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Guild War 2 Might Cost you more than you think

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  • sapheroithsapheroith Member Posts: 116

    Originally posted by Crunchy221

    Originally posted by Charlizzard


    Originally posted by Sorrow

    There is no doubt that you will need to spend money on GW2, but as long as it is $15 a month or less is there really a problem competing with the other mmos out there?

    No doubt? Can you list one item from the cash shop in the last beta that I will need to buy to enjoy GW2?

    What about when they start selling expansion skills in the cash shop? Will you be paying box prices for additional areas and instances as well ?  The whole point of GW1 b2p model was frequent expansions that offerd new areas and skills, i cant imagine them dropping this for GW2

    What about stop predicating things thats not gona happen?

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  • fiontarfiontar Member UncommonPosts: 3,682

    Originally posted by Crunchy221

    Originally posted by Charlizzard


    Originally posted by Sorrow

    There is no doubt that you will need to spend money on GW2, but as long as it is $15 a month or less is there really a problem competing with the other mmos out there?

    No doubt? Can you list one item from the cash shop in the last beta that I will need to buy to enjoy GW2?

    What about when they start selling expansion skills in the cash shop? Will you be paying box prices for additional areas and instances as well ?  The whole point of GW1 b2p model was frequent expansions that offerd new areas and skills, i cant imagine them dropping this for GW2

    Of course there will be expansions to the game. Since when is this a bad thing? You still don't need an expansion to enjoy the game that comes with the initial box price! Also, there will be a live content team pushing free content after release. They have already said that new dynamic events accross the game will be one thing they will be adding. Some will be on top of DEs already in game and others will be rotated in and out with existing DEs, in order to keep the game feeling fresh for long time players.

    No one is saying there won't ever be anything you will want to buy beyond the initial game purchase, but GW2 crams more content into the initial release than just about any MMORPG in the history of the genre. That much of that content is also dynamic and the game has a system for leveling you down for lower level content  just extends the replayability of the plethora of content that is in the game.

    This isn't some bare bones MMO that you have to fill in with optional content you need to purchase. The game is massive!

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  • p_c_sousap_c_sousa Member Posts: 620

    Originally posted by Kalmarth

    Time to pay up or get grinding, what did people think they were going to get a free game or something!

     

    what??? grind???  you play beta? i reach lvl22 and barely leave the 1-15 zone and 0 grind...now i would have the others 1-15 start zones.

    you only grind in this game if you want, nothing in cash shop wil do anything if you want grind. 

  • ScarlyngScarlyng Member UncommonPosts: 159

    Originally posted by Crunchy221

    Originally posted by Charlizzard


    Originally posted by Sorrow

    There is no doubt that you will need to spend money on GW2, but as long as it is $15 a month or less is there really a problem competing with the other mmos out there?

    No doubt? Can you list one item from the cash shop in the last beta that I will need to buy to enjoy GW2?

    What about when they start selling expansion skills in the cash shop? Will you be paying box prices for additional areas and instances as well ?  The whole point of GW1 b2p model was frequent expansions that offerd new areas and skills, i cant imagine them dropping this for GW2

    Some sub games have expansions you need to pay for as well.

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  • KalmarthKalmarth Member Posts: 443

    Originally posted by p_c_sousa

    Originally posted by Kalmarth

    Time to pay up or get grinding, what did people think they were going to get a free game or something!

     

    what??? grind???  you play beta? i reach lvl22 and barely leave the 1-15 zone and 0 grind...now i would have the others 1-15 start zones.

    you only grind in this game if you want, nothing in cash shop wil do anything if you want grind. 

    Felt like grind to me, game seemed just like more of the same, but each to there own.

     

    GW2 cured my cancer

  • p_c_sousap_c_sousa Member Posts: 620

    Originally posted by Kalmarth

    Originally posted by p_c_sousa


    Originally posted by Kalmarth

    Time to pay up or get grinding, what did people think they were going to get a free game or something!

