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Protest against addition of gear management slots to cash shop, broken patches and some other things

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  • Sameer1979Sameer1979 Member Posts: 362
    Originally posted by Moodsie
    No you did not, but people like you are the reason why betas should never remove their NDA, always jumping the gun, never having the patience to be an actual beta tester.

    But whatever, this wont lead anywhere, you had your 15 minutes of fame, hope you enjoyed em.

    Lol fame on on amessage board whatever buddy. My topic wasn't some final peice of information where i said these changes are final, or can you show where i said that? NDA was lifted for a reason to update all those who are not in CB with recent changes, and that is what i do, i keep people updated just ike how i updated OP after getting official response.

    You are under the impression that my topic somehow mentioned that this addition to CS is final and will never change. Don't blame me for your assumptions. I guess you missed the part where i said that people are still waiting for some official response from FC.

  • BlackbrrdBlackbrrd Member Posts: 811
    Originally posted by Sameer1979
    Originally posted by Moodsie
    No you did not, but people like you are the reason why betas should never remove their NDA, always jumping the gun, never having the patience to be an actual beta tester.

    But whatever, this wont lead anywhere, you had your 15 minutes of fame, hope you enjoyed em.

    Lol fame on on amessage board whatever buddy. My topic wasn't some final peice of information where i said these changes are final, or can you show where i said that? NDA was lifted for a reason to update all those who are not in CB with recent changes, and that is what i do, i keep people updated just ike how i updated OP after getting official response.

    You are under the impression that my topic somehow mentioned that this addition to CS is final and will never change. Don't blame me for your assumptions. I guess you missed the part where i said that people are still waiting for some official response from FC.

    Actually, you did jump to conclusions: "FC decided to make gear management slots cash shop exclusive"

  • NitthNitth Member UncommonPosts: 3,904


    Originally posted by Sameer1979
    The latest patch broke more things than it fixed. yes it is beta but game is 9 days away from headstart. Devs are very accomodating with feedback but the latest patch went out of control. It is most visible in Kingsmouth an since it is the starter area, it is not going put a good impression on potential customers who are going to try this game in few hours.Unable to get any word if some emergency patch is coming up since a lot of missions are broken including the main storyline DAWN OF THE ENDLESS NIGHT. Questing is the best or i must say the only way to get decent AP and SP, and with so many broken missions, it becomes difficult to progress.


    They are patching daily/hourly now man. what more can they do?

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  • ConnmacartConnmacart Member UncommonPosts: 723

    Anyone that thinks that Funcom made a mistake when they added those to the CS and then make a post saying we made a mistake comes of as really naive. They got caught with their pants down and had to scramble to adjust their original plan. If they could have gotten away with it they would have.

  • Sameer1979Sameer1979 Member Posts: 362
    Originally posted by Blackbrrd
    Originally posted by Sameer1979
    Originally posted by Moodsie
    No you did not, but people like you are the reason why betas should never remove their NDA, always jumping the gun, never having the patience to be an actual beta tester.

    But whatever, this wont lead anywhere, you had your 15 minutes of fame, hope you enjoyed em.

    Lol fame on on amessage board whatever buddy. My topic wasn't some final peice of information where i said these changes are final, or can you show where i said that? NDA was lifted for a reason to update all those who are not in CB with recent changes, and that is what i do, i keep people updated just ike how i updated OP after getting official response.

    You are under the impression that my topic somehow mentioned that this addition to CS is final and will never change. Don't blame me for your assumptions. I guess you missed the part where i said that people are still waiting for some official response from FC.

    Actually, you did jump to conclusions: "FC decided to make gear management slots cash shop exclusive"

    When FC decided to introduce slots in cash shop before making it avilable on vendors in game, it wasn't just me who thought that it is exclusive, And the guy who responded doesn't even handle CS department so we just got lucky that he read and decided to reponse.

    Otherwise who knows how long people would be waiting to get an official reponse from those who actually are responsible for handling CS.

  • highflyinghighflying Member Posts: 22
    Originally posted by Connmacart

    Anyone that thinks that Funcom made a mistake when they added those to the CS and then make a post saying we made a mistake comes of as really naive. They got caught with their pants down and had to scramble to adjust their original plan. If they could have gotten away with it they would have.

    Ah come on, what's the point in this?

