail to see that there are other options. Oh and you can go on and saying that giving the options to be fat in a video game is also setting a very bad example. The world is over weight. why would we praise that type of condition?
Or perhaps you can understand thats its a game, a means of entertament. no different than moves.
It is a strawman argument because it is an answer that has nothing to do with the question. The question being is why human oriented races are limited to having skinny attractive female options. There is simply no need for that limitation and it would be simple model work to add more. Pretending that because there are other races that makes everything ok is in fact a strawman argument.
I do understand that it is a game, however I don't understand the fanatical defense to play the game one handed by male players. There are an almost unlimited number of ways to get your kicks outside of the game. However, I will make sure to wave at all the people dancing naked in Lion's Arch begging for gold and items. That really adds to the game atmosphere right?
Ok how about the fact that having a Fat person running, spinning and jumping around fighting makes no since in anyway. That video you showed, There is a reason he is riding a horse and not fighting.
I liked the article and appreciated the author's perspective based on a couple days of play. Are their some misconceptions in the piece? Sure, but with a game as different as GW2 I fully expect it will take most players a while before they start to grasp some of the more subtle elements of game design and adapt to the new paradigm.
The first couple days produced a positive experience that seem to have left the author wanting more, which is exactly what the game needs to do for people in the early days of their GW2 adventure. It's not difficult for players of other MMOs to hop in and play the game, but it will take almost everyone time to really learn the ins and outs. Even those of us who are particularly well informed will have to make adjustments during actual play, unlearning old MMO hanits and reconciling the reality of the game to the game we have imagined in our heads.
I don't see the point of being highly critical of a review that "gets" most of what the game design implies, while still showing us the subjective experience of someone who is a vet of the genre coming new to a game that bucks the status quo on a number of various grounds.
It's a preview, not a review. A review better be based on more than just a couple days of play and hopefully will represent a solid mix of objective and subjective opinion based on enough time experiencing the game to really appreciate how the game changes the genre. A preview is going to be a lot more subjective and the author goes out of their way to provide caveats where they are due.
It's a fair preview of the game and I fail to see why anyone would be upset by it.
because it is biased and set up to be irritated through gameplay... he starts out choosing what everyone else did then chooses a racial choice he hates, and a sex he hates.. and then insults all clothies and chooses warrior. Why should I read this article and not be annoyed at his biased/bad start?
I liked the article and appreciated the author's perspective based on a couple days of play. Are their some misconceptions in the piece? Sure, but with a game as different as GW2 I fully expect it will take most players a while before they start to grasp some of the more subtle elements of game design and adapt to the new paradigm.
The first couple days produced a positive experience that seem to have left the author wanting more, which is exactly what the game needs to do for people in the early days of their GW2 adventure. It's not difficult for players of other MMOs to hop in and play the game, but it will take almost everyone time to really learn the ins and outs. Even those of us who are particularly well informed will have to make adjustments during actual play, unlearning old MMO hanits and reconciling the reality of the game to the game we have imagined in our heads.
I don't see the point of being highly critical of a review that "gets" most of what the game design implies, while still showing us the subjective experience of someone who is a vet of the genre coming new to a game that bucks the status quo on a number of various grounds.
It's a preview, not a review. A review better be based on more than just a couple days of play and hopefully will represent a solid mix of objective and subjective opinion based on enough time experiencing the game to really appreciate how the game changes the genre. A preview is going to be a lot more subjective and the author goes out of their way to provide caveats where they are due.
It's a fair preview of the game and I fail to see why anyone would be upset by it.
This right here is a good reason to stop reading that article.
I avoid spellcasters entirely because there’s only so much Renaissance-themed fetish gear I can handle.
I wonder why we dont hear that same resentment from guys, about why thier toons always look so buff. I'm guessing, but there is probably a large portion of gamers who are not so buff.
Could it be, that they dont see the need to inform other gamers of thier looks, irl ?? Its just a game and its just an avatar, its not real life.
There is something you seem to be missing, this is an RPG. One of the staples of that is character relation (which has nothing to do with RL). If I can't relate a character to what I have in mind for that character, something is lost from the RPG. What really makes no sense here is that they're using Aion's character generation for the most part. I don't see why they'd remove so many options it offered in it's original form.
Taking options away, I can see that, then you can make yourself fat or thin just like in Aion. But the fact remains, it is still a game, and should not be equated to real life, no dev should be responsible for that.