     

    what??? grind???  you play beta? i reach lvl22 and barely leave the 1-15 zone and 0 grind...now i would have the others 1-15 start zones.

    you only grind in this game if you want, nothing in cash shop wil do anything if you want grind. 

    Felt like grind to me, game seemed just like more of the same, but each to there own.

     

    GW2 cured my cancer

    so for you any MMORPG and RPG are very grind ? i mean if you say GW2 is grind and not fun is better you leave both MMORPG and RPG games. 

    im still a bit wow to see someone say GW2 pve is grind and more of the same. 

  • WarmakerWarmaker Member UncommonPosts: 2,246

    Originally posted by Kalmarth

    Time to pay up or get grinding, what did people think they were going to get a free game or something!

     

    LOL, whatever happened to the merits of B2P?  Did it go out the window by the same development team that made it such a big deal with GW1?

    The original lure of B2P was basically this:  Pay the initial box purchase / download, then you were set for life with the game.

    Too good to be true I guess, and the original vision of B2P dies at the same place of its birth, GW1.

    "I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)

  • heartlessheartless Member UncommonPosts: 4,993

    Originally posted by Warmaker

    Originally posted by Kalmarth

    Time to pay up or get grinding, what did people think they were going to get a free game or something!

     

    LOL, whatever happened to the merits of B2P?  Did it go out the window by the same development team that made it such a big deal with GW1?

    The original lure of B2P was basically this:  Pay the initial box purchase / download, then you were set for life with the game.

    Too good to be true I guess, and the original vision of B2P dies at the same place of its birth, GW1.

    The B2P is still there or have you not realized that everything in cash shop is completely optional? Just because something is in the cash shop, it does not mean that you need to buy it.

    GW1 was the same way. The game is B2P and there is an optional cash shop.

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  • p_c_sousap_c_sousa Member Posts: 620

    Originally posted by heartless

    Originally posted by Warmaker


    Originally posted by Kalmarth

    Time to pay up or get grinding, what did people think they were going to get a free game or something!

     

    LOL, whatever happened to the merits of B2P?  Did it go out the window by the same development team that made it such a big deal with GW1?

    The original lure of B2P was basically this:  Pay the initial box purchase / download, then you were set for life with the game.

    Too good to be true I guess, and the original vision of B2P dies at the same place of its birth, GW1.

    The B2P is still there or have you not realized that everything in cash shop is completely optional? Just because something is in the cash shop, it does not mean that you need to buy it.

    GW1 was the same way. The game is B2P and there is an optional cash shop.

    b2p = buy to play. i bought the game and can play all game without restriction, this is what a B2P game is. GW2 have also a cash shop that have stuff you can buy if you like.

    you will not have any advantage against other players, so isnt a buy to win game. 

  • RyukanRyukan Member UncommonPosts: 858

    This game will cost exactly what I alraedy paid for in the preorder. Anything spent in the game store is purely by choice. I have neither seen nor heard about anything in the cash shop that HAS to be purchased to play or progress.

    Frankly if I do choose to spend money in the cash/gem shop, iI bet I can spend less in the cash shop on an average monthly basis than I do on a monthly sub for a game such as WoW or SWTOR. And that is what matters to me.

  • SoulOfRazielSoulOfRaziel Member UncommonPosts: 405

    Originally posted by Ryukan

    This game will cost exactly what I alraedy paid for in the preorder. Anything spent in the game store is purely by choice. I have neither seen nor heard about anything in the cash shop that HAS to be purchased to play or progress.

    Frankly if I do choose to spend money in the cash/gem shop, iI bet I can spend less in the cash shop on an average monthly basis than I do on a monthly sub for a game such as WoW or SWTOR. And that is what matters to me.

    AGREED. but it looks like there are some people that just cant understand that and troll....

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  • RizelStarRizelStar Member UncommonPosts: 2,773

    I just thought about the OP is right

    Guys remember to take tax into consideration.

