Originally posted by Vodalus Well, im not certain. Would it be ok to jsut use the processor block for now if that is all my funding permits, and expand my system later? Or would having jsut the processor block defeat the purpose of liquid altogether? I am planning on installing an XFX GeForce 6600 PCIe card if that is at all relvant._____________________________ Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari?
You can just cool the processor block for right now and then add on as you need to. These are the parts you will need to start off with:
CPU Block Radiator Pump Fan Resevoir Tubing Fittings Coolant Artic Silver Thermal Compound
I would recommend the MAZE 4 Intro Kit at DangerDen.com for a basic water cooling system to get started with.
edit: Asmodeus, without knowing about the rest of your system. I really don't know what your sound problem is. The only thing I can think of if you have the right connections is a possible sound driver issue.
Originally posted by fatalblitzz zepee, you can also find that chip on www.pricewatch.com
I used pricewatch to find that dealer. Best dealer offering a good price on that P3 1.0ghz cpu. Fatal has the right idea though. If you can't find it at newegg or zipzoomfly, look on pricewatch and you'll probably find a dealer that has what your looking for. Bizrate is good too.
Heres a question to get this thread going again. Is the 6600 (not the gt) a good card for newer games like half life 2? I've seen it at about $120. Is this a good "bang for the buck" card?
Originally posted by Saigonshakes Heres a question to get this thread going again. Is the 6600 (not the gt) a good card for newer games like half life 2? I've seen it at about $120. Is this a good "bang for the buck" card?
Absolutely! The 6600 card has been named the Ti4200 of todays graphic midrange cards. THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK!
Well, I got a new question: As I foresee not beeing easy to find that p3 1Ghz cpu, I thouht of maybe getting a low P4, like 1.7Ghz or so, and buying a new mobo.... bu then, how much would a decent enough mobo capable of supporting a low P4 cpu cost? Cuz mobos arent cheap O_o.... Could I get the cpu+mobo for like 200 or less?
the 6600 would also run especially well on doom 3 saigonshakes i myself having a Geforce 4400, get more fps in half-life2 than on doom3 running 1024 x 756 on hl2 and only 800 x 600 in d3.
Originally posted by Zepee Well, I got a new question: As I foresee not beeing easy to find that p3 1Ghz cpu, I thouht of maybe getting a low P4, like 1.7Ghz or so, and buying a new mobo.... bu then, how much would a decent enough mobo capable of supporting a low P4 cpu cost? Cuz mobos arent cheap O_o.... Could I get the cpu+mobo for like 200 or less? Thx --------------------------------------------------------------------- Played- Runescape, Conquer Tested- EQ, RYL, Freeworld
Hi, the best thing you can buy for 200 bux is at Fry's or outpost.com there is a 3.00ghz p4 w/ mobo combo for 179.99! Can't beat that.
OMG, can we delete this damn post already? Its not only hogging up the "Most active thread" slot, but a thread about fancy computer deals dosent belong in a forum about MMORPGs. If I wanted to hear about computer deals all i gotta do is open up my hotmail account and read through the 600+ spam mails about deals.
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
for some people, it proves useful. Spam mails by the way aren't that useful because they are not user feedbacked and don't explain anything. I myself enjoy helping/being helped in this thread
Yea sorry, ignore my last post, I have always know about this thread, ever since I started coming to this site, but have never accualy checked the thread out, I thought it was about somthing else. But after reading throught it a bit just a few minutes ago, I realize I was wrong heh.
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
I started this thread for a reason. To help people at the site, and slow down the clutter of the numerous amounts of threads dealing with computers that were popping up. It has proven successful thus far.
Originally posted by Zerocyde Yea sorry, ignore my last post, I have always know about this thread, ever since I started coming to this site, but have never accualy checked the thread out, I thought it was about somthing else. But after reading throught it a bit just a few minutes ago, I realize I was wrong heh.
Heh, incase you missed this... ^ ^ ^
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
quick question, does anyone here have norton systemworks 2005? because whenver i startup my computer, i get this message saying "must install from msi" and i hit "OK" then it pops up another 2 times. I can't seem to find a way to get rid of this or find the source of the problem. Any suggestions would be helpful
Originally posted by Saigonshakes Heres a question to get this thread going again. Is the 6600 (not the gt) a good card for newer games like half life 2? I've seen it at about $120. Is this a good "bang for the buck" card?
