Was it a wise business decision for blizzard? yes. Was it a good thing for gamers? no.
How is it not a good thing for gamers when so many are having fun?
If you didn't like WoW, you had to go through the last 6-7 years or more of most mmos wanting to be the next WoW, and failing for the most part.....No one wanted to fund innovation or something different, they wanted their WoW pot o' gold....People were delusional to think their WoW with a twist would do that.
If WoW wasn't the shiney in most peoples eyes, but merely a top mmo that didn't make most investors want to be it, their probably would of been more innovation and variety, that had more money behind it, instead of everyone wanting to be WoW2, in everything, but name.
If the goverment decided that everyone with dark hair got $10,000, and everyone with blonde hair had to do 1000 hours of community service, how could this not be good for people with hair, since so many liked what they got? I know it's silly, but numbers don't equate to something being universally good...Plenty of bad TV shows that people watch, farmville, etc...
Entertainment is 100% optional (unlike govt forcing you to do community service). So how is it bad that millions are enjoying? Surely if you don't like it, it is not "good" for you. However, it is still not "bad" for you because you are not forced to play.
If i am a dev, i will view millions of players enjoying my product a good thing. If i am a consumer, i only care about what is fun for me .. and there are plenty of fun entertainment out there. Either way, I don't see a problem.
IT is bad for me, because I find the WoW clones shallow and NOT fun...Devs were chasing the WoW dollar, as I explained, and failing for the most part...Money was not going towards mmos with more original/different ideas, while they were chasing the WoW2....Seems they learned somewhat and are now developing different things, but we had to wait 6-7 years...
I enjoy mmos more than single player games, and I didn't enjoy the last 6 years, so no fun here...Atleast not to the level I would of liked. If playing a mmo for 1-3 months is optimal and the target, then I guess it is working as intended, but I am looking for the mmo that I want to play 3-8 years....One that has good crafting, harvesting, dungeons, pve, housing, and pvp options... Most new games have like 1-2 starting areas, gone are the areas for the most part for most races...I could go on, but I have a feeling they would fall on deaf ears...Since I basically just had to repeat myself and the point of the original post was missed and the question asked again, just to be answered again....
Sure, there are millions of people playing now, but at what cost? Give me old school 150-250k subs as successful with great communities any day.
Cost of many players are having fun? I am not interested in an old school, slow, boring (camping particularly bad) MMO. I would MUCH rather play a co-op action RPG when i can jump in and actually play an adventure.
Sure you want one. Vote with your wallet and see if it happens.
IT is bad for me, because I find the WoW clones shallow and NOT fun...Devs were chasing the WoW dollar, as I explained, and failing for the most part...Money was not going towards mmos with more original/different ideas, while they were chasing the WoW2....Seems they learned somewhat and are now developing different things, but we had to wait 6-7 years...
I enjoy mmos more than single player games, and I didn't enjoy the last 6 years, so no fun here...Atleast not to the level I would of liked. If playing a mmo for 1-3 months is optimal and the target, then I guess it is working as intended, but I am looking for the mmo that I want to play 3-8 years....One that has good crafting, harvesting, dungeons, pve, housing, and pvp options... Most new games have like 1-2 starting areas, gone are the areas for the most part for most races...I could go on, but I have a feeling they would fall on deaf ears...Since I basically just had to repeat myself and the point of the original post was missed and the question asked again, just to be answered again....
See .. it is not that hard to admit that it is only bad for YOU. Certainly it is not bad for me. WOW is a fun game. DCUO is a fun game (and how would anyone confuse super hero action combat with WOW is beyond me). DDO is a fun game .. FOR ME.
There are plenty of fun games for me to play.
Now if you cannot find a fun game, you can always look for other types of entertainment.
But the bottomeline is .. it is not bad for devs, it is not bad for me .. it is bad for YOU.
The only MMORPG that I have seen hyped, in it's true sense, recently is SWtOR... what others have helped you come to this conclusion?
Interested players talking about the game excitedly on a forum doesn't count as 'hardcore hype' btw imo.
Huh? and what exactly was hyped, if you don't mind me asking?