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  • cloud8521cloud8521 Member Posts: 878

    Originally posted by RizelStar

    I just thought about the OP is right

    Guys remember to take tax into consideration.

    ... these is no tax,  when i even bought this game (Anet store) i payed $0 on tax

  • AvatarBladeAvatarBlade Member UncommonPosts: 757

    Originally posted by cloud8521

    Originally posted by RizelStar

    I just thought about the OP is right

    Guys remember to take tax into consideration.

    ... these is no tax,  when i even bought this game (Anet store) i payed $0 on tax

    There is something that might considered tax. The fact that it costs more for someone from EU than from someone in the US, but it's the same with all games.

  • cloud8521cloud8521 Member Posts: 878

    Originally posted by AvatarBlade

    Originally posted by cloud8521


    Originally posted by RizelStar

    I just thought about the OP is right

    Guys remember to take tax into consideration.

    ... these is no tax,  when i even bought this game (Anet store) i payed $0 on tax

    There is something that might considered tax. The fact that it costs more for someone from EU than from someone in the US, but it's the same with all games.

    the question is  does that cash shop have this problem?

  • AvatarBladeAvatarBlade Member UncommonPosts: 757

    Originally posted by cloud8521

    Originally posted by AvatarBlade


    Originally posted by cloud8521


    Originally posted by RizelStar

    I just thought about the OP is right

    Guys remember to take tax into consideration.

    ... these is no tax,  when i even bought this game (Anet store) i payed $0 on tax

    There is something that might considered tax. The fact that it costs more for someone from EU than from someone in the US, but it's the same with all games.

    the question is  does that cash shop have this problem?

    That's actually a good question. If 100 gems in the US are 10 dollars and in the EU 10 euro, and the auction house communicates with both EU and US servers, it could be considered that US players have an advantage in the CS over EU ones. If AH is divided in EU and US servers, then it's not a problem.

  • MeowheadMeowhead Member UncommonPosts: 3,716

    Originally posted by Charlizzard

    No doubt? Can you list one item from the cash shop in the last beta that I will need to buy to enjoy GW2?

    The pirate outfit.

    Have you worn the pirate outfit?  Apparently you have not.

    Trust me.  Your GW2 enjoyment will double with the pirate outfit.

    GW2 isn't P2W, it's P2GMLADS.  (Pay 2 giggle madly like a demented schoolgirl)  That pirate outfit is some fun stuff. :(  I don't care if you think you've been enjoying GW2 before, it's nothing compared to the unfettered glee the pirate outfit brings.

  • p_c_sousap_c_sousa Member Posts: 620

    Originally posted by Meowhead

    Originally posted by Charlizzard

    No doubt? Can you list one item from the cash shop in the last beta that I will need to buy to enjoy GW2?

    The pirate outfit.

    Have you worn the pirate outfit?  Apparently you have not.

    Trust me.  Your GW2 enjoyment will double with the pirate outfit.

    GW2 isn't P2W, it's P2GMLADS.  (Pay 2 giggle madly like a demented schoolgirl)  That pirate outfit is some fun stuff. :(  I don't care if you think you've been enjoying GW2 before, it's nothing compared to the unfettered glee the pirate outfit brings.

    hope you cant use that pirate outfit on WvW...

  • sidhaethesidhaethe Member Posts: 861

    Originally posted by p_c_sousa

    Originally posted by Meowhead


    Originally posted by Charlizzard

    No doubt? Can you list one item from the cash shop in the last beta that I will need to buy to enjoy GW2?

    The pirate outfit.

    Have you worn the pirate outfit?  Apparently you have not.

    Trust me.  Your GW2 enjoyment will double with the pirate outfit.

