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  • RophezRophez Member Posts: 46

    Couple facts:

    Yes both companies started their games around the same time.

    What we know:  Bioware heavily modded the engine and almost immediately stopped updating it from the developer.  Bioware's game played like crap when there were a lot of people on the screen.  This may or MAY NOT have anything to do with the Hero Engine and may have everything to do with how Bioware coded their game.

    What we don't know:  Did ZOS keep their Hero Engine license up to date?  Does ZOS have smarter coders than Bioware?

     

    My thoughts:

    ZOS planned their game around an endgame involving hundreds of players battling for the emperial throne.  ZOS has smart (seriously 1 confirmed genius) coders in charge of their PVP - if the engine wasn't performing well, the would have scrapped it YEARS ago.

    Have a little faith and wait til you see some gameplay footage before you nerdrage out and boycott the game for this reason.

  • PyrateLVPyrateLV Member CommonPosts: 1,096

    Originally posted by Rophez   ZOS has smart (seriously 1 confirmed genius) coders in charge of their PVP

     

    Who is this "genius" you speak of?

    Firor? Hardly. He's worked on 1 major MMO (DAOC) and he was in charge of its crappy expansion (ToA). yeah, great genius in that.

    What else has he done after Mythic? Oh, he created a Game Consulting firm?

    Ultra Mega Games? LOL! Sounds like something Eric Cartman would think of

    I wonder what games he "consulted" on?

     

    How much of a 'smart genius" are you if when you annonce your intentions to make another MMO, you start off with trying to copy the "Mainstream"?

     

    Enjoy leveling up your Scrolls in PvE so you can effectively PvP

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  • RophezRophez Member Posts: 46

    Originally posted by PyrateLV

    Originally posted by Rophez   ZOS has smart (seriously 1 confirmed genius) coders in charge of their PVP

     

    Who is this "genius" you speak of?

    Firor? Hardly. He's worked on 1 major MMO (DAOC) and he was in charge of its crappy expansion (ToA). yeah, great genius in that.

    What else has he done after Mythic? Oh, he created a Game Consulting firm?

    Ultra Mega Games? LOL! Sounds like something Eric Cartman would think of

    I wonder what games he "consulted" on?

     

    How much of a 'smart genius" are you if when you annonce your intentions to make another MMO, you start off with trying to copy the "Mainstream"?

     

    Enjoy leveling up your Scrolls in PvE so you can effectively PvP

    You really don't know what you are talking about.  Firor was a designer up to TOA, but on TOA he only took a producer credit.  Nice try, though.

    Actually I was talking about Brian Axelson  - he's the kid, yes kid, who designed the style and combat system for DAOC.  That's right - the system that had interrupts, style chains, reactionaries, and positionals that no other game since has come up with anything nearly so smooth, visceral and rewarding.  The system was way ahead of its time.

    Anyway, I'm 90% sure Firor stole him from Mythic and brought him over to ZOS with him.

  • McGamerMcGamer Member UncommonPosts: 1,073

    Originally posted by jiveturkey12

    I said yesterday that no matter how terrible the game looked i would play simply for being an Elder Scrolls game. That was before I found out that the game was running on the Hero Engine, the same terrible engine that TOR is running on. I dont know who in their right mind decided that the hero engine was gods gift to MMO's but its just aweful. Its one of those typical all fluff and no substance engines and its defiently one of the main reasons TOR failed and will be another reason why ESO fails. 

     

    Seriously this is one of the worst things that could have ever happened to ESO, and it just shows that even bethesda can fall victim to some sly marketing by a poor engine development company that couldnt even realease their OWN mmo with the damn engine. Seriously what are all these people thinking? Couldnt they just make their own in house engine? It all goes down to greed I guess, but the with HERO engine being so expensive to purchase and use is it really worth it in the end for these companys?

     

    Thank Talos (SADFACE) for Guild Wars 2...

    There are way too many gamers that are misinformaed about the use of the Hero engine in SWTOR. People really need to do some research before jumping to conclusions.

    The reason is that if any one of you read the interviews with BW about the Hero engine, you will see that BW basically gutted it from day one and the engine they currently use is nothing like the true engine. The problems SWTOR has is the fault of BW and BW alone. 