If that becomes a gamebreaker, it is no fault of the dev, its you bringing your personal life, into a video game.
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It's actually a pretty good preview and also pretty positive.
Guild Wars 2 feels less like a successor to WoW and more like a parallel evolution from a common ancestor. It’s an exciting new direction for the genre.
That's a good quote.
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So, his opinion differs to yours about the state of the whole MMO genre, and that makes him completely wrong and you completely right?
As for comparing so many things to SWTOR, which article are you reading? he compares to EQ and WoW more than he compares to SWTOR, so maybe, just maybe, you being a SWTOR hater is blinding you a bit.
Players are voiced, but you don’t have any choice about what they say: it’s not The Old Republic.
These missions operate differently to the class-locked caves and bunkers of The Old Republic.
And really, how are those two comments, even taken out of the context of the rest of what the article is saying, that bad?
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
I totally disagree here(red bit), there are many many western MMO with great looking chars.. WoW's trolls(better if they were updated), all of GW2 models(even the doll looking humans)& GW1 chars also look great. There are more and I left out the obvious choices for WoW =P Asian models are usually sexier but then you get the bad choices like the Elin and elves in Tera.. or the humans in Lineage 2. Personally I think GW2 has made the first ever well done human.. regardless of the doll comment. They look nice and you CAN make them look more mature for female and buff for male.
I do agree with your last statement though.
Sorry but you are asking for options and just because you don't like those options in no way make it a strawman argument. Sorry but your the one creating a strawman argument. You have options, as i have pointed out Norn are not anorexic. So lets take a look how many we have. So only Human and possible Sylvari are thin. So only 2 out of 5 Races are thin. Sorry if you can't handle that...
Oh and no one is saying that its a good thing. But you fail to see that there are other options. Oh and you can go on and saying that giving the options to be fat in a video game is also setting a very bad example. The world is over weight. why would we praise that type of condition?
Or perhaps you can understand thats its a game, a means of entertament. no different than moves.
I wonder why we dont hear that same resentment from guys, about why thier toons always look so buff. I'm guessing, but there is probably a large portion of gamers who are not so buff.
Could it be, that they dont see the need to inform other gamers of thier looks, irl ?? Its just a game and its just an avatar, its not real life.
I was talking about other games than GW2. GW2 seems to be the first western mmo that has attractive models.
This is the stuff that is so annoying. People pull statements form their butt when they don't know what they are talking about.
There are tons of armor in GW2. Armor in GW2 has always been about they way you want to look. Pictures from the wiki below. It seems the professional journalist made the same mistake alot of posters do when they make statements without doing any research. The pictures below have been released by ArenaNet for over a year, possibly 2.
As you can see there are plenty of options for your armor to look they way you want.
*Edit: I don't think the article is bad, I am just taking issue with his statement that leads people to believe that sexy armor is the only option for human females. Also, why do you never see a Asura or Char in bikini armor?
the author's opinion is "wrong" because he has set himself up for less than optimal gameplay. He forced himself to choose things he didn't like.. THAT is why his "opinion" isn't worth knowing. Why listen to someone who has set themselves up to be unhappy when we want his unbiased opinion?
Very good point. Sorry but there is something wrong with a person if they take thier ques on life from a video game.
Asura I consider a beast race of sorts as well, and Sylvari? Definitely not my thing.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
but that is aethetics.. I and many love WOW's models.. even though they have terrible graphics have refused until recently to update the older models to flow well with the new. The trolls are one of the best races in MMOs, they look so unique and well done and have great character. So not just GW2.. also GW1 looks great.. they really got the nuances of the races they were going after in the 3 campaigns. I don't think I have ever seen a better done asian model. The skin color is usually really bad unless you are blue(or green) or caucasian. GW1 I think did black and asian well for the first time in MMO history.
"Its big ideas are subtle enough to pass by anyone who isn’t attuned to the way MMOs usually operate, yet substantial enough to unsettle players invested in the status quo."
This is SO true.
Look, that aside, I'm not gonna get into whether this piece is 'valid' or not, because... well, I don't care much anyhow. GW2 will have lovers and haters, because new ideas and unusual distinctive designs do. At least this guy seems to have a balance in his views. Nothing he says 'offends' me.
It's an ok opinion article.
At least we ARE getting balanced opinion pieces on the game before launch and not the gushing blanket shill hype peices other games recently have had that have seperated a lot of peopl;e from money they might not have spent. It says a lot about how ANet are apporaching the promotion of the game.