Game of the year, What does Bioware have to do with other sites calling it game of the year. Hey I can call Runes of Magic, game of the year. Doesnt mean a damn thing. Use your common sense my friend.
even though it was out for like a week, especially if it was only out for a week. who fault is this. Bioware, or reviewers? again, use your common sense my friend.
before the new year started...Fourth pillar of gaming it was adding, which was going to be what all new mmos would be judged by, huh what? and this is based on what? ever ask yourself that? again, common sense my friend.
huge amounts of cash spent and noted studio, people mock it now, but said how could it be bad with Bioware making it.... I can spend 100$ on a piece of shit from a pig. Doesnt change the fact that its still a piece of pig shit. Cost have nothing to do with quality. With all the failed AAA MMO out there, you should know this by now. again common sense my friend.
Just cause Bioware is making it means nothing. People used this excuse to say Warhammer would be awesome because Mythic was making it... come on.... common sense my friend.
All that said, hey, it isn't a bad word, if you own a company, you hype your stuff, you are in it to make money...again what was this hype from them? GW2 developers hyped their gameplay, not silly CGI. come on....common sense my friend.
They spent a lot to hype it, and Star Wars fans helped them do it, again who fault is that?
even if it was blindly or with little information (not all, but some)...<-----now we getting somewhere I played it for the free month, wasn't worth a sub imo, but I don't hold it against them... Companies want to make money, and if they owned a pile of crap and could hype you into thinking it was a fun toy and could make money selling it, most companies would.
You are starting from a flawed arguement, use your own common sense.....You said what hyped it, NOT what Bioware only did to hype it.....Put all the little cuts and bits of language you want, and use common sense like a catch phrase....But it would be nice if you would use your own catch phrase around these forums.
use my own catch phrase huh? ok.
Well I am MMOexposed, so I suppose to expose the MMO, but looks like the MMO exposed you, if you were hyped about SWTOR, which had little info beyond screaming Bioware/SW fanboys they knew as little as everybody else, and with the fact the developers themselves said it wasnt nothing more than a WoW like experience to some extent.
The MMO Exposed you.... smh
I had ZERO hype about TOR.....I played it because I had a lot of friends playing it, and to be honest...dropping the cash doesn't bother me......If you care to expose me, go look way back in my history of posts, you will find that I expected the game to be a shallow/railed game.... I did listen to one guy at BW and a beta tester that the later worlds 'opened up'.....Kept waiting for it...I would hardly consider that hyped though...I have even posted I got my money worth, since the cash didn't bother me much and I didn't have expectations...Just not worth paying a sub.
You seem to be failing here....GOTCHA...oh maybe not... I don't live in the TOR forums and hate on it though... If you enjoy it, play it... I bought the game, and if I want to comment, here and there, I will. I think the game is stuck the way it is, it isn't going to change, so those that like it are good... I think the mmo/single player aspect is flawed in it, killing the mass retention they hoped for.
I just answered your original question, and if you cannot admit that companies hype their game, as well as fans of the IP, then you need to do a hard hitting piece on yourself.
IT is bad for me, because I find the WoW clones shallow and NOT fun...Devs were chasing the WoW dollar, as I explained, and failing for the most part...Money was not going towards mmos with more original/different ideas, while they were chasing the WoW2....Seems they learned somewhat and are now developing different things, but we had to wait 6-7 years...
I enjoy mmos more than single player games, and I didn't enjoy the last 6 years, so no fun here...Atleast not to the level I would of liked. If playing a mmo for 1-3 months is optimal and the target, then I guess it is working as intended, but I am looking for the mmo that I want to play 3-8 years....One that has good crafting, harvesting, dungeons, pve, housing, and pvp options... Most new games have like 1-2 starting areas, gone are the areas for the most part for most races...I could go on, but I have a feeling they would fall on deaf ears...Since I basically just had to repeat myself and the point of the original post was missed and the question asked again, just to be answered again....
See .. it is not that hard to admit that it is only bad for YOU. Certainly it is not bad for me. WOW is a fun game. DCUO is a fun game (and how would anyone confuse super hero action combat with WOW is beyond me). DDO is a fun game .. FOR ME.
There are plenty of fun games for me to play.
Now if you cannot find a fun game, you can always look for other types of entertainment.
But the bottomeline is .. it is not bad for devs, it is not bad for me .. it is bad for YOU.
I never said it was bad for everyone, never, ever, ever, reread my post.....You like it, it's good for you, those that don't, it is bad...That is all anyone has said... I don't hate on WoW...may it live forever....Keep all its players, people learn they can't have them, and make something different.... Win/Win!