Yes, nVidia's Geforce 6600 is a good card for the price. Even better still is the 6600GT although it is a card around the $200 to $250 price range depending on what brand you get. Both cards perform very well, the best within their price range. The main differences between a 6600 and a 6600GT is the memory where both cards use 128mb of 128bit bandwidth memory, the 6600 uses DDR1 and the GT uses DDR3. The core on the 6600 operates at 300mhz stock frequency while the GT operates at 500mhz stock frequency for the pci-e one and 450mhz for the agp one, but some manufacturers offer cards with cores already oc'ed to a higher clocked frequency.
The nice thing about the new 6600 series cards from nVidia is that most people don't have to upgrade their power supply with these cards as they don't draw nearly the wattage that the 6800 series cards do or ATI's X700, X800 and X850 series cards do.
I am upgrading from my 9800Pro to a 6600GT. If you have an ati radeon 9600XT or a nVidia Geforce FX5900 card and older and are looking to upgrade for less than $150, the nVidia Geforce is hard to beat. If you can spend up to between $200 and $250, the 6600GT is the wtg.
Cool thanks for the info Rabid. I have a 6600gt and it kills. My buddy was going to get the gt as well but came up just a little short on cash. I told him to pick up the regular 6600 and I was making sure I was giving him good advice. Thanks again.
No one wants their computer to be loud, but in order to keep components running at safe temperatures, cooling fans can wind up making the system sound like a blow dryer. In a busy office environment some noise may go unnoticed, but as computers find their way into more rooms of the home, near silence is essential. A computer sitting in the living room for use with a home theater system has to be quiet so that it doesn't interfere with the enjoyment of music or movies, for example.
Complete systems and high end components are available to combat computer noise, but this Tip will look at a few areas to quiet existing systems on a minimal budget.
1. Cooling Fans
The bulk of all noise in a computer system is going to come from the cooling fans mounted on the case and from any heat generating components such as the processor. Cases generally employ 80mm fans with ball bearings to keep cool air flowing. Two steps to reduce noise include increasing the fan size and choosing a fan with fluid or sleeve bearings. If a 120mm fan can be installed where the 80mm fan presently resides, a noise reduction can be achieved because the larger fan can move the same amount of air at a lower rotational speed. In general, the slower a fan moves the less noise it will make.
The ball bearings on many fans are a source of vibration which in turn create noise. Selecting a fan with fluid or sleeve bearings will greatly reduce the noise created, which is generally a good thing, except for one instance. Ball bearing fans can be counted on to get even noisier just before failure, letting you know when replacement is necessary. Fluid or sleeve bearings will just fail without such a warning which could jeopardize other system components. One other caveat to sleeve-bearing fans vs. ball-bearing fans is that sleeve-bearing fans generally tend to fail sooner than ball-bearing fans.
A quality processor cooler is essential to keep a high powered system running cool, but it isn't always necessary to run the fan installed at full speed. Some coolers, such as the Cooler Master Aero 4, include a simple fan speed dial that can be mounted either in the back or the front of the case for convenient adjustment. For those bold enough to run plumbing inside a computer, water cooling kits such as the Cooler Master Aquagate can take cooling performance and quiet operation to a whole new level.
Many cooling fans will actually list the decibel level of the noise that they generate. The lower the number, the better. In practical terms, below 20 decibels (db) would be super quiet; 20 to 30 decibels, somewhat quiet; 30 to 40 decibels, somewhat noisy; and over 40 decibels, just plain noisy.
2. Cases
The design of a case is a key factor in the system's cooling performance and noise generation. A case with ample ventilation is required to keep the components cool, and a few things can be done to achieve this without adding to the noise level. "Of most interest is the availability of multiple fan mounting locations in a case, as well as the open area provided for the fans to move air." (not sure why there are quotation marks around this sentence.)
