I'm glad you posted the link to the AoC video. The graphics have "aged" since I played the game. I'm sorry, but to me the GW2 engine, on max settings, is at least as capable, if not more so, which combined with a superior aesthetic gives it the clear win.
Taste is subjective, (I always thought EQ2 was horrible, at the same time that some people were oooing and aaaahing over the glossy plastic look), but it you try to put aside personal taste, it's pretty clear that the GW2 engine is already above par. Also, it will only improve as the game is properly optimized.
We can argue on which MMO has the best graphics and personal taste will ensure we never agree, but there shouldn't be any disputing that GW2 is a contender, along with some other games, for that title.
Edit: I pretty much forgot to take screen shots during the stress test, but grabbed a few. This one is my favorite:
Graphics comparisons really aren't about taste though, it's what the engine itself is capable of producing. Look at the body of a maxed out AOC character compared to the body of a maxed out GW2 character. Look at the level of detail, that is where we see a graphic engine's capability. Art style is subjective graphic capability is not.
I can't see GW2 in action right now so I'll hold back from offering any comparisons myself.
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IM sorry, age of conan still reigns supreme in my book.
comparing to those other two yes it does but not when going against GW2 or Tera.. basically it was the best 4 yrs ago.. not now. So many examples in that vid proving my point.. and beyond tortage its such a lifeless world. Could be different now but I played AoC to I think 70ish before I quite the game when it was released. You did prove one thing to me though =P TSW actually looks worse than AoC.
Edit: I cant wait for next BWE.. finished building the new comp except for graphics card yesterday and that should be replaced hopefully by BWE.. have wait until our exchange is processed.. somehow ordered the wrong one >.< Cant wait to test this baby out on GW2 =D
IM sorry, age of conan still reigns supreme in my book.
comparing to those other two yes it does but not when going against GW2 or Tera.. basically it was the best 4 yrs ago.. not now. So many examples in that vid proving my point.. and beyond tortage its such a lifeless world. Could be different now but I played AoC to I think 70ish before I quite the game when it was released. You did prove one thing to me though =P TSW actually looks worse than AoC.
Edit: I cant wait for next BWE.. finished building the new comp except for graphics card yesterday and that should be replaced hopefully by BWE.. have wait until our exchange is processed.. somehow ordered the wrong one >.< Cant wait to test this baby out on GW2 =D
Unfortunately for those games, graphics is not what makes a game a good (and/or great) game. You need more than a badass engine and near-real life textures. Though there are games out there with better graphics, for me GW2 has the best "feel" and most epic (adventure-ish) look. Not only that, but after just playing in two betas, GW2 is also the best game (gameplay) for me, as compared to the other listed games.
Graphics are, for me, at least a tertiary aspect I check when choosing games. After all, no matter what shader, polygon count, AA setting, etc, if the game has no soul or plays poorly, people forget about graphics very, very soon.
Having said that, if the game performs well, then graphics start becoming more important. In this aspect, Skyrim comes to mind. Only when I was satisfied with the story and gameplay elements the graphics started growing on me. Then the package is full, and we know we have a great game in our hands.
I was very pleasantly surprised with GW2's looks. The game has a very solid art design, and the ggraphics complement and enhance the gameplay experience. Areas have different feels, and they managed to tone down some strange particle effects I've seen in videos before (such as on-fire effect).
I am sure the game will look even slicker in its final build. But, even if the graphics were sub-par, the game would still be a blast to play, because it doesn't fail on the most important aspects of a game. And that's what matters, to me.
GW2 looks beautifully there is no question about that the art style has a big impact on it tho
The pure graphic power with details and such does not even come close to FF14 on max settings especially the armor details and physics i do get more of the wow effects when playing GW2 tho but that is art style not graphics.
But graphics doesn't make a game good as seen with FF14 (but its getting there slowly)
ANet did a great job of creating a astonishing world that will still look very nice in a few years from now but thats only cause of the style.
Raw graphics power is not that important. What's important are the aethetics and GW2 has most MMOs beat in that regard.
Edit: just wanted to add that TSW has pretty decent environmental aethetics but the character models and their animations are abysmal. And the zones themselves feel lifeless.
If WoW and GW2 have anything in common it's that they both choose to go with a very artistically and aesthetically stylized approach. This allows both games to perform exceptionally well on even average machines while continuing to look fantastic so long as you enjoy the aesthetic look. The major difference seems to be that where WoW's particular style was often a major point of criticism (shouts of 'cartoony' can still be heard echoing across forums), GW2's style seems to have been largely embraced thus far. Many players ultimately played WoW despite it's style. Many players seem to want to play GW2 partly because of its style. This, in my opinion, is one of the many triumphs of GW2.