See .. it is not that hard to admit that it is only bad for YOU. Certainly it is not bad for me. WOW is a fun game. DCUO is a fun game (and how would anyone confuse super hero action combat with WOW is beyond me). DDO is a fun game .. FOR ME.
There are plenty of fun games for me to play.
Now if you cannot find a fun game, you can always look for other types of entertainment.
But the bottomeline is .. it is not bad for devs, it is not bad for me .. it is bad for YOU.
If that's the case how come most resent MMOs is bleeding subs more than ever and a lot of people are screaming for something new.
Even if the game is fun for YOU, don't you think something is wrong with how MMOs are developed due to the resent trend?
See .. it is not that hard to admit that it is only bad for YOU. Certainly it is not bad for me. WOW is a fun game. DCUO is a fun game (and how would anyone confuse super hero action combat with WOW is beyond me). DDO is a fun game .. FOR ME.
There are plenty of fun games for me to play.
Now if you cannot find a fun game, you can always look for other types of entertainment.
But the bottomeline is .. it is not bad for devs, it is not bad for me .. it is bad for YOU.
If that's the case how come most resent MMOs is bleeding subs more than ever and a lot of people are screaming for something new.
Even if the game is fun for YOU, don't you think something is wrong with how MMOs are developed due to the resent trend?
Because the market is saturated and the only way is down? Its not like losing subs overtime is unheard of. Its the natural way of things. Players quit when they're bored of the game and move on to the next one. Nothing special about that.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
I've stuck with one mmorpg for over the past year, resubbed for another year, and enjoy the constant content updates it recieves. A large one is coming tomorrow and I'm excited for it! I've also tested the waters of a few others, and come out fairly pleased with the ones that I felt mattered. So remember that you're just speaking for yourself, your opinions, and not the actual games nor the majority of the players.
But in answer to OP ~ I think the people who get hyped on a game and then walk away dissappointed are generally those who are searching for something very specific, and very personal to themselves. Sometimes it's just an engaging craftin system, or a lore that makes them think. Sometimes it's a race that charms them. Sometimes it's something very intangible, and difficult, like a game that makes them feel like it's their first time becoming part of an online world with thousands of other players. Some people just want their mmo virginity back.
For myself, I'm willing to at least try out any mmo thats looks fun/interesting. I know very well what I like in a game and what I don't, and often use betas/trial periods to truly determine if do want/do not want ~ so all hype does is make me aware of the game itself. It's out there, it exists, hurray. It's not a bad thing, it's just good marketing. MMOs rarely get worse after launch. Especially right after launch. It's a genre where what you buy and play expands and improves over time. (I know there's been some tragic exceptions.)
So, in my personal opinion, the main issue with hype followed by profound dissappointment to be with the people buying into it to the point where they get butthurt over a game not living up to their hopes and dreams by either having unrealistic expectations that they didn't research or test out prior to purchase/commitment, or simply not fully understanding what they really want out of an mmorpg.
IT is bad for me, because I find the WoW clones shallow and NOT fun...Devs were chasing the WoW dollar, as I explained, and failing for the most part...Money was not going towards mmos with more original/different ideas, while they were chasing the WoW2....Seems they learned somewhat and are now developing different things, but we had to wait 6-7 years...
I enjoy mmos more than single player games, and I didn't enjoy the last 6 years, so no fun here...Atleast not to the level I would of liked. If playing a mmo for 1-3 months is optimal and the target, then I guess it is working as intended, but I am looking for the mmo that I want to play 3-8 years....One that has good crafting, harvesting, dungeons, pve, housing, and pvp options... Most new games have like 1-2 starting areas, gone are the areas for the most part for most races...I could go on, but I have a feeling they would fall on deaf ears...Since I basically just had to repeat myself and the point of the original post was missed and the question asked again, just to be answered again....
See .. it is not that hard to admit that it is only bad for YOU. Certainly it is not bad for me. WOW is a fun game. DCUO is a fun game (and how would anyone confuse super hero action combat with WOW is beyond me). DDO is a fun game .. FOR ME.
There are plenty of fun games for me to play.
Now if you cannot find a fun game, you can always look for other types of entertainment.
But the bottomeline is .. it is not bad for devs, it is not bad for me .. it is bad for YOU.