Taking a look at the back of this Gladiator ATX Window Case shows that the user has the flexibility to mount an 80mm fan, or opt for the previously described benefits of a 120mm fan. But, the perforations provided for the air to pass through are somewhat restrictive, which could add to the noise level as the wind whistles through the small openings. This is nothing that someone handy with a Dremel couldn't remedy, but for those who don't want to cut up their case, compare the Z-Alien ATX Window Case to the Gladiator. There is much more open area for a 120mm fan to pass the air without restriction. Along the same lines, but applied to other areas of the case, the X Blade ATX Window Case has a fairly open design on both the front grill and the side panel for 80mm fans to draw in cool air.
Experimenting with the size, speed and placement of case fans can lead to a setup with adequate cooling and low noise production that might not be expected. It is possible for some cases to be cooled well with a single 120mm exhaust fan while leaving the other various fan locations empty. The noise will obviously be less with fewer fans running and if the temperatures are acceptable there is no need to use all of the fans just because they are there.
3. Fan Controllers
Fan controllers are available in numerous configurations, but they all serve the same function to allow a fan to run at something other than full speed. Just reducing a fan's speed by 5-10% can have a noticeable impact on noise, but zero impact on cooling performance.
Some fan controllers operate automatically, using a thermal sensor to vary the speed of the fan in direct proportion to the temperature sensed. This type is convenient as it requires no user interaction but eliminates any possibility of custom control.
Manual speed controllers put all of the power in the user's hands, generally with a dial that adjusts the fan's speed by varying the resistance on the line powering it. The Cooler Master Cool Drive 4 is primarily a hard drive cooler, but it also serves the function of a four channel manual fan speed controller. From one digital control panel, up to four temperatures can be monitored, and the corresponding fans can be monitored and controlled to maintain a healthy balance between noise and temperature.
4. Power Supplies
The typical computer power supply features two 80mm fans to keep it cool, which will obviously also generate some noise. Fanless power supplies are now available that generate zero noise, but none have found their way to the shelves at Geeks.com. These fanless power supplies don't follow the guidelines of typical design and there are other ways to quiet a power supply without removing the fans all together. The MGE Vigor 450W Power Supply incorporates two ideas already discussed in other sections in order to reduce noise from the power supply. It features a larger 120mm fan to move more air with less speed and a fan speed control knob to allow the user to reduce the speed even more, if they desire. Some other companies, such as Clever Power (which Computer Geeks sells from time to time), specialize in making super quiet power supplies with a variable fan that automatically increases and decreases the spin of the fan depending on the system's power draw.
5. Noise / Vibration Isolators
Products are available to reduce the vibration caused by system components, as well as to insulate the case to keep the noise from escaping. Examples of some of these isolation products can be applied to many areas of a computer system and may drastically reduce the overall noise, no matter what components are installed. For the bottom of the computer case, rubber feet are available to replace the hard plastic ones generally found. Silicone gaskets can be installed between a power supply or case fan and the case to reduce the transmission of vibrations and the amplification of noise. If you want to keep the noise inside your case, there is even adhesive backed sound insulation that can be applied to the inside walls of a computer case.
Final Words
The number of components and accessories available to quiet a computer is overwhelming and growing daily as people become fed up with the noise from their vacuum cleaner I mean computer! Silencing a computer can be a costly endeavor, but taking a few relatively inexpensive steps can have a drastic impact on the noise produced by the common computer system. Before starting on any sound reduction upgrades, analyzing a system to pinpoint the areas in need of the most attention will help determine the best course of action and the best way to spend any money.
umm where'd you find that article from? i'd like to read more articles that detailed murt none the less a good post. can you get me the link to that LED lit power supply? and how many watts does it run
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why dont you just get a neat amd 3200+ 64 proc? spares you the search :P
Would it be justice for holy to conquer evil?
To do that he would probably have to build a whole new pc with new mainboard, new ram, new psu....
Your looking for an Intel P3 1.0ghz cpu. It is a socket370 cpu with 133mhz fsb and 256kb L2 cache. You can get it for $37.95 at PartsPC.com..