    Show us on the doll where funcom touched you.

  • MoodsorMoodsor Member UncommonPosts: 712
    Originally posted by Connmacart

    Anyone that thinks that Funcom made a mistake when they added those to the CS and then make a post saying we made a mistake comes of as really naive. They got caught with their pants down and had to scramble to adjust their original plan. If they could have gotten away with it they would have.

    And we never landed on the moon.

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  • DanitaKusorDanitaKusor Member UncommonPosts: 556
    Originally posted by Sameer1979

    Otherwise who knows how long people would be waiting to get an official reponse from those who actually are responsible for handling CS.

    What time is it in Funcom land at the moment?  Maybe they are all asleep getting ready for the next beta weekend which starts in 4 and a half hours.

    Let them finish their toast and vegemite at least.

    The Enlightened take things Lightly

  • OmnifishOmnifish Member Posts: 616
    Originally posted by Connmacart

    Anyone that thinks that Funcom made a mistake when they added those to the CS and then make a post saying we made a mistake comes of as really naive. They got caught with their pants down and had to scramble to adjust their original plan. If they could have gotten away with it they would have.

     

    Agreed, it would never have got this far if it was a, 'mistake'.

     

    They were just testing the water to see what they could get away with as a precedent.  People reacted bably just before launch and that could have affected inital sales numbers.

    Honestly I feel sorry for anyone who is really into this game because your probably going to have to be extremely vigilant over this sort of thing while your still paying a sub.

    This looks like a job for....The Riviera Kid!

  • BlackbrrdBlackbrrd Member Posts: 811
    Originally posted by DanitaKusor
    Originally posted by Sameer1979

    Otherwise who knows how long people would be waiting to get an official reponse from those who actually are responsible for handling CS.

    What time is it in Funcom land at the moment?  Maybe they are all asleep getting ready for the next beta weekend which starts in 4 and a half hours.

    Let them finish their toast and vegemite at least.

    In Funcom land it's slightly more than 5 hour to their last, biggest open beta weekend, otherwise known as frenetic activity time. :D

  • dangledangle Member Posts: 74
    Originally posted by Connmacart

    Anyone that thinks that Funcom made a mistake when they added those to the CS and then make a post saying we made a mistake comes of as really naive. They got caught with their pants down and had to scramble to adjust their original plan. If they could have gotten away with it they would have.

    The fact is that the item store was launched completely separately from any patch or update. They just turned on a web site. It's not very hard to believe them that it was just the first place for the item to show up. Now you're free to distrust them because they're funcom, or because it doesn't fit into your world view, but there is no evidence for it being made up or a lie.

  • GreenHellGreenHell Member UncommonPosts: 1,323
    Originally posted by Omnifish
    Originally posted by Connmacart

    Anyone that thinks that Funcom made a mistake when they added those to the CS and then make a post saying we made a mistake comes of as really naive. They got caught with their pants down and had to scramble to adjust their original plan. If they could have gotten away with it they would have.

     

    Agreed, it would never have got this far if it was a, 'mistake'.

     

    They were just testing the water to see what they could get away with as a precedent.  People reacted bably just before launch and that could have affected inital sales numbers.

    Honestly I feel sorry for anyone who is really into this game because your probably going to have to be extremely vigilant over this sort of thing while your still paying a sub.

    Everyone is going to read what happened differently I suppose. Some people will defend this action as a mistake. No one wants to believe they are betting on a losing horse.

    Other people will see it as "testing the waters". FC seeing what they can and can not do before the game goes F2P. I'm more likely to believe the "other people" in this case. Maybe I am a cynic. Only time will tell for sure.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,088
    Originally posted by dangle
    Originally posted by Connmacart

    Anyone that thinks that Funcom made a mistake when they added those to the CS and then make a post saying we made a mistake comes of as really naive. They got caught with their pants down and had to scramble to adjust their original plan. If they could have gotten away with it they would have.

    The fact is that the item store was launched completely separately from any patch or update. They just turned on a web site. It's not very hard to believe them that it was just the first place for the item to show up. Now you're free to distrust them because they're funcom, or because it doesn't fit into your world view, but there is no evidence for it being made up or a lie.

    Might not be any hard evidence, but it most certainly the way to bet, especially when dealing with Funcom.