Who says its only bad for him. I know more people who think that the genre is going the wrong direction than people who think they are going in the right direction.
The mere existance of another person who agrees that its bad immediately invalidates your argument that its only bad for him..
The only MMORPG that I have seen hyped, in it's true sense, recently is SWtOR... what others have helped you come to this conclusion?
Interested players talking about the game excitedly on a forum doesn't count as 'hardcore hype' btw imo.
Huh? and what exactly was hyped, if you don't mind me asking?
hahaha... please... don't get me started on this... I wrote walls of texts in responce to this question, I'm a bit tired of explaining to diehard fans what was advertised and hyped (awesome, new sw game with great pvp and pve aspects) and what we actually got (pathetic pvp with somewhat good pve and ALOT of bugs)...
"Happiness is not a destination. It is a method of life." -------------------------------
See .. it is not that hard to admit that it is only bad for YOU. Certainly it is not bad for me. WOW is a fun game. DCUO is a fun game (and how would anyone confuse super hero action combat with WOW is beyond me). DDO is a fun game .. FOR ME.
There are plenty of fun games for me to play.
Now if you cannot find a fun game, you can always look for other types of entertainment.
But the bottomeline is .. it is not bad for devs, it is not bad for me .. it is bad for YOU.
If that's the case how come most resent MMOs is bleeding subs more than ever and a lot of people are screaming for something new.
Even if the game is fun for YOU, don't you think something is wrong with how MMOs are developed due to the resent trend?
MMOs are bleeding subs because the market is going F2P. There will be fewer and fewer subs.
No. The recent trend:
1) more action online RPG like (i.e. lobby game with co-op or pvp content) ... nothing wrong .. i like it.
2) more F2P ... no thing wrong .. i like it .. allow me to game hop more .. less commitment.
See .. it is not that hard to admit that it is only bad for YOU. Certainly it is not bad for me. WOW is a fun game. DCUO is a fun game (and how would anyone confuse super hero action combat with WOW is beyond me). DDO is a fun game .. FOR ME.
There are plenty of fun games for me to play.
Now if you cannot find a fun game, you can always look for other types of entertainment.
But the bottomeline is .. it is not bad for devs, it is not bad for me .. it is bad for YOU.
If that's the case how come most resent MMOs is bleeding subs more than ever and a lot of people are screaming for something new.
Even if the game is fun for YOU, don't you think something is wrong with how MMOs are developed due to the resent trend?
MMOs are bleeding subs because the market is going F2P. There will be fewer and fewer subs.
No. The recent trend:
1) more action online RPG like (i.e. lobby game with co-op or pvp content) ... nothing wrong .. i like it.
2) more F2P ... no thing wrong .. i like it .. allow me to game hop more .. less commitment.
What other trends do you want to discuss?
Thanks for proving my point with your statement, you really made a mark why MMO industry sucks, thanks again.
See .. it is not that hard to admit that it is only bad for YOU. Certainly it is not bad for me. WOW is a fun game. DCUO is a fun game (and how would anyone confuse super hero action combat with WOW is beyond me). DDO is a fun game .. FOR ME.
There are plenty of fun games for me to play.
Now if you cannot find a fun game, you can always look for other types of entertainment.
But the bottomeline is .. it is not bad for devs, it is not bad for me .. it is bad for YOU.
If that's the case how come most resent MMOs is bleeding subs more than ever and a lot of people are screaming for something new.
Even if the game is fun for YOU, don't you think something is wrong with how MMOs are developed due to the resent trend?
MMOs are bleeding subs because the market is going F2P. There will be fewer and fewer subs.
No. The recent trend:
1) more action online RPG like (i.e. lobby game with co-op or pvp content) ... nothing wrong .. i like it.
2) more F2P ... no thing wrong .. i like it .. allow me to game hop more .. less commitment.
What other trends do you want to discuss?
Thanks for proving my point with your statement, you really made a mark why MMO industry sucks, thanks again.
+1
I was thinking how that shows how crappy games are that you feel you need to hop around, because they cannot keep you entertained, when i read that.
People fall for hype and jump to the next game over and over again, the entire market(world) is full of delusional idiots who think games should be perfect at release and have content to match WoW that has been out for ages. The game has some bugs at release? LOL they rushed a shitty game and is trying to rip us off! Run to the next game I bet it will be perfect at release guys!1!!!
