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Having played WAR and TOR, I am not impressed with the engine nor its capabilities. You sound just as self righteous as the ones you disparage. We have plenty of solid evidence of the features and direction of the game, thanks to scanned pages of the Infogamer article, the link even present on this site no less. Maybe you need to catch up with the rest of us before you make yourself look really silly.
I would wager there are probably less than 10 people on these boards that are qualified to say which game engines are truly good or bad. Everyone else (myself included) is an armchair developer and can only guess...
Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.
You do realize that TOR was in development around the same time as this TES game. In fact, TES started back in 2007, while TOR started almost a year later in 2008. Do some research before you insert foot in mouth.
WAR did not use Hero engine...
A game engine is just a tool to convey what the developers want to create. If TES have been in development since 2007, which is pretty much around the same time as when TOR got started, then their version of the engine should be very close to what Bioware had. From what has been said, it seems like they are gonna use the engine in the same capacity as Bioware did, which means they will not use it to it's full capacity.
My experiences with the games that use that engine are all the evidence I need to know I don't care for it. I don't need to be a developer to know that any more than I need to be an artist to appreciate art. What an arrogant statement to make.
Swtor was announced in 2008, it was not start being developed then.
Yes it did. The developers said so in interviews that they were using a heavily modified Hero engine.
I bet you cant find that quote then cause what they said is that they used the Gamebryo engine.
Yes, so that would put them around the same time as TES, back in 2007, since most companies make these announcements a year after the project has started and has its footing. So, that to me, would indicate they both used the same version of the Hero engine, don't you think.
Watch some youtube videos on the hero engine and you will see that it isn't a bad engine at all. Bioware just limited themselves with it.
I don't think you know what arrogant means if you are calling me arrogant for that statement... oh well.
Enter a whole new realm of challenge and adventure.
Sorry but your all being the ignorants ones here. (In referance to the people who dont understand the difference between a "Doom" post and a post thats actually saying it like it is, going by the facts from previous experiances with the hero engine and its previous failures)
-As others have stated since the game started development in 2007 then it would utilize the same engine as TOR. Yes, im sure theres been upgrades im not dening that, but theres no miracle patch for a bad engine.
-To those saying you cant judge the hero engine yet, why the hell not? Lets see, the game that they were developing WITH THE ENGINE, never saw release, since then weve seen TOR, a 100 million dollar game, and yet people are saying they didnt use the engine to its fullest potential? Give me a break guys. And then all people can say after that is, "O theres other games in development with the engine right now that are going to be amazing". Well until those games actuallysurface, and are at the very least DECENT, you cant say the engine is good. Plus if all these hero engine games are so damn amazing why are none of you talking about them?
-The main fact here is that they are going the EXACT same route as TOR, Voice acting included, even look at the screenshots it doesnt look gritty or raw like and ES game should, it looks like....a HERO ENGINE game.
Bad pick for a engine, sorry but anyone denying that isnt a Elder Scrolls fan. And yes I can say that because the core of what the elder scrolls is about is a Mature, Skill-based action fantasy adventure, non of which will be provided by this terrible engine.
Yesterday I was excited but today I saw the screenshots and that ruined it for me. I'm so sick of the cartoony graphic style and from elder scrolls of all games? What were they thinking?
This is my problem, if you don't create your own engine for a game you are essentially copying and modifiying what other people are doing.
Hero engine gave me 15-35 fps with gtx 580 sli in swtor pvp.
I dont want another hero engine mmo fail.
Thanks a lot bethesda but with hero engine i ll just pass.
Hail to Gw2
http://www.overclock.net/t/1252768/agb-elder-scrolls-online-screenshots-leak
it looks cool (graphicly) but i have a feeling it will feel like TOR...
but it looks nothing like TES, art style is why honestly. too clean too cartoony.
i always thought of TES as a photorealistic game (well as close as the tech could get in early games)
Different devs utilize an engine differently, Mortal Online uses UE3 and it's probably the buggiest MMO in existence yet Tera uses the same and I believe most will agree that it runs like butter even many will do not like the actual game.
The art does not look a lot like the TES games I'll give you that but then its probably their decision because it's an online game and they have to limit a few things.
My AMD 6 core gtx 560 ti was getting on average of 50 fps.
Hero engine ran great on my computer.
The "Youtube Pro": Someone who watches video's on said subject, and obviously has a full understanding of what is being said about such subject.
I cannot beilieve for the life of me people actually defending the Hero Engine. It is not an engine that a major game company should be using to be making an MMO with a high profile title like TES. Nor is it an engine that a true TES fan should be ok with. Shame on you fans for defending that POS engine. I said the exact same thing soon as I heard TOR was using it, and that was well before that ship set sail.
The Hero engine is a GREAT engine for indie companys to get their foot in the door with an MMO game.
Theres no bigger TES fan than me but this hero engine is red flag #1, and the sh^t I read in the magazine article is red flag #2. I guess if someone likes cheesy linear over done themeparks they should be happy, they will get another 90 day'er. I hope to god I am wrong, god do I ever hope I am wrong, I have never wanted to be more wrong, but I am a realist, not a fanboy nor a troll, I vowed to never let my fan status cloud my judgment again. All I can say is I am far from impressed from what I have seen.
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
No, they did not use the hero engine. They used a heavily modified version of their Dark Age of Camelot engine, which was released well before hero engine had even been thought of.
Edit: as the poster above said, the engine for WAR is the Gamebryo engine.
Edit: Removed the unneccesary comment, wasnt aimed at anyone specifically, sorry. - Unreal engine is the prime example for being an engine that is used in horrible piece of shit games where nothing seem to work and also on some of the best games ever created where wine and honey rains from sky and chocolate grows in the bushes.
I dont like hero engine because of my experiences with it, but I have no idea if Zenimax will have those same problems with the engine if any at all like what TOR has (or had in some cases) for example. I highly doubt there's much in common with TOR hero engine and ESO hero engine, other than the name, only time will tell.
Everyone here realizes that the Hero Engine is more than just the client renderer, right? I mean, its also the server-side tech, as well as a collaborative development platform. As such, its greatest strength is its collaborative development and neither the client or server technology.
So only an idiot would say "I wont play a game with X type of graphics"?
Please answer, I would love to hear what you have to say on this subject.