You can just cool the processor block for right now and then add on as you need to. These are the parts you will need to start off with:
CPU Block
Radiator
Pump
Fan
Resevoir
Tubing
Fittings
Coolant
Artic Silver Thermal Compound
I would recommend the MAZE 4 Intro Kit at DangerDen.com for a basic water cooling system to get started with.
edit: Asmodeus, without knowing about the rest of your system. I really don't know what your sound problem is. The only thing I can think of if you have the right connections is a possible sound driver issue.
zepee, you can also find that chip on www.pricewatch.com
Heres a question to get this thread going again. Is the 6600 (not the gt) a good card for newer games like half life 2? I've seen it at about $120. Is this a good "bang for the buck" card?
Well, I got a new question:
As I foresee not beeing easy to find that p3 1Ghz cpu, I thouht of maybe getting a low P4, like 1.7Ghz or so, and buying a new mobo.... bu then, how much would a decent enough mobo capable of supporting a low P4 cpu cost? Cuz mobos arent cheap O_o.... Could I get the cpu+mobo for like 200 or less?
Thx
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the 6600 would also run especially well on doom 3 saigonshakes
i myself having a Geforce 4400, get more fps in half-life2 than on doom3 running 1024 x 756 on hl2 and only 800 x 600 in d3.
OMG, can we delete this damn post already? Its not only hogging up the "Most active thread" slot, but a thread about fancy computer deals dosent belong in a forum about MMORPGs. If I wanted to hear about computer deals all i gotta do is open up my hotmail account and read through the 600+ spam mails about deals.
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
for some people, it proves useful. Spam mails by the way aren't that useful because they are not user feedbacked and don't explain anything. I myself enjoy helping/being helped in this thread
Yea sorry, ignore my last post, I have always know about this thread, ever since I started coming to this site, but have never accualy checked the thread out, I thought it was about somthing else. But after reading throught it a bit just a few minutes ago, I realize I was wrong heh.
"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
I started this thread for a reason. To help people at the site, and slow down the clutter of the numerous amounts of threads dealing with computers that were popping up. It has proven successful thus far.
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"It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde
quick question, does anyone here have norton systemworks 2005? because whenver i startup my computer, i get this message saying "must install from msi" and i hit "OK" then it pops up another 2 times. I can't seem to find a way to get rid of this or find the source of the problem. Any suggestions would be helpful
did you pay for that one?
if not, then just switch to avg, they just released a new free edition.
I had just scanned with the older free editition a few days ago, and found nothing
the new one found two trojan horses...
so I can safely say that it's not a crap scanner.
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Yes, nVidia's Geforce 6600 is a good card for the price. Even better still is the 6600GT although it is a card around the $200 to $250 price range depending on what brand you get. Both cards perform very well, the best within their price range. The main differences between a 6600 and a 6600GT is the memory where both cards use 128mb of 128bit bandwidth memory, the 6600 uses DDR1 and the GT uses DDR3. The core on the 6600 operates at 300mhz stock frequency while the GT operates at 500mhz stock frequency for the pci-e one and 450mhz for the agp one, but some manufacturers offer cards with cores already oc'ed to a higher clocked frequency.
The nice thing about the new 6600 series cards from nVidia is that most people don't have to upgrade their power supply with these cards as they don't draw nearly the wattage that the 6800 series cards do or ATI's X700, X800 and X850 series cards do.
I am upgrading from my 9800Pro to a 6600GT. If you have an ati radeon 9600XT or a nVidia Geforce FX5900 card and older and are looking to upgrade for less than $150, the nVidia Geforce is hard to beat. If you can spend up to between $200 and $250, the 6600GT is the wtg.
Cool thanks for the info Rabid. I have a 6600gt and it kills. My buddy was going to get the gt as well but came up just a little short on cash. I told him to pick up the regular 6600 and I was making sure I was giving him good advice. Thanks again.
No one wants their computer to be loud, but in order to keep components running at safe temperatures, cooling fans can wind up making the system sound like a blow dryer. In a busy office environment some noise may go unnoticed, but as computers find their way into more rooms of the home, near silence is essential. A computer sitting in the living room for use with a home theater system has to be quiet so that it doesn't interfere with the enjoyment of music or movies, for example.
Complete systems and high end components are available to combat computer noise, but this Tip will look at a few areas to quiet existing systems on a minimal budget.