And please don't take this as me thinking game companies are the good guys either, they're just trying to maximize profit. But going for the long haul in todays MMO-market? Yeah good luck with this customer base.
Heh , it is the new thing , but as the saying goes : "Fool me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on me." . My point is that after expecting some sort of fun out of Diablo 3 , I was very dissapointed with what Blizzard delivered , so therefor Blizzard is pretty much on my black list and I won't be buying anymore of their products. I was a fool to have fallen prey to the hype of D3 but I learned my lesson. I've got more examples concerning F2P games but I'm in no mood to write a 10,000 word essay on here , so I'll leave it at that.
See .. it is not that hard to admit that it is only bad for YOU. Certainly it is not bad for me. WOW is a fun game. DCUO is a fun game (and how would anyone confuse super hero action combat with WOW is beyond me). DDO is a fun game .. FOR ME.
There are plenty of fun games for me to play.
Now if you cannot find a fun game, you can always look for other types of entertainment.
But the bottomeline is .. it is not bad for devs, it is not bad for me .. it is bad for YOU.
If that's the case how come most resent MMOs is bleeding subs more than ever and a lot of people are screaming for something new.
Even if the game is fun for YOU, don't you think something is wrong with how MMOs are developed due to the resent trend?
MMOs are bleeding subs because the market is going F2P. There will be fewer and fewer subs.
No. The recent trend:
1) more action online RPG like (i.e. lobby game with co-op or pvp content) ... nothing wrong .. i like it.
2) more F2P ... no thing wrong .. i like it .. allow me to game hop more .. less commitment.
What other trends do you want to discuss?
Thanks for proving my point with your statement, you really made a mark why MMO industry sucks, thanks again.
+1
I was thinking how that shows how crappy games are that you feel you need to hop around, because they cannot keep you entertained, when i read that.
Why do games have to be crappy for I to hop around? Dead Space is a great game .. but it is good for a week or two.
Diablo 3 is a very fun game .. but why should i not have 50 hours of fun and move on?
MMOs are no different.
Heck, the avenger movie only kept me entertained for 2.5 hours and it is AWESOME.
Length of time has nothign to do with how good the game is. It is about whether i have a good time when i am playing it.
Heh , it is the new thing , but as the saying goes : "Fool me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on me." . My point is that after expecting some sort of fun out of Diablo 3 , I was very dissapointed with what Blizzard delivered , so therefor Blizzard is pretty much on my black list and I won't be buying anymore of their products. I was a fool to have fallen prey to the hype of D3 but I learned my lesson. I've got more examples concerning F2P games but I'm in no mood to write a 10,000 word essay on here , so I'll leave it at that.
I am very happy with Diablo 3 and having a lot of fun. I will definitely look forward to Blizz next game.
I've got a lot of fun playing F2P games too .... in fact, they can't fool anyone since they are free. Most you lose is some time. If a game is not entertaining for the first 30 min .. i am out of there.
Heh , it is the new thing , but as the saying goes : "Fool me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on me." . My point is that after expecting some sort of fun out of Diablo 3 , I was very dissapointed with what Blizzard delivered , so therefor Blizzard is pretty much on my black list and I won't be buying anymore of their products. I was a fool to have fallen prey to the hype of D3 but I learned my lesson. I've got more examples concerning F2P games but I'm in no mood to write a 10,000 word essay on here , so I'll leave it at that.
I am very happy with Diablo 3 and having a lot of fun. I will definitely look forward to Blizz next game.
I've got a lot of fun playing F2P games too .... in fact, they can't fool anyone since they are free. Most you lose is some time. If a game is not entertaining for the first 30 min .. i am out of there.
From your posting history in this thread you are a so called instant gratification player, you wan't everything presented on a silver plate, so my question is this....why?
It's like taking candy from a baby, there is not challange in that and still you find it fun.
No wonder this genre is taking a real nosedive with that kind of thinking.
Heh , it is the new thing , but as the saying goes : "Fool me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on me." . My point is that after expecting some sort of fun out of Diablo 3 , I was very dissapointed with what Blizzard delivered , so therefor Blizzard is pretty much on my black list and I won't be buying anymore of their products. I was a fool to have fallen prey to the hype of D3 but I learned my lesson. I've got more examples concerning F2P games but I'm in no mood to write a 10,000 word essay on here , so I'll leave it at that.