More than great, id say there are only 2 or 3 MMOs with better graphics.
But the generic art style really turns me off... it reminds of Kingdoms of Amalaur, it looks like they didn't even tried.
above GW2 graphics i put only Tera and FF14 and i think arent available all options in BW GW2 right?
i play LOTRO for many time and AoC 1month, really i will say both are almost same quality on graphics. dont understand how someone can say AoC have far better graphics than GW2.
compare WoW and GW2 graphics quality can only be a joke. they were good when they lauch but now? common they are average at best IMO
Tera's graphics are a bit better quality, BUT - GW2 has WAY better art style IMO.
yes. im only talk about graphics quality because in art style for me GW2 is far better than any other MMORPG and maybe is that reason why i say GW2 have better graphics than AoC, maybe im influence with art style.
but Tera and FF14 i can see easy they are in another lvl compared with GW2 in term of graphics quality, AoC i cant say the same
I think it's important to also note the animation. Something i took for granted during beta. Arms moving, muscles swinging, jumping extends the knee and resists impact on the way down. Immersion is everything.
I was mainly directing my question towards the people that were talking about the various game engines earlier sousa, the people that were saying it wasn't subjective.
I think it's important to also note the animation. Something i took for granted during beta. Arms moving, muscles swinging, jumping extends the knee and resists impact on the way down. Immersion is everything.
The "manga/asiatic" style of Tera makes me sick. Some mobs are just plain silly/ugly too.
I take GW2's graphics anytime over that.
Remember... beauty is a matter of opinion, including for game graphics. So NO, Tera does NOT have better graphics than GW2. Actually, I'd even take WoW's aged and cartoon style graphics over the asian ugly Tera style.
Oh, and as always... this site also has Tera forums.
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The title of this thread is just silly. GW2 isn't > all. Please define "graphics" because it's such a broad word that could cover many aspects of game design.
It's definitely nice artistically, but in no way superior to other MMO's out there currently in the "graphics" category.
GW2 is definitely working some visual alchemy as far as large scale vistas go. I was up in the Norn lands during the stress test when it was night and really hazy. I got really high up and was looking out and I could see just the peaks of a few mountains way the hell off in the distance above the haze. Then I started to try to reconcile the distance in terms of the gamespace between me and those mountains and realized they weren't doing some simple [renderdistance = x] calculation and painting stuff that was inside x. It's more like each scene is an active painting.
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GW2 is definitely working some visual alchemy as far as large scale vistas go. I was up in the Norn lands during the stress test when it was night and really hazy. I got really high up and was looking out and I could see just the peaks of a few mountains way the hell off in the distance above the haze. Then I started to try to reconcile the distance in terms of the gamespace between me and those mountains and realized they weren't doing some simple [renderdistance = x] calculation and painting stuff that was inside x. It's more like each scene is an active painting.
And you can travel to those far off mountains! That's one of the many things making this game great!
The western style of GW2 makes me sick. Some mobs are just plain silly/ugly too.
I take TERA's graphics anytime over that.
Remember... beauty is a matter of opinion, including for game graphics. So YES, Tera does have better graphics than GW2. Actually, I'd even take GW2's aged and cartoon style graphics over the western ugly WoW style.
Oh, and as always... this site also has Tera forums.
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Graphics comparisons really aren't about taste though, it's what the engine itself is capable of producing. Look at the body of a maxed out AOC character compared to the body of a maxed out GW2 character. Look at the level of detail, that is where we see a graphic engine's capability. Art style is subjective graphic capability is not.
I can't see GW2 in action right now so I'll hold back from offering any comparisons myself.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
comparing to those other two yes it does but not when going against GW2 or Tera.. basically it was the best 4 yrs ago.. not now. So many examples in that vid proving my point.. and beyond tortage its such a lifeless world. Could be different now but I played AoC to I think 70ish before I quite the game when it was released. You did prove one thing to me though =P TSW actually looks worse than AoC.
Edit: I cant wait for next BWE.. finished building the new comp except for graphics card yesterday and that should be replaced hopefully by BWE.. have wait until our exchange is processed.. somehow ordered the wrong one >.< Cant wait to test this baby out on GW2 =D
Unfortunately for those games, graphics is not what makes a game a good (and/or great) game. You need more than a badass engine and near-real life textures. Though there are games out there with better graphics, for me GW2 has the best "feel" and most epic (adventure-ish) look. Not only that, but after just playing in two betas, GW2 is also the best game (gameplay) for me, as compared to the other listed games.
Graphics are, for me, at least a tertiary aspect I check when choosing games. After all, no matter what shader, polygon count, AA setting, etc, if the game has no soul or plays poorly, people forget about graphics very, very soon.