  • SoulOfRazielSoulOfRaziel Member UncommonPosts: 405

    Originally posted by jiveturkey12

    I said yesterday that no matter how terrible the game looked i would play simply for being an Elder Scrolls game. That was before I found out that the game was running on the Hero Engine, the same terrible engine that TOR is running on. I dont know who in their right mind decided that the hero engine was gods gift to MMO's but its just aweful. Its one of those typical all fluff and no substance engines and its defiently one of the main reasons TOR failed and will be another reason why ESO fails. 

     

    Seriously this is one of the worst things that could have ever happened to ESO, and it just shows that even bethesda can fall victim to some sly marketing by a poor engine development company that couldnt even realease their OWN mmo with the damn engine. Seriously what are all these people thinking? Couldnt they just make their own in house engine? It all goes down to greed I guess, but the with HERO engine being so expensive to purchase and use is it really worth it in the end for these companys?

     

    Thank Talos (SADFACE) for Guild Wars 2...

    I dont know what engine is the best but i really was hoping that TES online had nothing like TOR

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  • darker70darker70 Member UncommonPosts: 804

    Originally posted by Vorthanion

    Originally posted by NaughtyP

    I would wager there are probably less than 10 people on these boards that are qualified to say which game engines are truly good or bad. Everyone else (myself included) is an armchair developer and can only guess...

    My experiences with the games that use that engine are all the evidence I need to know I don't care for it.  I don't need to be a developer to know that any more than I need to be an artist to appreciate art.  What an arrogant statement to make.

    Well if you take that stance then why not do some proper research and considering only the bastardised engine in SWTOR,and Faxion have really fully launched with the engine then do this go to the Repopulation website find the thread  regarding Hero or join the community.

    The devs here use the proper engine and  work with Idea Fabriik  and will no doubt answer and give relevant information to any questions,and if you think this is a themepark game prepare for a suprise the successor to SWG-pre NGE is on it's way  all because of the versatillty of the Hero Engine.

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  • MMOExposedMMOExposed Member RarePosts: 7,400

    Originally posted by castamir11

    Dear God, say it ain't so.  Don't they see what limitations this engine has shown in SWTOR?  The magic of TES is the exploration...You can't have some generic themepark setting for TESO.

    I believe Hero that SWTOR was running was a uncompleted version, from what I heard. And Bioware had other add ons built on top of the engine.

     

    the current engine is updated.

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  • fadisfadis Member Posts: 469

    HERO engine = this game will blow.

    Maybe it's all part of the 'lowering of expectations.'

     

     

     

     

     

  • dubyahitedubyahite Member UncommonPosts: 2,483
    You lost me at TOR.

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  • jiveturkey12jiveturkey12 Member CommonPosts: 1,262

    Originally posted by dubyahite

    You lost me at TOR.

    Im sorry I even had to mentioned that god aweful game! Its such a shame the ESO devs had to make such a poor descion and make the game so similar to it... The engine seems like it could be a bit more felxable but again the graphic style and UI look the same for every game released with it, and that alone is enough for me to hate the engine and ESO. Everything else is just adding moon sugar to the shitstorm.

  • VhalnVhaln Member Posts: 3,159

    Originally posted by Gdemami

     



    Originally posted by Vhaln



    Well, then I guess you could say we're in agreement, that neither of us know for sure.  I just have some doubts about it.  Sure, it might have been all Bioware's fault, but that just seems unlikely to me.


     

    We are not in agreement.

    You claim something you cannot even remotely back up, I don't. Burden of proof is on your shoulders.

     

    Hah, sorry for misunderstanding you then.  I'm not really interested in proving anything, so much as just exchanging opinions.  I don't really get this whole 'forum pvp' thing people keeping going on about, but have fun with that image

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  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342

    Originally posted by Vhaln

    Hah, sorry for misunderstanding you then.  I'm not really interested in proving anything, so much as just exchanging opinions.  I don't really get this whole 'forum pvp' thing people keeping going on about, but have fun with that 

    Forum PVP? Dunno, but I always assumed when 2 adults are discussing a topic, they are capable to provide reasoning to support their opinions...