I am very happy with Diablo 3 and having a lot of fun. I will definitely look forward to Blizz next game.
I've got a lot of fun playing F2P games too .... in fact, they can't fool anyone since they are free. Most you lose is some time. If a game is not entertaining for the first 30 min .. i am out of there.
From your posting history in this thread you are a so called instant gratification player, you wan't everything presented on a silver plate, so my question is this....why?
It's like taking candy from a baby, there is not challange in that and still you find it fun.
No wonder this genre is taking a real nosedive with that kind of thinking.
Ding Ding Ding! Now you're getting it. That is exactly the kind of thiking that is killing MMORPGs as well.
See .. it is not that hard to admit that it is only bad for YOU. Certainly it is not bad for me. WOW is a fun game. DCUO is a fun game (and how would anyone confuse super hero action combat with WOW is beyond me). DDO is a fun game .. FOR ME.
There are plenty of fun games for me to play.
Now if you cannot find a fun game, you can always look for other types of entertainment.
But the bottomeline is .. it is not bad for devs, it is not bad for me .. it is bad for YOU.
If that's the case how come most resent MMOs is bleeding subs more than ever and a lot of people are screaming for something new.
Even if the game is fun for YOU, don't you think something is wrong with how MMOs are developed due to the resent trend?
MMOs are bleeding subs because the market is going F2P. There will be fewer and fewer subs.
No. The recent trend:
1) more action online RPG like (i.e. lobby game with co-op or pvp content) ... nothing wrong .. i like it.
2) more F2P ... no thing wrong .. i like it .. allow me to game hop more .. less commitment.
What other trends do you want to discuss?
Thanks for proving my point with your statement, you really made a mark why MMO industry sucks, thanks again.
+1
I was thinking how that shows how crappy games are that you feel you need to hop around, because they cannot keep you entertained, when i read that.
Why do games have to be crappy for I to hop around? Dead Space is a great game .. but it is good for a week or two.
Diablo 3 is a very fun game .. but why should i not have 50 hours of fun and move on?
MMOs are no different.
Heck, the avenger movie only kept me entertained for 2.5 hours and it is AWESOME.
Length of time has nothign to do with how good the game is. It is about whether i have a good time when i am playing it.
IMO, MMOs are supposed to be made to keep you playing them, and for a long period of time, atleast originally, it was part of the rationale/perk/draw that made people willing to pay a monthly sub, as no other type of games for the most part charged a monthly sub on the computer. Also, paying multiple monthly subs did not happen as a majority, so people would pick one, and then play it.
I am mainly discussing MMOs also, as you are throwing in a bunch of non-MMOs now in your reply, but your original statement cited 3 mmos....Kind of a bait and switch for a discussion.
From your posting history in this thread you are a so called instant gratification player, you wan't everything presented on a silver plate, so my question is this....why?
It's like taking candy from a baby, there is not challange in that and still you find it fun.
No wonder this genre is taking a real nosedive with that kind of thinking.
Time sink != challenge.
Have you play Diablo 3 inferno mode Act 2 and beyond? If that is not a challenge, i don't know what is.
IMO, MMOs are supposed to be made to keep you playing them, and for a long period of time, atleast originally, it was part of the rationale/perk/draw that made people willing to pay a monthly sub, as no other type of games for the most part charged a monthly sub on the computer. Also, paying multiple monthly subs did not happen as a majority, so people would pick one, and then play it.
Time has changed. When there is only 1 or 2 MMOs, there is no choice but to play one (like EQ) for a long time. There is little reason to do so when there are so many.
Why is it more fun to stick to a single game for years when you can play many different MMOs? Since you want to talk about MMOs, i played LOTRO, DDO, DCUO, STO and WOW from time to time. There is no reason why i need to commit to anyone of them. If i want to play LOTRO for a week, and I am having fun, why wouldn't i?
BTW, MMOs are moving towards F2P. So sub is almost irrelevant now.
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IT is bad for me, because I find the WoW clones shallow and NOT fun...Devs were chasing the WoW dollar, as I explained, and failing for the most part...Money was not going towards mmos with more original/different ideas, while they were chasing the WoW2....Seems they learned somewhat and are now developing different things, but we had to wait 6-7 years...