     

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  • DaezAsterDaezAster Member UncommonPosts: 788

    Good that they chimed in and are being proactive with the community though. kudos.....

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Originally posted by Sameer1979

    Since there is no NDA on current state of CB so i would like to add that FC decided to make gear management slots cash shop exclusive. For now you get only 5 in game which are very limited where you have 9 different weapons and you are expected to come up with 100's of builds and skill decks combos. Devs repeatedly said that they expect players to come up with many decks and would also be forced to experiment and yet they decided to make this crucual feature purchaseable by cash shop.

    There is already a huge cry over this on forums and no response from FC yet. They are backing out on their promise to keep cash hop cosmetic only, but it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. For PVP alone i have 7 slots, and i haven't even started with PVE yet. So go figure amount of cash it will cost to keep versatile.

     

    The latest patch broke more things than it fixed. yes it is beta but game is 9 days away from headstart. Devs are very accomodating with feedback but the latest patch went out of control. It is most visible in Kingsmouth an since it is the starter area, it is not going put a good impression on potential customers who are going to try this game in few hours.

    Unable to get any word if some emergency patch is coming up since a lot of missions are broken including the main storyline DAWN OF THE ENDLESS NIGHT. Questing is the best or i must say the only way to get decent AP and SP, and with so many broken missions, it becomes difficult to progress.

     

    Yes there have been a lot of good and much needed addittions to UI and CC, some performance tweaks etc but negative outweights positive in current state.

    My only concern is that OB will start soon and thery have to pull all the stops to make things work or new players will just get frustrated in starting zone alone forget about going to savage coast. Players are not forgiving these days.

     

    EDIT; So community uproar finally got an official response and it will be possible to buy more slots in game too. Pheww!!

    You must be new to CB OP. Btw the patch this morning fixed the broken stuff. This is the way it works in CB. Maybe you should stick to the BWEs.

     

     

  • IrusIrus Member Posts: 774

    I definitely believe this... is not acceptable in a sub game. A sub game should have a very limited cash shop, mostly server transfers, name changes, and additional cosmetics. A sub fee payer shouldn't have to worry about convenience within their game.

    Originally posted by FredomSekerZ

    Trion is the only company not milking it's playerbased. Sub with no CS and extremely fast content updates, and now, if you buy their expansion, you get Rift fully free with it.

    Also CCP.

  • Sameer1979Sameer1979 Member Posts: 362
    Originally posted by Kyleran
    Originally posted by dangle
    Originally posted by Connmacart

    Anyone that thinks that Funcom made a mistake when they added those to the CS and then make a post saying we made a mistake comes of as really naive. They got caught with their pants down and had to scramble to adjust their original plan. If they could have gotten away with it they would have.

    The fact is that the item store was launched completely separately from any patch or update. They just turned on a web site. It's not very hard to believe them that it was just the first place for the item to show up. Now you're free to distrust them because they're funcom, or because it doesn't fit into your world view, but there is no evidence for it being made up or a lie.

    Might not be any hard evidence, but it most certainly the way to bet, especially when dealing with Funcom.

     

    I am a huge fan of this game and big supporter but even i am not that naive especially when dealing with Funcom. So it could be an honest mistake or that they just wanted to see how people react at this. usually ragnar is on top of things so i am surprised that they let this ligner on for so long, but like one of the poster said it could be that they are just testing the waters, if people didn't make a fuss they would have gone ahead with it.. it is a possibility.

  • Sameer1979Sameer1979 Member Posts: 362
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Originally posted by Sameer1979

    Since there is no NDA on current state of CB so i would like to add that FC decided to make gear management slots cash shop exclusive. For now you get only 5 in game which are very limited where you have 9 different weapons and you are expected to come up with 100's of builds and skill decks combos. Devs repeatedly said that they expect players to come up with many decks and would also be forced to experiment and yet they decided to make this crucual feature purchaseable by cash shop.

    There is already a huge cry over this on forums and no response from FC yet. They are backing out on their promise to keep cash hop cosmetic only, but it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. For PVP alone i have 7 slots, and i haven't even started with PVE yet. So go figure amount of cash it will cost to keep versatile.

     

    The latest patch broke more things than it fixed. yes it is beta but game is 9 days away from headstart. Devs are very accomodating with feedback but the latest patch went out of control. It is most visible in Kingsmouth an since it is the starter area, it is not going put a good impression on potential customers who are going to try this game in few hours.