    GW2 isn't P2W, it's P2GMLADS.  (Pay 2 giggle madly like a demented schoolgirl)  That pirate outfit is some fun stuff. :(  I don't care if you think you've been enjoying GW2 before, it's nothing compared to the unfettered glee the pirate outfit brings.

    hope you cant use that pirate outfit on WvW...

    No worries, it won't work in PvP or dungeons.

     

    ;)

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  • heartlessheartless Member UncommonPosts: 4,993

    Originally posted by p_c_sousa

    Originally posted by Meowhead


    Originally posted by Charlizzard

    No doubt? Can you list one item from the cash shop in the last beta that I will need to buy to enjoy GW2?

    The pirate outfit.

    Have you worn the pirate outfit?  Apparently you have not.

    Trust me.  Your GW2 enjoyment will double with the pirate outfit.

    GW2 isn't P2W, it's P2GMLADS.  (Pay 2 giggle madly like a demented schoolgirl)  That pirate outfit is some fun stuff. :(  I don't care if you think you've been enjoying GW2 before, it's nothing compared to the unfettered glee the pirate outfit brings.

    hope you cant use that pirate outfit on WvW...

    If you're a thief, you get access to a bandit/pirate armor once you hit tier 2 with you glory. Actually, I'm not sure if it's only available to thieves or for all medium armor classes.

    You can see it in this video.

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  • IzkimarIzkimar Member UncommonPosts: 568

    Originally posted by Atlan99

    Interesting post by Valatar on the Guild Wars 2 Beta Forums. He breaks down some of the hidden costs of GW2.

     

    https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/game/gem/The-Gem-Store-s-Grim-Math-or-Why-GW2-may-cost-220/page/1#post115334

     

     

    Valatar

    Welcome to Guild Wars 2, new player! We’re the fun new game where you don’t pay a monthly fee to play! But you do realize of course that we need money to keep up our servers and update the game, so there are a few modest cash store items to help cover our costs. But it’s probably nothing that you actually need, so don’t pay any attention to it!

    How do you like the classes? They’re all great fun, aren’t they? We bet you’d like to play them all! But not so fast, you only have five character slots. If you want the other three, you’ll just need to make a one-time payment in the cash shop to unlock them. It’s only 800 gems per slot, so for only 2400 gems you’ll be on your way!

    What’s that, adventurer? Your bags are full? Why shucks, have we got a deal for you! You have seven bag slots, but we locked three of them so you’d have room to grow! For an insignificant 400 gems, you can unlock one bag slot on one character. Of course, if you have eight characters, that’s twenty-four slots, but hey, what’s a little 9600 gems between friends for the luxury of being able to carry things?

    Oh, you wanted to actually be able to store things? Like, in a bank? Well other MMOGs make you spend nasty gold to have more than 30 bank slots, but not us! You can just buy them with gems! We’ve helped you out by making the sky the limit and locked a whopping seven bank expansions at 600 gems each, so you can feel extra accomplished when you pull out your credit card to pay for the 4200 gems for that.

    tl;dr:

    At the current listed rates, you have to pay 16,200 gems to have eight characters with unlocked inventory and bank slots in GW2. With the assumption that the conversion rate is $1=100 gems, that’s $162 dollars above and beyond the box cost of the game. Edit: The actual gem price is believed to be $5=400 gems, which makes the cost $202.50 for those 16200 gems. A year’s subscription to WoW is $156 if purchased in six-month blocks, making it ironically cheaper to play a year of WoW than a year of GW2.

    Bear in mind that I’m ignoring vanity items, convenience items, and keys in this tally. Those are all entirely optional, and a player can take or leave those without any particular penalty. I’m focusing entirely on the one universal constant of any MMOG: storage. It’s the thing that is indisputably vital for every player, that nobody can afford to be without, and everybody absolutely requires. Anyone who doesn’t purchase bag and bank space is going to be regretting it, deeply and often. I don’t consider it optional, and doubt that anyone with any length of experience in online games would disagree with me on that.