  • alexstucalexstuc Member Posts: 1

    Originally posted by MMOExposed

    Originally posted by castamir11

    Dear God, say it ain't so.  Don't they see what limitations this engine has shown in SWTOR?  The magic of TES is the exploration...You can't have some generic themepark setting for TESO.

    I believe Hero that SWTOR was running was a uncompleted version, from what I heard. And Bioware had other add ons built on top of the engine.

     

    the current engine is updated.

     


    And u think bioware refused to accept any support and updates from engine developers?


     


    Just look at the screens:

     

    Same engine, same visuals. Definitely TESO needs different technology and artstyle.

  • gilgamesh42gilgamesh42 Member Posts: 300

    hero engine runs like crap thats fo sho

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  • ClassicstarClassicstar Member UncommonPosts: 2,697

    Screenshots tell that ain't Elder Scroll game it more resembles SWTOR and thats not good at all.

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  • DurrayDurray Member UncommonPosts: 182

    Well thats me out, never touching that piece of trash engine again!

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  • ElikalElikal Member UncommonPosts: 7,912

    Originally posted by revy66

    The ignorance of some posters...the Pathfinder devs have already said that the build Swtor uses is VERY outdated and they even purchased the engine when it was in a very early stage and not even publicly for sale at the time. But I guess one example is enough to write it off for some people..

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  • MothanosMothanos Member UncommonPosts: 1,910

    No amount of updates can save the HERO engine.

    Its major flaws are to big and will not be on par with any good mmo engine even with updates.

    Bad Bad Bad decision for a game :(

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342

    Originally posted by Mothanos

    Its major flaws are to big and will not be on par with any good mmo engine even with updates.

    Can you name a few of those flaws and explain?

  • CetraCetra Member UncommonPosts: 359

    Originally posted by jiveturkey12

    I said yesterday that no matter how terrible the game looked i would play simply for being an Elder Scrolls game. That was before I found out that the game was running on the Hero Engine, the same terrible engine that TOR is running on. I dont know who in their right mind decided that the hero engine was gods gift to MMO's but its just aweful. Its one of those typical all fluff and no substance engines and its defiently one of the main reasons TOR failed and will be another reason why ESO fails. 

     

    Seriously this is one of the worst things that could have ever happened to ESO, and it just shows that even bethesda can fall victim to some sly marketing by a poor engine development company that couldnt even realease their OWN mmo with the damn engine. Seriously what are all these people thinking? Couldnt they just make their own in house engine? It all goes down to greed I guess, but the with HERO engine being so expensive to purchase and use is it really worth it in the end for these companys?

     

    Thank Talos (SADFACE) for Guild Wars 2...

    Hero engine? No thanks. Swtor is a nightmare.

    And i really dont think TES online will be good. Just a gut feeling.

  • Chrome1980Chrome1980 Member Posts: 511

    Originally posted by Mothanos

    No amount of updates can save the HERO engine.

    Its major flaws are to big and will not be on par with any good mmo engine even with updates.

    Bad Bad Bad decision for a game :(

    You know something we don't? mind explaining the flaws?

  • Mike-McQueenMike-McQueen Member UncommonPosts: 267
    No classic Elder Scrolls FPS? No thanks. Definitely saving my $ on this one. Will likely see anyone who tries it back in Tyria two weeks later. Good luck with that.

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  • MephsterMephster Member Posts: 1,188

    I think the Hero Engine is good but not for TOR or TES ips. It just doesn't fit well with the games.

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  • Chrome1980Chrome1980 Member Posts: 511

    Originally posted by Mike-McQueen

    No classic Elder Scrolls FPS? No thanks. Definitely saving my $ on this one. Will likely see anyone who tries it back in Tyria two weeks later. Good luck with that.

    Quite a bold statement there bud. Also GW2 is not an FPS game so i don't understand why would anyone go back to GW2 if lack of FPS combat is the reason they won't play TESO.

    Your post makes no sense or you were just trying to make GW2 look good?

  • kingwestkingwest Member UncommonPosts: 9

    found this after i googled hero engine and found their website

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kZA9JCbVnzY#!

     

    a list of all the games they worked on if i am correct

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