    Unable to get any word if some emergency patch is coming up since a lot of missions are broken including the main storyline DAWN OF THE ENDLESS NIGHT. Questing is the best or i must say the only way to get decent AP and SP, and with so many broken missions, it becomes difficult to progress.

     

    Yes there have been a lot of good and much needed addittions to UI and CC, some performance tweaks etc but negative outweights positive in current state.

    My only concern is that OB will start soon and thery have to pull all the stops to make things work or new players will just get frustrated in starting zone alone forget about going to savage coast. Players are not forgiving these days.

     

    EDIT; So community uproar finally got an official response and it will be possible to buy more slots in game too. Pheww!!

    You must be new to CB OP. Btw the patch this morning fixed the broken stuff. This is the way it works in CB. Maybe you should stick to the BWEs.

     

    Yes we all want more slots. We'll probably have 8 at launch.

    Actually i have been in CB since may ;) and things have always been (surprisingly) very smooth, but the last patch i would admit put me ina panic mode when so close to OB;)

    i want this game to do very well and have a very nice impression on players this weekend. But i have said this before and say it again thet TSW could have benefited from another delay for few days.

  • DanitaKusorDanitaKusor Member UncommonPosts: 556

    Well have fun arguing, I'm going to get some sleep and see you all in the beta weekend after breakfast.

    The Enlightened take things Lightly

  • SoandsosoSoandsoso Member Posts: 533

    The OP jumped to conclusions and when FC didn't  jump when he screamed murder he came here to QQ. Only to be proven wrong and he is prone to acting out like a child.

  • Sameer1979Sameer1979 Member Posts: 362
    Originally posted by Soandsoso

    The OP jumped to conclusions and when FC didn't  jump when he screamed murder he came here to QQ. Only to be proven wrong and he is prone to acting out like a child.

    The OP isn't started by me on official forums, i didn't even post in it. I just posted it here as an update on current developments because not all have access to CB forums.

    I am one of the biggest supporters of TSW by the way, but then it doesn't take long for fans to turn on each other if some like me don't want to cross that line of 'blind' fanboyism.

    I am still wondering how you know i am 'prone' to acting like a child when this is first  post i made about TSW with something negative in it.... which wasn't even mine to begin with. merely a repeat of what is going on official forums.

  • highflyinghighflying Member Posts: 22

    Stop acting like children, this fixed now, and thanks to this topic, the whole thing got cleared up.

    So thanks for making the thread.

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Originally posted by highflying

    Deep breath everyone? Good?
    This is going to be something you can purchase in the game as well. With ingame cash.


    Yes, it was silly of us to have the cash shop show up before the ingame vendors with extra slots.
    Feedback heard, loud and clear! *salute*

     

    I haven't really been paying attention to cash shop threads as it has nothing to do with my part of the game.
    I actually saw a ranty post on MMORPG which led me back here to see what the fuss was about :P

     

    Devs are reading stuff on this forum as well :)

     

    Game made by gamers for gamers. This is why us CB testers fell in love (man love, like in a ma.. you know what I mean...) with this team.  Call these guys what you will but never call them out of touch.

     

    They have earned my trust many times over before this here. This just one example. 

     

    Protest over? /thread?

     

    btw - These Devs play the game and, they read and post on the forums just like we do. How cool is that?

     

     

  • Pratt2112Pratt2112 Member UncommonPosts: 1,636
    Originally posted by Piiritus

    Being a TSW fan I don't like this move though. I've been ok with cloth and cosmetics in cash shop but it seems they are trying to test the limits here and this is not good imho.

     No MMO with a cash shop relies on cosmetics only to generate revenue, because they know there's a small population of players who will actually care enough to buy that stuff.

    They all start sneaking in items that are steadily more and more meaningful and have more influence with the players, be it gameplay-wise, socially, etc. Occasionally you'll have a developer/publisher who screws up by showing their hand and dropping items that are blatantly game-affecting from day 1, after insisting they never would add them at all (such as NCSoft with L2's cash shop).