    There needs to be an alternative option to gems for purchasing in-game storage. There’s no telling what the gold value of gems will be after the game’s release, but if the beta weekend’s average around 20 silver per gem holds true, it will cost 120 gold per bank expansion and 80 gold per bag slot, which are fairly ridiculous amounts. Edit: My numbers for the silver price for gems was incorrect, see below.

    Alternatively, making the bag slots an account-wide purchase rather than a per-character purchase would save the eight-character player 8400 gems, making the grand total a much more reasonable sum.

    Disclaimer:

    All of this hinges on beta test gem prices for cash shop items, and involves an assumption on the cash price for gems. Either of those two things may change before release. My goal in bringing this to peoples’ attention is not to incite panicked nerd rage, but to make people aware of the potential cash cost in GW2’s gem store model of business, and the fact that it may be no less expensive than other games with monthly fees.

    I'm sorry OP, but you are completely wrong.  Do you realize that ANet is acting as the bar setter?  They will have their own baseline conversion rate based on the market, so say you can convert X Gold for X amount of gems with the shop itself, no player will be able to sell his gems for more gold then that baseline.  Why would a person give more gold for less gems to a person when they can get more from ANet, unless they aren't informed.  Basically this ends up favoring the player who actually plays and gets gold, because the people selling their gems will always have to undercut the baseline ANet conversion price no matter what.  Thus, all of these things can be free no matter what, and you can get them all with gold.  What other game can you spend in game money to get character slots, server transfers, etc..?? 

  • MeowheadMeowhead Member UncommonPosts: 3,716

    Originally posted by p_c_sousa

    hope you cant use that pirate outfit on WvW...

    I hope you can!

    Since it is a set of town clothing, and automatically deactivates when you're in combat, and none of the abilities are anything other than emotes.

    *thinks a bit*  Oh, wait, no, it's probably better you can't use it in WvW.  I just remembered you can summon a cannon.

    Sure, it doesn't do any damage, but it might scare somebody really badly if you bluff with it!

  • AvatarBladeAvatarBlade Member UncommonPosts: 757

    Originally posted by AvatarBlade

    Originally posted by cloud8521


    Originally posted by AvatarBlade


    Originally posted by cloud8521


    Originally posted by RizelStar

    I just thought about the OP is right

    Guys remember to take tax into consideration.

    ... these is no tax,  when i even bought this game (Anet store) i payed $0 on tax

    There is something that might considered tax. The fact that it costs more for someone from EU than from someone in the US, but it's the same with all games.

    the question is  does that cash shop have this problem?

    That's actually a good question. If 100 gems in the US are 10 dollars and in the EU 10 euro, and the auction house communicates with both EU and US servers, it could be considered that US players have an advantage in the CS over EU ones. If AH is divided in EU and US servers, then it's not a problem.

    Don't like quoting myself, by I am curious about this. Anyone know how this will work or it hasn't been revealed yet?

  • The_KorriganThe_Korrigan Member RarePosts: 3,460

    Originally posted by The_Korrigan

    Originally posted by Atlan99



    What mmorpg player in the world would think that they have 1 bank tab with 30 slots total for all their characters?

    Which is a lie (or an omission by ignorance), because the bank also has a tab where you can stock unlimited crafting materials right from your character's inventory in the wilds.

    Yeah, I'm quoting my own post because I'd like an answer to this. The person I'm quoting seems to conveniently ignore that point... I wonder why.

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  • Atlan99Atlan99 Member UncommonPosts: 1,332

    Originally posted by The_Korrigan

     

    Yeah, I'm quoting my own post because I'd like an answer to this. The person I'm quoting seems to conveniently ignore that point... I wonder why.

    Your power of necromancy is surging.

    I should have added the crafting materials tab. It did slip my mind. Feel better?

    I would say most people who love alts will choose to purchase extra bank tabs. If those people don't know going in they will have to pay for additional bank space. Then they may pay more than they thought they would when they originally bought the game.

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