IE let the press have access and then write what the damn they want to.
This is a good thing.
It is his opinion, and therefore cannot really be wrong. He is not stating his opinion as FACT, and even goes so far as to say it is about personal preference.
As for the article, you have alrready stated you did not read all of it, as you could not get past his choice of character and starting area, but what you are not seeing, and what you are blinding your self to, is the fact that even though he was playing a character and starting area that he was not fully happy with looks wise, he gives a more than positive preview in the article.
So by all means, carry on bitching about the article, maybe if you do that enough, people will think the article is completely wrong, and GW2 just not that good....
A creative person is motivated by the desire to achieve, not the desire to beat others.
well don't you think that is more of a personal issue. If you hate the norn, even though the male can be hideous and you hate the sylvari for some random reason well, don't you think you are being a little unreasonable?
I dont know why you consider Asura a beast race.. they are way more humanoid.. pretty much their only beastlike character is perhaps their mouths. Whether Syvari is your thing or not wasn't the argument you said "locked into a beast race" and silver reminded you that 2 other races were available.
There is something you seem to be missing, this is an RPG. One of the staples of that is character relation (which has nothing to do with RL). If I can't relate a character to what I have in mind for that character, something is lost from the RPG. What really makes no sense here is that they're using Aion's character generation for the most part. I don't see why they'd remove so many options it offered in it's original form.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
What other issue would I comment about if not a personal one? You mistake my original point though, it wasn't me who made it out that there was only one option, I responded to someone who did with an equally redundant point.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It looks like a creature to me, humanoidish or not, it looks like a mogwai shaved down like a dwelf.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
It is a strawman argument because it is an answer that has nothing to do with the question. The question being is why human oriented races are limited to having skinny attractive female options. There is simply no need for that limitation and it would be simple model work to add more. Pretending that because there are other races that makes everything ok is in fact a strawman argument.
I do understand that it is a game, however I don't understand the fanatical defense to play the game one handed by male players. There are an almost unlimited number of ways to get your kicks outside of the game. However, I will make sure to wave at all the people dancing naked in Lion's Arch begging for gold and items. That really adds to the game atmosphere right?
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
I liked the article and appreciated the author's perspective based on a couple days of play. Are their some misconceptions in the piece? Sure, but with a game as different as GW2 I fully expect it will take most players a while before they start to grasp some of the more subtle elements of game design and adapt to the new paradigm.
The first couple days produced a positive experience that seem to have left the author wanting more, which is exactly what the game needs to do for people in the early days of their GW2 adventure. It's not difficult for players of other MMOs to hop in and play the game, but it will take almost everyone time to really learn the ins and outs. Even those of us who are particularly well informed will have to make adjustments during actual play, unlearning old MMO hanits and reconciling the reality of the game to the game we have imagined in our heads.
I don't see the point of being highly critical of a review that "gets" most of what the game design implies, while still showing us the subjective experience of someone who is a vet of the genre coming new to a game that bucks the status quo on a number of various grounds.
It's a preview, not a review. A review better be based on more than just a couple days of play and hopefully will represent a solid mix of objective and subjective opinion based on enough time experiencing the game to really appreciate how the game changes the genre. A preview is going to be a lot more subjective and the author goes out of their way to provide caveats where they are due.
It's a fair preview of the game and I fail to see why anyone would be upset by it.
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Seriously its just a stupid criticism with almost no real meaning. Its desparate and shallow analysis and singifies to me that they are incapable of a serious look at the game.
Doesn't mean the game is good. Its just the typical brain dump meaningless drivel I expect from most journalists.
Ok how about the fact that having a Fat person running, spinning and jumping around fighting makes no since in anyway. That video you showed, There is a reason he is riding a horse and not fighting.
because it is biased and set up to be irritated through gameplay... he starts out choosing what everyone else did then chooses a racial choice he hates, and a sex he hates.. and then insults all clothies and chooses warrior. Why should I read this article and not be annoyed at his biased/bad start?
This right here is a good reason to stop reading that article.
I avoid spellcasters entirely because there’s only so much Renaissance-themed fetish gear I can handle.
Taking options away, I can see that, then you can make yourself fat or thin just like in Aion. But the fact remains, it is still a game, and should not be equated to real life, no dev should be responsible for that.
If that becomes a gamebreaker, it is no fault of the dev, its you bringing your personal life, into a video game.