    The problem is, they play semantics with you. They use words like "optional" or "convenience only". The thing is, everyone's definition of "optional" is different when it comes to these games. To someone whose playstyle mandates leveling as fast as the game will allow (and there are many who are like that), things like xp potions are not "optional"; they're necessary. Convenience is another, and you can see it in action right in this thread. One person sees extra slots as a convenience, someone else doesn't. Just so happens that there's enough people who saw them as not being convenience only, who also found it rather screwed up that they would be cash shop only.

    It should be seen as a precedent of what FC will likely pull in the future. They'll keep pushing and pushing and pushing as time goes on, seeing what they can get away with adding. Whatever doesn't get "too much" of an uproar will stay, and whatever does will simply be adjusted in some way. It's like a child constantly testing their parents to see how much they can get away with. Sometimes they end up contradicting themselves.

    You'll see a developer claim that their cash shop will sell items for convenience only, to make things "more fair" for those  with less time would rather spend money to get something sooner than later. Then they turn around and sell items that are exclusive to the cash shop and for which there is no other way to obtain them, making it necessary - not optional - to spend additional money if you want those items. See the problem there? Sadly, many don't. And it happens all the time.

    Cash shops are one of the biggest and longest running con-jobs in the gaming industry. There's so much song-and-dance and smoke and mirrors involved with their setup and execution, it could make your head spin to stop and think about it all. Semantics, carefully chosen terminology and slick PR are favored tools to affect and influence public perception; to keep people's focus on what the developer *wants* you to see, and away from what they don't want you to. It's a big ongoing psychology experiment, where the pay-off of successful research is more $$$ generated. Personally, I find it disgusting.

    Sad that so many willingly, even enthusiastically, jump right in with both feet without even thinking about it first.

    Just ask yourself this question: Is there any reason why any of the stuff in the cash shop can't be obtained simply by playing the game alone? Spending in-game currency to acquire aesthetic gear for your character, etc? FC did it for years in Anarchy Online. They even devised special "name brand" clothing lines, sold in sets, that people could get.simply by spending the in-game money. The Cash Shop is not a necessity. It's a money grab.

  • bcbullybcbully Member EpicPosts: 11,843
    Originally posted by Sameer1979
    Originally posted by bcbully
    Originally posted by Sameer1979

    Since there is no NDA on current state of CB so i would like to add that FC decided to make gear management slots cash shop exclusive. For now you get only 5 in game which are very limited where you have 9 different weapons and you are expected to come up with 100's of builds and skill decks combos. Devs repeatedly said that they expect players to come up with many decks and would also be forced to experiment and yet they decided to make this crucual feature purchaseable by cash shop.

    There is already a huge cry over this on forums and no response from FC yet. They are backing out on their promise to keep cash hop cosmetic only, but it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. For PVP alone i have 7 slots, and i haven't even started with PVE yet. So go figure amount of cash it will cost to keep versatile.

     

    The latest patch broke more things than it fixed. yes it is beta but game is 9 days away from headstart. Devs are very accomodating with feedback but the latest patch went out of control. It is most visible in Kingsmouth an since it is the starter area, it is not going put a good impression on potential customers who are going to try this game in few hours.

    Unable to get any word if some emergency patch is coming up since a lot of missions are broken including the main storyline DAWN OF THE ENDLESS NIGHT. Questing is the best or i must say the only way to get decent AP and SP, and with so many broken missions, it becomes difficult to progress.

     

    Yes there have been a lot of good and much needed addittions to UI and CC, some performance tweaks etc but negative outweights positive in current state.

    My only concern is that OB will start soon and thery have to pull all the stops to make things work or new players will just get frustrated in starting zone alone forget about going to savage coast. Players are not forgiving these days.

     

    EDIT; So community uproar finally got an official response and it will be possible to buy more slots in game too. Pheww!!

    You must be new to CB OP. Btw the patch this morning fixed the broken stuff. This is the way it works in CB. Maybe you should stick to the BWEs.

     

    Yes we all want more slots. We'll probably have 8 at launch.

    Actually i have been in CB since may ;) and things have always been (surprisingly) very smooth, but the last patch i would admit put me ina panic mode when so close to OB;)

    i want this game to do very well and have a very nice impression on players this weekend. But i have said this before and say it again thet TSW could have benefited from another delay for few days.

    :) Yeah so I got a little pissed too (between me and you) ....Wake up call huh? Good post OP, in retrospec I should have did the same. image

     

     

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