I enjoy mmos more than single player games, and I didn't enjoy the last 6 years, so no fun here...Atleast not to the level I would of liked. If playing a mmo for 1-3 months is optimal and the target, then I guess it is working as intended, but I am looking for the mmo that I want to play 3-8 years....One that has good crafting, harvesting, dungeons, pve, housing, and pvp options... Most new games have like 1-2 starting areas, gone are the areas for the most part for most races...I could go on, but I have a feeling they would fall on deaf ears...Since I basically just had to repeat myself and the point of the original post was missed and the question asked again, just to be answered again....
Cost of many players are having fun? I am not interested in an old school, slow, boring (camping particularly bad) MMO. I would MUCH rather play a co-op action RPG when i can jump in and actually play an adventure.
Sure you want one. Vote with your wallet and see if it happens.
See .. it is not that hard to admit that it is only bad for YOU. Certainly it is not bad for me. WOW is a fun game. DCUO is a fun game (and how would anyone confuse super hero action combat with WOW is beyond me). DDO is a fun game .. FOR ME.
There are plenty of fun games for me to play.
Now if you cannot find a fun game, you can always look for other types of entertainment.
But the bottomeline is .. it is not bad for devs, it is not bad for me .. it is bad for YOU.
I had ZERO hype about TOR.....I played it because I had a lot of friends playing it, and to be honest...dropping the cash doesn't bother me......If you care to expose me, go look way back in my history of posts, you will find that I expected the game to be a shallow/railed game.... I did listen to one guy at BW and a beta tester that the later worlds 'opened up'.....Kept waiting for it...I would hardly consider that hyped though...I have even posted I got my money worth, since the cash didn't bother me much and I didn't have expectations...Just not worth paying a sub.
You seem to be failing here....GOTCHA...oh maybe not... I don't live in the TOR forums and hate on it though... If you enjoy it, play it... I bought the game, and if I want to comment, here and there, I will. I think the game is stuck the way it is, it isn't going to change, so those that like it are good... I think the mmo/single player aspect is flawed in it, killing the mass retention they hoped for.
I just answered your original question, and if you cannot admit that companies hype their game, as well as fans of the IP, then you need to do a hard hitting piece on yourself.
I never said it was bad for everyone, never, ever, ever, reread my post.....You like it, it's good for you, those that don't, it is bad...That is all anyone has said... I don't hate on WoW...may it live forever....Keep all its players, people learn they can't have them, and make something different.... Win/Win!
If that's the case how come most resent MMOs is bleeding subs more than ever and a lot of people are screaming for something new.
Even if the game is fun for YOU, don't you think something is wrong with how MMOs are developed due to the resent trend?
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
Because the market is saturated and the only way is down? Its not like losing subs overtime is unheard of. Its the natural way of things. Players quit when they're bored of the game and move on to the next one. Nothing special about that.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
I've stuck with one mmorpg for over the past year, resubbed for another year, and enjoy the constant content updates it recieves. A large one is coming tomorrow and I'm excited for it! I've also tested the waters of a few others, and come out fairly pleased with the ones that I felt mattered. So remember that you're just speaking for yourself, your opinions, and not the actual games nor the majority of the players.
But in answer to OP ~ I think the people who get hyped on a game and then walk away dissappointed are generally those who are searching for something very specific, and very personal to themselves. Sometimes it's just an engaging craftin system, or a lore that makes them think. Sometimes it's a race that charms them. Sometimes it's something very intangible, and difficult, like a game that makes them feel like it's their first time becoming part of an online world with thousands of other players. Some people just want their mmo virginity back.
For myself, I'm willing to at least try out any mmo thats looks fun/interesting. I know very well what I like in a game and what I don't, and often use betas/trial periods to truly determine if do want/do not want ~ so all hype does is make me aware of the game itself. It's out there, it exists, hurray. It's not a bad thing, it's just good marketing. MMOs rarely get worse after launch. Especially right after launch. It's a genre where what you buy and play expands and improves over time. (I know there's been some tragic exceptions.)
So, in my personal opinion, the main issue with hype followed by profound dissappointment to be with the people buying into it to the point where they get butthurt over a game not living up to their hopes and dreams by either having unrealistic expectations that they didn't research or test out prior to purchase/commitment, or simply not fully understanding what they really want out of an mmorpg.
Exactly, massive hype to boost sales and after that reduce staff and just mantain it as long as you can.
