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Protest against addition of gear management slots to cash shop, broken patches and some other things
Sameer1979
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Since there is no NDA on current state of CB so i would like to add that FC decided to make gear management slots cash shop exclusive. For now you get only 5 in game which are very limited where you have 9 different weapons and you are expected to come up with 100's of builds and skill decks combos. Devs repeatedly said that they expect players to come up with many decks and would also be forced to experiment and yet they decided to make this crucual feature purchaseable by cash shop.
There is already a huge cry over this on forums and no response from FC yet. They are backing out on their promise to keep cash hop cosmetic only, but it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. For PVP alone i have 7 slots, and i haven't even started with PVE yet. So go figure amount of cash it will cost to keep versatile.
The latest patch broke more things than it fixed. yes it is beta but game is 9 days away from headstart. Devs are very accomodating with feedback but the latest patch went out of control. It is most visible in Kingsmouth an since it is the starter area, it is not going put a good impression on potential customers who are going to try this game in few hours.
Unable to get any word if some emergency patch is coming up since a lot of missions are broken including the main storyline DAWN OF THE ENDLESS NIGHT. Questing is the best or i must say the only way to get decent AP and SP, and with so many broken missions, it becomes difficult to progress.
Yes there have been a lot of good and much needed addittions to UI and CC, some performance tweaks etc but negative outweights positive in current state.
My only concern is that OB will start soon and thery have to pull all the stops to make things work or new players will just get frustrated in starting zone alone forget about going to savage coast. Players are not forgiving these days.
EDIT; So community uproar finally got an official response and it will be possible to buy more slots in game too. Pheww!!
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Yep, going pretty much as I expected with regards to all of the last minute defects: THIS IS FUNCOM. Think I'll continue to hold off for now.
Edit, while the original cash shop issue has been resolved, bet there's been little progress on the second, and much more concerning defect problem.
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They've never said the cashshop was cosmetic only, they said cosmetic and convenience only. Extra deck slots are definitely convenience items.
Stuff like this just leaves a bitter taste, I am glad I haven't paid for my pre order yet, I will be using this weekend to decide if the game is good enough to warrant allowing them to bleed me dry.
It would be convenience item if it didn't effect your gameplay like cosmetic T shirts and pants. How can you say that with straight face that extra management slots are just covenience items?
Because I think they are? Same as XP-potions or similar. Most players will likely have less than 5 decks anyway, so I don't see the big problem, as long as the cost for new slots is low.
I am glad a lot of players don't think like you that management slots are merely a convenience item and nothing more. Also you are absolutely wrong that players will have less than 5 decks because i haven't met any player in higher zones which has less than 5. Maybe you should get out of kingsmouth first to make an informed decision about this.
I bet you don't even PVP or you won't make this ridiculous statement.
Being a TSW fan I don't like this move though. I've been ok with cloth and cosmetics in cash shop but it seems they are trying to test the limits here and this is not good imho.
Actually its an outrage, they have Boxprice, sub, and try to get as much money through the ingame reakmoney shop...
For a medium quallity game, this is way over the top, even for a Top AAA+ game it would be.
And about the last pathc, its nothing bad, for every patch for every 2 things repaired there is another one broken... but if they repair small things and break big things its going to hurt.
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lol extra inventory space is CS is a sub game?
what a crock.
Building deck's is touted as what this game is all about. I think this will ruffle more than a few feathers....
Exactly, that is why i call BS on it being a convenience item. It is one of the main draws of the game, freedom to come up with as many builds as you.
We are talking about deck management slots here so similar to talent builds in other MMOs and you get 5 of them... most people won't even use 5. I used a grand total of 1 by the end of beta weekend 3 and used it to save my solo build then swap around test builds by hand when needed, a process which only took a couple of minutes at most.
As for broken patches... yeah not uncommon in Age of Conan I recall, or indeed any MMO. Even the most rigerous testing with a game this complex will still miss issues when a game goes live.
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Well, you have some reading comprehension problems it seems. Inventory space is bought for ingame cash, and isn't what is being discussed here.
If the extra slots were also buyable for ingame cash I think it would be fine, but I don't think it is so far.
Complaining about broken patches in a Closed beta when the fix issues within 24 hours sounds like some nice whining.
More deck-slots are a convenience but not having a large enough number is also an inconvenience.
I think that if they upped the base number of deck-slots it would be more acceptable, the relatively low base number does seem to be overly restrictive.
In my opinion, these kind of things do NOT belong to a ingame shop while there is a subscribtion fee running.
That for the first.
For the second, i expect Funcom to give out Funcompoints (the shop currency) on a monthly base to subscribed players to avoid additional micropayments for exacly THIS kind of things like the gearmanager slots.
Me fears, there wont be enuff FC points to dodge the extra for the shop, it was in AoC the case.
Lets see, im looking forward anyways.
Whining? more like concerned. When OB is about to start in few hours and new patch messed up more than it fixed so close to weekend beta. But call it what you may but i doubt you know what actual whining looks like.
Let us not compare TSW to other MMOS and draw comaprisons only when it is covenient. TSW skill system and management is very vast and offers a lot more than just 5. There are 9 kind of different weapons which makes atleast 9 to 10 slots compulsory and that is minimum. If you are going to PVP you will change your tone ina minute that 5 slots are sufficient. TSW is designed ina manner where you have to have to more than 5 slots to be efficent whether you solo or in groups.
I am sorry, I expressed myself poorly and used the wrong terms. I can see that. What I meant to say was;
Gear management slots being cash shop exclusive in a sub game?
What a crock.
I'm surprised so many people are willing to let FC milk them like this. They're going to end up making a fortune off of a game that will only have a moderate amount of people playing.
Don't mind it being in the cash shop, but CS ONLY? Fu** off Funcom.
Yup. It's a business model.
You have to vote with your wallet if you don't like it.
B2P
B+Sub
F2P+CS
And now we have B2P+Sub+CS. Isn't it great to have all these choices?
Haha not surprised.
When I put similar concern in TSW forums shortly after they announced business model - I was attacked with many posts.
Well there you have it.
I think people have to learn hard way. 12 months down the road you will have low or mid level pvp rewards in store or some similar scheme.
I guarantee you. That's Funcom philosophy for cash shop - some Funcom employee said something in lines that as game progress earlier rewards can be seen as convenience and can be put into cash shop. Shame I cannot find link to it...
Anyway having cash shop in sub game is outrageus. (before you reply - I don't care that WoW also have one).
+ this game will go freemium AoC or SOE games style. Just not sure how quickly - I bet anything between 12-18 months after release.
Unless it tank ultra fast then maybe faster.
I may be subject to an onslaught here... but the game is not released yet and what they have done now may not make it into the final cut. My point being the pigs have not taken flight, though if they do I can understand people who are upset by it. Myself I am still weighing up whether I want to make the purchase as it is a solid game.