Having said that, if the game performs well, then graphics start becoming more important. In this aspect, Skyrim comes to mind. Only when I was satisfied with the story and gameplay elements the graphics started growing on me. Then the package is full, and we know we have a great game in our hands.
I was very pleasantly surprised with GW2's looks. The game has a very solid art design, and the ggraphics complement and enhance the gameplay experience. Areas have different feels, and they managed to tone down some strange particle effects I've seen in videos before (such as on-fire effect).
I am sure the game will look even slicker in its final build. But, even if the graphics were sub-par, the game would still be a blast to play, because it doesn't fail on the most important aspects of a game. And that's what matters, to me.
GW2 looks beautifully there is no question about that the art style has a big impact on it tho
The pure graphic power with details and such does not even come close to FF14 on max settings especially the armor details and physics i do get more of the wow effects when playing GW2 tho but that is art style not graphics.
But graphics doesn't make a game good as seen with FF14 (but its getting there slowly)
ANet did a great job of creating a astonishing world that will still look very nice in a few years from now but thats only cause of the style.
Idk guys these are pretty good.
Raw graphics power is not that important. What's important are the aethetics and GW2 has most MMOs beat in that regard.
Edit: just wanted to add that TSW has pretty decent environmental aethetics but the character models and their animations are abysmal. And the zones themselves feel lifeless.
GW2 graphics are great.
More than great, id say there are only 2 or 3 MMOs with better graphics.
But the generic art style really turns me off... it reminds of Kingdoms of Amalaur, it looks like they didn't even tried.
fail
But he is true.
Too bad all those games suck.
If WoW and GW2 have anything in common it's that they both choose to go with a very artistically and aesthetically stylized approach. This allows both games to perform exceptionally well on even average machines while continuing to look fantastic so long as you enjoy the aesthetic look. The major difference seems to be that where WoW's particular style was often a major point of criticism (shouts of 'cartoony' can still be heard echoing across forums), GW2's style seems to have been largely embraced thus far. Many players ultimately played WoW despite it's style. Many players seem to want to play GW2 partly because of its style. This, in my opinion, is one of the many triumphs of GW2.
above GW2 graphics i put only Tera and FF14 and i think arent available all options in BW GW2 right?
i play LOTRO for many time and AoC 1month, really i will say both are almost same quality on graphics. dont understand how someone can say AoC have far better graphics than GW2.
compare WoW and GW2 graphics quality can only be a joke. they were good when they lauch but now? common they are average at best IMO
Tera's graphics are a bit better quality, BUT - GW2 has WAY better art style IMO.
yes. im only talk about graphics quality because in art style for me GW2 is far better than any other MMORPG and maybe is that reason why i say GW2 have better graphics than AoC, maybe im influence with art style.
but Tera and FF14 i can see easy they are in another lvl compared with GW2 in term of graphics quality, AoC i cant say the same
People are saying that GW2 is worse because the engine is worse.
In what way? I'd like to see what metrics you're basing that on.
Same with those of you saying Tera is better.
What are you basing that on? Polygon count? Tris per model? What about number of players on screen at a time? Rendering distance?
You guys are claiming hard facts of X is better. Where's the info backing that up?
im base on my eyes only. at least is that way i judge graphics. textures quality, details on world , etc.
I think it's important to also note the animation. Something i took for granted during beta. Arms moving, muscles swinging, jumping extends the knee and resists impact on the way down. Immersion is everything.
yap, in that aspect TSW was horrible for me.
The "manga/asiatic" style of Tera makes me sick. Some mobs are just plain silly/ugly too.
I take GW2's graphics anytime over that.
Remember... beauty is a matter of opinion, including for game graphics. So NO, Tera does NOT have better graphics than GW2. Actually, I'd even take WoW's aged and cartoon style graphics over the asian ugly Tera style.
Oh, and as always... this site also has Tera forums.
Respect, walk
Are you talkin' to me? Are you talkin' to me?
- PANTERA at HELLFEST 2023
The title of this thread is just silly. GW2 isn't > all. Please define "graphics" because it's such a broad word that could cover many aspects of game design.
It's definitely nice artistically, but in no way superior to other MMO's out there currently in the "graphics" category.
GW2 is definitely working some visual alchemy as far as large scale vistas go. I was up in the Norn lands during the stress test when it was night and really hazy. I got really high up and was looking out and I could see just the peaks of a few mountains way the hell off in the distance above the haze. Then I started to try to reconcile the distance in terms of the gamespace between me and those mountains and realized they weren't doing some simple [renderdistance = x] calculation and painting stuff that was inside x. It's more like each scene is an active painting.
Charr: Outta my way.
Human: What's your problem?
Charr: Your thin skin.
And you can travel to those far off mountains! That's one of the many things making this game great!
Like I said.