Prime example of this: SWTOR. But many other are doing the same, maybe not so clearly.
An honest review of SW:TOR 6/10 (Danny Wojcicki)
Who says its only bad for him. I know more people who think that the genre is going the wrong direction than people who think they are going in the right direction.
The mere existance of another person who agrees that its bad immediately invalidates your argument that its only bad for him..
hahaha... please... don't get me started on this... I wrote walls of texts in responce to this question, I'm a bit tired of explaining to diehard fans what was advertised and hyped (awesome, new sw game with great pvp and pve aspects) and what we actually got (pathetic pvp with somewhat good pve and ALOT of bugs)...
"Happiness is not a destination. It is a method of life."
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AoC, WAR, STO
MMOs are bleeding subs because the market is going F2P. There will be fewer and fewer subs.
No. The recent trend:
1) more action online RPG like (i.e. lobby game with co-op or pvp content) ... nothing wrong .. i like it.
2) more F2P ... no thing wrong .. i like it .. allow me to game hop more .. less commitment.
What other trends do you want to discuss?
Thanks for proving my point with your statement, you really made a mark why MMO industry sucks, thanks again.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
+1
I was thinking how that shows how crappy games are that you feel you need to hop around, because they cannot keep you entertained, when i read that.
People fall for hype and jump to the next game over and over again, the entire market(world) is full of delusional idiots who think games should be perfect at release and have content to match WoW that has been out for ages. The game has some bugs at release? LOL they rushed a shitty game and is trying to rip us off! Run to the next game I bet it will be perfect at release guys!1!!!
And please don't take this as me thinking game companies are the good guys either, they're just trying to maximize profit. But going for the long haul in todays MMO-market? Yeah good luck with this customer base.
Heh , it is the new thing , but as the saying goes : "Fool me once shame on you , fool me twice shame on me." . My point is that after expecting some sort of fun out of Diablo 3 , I was very dissapointed with what Blizzard delivered , so therefor Blizzard is pretty much on my black list and I won't be buying anymore of their products. I was a fool to have fallen prey to the hype of D3 but I learned my lesson. I've got more examples concerning F2P games but I'm in no mood to write a 10,000 word essay on here , so I'll leave it at that.
Why do games have to be crappy for I to hop around? Dead Space is a great game .. but it is good for a week or two.
Diablo 3 is a very fun game .. but why should i not have 50 hours of fun and move on?
MMOs are no different.
Heck, the avenger movie only kept me entertained for 2.5 hours and it is AWESOME.
Length of time has nothign to do with how good the game is. It is about whether i have a good time when i am playing it.
I am very happy with Diablo 3 and having a lot of fun. I will definitely look forward to Blizz next game.
I've got a lot of fun playing F2P games too .... in fact, they can't fool anyone since they are free. Most you lose is some time. If a game is not entertaining for the first 30 min .. i am out of there.
From your posting history in this thread you are a so called instant gratification player, you wan't everything presented on a silver plate, so my question is this....why?
It's like taking candy from a baby, there is not challange in that and still you find it fun.
No wonder this genre is taking a real nosedive with that kind of thinking.
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
Ding Ding Ding! Now you're getting it. That is exactly the kind of thiking that is killing MMORPGs as well.
IMO, MMOs are supposed to be made to keep you playing them, and for a long period of time, atleast originally, it was part of the rationale/perk/draw that made people willing to pay a monthly sub, as no other type of games for the most part charged a monthly sub on the computer. Also, paying multiple monthly subs did not happen as a majority, so people would pick one, and then play it.
I am mainly discussing MMOs also, as you are throwing in a bunch of non-MMOs now in your reply, but your original statement cited 3 mmos....Kind of a bait and switch for a discussion.
Time sink != challenge.
Have you play Diablo 3 inferno mode Act 2 and beyond? If that is not a challenge, i don't know what is.
Time has changed. When there is only 1 or 2 MMOs, there is no choice but to play one (like EQ) for a long time. There is little reason to do so when there are so many.
Why is it more fun to stick to a single game for years when you can play many different MMOs? Since you want to talk about MMOs, i played LOTRO, DDO, DCUO, STO and WOW from time to time. There is no reason why i need to commit to anyone of them. If i want to play LOTRO for a week, and I am having fun, why wouldn't i?
BTW, MMOs are moving towards F2P. So sub is almost irrelevant now.