1. Cooling Fans
The ball bearings on many fans are a source of vibration which in turn create noise. Selecting a fan with fluid or sleeve bearings will greatly reduce the noise created, which is generally a good thing, except for one instance. Ball bearing fans can be counted on to get even noisier just before failure, letting you know when replacement is necessary. Fluid or sleeve bearings will just fail without such a warning which could jeopardize other system components. One other caveat to sleeve-bearing fans vs. ball-bearing fans is that sleeve-bearing fans generally tend to fail sooner than ball-bearing fans.
A quality processor cooler is essential to keep a high powered system running cool, but it isn't always necessary to run the fan installed at full speed. Some coolers, such as the
Cooler Master Aero 4, include a simple fan speed dial that can be mounted either in the back or the front of the case for convenient adjustment. For those bold enough to run plumbing inside a computer, water cooling kits such as the Cooler Master Aquagate can take cooling performance and quiet operation to a whole new level.
Many cooling fans will actually list the decibel level of the noise that they generate. The lower the number, the better. In practical terms, below 20 decibels (db) would be super quiet; 20 to 30 decibels, somewhat quiet; 30 to 40 decibels, somewhat noisy; and over 40 decibels, just plain noisy.
2. Cases
The design of a case is a key factor in the system's cooling performance and noise generation. A case with ample ventilation is required to keep the components cool, and a few things can be done to achieve this without adding to the noise level. "Of most interest is the availability of multiple fan mounting locations in a case, as well as the open area provided for the fans to move air." (not sure why there are quotation marks around this sentence.)
Experimenting with the size, speed and placement of case fans can lead to a setup with adequate cooling and low noise production that might not be expected. It is possible for some cases to be cooled well with a single 120mm exhaust fan while leaving the other various fan locations empty. The noise will obviously be less with fewer fans running and if the temperatures are acceptable there is no need to use all of the fans just because they are there.
3. Fan Controllers
Fan controllers are available in numerous configurations, but they all serve the same function to allow a fan to run at something other than full speed. Just reducing a fan's speed by 5-10% can have a noticeable impact on noise, but zero impact on cooling performance.
Some fan controllers operate automatically, using a thermal sensor to vary the speed of the fan in direct proportion to the temperature sensed. This type is convenient as it requires no user interaction but eliminates any possibility of custom control.
4. Power Supplies
The typical computer power supply features two 80mm fans to keep it cool, which will obviously also generate some noise. Fanless power supplies are now available that generate zero noise, but none have found their way to the shelves at Geeks.com.
These fanless power supplies don't follow the guidelines of typical design and there are other ways to quiet a power supply without removing the fans all together. The MGE Vigor 450W Power Supply incorporates two ideas already discussed in other sections in order to reduce noise from the power supply. It features a larger 120mm fan to move more air with less speed and a fan speed control knob to allow the user to reduce the speed even more, if they desire. Some other companies, such as Clever Power (which Computer Geeks sells from time to time), specialize in making super quiet power supplies with a variable fan that automatically increases and decreases the spin of the fan depending on the system's power draw.
5. Noise / Vibration Isolators
Products are available to reduce the vibration caused by system components, as well as to insulate the case to keep the noise from escaping. Examples of some of these isolation products can be applied to many areas of a computer system and may drastically reduce the overall noise, no matter what components are installed. For the bottom of the computer case, rubber feet are available to replace the hard plastic ones generally found. Silicone gaskets can be installed between a power supply or case fan and the case to reduce the transmission of vibrations and the amplification of noise. If you want to keep the noise inside your case, there is even adhesive backed sound insulation that can be applied to the inside walls of a computer case.
Final Words
The number of components and accessories available to quiet a computer is overwhelming and growing daily as people become fed up with the noise from their vacuum cleaner I mean computer! Silencing a computer can be a costly endeavor, but taking a few relatively inexpensive steps can have a drastic impact on the noise produced by the common computer system. Before starting on any sound reduction upgrades, analyzing a system to pinpoint the areas in need of the most attention will help determine the best course of action and the best way to spend any money.
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umm where'd you find that article from? i'd like to read more articles that detailed murt
none the less a good post. can you get me the link to that LED lit power supply? and how many watts does it run